Vietnam

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

I never see people talking about vietnam here.
I have almost no idea how the country is at the time and how the economy and poilitcs are run.
They seem to be somewhat like china but im not sure.

So tell me Zig Forums how revisionist is the communist party of vietnam?
Vietnam general?

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zigforums.com/thread/2823860/right-politics).
nsarchive.gwu.edu/search/node/Khmer Rouge
e-ir.info/2016/05/24/an-analysis-of-u-s-policy-towards-cambodia-between-1969-1973/

Ryan Jackson
Ryan Jackson

So tell me Zig Forums how revisionist is the communist party of vietnam?

They are Fascists with Red Paint.
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Cameron Harris
Cameron Harris

a third-world capitalist shithole

they're not even "state-capitalist" considering their public sector is proportionally far smaller than china's

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Jonathan Torres
Jonathan Torres

Belarus that high
Truly /ourguys/

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

A better question would be what's the state of Laos? It's even more irrelevant than Vietnam.

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Mason Foster
Mason Foster

they've never claimed to have actually built socialism and have a market-oriented economy. they are still socialist in the sense that they run by a communist party with the goal to reach socialism, but would certainly be considered "revisionist" by MLMs and Hoxhaists.

Camden Reed
Camden Reed

In China a full 100% of employees were employed in the public sector by 1978, the year the Chinese economic reform was launched, after which the rates dropped to 56.4% in 1995, and to 32.8% in 2003.
Dengists will defend this

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

Only deputy to vote against the independence of Belarus from the Soviet Union.
Despite his current actions, you have to admit that he's already better then most leaders.

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Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

Yeah well every single country on earth is revisionist according to them. They can lick my balls. Get me real deep.

Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

Vietnam isn’t irrelevant it’s a strong development center of SEA.

Xavier Parker
Xavier Parker

Basically just China but with less information control. The people can pretty much do research on any kind of socialism from Stalinism, Maoism, Anarchism to classical Marxism (the only banned socialist books are from Cockshot) rather than being forced to suck Xi and Deng off all day like in China. Too bad most folks are apathetic toward further building socialism and just want to forever live in the status quo.
Quoting Wikipedia
Yikes.
Laos with its position are able to fully control water flow of the Mekong delta region. This is why both China and Vietnam wants to invest so much in Laotian Hydroelectric projects.

Jack Howard
Jack Howard

Dengoids will defend anything coming out of Xi’s mouth as the next evolution of Communism. Fuck these people even fucking use Mutt Republicans rhetoric to defend China’s shitty healthcare system, they’re beyond blind.

Austin Wright
Austin Wright

Well to be fair Vietnam is revisionist, just with less imperialist ambitions than China.
< Incoming Pothead claiming Vietnam is somehow imerialist.

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

the only banned socialist books are from Cockshot
???

Cameron Mitchell
Cameron Mitchell

People who think providing healthcare is just a matter of balancing the books are retarded.

Owen Peterson
Owen Peterson

They banned his books because his solutions are so simple and they know with electronics communism could be built in days.
t. Knows nothing about Vietnam

Hudson Phillips
Hudson Phillips

The issue with healthcare in China is a lack of qualified doctors and specialists, a lack of facilities, mass migration from rural provinces to cities, etc. If you have a residency in an urban center you actually get healthcare from the city but there still aren’t enough specialist. This is stuff that takes decades of development. It’s not a fully developed country, and you can’t treat it like it has the same simple healthcare solutions as one I.e. just transfer the insurer from a private to state body.

Matthew Clark
Matthew Clark

Damn I am getting mad at your dumbass. China is a developing country you stupid fucker. It’s not that it’s too big, it’s that it’s too poor and undeveloped to be able to wave a magic wand and give everyone government insured healthcare. The capacity is not there.

Jordan Richardson
Jordan Richardson

China has a higher GDP per capita than Cuba, so why can’t they provide better healthcare than Cuba?

Samuel Rivera
Samuel Rivera

Because Cuba has one of the highest number of doctors per capita in the world and has a fully developed their healthcare sector. China doesn’t have that and won’t for 15+ years. GDP is not a measure of development it’s a measure of yearly economic production.

Anthony Baker
Anthony Baker

the only banned socialist books are from Cockshot
Sounds like you're pulling this from your ass. In 2017, Cockshott attended a conference organized by the Vietnam Academy of Social Sciences (a government organization) and the German WARP group: paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2017/09/30/reading-material-after-hanoi-conference/

Isaiah Garcia
Isaiah Garcia

What he writes there doesn't sound to good. They seem to view Marxism as an ideology to guide Vietnamese nationalism rather than an universal science.

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

China doesn’t have that and won’t for 15+ years.
And why are they not developing it? Why are they even allowing billionaires to exist (as leading members of the “communist” party no less) while people go without healthcare?

Luis Sullivan
Luis Sullivan

And why are they not developing it?
they literally are.

William Rogers
William Rogers

They let Thai Government Agents to sneak into their country, and kill several MLs who hided there. You know Thai Investors with Thai Establishment Back have some power here. For this reason Laos is corrupted to me.

Landon Foster
Landon Foster

Also Everything is expensive, and has to import from outside while income is fairy low.

Brody Long
Brody Long

282656
In defence of China, it does. Universal healthcare by 2020, baby.

Brandon Walker
Brandon Walker

His books are banned, not the guy himself.
Pretty much this. Vietnam and it’s people are weirdly very nationalistic for a socialist nation. But then again most of the sentiments of nationalism in Vietnam are facing inward since Vietnam’s history is just constant warfare to keep its independence.

Landon Butler
Landon Butler

They suck American cock thus their socialist credentials are highly suspect.

Daniel Collins
Daniel Collins

Does anyone know the basis for Vietnam's alliance with the USSR during the Sino-Soviet split? China ended up invading Vietnam after supporting it for years and I doubt it was over a vulgarization of the dialectic or whatever bullshit they came up with.

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

socialism is when you have healthcare
Liberals detected

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

So uncommodified health care isn't a core demand of socialism?

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

it was mainly because China had supported Pol Pot and Vietnam was afraid of Chinese control in Southeast Asia.

Aiden Robinson
Aiden Robinson

You may have just summoned that Pol Pot posting user that thinks the Vietnamese are genetically the Khmer peoples enemy and doesn't understand how federations work (i.e a degree of autonomy), and on top of all that thinks everybody acting the same would be fun

Josiah Baker
Josiah Baker

Was there actually a planned Indochinese federation?

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

This thread is trash. Remember when Vietnam did to one of the most advanced communist nations (not one of, in fact, but THE) through its treachery in the year 1979, a year of infamy. Look at Vietnam now, a revisionist state that has reverted to capitalism. There are two roads to socialism – the collectivistic and the individualistic. The latter has lead to a reversion to capitalism or bureaucratic deformation every single time. The Vietnamese now rue the day they otherthrew Pol Pot. They deserve capitalism.
It was a plot for Vietnamese domination, plain and simple. Read the Black Paper. These were machinations of historical proportions. Federation does not necessarily equal true autonomy. It would be Vietnamese despotism. DK blazed its path nearly alone, striving for autarky. Communism was achieved in a single stroke and single-handedly.

Camden Sanders
Camden Sanders

Socialism by definition strives to meet all the basic needs of society and to enhance human dignity. Instead of doing that China is allowing billionaires to suck the workers dry.

Luis Cox
Luis Cox

And here comes the Pothead coming to defend his beloved fascist. I’m sure Pol Pot is such a communist thinker when he announced remaking Kampuchea Krom - a gayer and shittier version of Lebensraum and restore Khmer glory which cannot be done without the same imperialism you condemned Vietnam for. That’s not to mention Pot’s affinities for racial cleansing, monarchist cultural values or his stupid boner for Angkor’s reactionary culture.

And someway somehow your demented /pol/yp brain will think that’s the next step toward communism.

Jonathan Martinez
Jonathan Martinez

And here comes the Pothead coming to defend his beloved fascist.
“Pothead” kek. I personally like “Pol Pautist” better but I’m glad anons are bothered enough by postings of Truth to recognize my presence. Pol Pot was not a fascist in the slightest if you research what fascism actually is. Fascism is traditionally anti-class struggle, backed by capitalists and wholly anti-egalitarianism. Democratic Kampuchea was committed to egalitarian principles (the collectivistic path to socialism), equality between the sexes and vehemently anti-capitalism, rightfully recognizing the spread of capitalistic cancer within Kampuchea and quickly excising it.
I’m sure Pol Pot is such a communist thinker when he announced remaking Kampuchea Krom - a gayer and shittier version of Lebensraum
You do not even know your facts. Kampuchea Krom is a term used to refer to ethnic Khmer living within Vietnam. Look it up.
And someway somehow your demented /pol/yp brain will think that’s the next step toward communism.
I observe the situation in Kampuchea between 1975 and 1979 and see communism having fully blossomed. 95-97% percent of the population was organized within collective farms, within these farms distribution was according to need; likewise money was abolished along with markets, religions and reactionary culture were systematically uprooted and classes were abolished shortly after the resettlement of urbanites. Added bonuses to the Kampuchean path were collective dining, identical clothes and various methods to dissolve the nuclear family. All of this helped dissolve bourgeois individualist norms

Dylan Phillips
Dylan Phillips

It maintains a Marxist goverment with a State-Capitalist economy for the sake of development comparable to the NEP

Laos
See above

Nolan Gonzalez
Nolan Gonzalez

killing people who wear glasses is true communism

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Lincoln Bell
Lincoln Bell

One can only hope since The country I live in is going full cancer.

Henry Anderson
Henry Anderson

not a pol potist but the glasses thing is a total meme.

Liam Robinson
Liam Robinson

95-97% percent of the population was organized within collective farms,
Is this that thing where you defend Pol Pot by conflating primitive communism and advanced communism as if they were the same thing?

Jack Thomas
Jack Thomas

Not as much as the gusanos do

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Aiden Evans
Aiden Evans

Someone should troll them with Uncle Ho pics.

Xavier Robinson
Xavier Robinson

youtu.be/pjIHe5VSHc4

Camden Reyes
Camden Reyes

Added bonuses to the Kampuchean path were collective dining, identical clothes and various methods to dissolve the nuclear family. All of this helped dissolve bourgeois individualist norms
Literally barracks communism, explicitly denounced by Marx, who Pol Pot admitted he was too much of a brainlet to understand. I'd rather live under capitalism tbh.

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Asher Kelly
Asher Kelly

Marx’s criticism of so-called “barracks communism” was hardly a “denunciation” or even a good criticism. In talking about Nechayev’s plan for the coming society he merely says something to the effect of (paraphrasing)
what wonderful barracks communism!
Of course, Marx is sarcastic here, but this is not an argument. In all of Marx’s “criticisms” of Bakunin and Nechayev it is easy to see him flail in abject rage and non-arguments. Barracks communism, as was proven by Pol Pot in 1975-1979 and likewise in China in The Great Leap Forward, has been shown time and time again to be the ONLY way to communism. By leaps and bounds through this method the proletariat climbs the mountain towards communism, surmounting all obstacles in its path. Keep on with your impotent, bourgeois individualistic communism.

Soon I will document these truths in video form, stay tuned

Nicholas Walker
Nicholas Walker

Barracks communism, as was proven by Pol Pot in 1975-1979 and likewise in China in The Great Leap Forward, has been shown time and time again to be the ONLY way to communism.
Dude the only way to communism is to be soulless bugmen lmao
t. CIA. That's probably why you like Pol Pot so much too, since he was the CIA's most important asset in Southeast Asia.

Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

Thailand?

Ayden Cox
Ayden Cox

muh CIA
Every time, zero proof. You are completely plagued by bourgeois ideology. THEY want you to think that Democratic Kampuchea was not successful, they want you to believe in genocide hoaxes and unneccessary violence. Heaven appeared on earth for 4 straight years and the bourgeoisie was terrified.

Blake Martin
Blake Martin

comperable to the NEP
the NEP wasn't for 40 years and counting, you're excusing blatant revisionism.

Adrian Sanders
Adrian Sanders

Should've built an army capable of fighting the Vietnamese in instead of waiting for Deng's help

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

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Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

my man loves his Atlanta teams

Julian Turner
Julian Turner

Yep, This election and after this election are going to be bomb.

Jace Parker
Jace Parker

(Ho Chi Minh) and the communist party ruled for 50 years.
Ho didn't even live long enough to see the country reunified. Why do these people wave the flag of a faux-democratic puppet state that was as brutal as they claim the communists were? why is the u.s military never blamed for any of the death or poisoning of the landscape, or abject poverty and authoritarianism it created in the south? you never hear of old south korean Immigrants who are nostalgic for japanese colonial rule, or talk how much fun it was to grow up under any of the various post-war u.s backed dictators. I doubt anyone in the congo is begging for belgian rule over the country to return. Also, I've heard that the gusanos who wave the south vietnamese flag are sometimes mocked as "three-sticks" in the old country. Is there any truth to this?

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

*tomahawk chop intensifies*

Nathaniel Torres
Nathaniel Torres

I am not Vietnamese, so I am not sure

John Clark
John Clark

But that’s not why Potfag love his meme country though. He admitted himself to be a /pol/yp before coming full circle and started worshiping the KM (zigforums.com/thread/2823860/right-politics). And really, what’s not to love about Democratic Kampuchea when you’re a /pol/yp?
black uniforms?
Check!
Anti-intellectualism?
Check!
Dumb as shit racial theory?
Check!
Terrible economic policies that would make the country collapsed upon itself without aid or imperialism?
Check!
Thinly-veiled racism and ethnic cleansing plans disguised as something else?
Check!
We wuz kangs n’ shitz?
Check!
Muh traditional values?
Check!

Samuel Wilson
Samuel Wilson

Developing the national healthcare infrastructure is part of the current 5 year plan.

Andrew Miller
Andrew Miller

I sourced you while having this argument before but here's some more shit
Go to the conclusion and read the rest
tps://www.e-ir.info/2016/05/24/an-analysis-of-u-s-policy-towards-cambodia-between-1969-1973/
Fourth links description and the rest of the article
nsarchive.gwu.edu/search/node/Khmer Rouge

Don't fucking hit me with that shit sayings it's by the feds. Why would you want the American people to trust you less exactly? That is unless it'd get out anyways right and this is seeming benevolent and truthful?
I really wonder about some things like this.

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Wyatt Perez
Wyatt Perez

e-ir.info/2016/05/24/an-analysis-of-u-s-policy-towards-cambodia-between-1969-1973/
Fixed first link

Caleb Bennett
Caleb Bennett

Someone on my commute has one of those flags hanging outside a building. This city has tons of vietnamese people, I think vietnamese is barely surpassed by Spanish in my area. (Which has many immigrants due to a very cheap airport and much cheaper rent than the cities with other airports in the region).

Pisses me off something fierce