Reminder that liberals have always been the primary reactionary force leftists have to deal with, and we need to drop all illusions we have about them.
This shit needs to die. There's always been this long standing belief that somehow liberals are on the same spectrum as leftists, that if we just vote for a capitalist, it will somehow bring the means of production into the hands of the workers, end imperialism, and so on. Except in reality they're on the capitalist spectrum, just with idpol characteristics.The historical truth confirms this; we saw with obama how he disabled and dismantled the anti war movement, accelerated mass incarceration, accelerated and expanded the wars in the middle east, and literally financially enslaved generations with the bank bail out. Now we're seeing this shit again; every liberal, with only a couple weeks of corporate propaganda, is now fervently supporting imperialism in Venezuela. How in the fuck can you trust these pieces of shit?
So bottom line is we need to stop tolerating these fuckers in orgs, online and in person. They're not "one of us" and their "support" on any issue should be considered irrelevant. They should be viewed as dangerous viruses to be purged.
Sorry Zig Forums, until the material conditions are ripe for communism and global warming forces the proletariat to unite I will continue to support environmental protection and protections for minorities and the LGBT community over voting for walls and immigration bans.
Owen Moore
You're speaking to the choir here. Reminder though that pretty much everyone in the US government is a liberal, and that conservative liberals are still very much liberals.
I want to add to OP's rant that w*Sternoid w*Sternoids (those from the w*St coast) are the most dangerous. They think that by buying an electric vehicle and starcucks coffee they somehow save the planet. These fags will be purged before any other group of people. Pic very much related
I wish I was. You still see tons of threads on jimmy dore and Bernie, even though they cuck out at the slightest amount of pressure. There is also not a single org that actively refuses liberals from participating and infecting their work.
Tyler Gomez
haha forgot to spoil it, sorry
Luke Butler
Don't forget urban middle aged buddhists. Literally just "enlightened" narcissists.
Robert Smith
OP is implying that right wingers and liberals should be viewed as equals in the eyes of leftists because they both prop up the capitalist mode of production. Sorry for being a "dangerous virus" in need of "purging" because I don't want people like Trump in control of the world.
Read Marx.
Jaxson Nelson
What did he mean by this?
Liam Sanchez
is that Posadas?
Adam Baker
Literally what in the FUCK did he mean by this?
Andrew Peterson
Idiot. It's not about affirmative action, it's about protecting people from discrimination and preventing the right-wing from scapegoating the already marginalized for the effects of capitalism. I bet you voted for Trump.
There it is. Go to >>>Zig Forums and shill for AFD and Trump because at least they are "anti-war" in name then, you would really fit right in.
Benjamin Roberts
I don't think you'll find anyone you thinks Bernie is anything else then a SocDem, and barely a SocDem at that compared to the rest of the world. At the very worst you'll get some people who say he should be pragmatically supported just to break up the political hegemony of the US government and maybe insert some class based discourse into the conversation other actual leftists can take advantage of. And even that is followed by people rightfully shitting on him for prior actions in support of US imperialism and his denouncement of actual leftist movements. For Dore though, people get excited about him because for the past few years he has gotten dangerously close to the left and has gone as far as to call out Bernie for being a sellout for not being left enough. Hell, he even called the US's intervention and "aid" in Venezuela illegitimate and imperialistic, something you'll rarely ever hear from liberals or SocDems in the US. He's mostly a meme though, don't take it too seriously.
People like Trump were already in control of the world you retard, you just notice it now because its being rubbed in your face.
Camatte
Xavier Lee
I don't recall Obama rescinding environmental protections or promoting race hatred. Is there a difference between Hitler and Obama in your eyes? Both are imperialist capitalists, which seems to be the only metric by which you judge leaders.
Andrew Campbell
Literally FUCK OFF with your corporate media tier mindset you fucking liberal.
Angel Martin
Bernie blames the effects of capitalism on big business and lobbying. Trump blames it on immigrants. You are an absolute buffoon.
Bentley Martin
Is this peak liberalism?
Hunter Peterson
First, a bunch of people voted for Trump here for "accelerationist" reasons. It was literally the third most popular option, right behind not voting at all and throwing your vote to a third party. Second, the user who said was making the point that you would vote for someone who would engage in similar actions to Trump behind the scenes, just as long as that person didn't make it obvious to you.
Oh he did, just in other countries mostly. And I make that point and focus on imperialism because, you know, part of my focus is on the ==INTERNATIONAL PROLETARIAT== of the world. You know, the thing that is part of me being a Marxist.
not inherently liberal not inherently liberal What are you a fascist? scottlively.net/tps/ u gay
Levi Hall
The greentext strawman is getting old. You're not even responding to me in good faith. According to your logic, an administration that can implement a single payer healthcare system in America is indistinguishable from one that spreads race hate propaganda.
I think both you and are illiterate. marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch07.htm Let me highlight this: The singular greatest leftist revolutionary in history accurately identifies the issue that projects onto me This is in fact precisely what you are saying- unless the capitalist system is totally overturned I have no reason to support candidates that are trying to work within the capitalist framework for the benefit of the oppressed. Lenin titled his work aptly, you do indeed have an infantile disorder.
Samuel Ward
But Obama spread race hate propaganda.
Carson Gray
Marx and Lenin were talking about getting actual communists into power and not neo-liberal capitalists.
Parker Collins
lel, did you read anything past the title?
Nathan Williams
Source?
Not through democratic means.
The entire work. Would you care to read the chapter I posted? Nice sage btw, I have been owned.
Bentley Johnson
Shit man, I don't know, him standing in front of a camera telling America a 6'2 criminal could have been his son and the rise of idpol that has decisively split relations among the races and set much of america against the working class whites as a scapegoat for the ills passed down by porky is good evidence. Basically his entire two terms are your source for race hate propaganda.
Adam King
He's talking about communists participating in elections, and voting communists into power, not liberals. "Parliamentarianism" is a position on whether a communist party should participate in elections, and he's criticizing communist parties that refuse to participate in elections as candidates; he is not advocating participation in elections by voting for liberals. "Utilise parliamentary elections and the parliamentary rostrum in a revolutionary and communist manner" doesn't mean "vote for liberals."
You sound like a huge moron, although I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point.
Camden Gray
Youre still one of those loaf brains that calls anyone you dont like a liberal.
Ian Jackson
Climate change can never be reversed unless we achieve socialism
Julian Phillips
It's not complicated.
John Gutierrez
You guys could win this war easily if you stopped talking such retarded nonsense. Useless.
Gabriel Peterson
lol this is a literal religion. but keep waiting, and waiting. Do you have a backup plan?
Jaxon Gutierrez
the backup plan is to arrange the absolute chaos that will ensue into class conciousness
Adam Cook
this is what a modern education looks like
Grayson Campbell
...
Eli Jones
strawmanning without greentext is still strawmanning
Xavier Morris
please help a brother out. how can we help this along?
Daniel Moore
you see some crazy nigga running down the street, absolutely hopeless, you smack him and scream right in his face the entirety of the communist manifesto. done, you've done it, you turned chaos into class conciousness.
Jeremiah Robinson
The problem is not some good vs evil binary you are attempting to postulate here between the supposed “real” Left and Liberals / Conservatives. So you’re going to deny working with people simply because they self-identify as a useless marker in the U.S. which vaguely means some progressive attitudes. But by doing so, you are alienating yourself from the working-class by not organzining around the Workers as a CLASS, but by organizing around the fringe views of “communists” who typically come from upper-class educated backgrounds anyway (and inb4 someone says “well what about the Soviet Union, they weren’t upper-class” - we aren’t talking about an agrarian third world country, we are talking about the United States here). So you are merely replicating the same identity politics that leftypol has strived to go against by stating that it is in fact liberals! not the capitalist system that is in fact the main problem, and thus further postulating that we should organize not the working class as a class, but only those individuals who do happen to identity as “communist”. Perhaps you meant liberal capitalists or liberal politicians, but from your picture of Stalin and the rhetoric you use, you will only further alienate yourself from any actual working people.
Cameron Hall
While this is true, ive found them easier to sway than reactionaries.
Isaac Myers
*far right reactionaries
Benjamin Gutierrez
lmfao liberals are not working class they, like you, are middle-class bourgeois vegan lifestyelists who will happily turn fascist when a true revolution comes. kill yourself libtard.
Brody Williams
Mm, nice lack of reading comprehension.
John Sullivan
Not working with liberals will in fact solidify ties with, not alienate, the working class. The working class is tired of WOKE libtards making life shittier and shittier for them but virtue signaling like pic related.
Socialism only works if you gas the kikes and the faggots beforehand read My Struggle
Samuel Watson
But Hitler was a faggot, or at least associated with them.
Christian Hernandez
Alright with that I completely agree. But I think to make your argument stronger you need to state that you are against working with petty-bourgeois, and or middle / upper-class liberals. Cause just denying “liberal” as a category itself could seal you off from more urban workers who would consider themselves on some spectrum of “liberal” when in reality their material conditions and aspirations put them more firmly on the left then even the most “radical” student elite.
Leo Rogers
Agreed. Every proletariat of every faction (liberal/conservative/libertarian/centrist) needs to develop a strong class consciousness. Leftist outreach may not solve the capital problem, but it is a step in the right direction. Besides, it's the liberal politicians and MSM which are green lighting fascist and imperialist policies. These supposed bulwarks of progress are quick to strengthen the right wing and weaken themselves in order to protect the plutocrats global capital. Make no mistake, this aggression against Venezuela is meant to create an anti-leftist narrative. All this Venezuela propaganda will be repeatedly regurgitated by Charlie Kirk and every Fox News junky. They will meticulously reference the current events occuring in Venezuela to invoke militaristic patriotism amongst their followers and to mute (or even persecute) leftists. The entire narrative about Venezuela sounds like an obvious lie. An invasion of Venezuela will be predicated on weaker reasoning than the Iraq war. Yet the liberal politicians and media support this, because given a choice between leftism and fascism they will always choose fascism. This is based on self-interest. It's really fucking disappointing to witness it though. Especially when you see "reputable" liberal papers printing obvious and blatant lies about Maduro such as refusing food and medical deliveries… Or starving the Venezuelan citizens to the point of cannibalism.
