Due to financial cut-backs, you will be expected to self-expense all office supplies, including but not limited to pencils, erasers, pens, paper, stationery, folders, staples, paper clips, brads, and photocopies. All parking will now be metered by the hour. Electricity consumption and all telephone charges will be deducted from your paycheck.
The Board of Directors at Insuricare wishes to thank you for your selfless sacrifice through this time of financial uncertainty. It is because of you, the employee, that Insuricare has recorded its highest profit in years. Remember, a successful company makes for successful employees. Every penny you save is another penny that goes in… [the rest is covered by Huph's meaty finger]
Indeed it was. Pixar is always putting that in. The Incredibles 2 was actually TOO Kino, which is why Screenslaver was changed from being the based villain he was to some angsty rich girl.
“Screenslaver interrupts this program for an important announcement. Don't bother watching the rest. Elastigirl doesn't save the day; she only postpones her defeat. And while he postpones her defeat, you eat chips and watch her invert problems that you are too lazy to deal with. Superheroes are part of a brainless desire to replace true experience with simulation. You don't talk, you watch talk shows. You don't play games, you watch game shows. Travel, relationships, risk - every meaningful experience must be packaged and delivered to you to watch at a distance, so that you can remain ever-sheltered, ever-passive, ever-ravenous consumers, who can't free themselves to rise from their couches to break a sweat, never anticipate new life. You want superheroes to protect you, and make yourselves ever more powerless in the process. Well, you tell yourselves you're being "looked after". That you're inches from being served and your rights are being upheld. So that the system can keep stealing from you, smiling at you all the while. Go ahead, send your Supers to stop me. Grab your snacks, watch your screens, and see what happens. You are no longer in control, I am.”
You mean the voice-actor, So what? He wasn't the one making the movie he wasn't the one directing or writing the script or the story. Nor does it take away from the main point.
Nathan Carter
The lesson in the first one is that some people are just better than others we live in a society that holds them back to make the losers feel better. How do you get more Randian than that?
Mason Jackson
Yeah but when you put stuff like that in a move only to have it be some hollow bullshit being said for effect and the villain is actually a bad guy for real, the message becomes "critics of capitalism are liars who just want to use you."
This shit has gotten more and more popular. Pics related. Bane was this to a T. Not a revolutionary, just trying to help some girl. The Rick and Morty episode about SOCIETY did this with the ersatz Bernie Sanders turning out to be a villain who was plotting a coup to seize power. You don't get characters like Screenslaver because the writers actually want to address these ideas. You get these characters because these ideas are too prevalent to avoid addressing them, so the writer instead gives the ideas to the villain and makes them a liar all along, so you will hopefully associate these ideas with trickery.
How is class collaboration holding back superheroes? In the Incedibles universe it was a law that was passed making superheroes illegal. The villain is portrayed as bad because he wants to use technology to make everybody super. This is textbook lolbert ideology that equality is bad and the government is the source of our problems.
Bentley Gutierrez
This, and OP's scene was about normalizing neoliberal practices, not critiquing them.
Andrew Ward
To be more clear - superheroes are basically a metaphor for unrestrained business while the law banning them is a metaphor for regulations. At the end of the movie the family decides to be super but sneaky about it, the idea being companies will find loopholes in the regulations anyway. Even the scene OP posted has Mr. Incredible already doing this a bit. The whole reason Syndrome was supposed to be bad was that he harvested/researched superhero powers so he could distribute them to the people, which is an extremely obvious metaphor for seizing the means of production.
Ultimately his undoing is that he was being dishonest and his lie got out of hand (his robot gets off the leash and he cant's stop it outside of a scripted fight). These kinds of morality tales always resort to using dishonesty or hypocrisy as the problem with the villain, to discredit their ideas, rather than actually examining what (if anything) is wrong with them. Shit, sometimes they don't even address it. Look at Infinity War. 3 hour movie and nobody submits any of the many basic criticisms for Thanos' plan of wiping out half the universe.
Nicholas Richardson
Why tf didn't Thanos just give every single species in the universe condoms or expand the universe or some shit
Levi Moore
Because he was fixated on his idea and wanted to prove himself right instead of actually help anyone. Easily could have gone with that angle but didn't even do that.
that scene could have been literal nazi propaganda
Ryan Wilson
Also, this scene is fascist as fuck >"Buh buh buh aren't we, a health insurance company, supposed to help people???"
Isaiah Howard
this is why I boycott films that don't have white male leads. easily malleable fucks get their opinions about race shaped too easily.
even in a hilarious scene with lines like "WHAT ABOUT OUR STOCKHOLDERS? WHO'S HELPING THEM OUT?" people like you just side with whatever they can racially self insert as
Actually if anything, The Incredibles is Edmund Burke era reaction, Syndrome commercializing supers is a revolutionary bourgeois action while the rest of the supers just sort of have it and want to keep being ultra special just for themselves.
Caleb Brown
Yeah, the whole idea behind this scene in the larger context is that because superheroes aren't allowed, ( ( ( weak ) ) ) people like that guy get into positions of authority and make society suck. It's not capitalism that makes the insurance company evil, but shitty middle managers. The deal with attacking the boss instead of attacking the mugger is that the big aryan superman has BIG DICK ENERGY and if he's not allowed to pummel da bad guy, he will redirect that violence toward the weak boss. The government pays for the damage and the only punishment is that Mr. Incredible feels bad that his pal in the government is beleaguered. If only we lived in a world where people were allowed to be violent according to their impulses, right? Then we wouldn't have weak people in authority and da bad guys would get beat up.
Syndrome being bourgeois is a product of the writers being unable to imagine a genuine revolutionary IMO.
Bentley Nguyen
why would a fucking mutt like you want movies to have white male leads
So how was the sequel? i heard just like Finding Dory it is just an uninspired cash grab.
Tyler Flores
yeah it was not good, the ass was good though
Angel Nguyen
I don't care that he is blonde, I'm pointing out how ridiculously fitting the scene is with literal propaganda. This isn't /r/socialism. You're a retard.
Grayson Powell
Okay, I'm sorry for being mean. I thought you were dismissing the entire movie based on appearances
Brayden Watson
I never understood why people claim that movies by Brad Bird or, for that matter, Zack Snyder, have objectivist themes. No matter what views these men may personally hold, there's nothing randian about their movies.
Rand completely denies that such a thing as personal responsibility before others exists. As far as she was concerned, the only responsibility someone has is the resonsibility towards oneself. That's not at all what comes through in a movie like Incredible. Or, you know, Man of Steel of Batman v Superman.
A Randian superhero is an oxymoron. Because a character like that, could, at best, be a mercenary who works for whoever offers him the greatest personal benefit. But superheros, by definition, have to act selflessly and use their power for the benefit of society as a whole by protecting its people. This wouldn't be possible within a philosophical framework that condemns selfless actions on principle.
Benjamin Adams
The problem with your analysis is that Objectivists are fucking stupid and will cherrypick whatever they like from Rand. See: Christian Objectivists.
Kevin Morales
The "bad guys" in Air Force One were definitely true revolutionaries. Especially with their master plan to free General Radek who kept Kazakhstan socialist and held on to the nukes there while the rest of the Union fell.
The major subtext of The Incredibles is that Mr. Incredible wants to be a superhero because he likes it, and he will give in to his urges even if it's not for the greater good or whatever. "That man getting mugged needs help" is just an excuse. He doesn't want to help anybody. He wants to beat up the "bad guys." When the mugger leaves, Mr. Incredible laments "he got away" without any further thought for the mugged man who still needs help. When denied the opportunity to thug out on a mugger, he does it to the nearest "bad guy" he can find instead, even though it accomplishes nothing and ends up costing lots of "taxpayers' dollars." The movie is Randian not in the sense that it depicts a Randian utopia, but hat it depicts Randian characters who specifically don't live in a Randian utopia and have to conform to some version of the "real world."
This post gave me cancer.
Thomas White
the creators denied that the film is about this, and incidentally, the voice actor for the insurance boss is actually a (self-described) socialist
Daniel Lopez
they are full of shit. Brad Bird says this about every movie he makes even though it plainly has a lot of political content.
Justin Wilson
I know nobody cares because ThE AuThOr Is DeAD but I remember the writer for that movie always rejected the Ayn Rand interpretation.
Ethan Cooper
Yeah, and nazis will make all sorts of arguments while claiming they aren't trying to convince you of nazism. This isn't even death of the author. It's "I think the author is a lying sack of shit and/or doesn't understand his own belief system and how he expresses it."
Juan Brown
this one of the tactics of fascism, liberalism, ancapism, etc is actually to try and claim that they are being "apolitical"
Jose Perez
I'm glad that recently people have been using the spurdo flag for what it should be used for: Making incredibly retarded posts.
Dylan Edwards
Is this some kind of Mullenesque bit?
Matthew Perez
That's the message but I think they sort of end up botching it. Just because they defeat him doesn't mean his idea of making everyone super is not possible. After all his technology he used on himself still works and there is no reason why it couldn't be used by more people.
Josiah Foster
But it does according to the internal logic of the movie and of lolbert ideology. The "communist" trying to "distribute" power to the people got rekt and BTFO by the supers in a "free" competition. This to lolberts is proof that their ideology is better.
