/leftybritpol/ - Here is how Remain can still win...

John Jackson
John Jackson

It's happening?!?! Probably not though.

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Jackson Foster
Jackson Foster

Holy shit man we burn through threads.

Jayden Long
Jayden Long

I accidentally made two because thread creation is being buggy as shit.

Jose Perez
Jose Perez

/leftybritpol/ is the only reason i still come on here tbh
that and the gilet jaunes thread more recently

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

Neil Lennon is going back to celtic which means maximum glasgow sectarian shithousery. Last time he was their he got parcel bombs sent to his door.

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Xavier Green
Xavier Green

yeah lads. safety first.

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

Best fucking take I've seen so far and it's from a Norner…

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Leo White
Leo White

KEK
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How do brits do this level of bantz

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Josiah Davis
Josiah Davis

Well the guy's a catholic from Norn so…

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

I hope we get to execute all ten of them too

Jack Allen
Jack Allen

The best kind of Brit.

Dominic Fisher
Dominic Fisher

Shit on Guardian all you want, but the readers are quite based

theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/24/average-brits-dont-want-policy-free-politicians-of-the-independent-group

James Cruz
James Cruz

Organ donor law named after Max and Keira set to pass in England
Under the new system, which comes into effect next year, consent will be presumed unless people have opted out.
bbc.co.uk/news/health-47359682

Labour is now not only influencing Tory manifestos but actually getting parts of their manifesto put into place while out of government.

Easton Adams
Easton Adams

The melding between our timeline and the one where Corbyn is PM continues.

Caleb Price
Caleb Price

Has anyone seen a Remainer fanatic suggest we should use the Euro after we rejoin, or is that too laughable even for them?

Ethan Hill
Ethan Hill

Well something like 30% of the country support joining the Euro so…

Asher Gutierrez
Asher Gutierrez

cite me a poll user, amazed its that high after Greece got buttfucked

Asher Parker
Asher Parker

nvm, I found this but still wtf

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Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

I remember seeing it a bit ago, all i can find is this poll from 2007. Lemme look some more, might be closer to 20% but legit there are a load of people that want us to use it.

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Austin Moore
Austin Moore

Found this too from 2018.

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Xavier Bell
Xavier Bell

OK that and my own digging persuade me theres support but I still see it as a weapon against FBPE cunts. Make them say 'Euro pls!!' then hang Greece & Italy on them

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

Tbh I'm fuming at what a disastrous Brexit policy Labour have ended up with. It was essentially foisted on Corbyn at last year's conference so I don't blame him, but it's just so predictable what will happen if the second referendum actually goes through - Labour will be seen to have sabotaged Brexit from the start. How can they possibly justify having Remain on the ballot (an option which was explicitly rejected in 2016) but not no-deal (the most popular Brexit option)? The people voted against EU membership in 2016 but the terms of the debate will have actually moved in the opposite direction!

"Our (Left?) Brexit
Labour's proposed Brexit is not a left-Brexit in any way. It would be Brexit in name only, even if there was a chance of the EU accepting it which there isn't.

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Jeremiah Ramirez
Jeremiah Ramirez

Just hope it doesn't pass, it's pointless assessing the situation until after the motion has been voted on as one just like it failed in January already.

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

no-deal (the most popular Brexit option)?
Are all the Leavers united in this? But thats absolutely retarded.

Labour's proposed Brexit is not a left-Brexit in any way. It would be Brexit in name only,
So what is a left-Brexit? Wouldn't a soft Brexit please both Leavers and Remainers?

Gabriel Turner
Gabriel Turner

No deal isn't the most popular brexit option: fucking remaining is.
Also it appears that if a Second Referendum will fail in parliament anyways.

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Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

So what is a left-Brexit?
Presumably anything that removes the state aid and nationalisation rules (they'll only be removed in no deal).
Wouldn't a soft Brexit please both Leavers and Remainers?
No? Have you just arrived in the UK today?

Xavier Baker
Xavier Baker

How is Remain a Brexit option? I clearly meant that it's more popular than May's deal.

Cameron Long
Cameron Long

And the current Labour Brexit won't have that? Tbh it would be dope to see Corbyn nationalize everything, gets stopped by EU and then transfer that impotence to justify leaving EU to nationalize shit

No? Have you just arrived in the UK today?
Nah I am an outsider, I just thought that Remainers and Leavers would be able to compromise.

Jason Wright
Jason Wright

*that no-deal is the most popular form of Brexit

Hudson Lee
Hudson Lee

It won't pass parliament so don't get yourself worked up about it.
As long as Labour is in opposition Corbyn can promise whatever tbh, there's no harm in him appeasing the europhile libs and showing everyone how he's totally fighting for what they want. As long as he makes no commitments to take us back into the eu once we're out, which he obviously wont, he can say whatever is politically advantageous, it won't pass through parliament and when we leave in a month or three months or whatever it won't matter anymore.

Anthony Harris
Anthony Harris

And the current Labour Brexit won't have that?
It won't. I think it's just something Labour are doing to make the Tories mad and make them look useless. You can file a good amount of Labour activity under outright trolling.
I just thought that Remainers and Leavers would be able to compromise.
Nah, both sides have turned into swivel eyed obsessive tribalists for the most part solely focussed on owning the other team.

Leo Scott
Leo Scott

when we leave in a month or three months or whatever
I'm not too sure about that. May's deal has a huge majority to overturn and almost everyone in the Commons would baulk at no-deal. We could easily see the Tories seizing on a referendum as the only way out.

Ryder Torres
Ryder Torres

We could easily see the Tories seizing on a referendum as the only way out.
Then the tories will be the one's doing it and earning the ire of the country. No tories will vote for a labour amendment, especially not one considering a second referendum of any sort. After this labour proposal is defeated in the commons if May does get an extension of article 50 and then proposes a second referendum herself and the tories get behind it they'll be the traitors as well as looking utterly retarded.
Hell maybe this second referendum if no Labour deal proposal being announced just as it comes to light that May might cave and extend article 50 is just a way to cuck the tories by preempting their own timing of endorsing a second referendum and make them vote against it.

Juan Smith
Juan Smith

Then the tories will be the one's doing it
The new Labour policy doesn't only apply if it's Labour that proposes the motion in Parliament. The terms of any second referendum would have to be agreed on by both parties, given the parliamentary arithmetic.

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

twitter.com/TimSuttonC/status/1100325101600415745

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

Getting right sick of this season 2 of a political drama shit

CIVIL WAR 2 WHEN

Samuel Cook
Samuel Cook

Yea, they're 100% not letting us back in unless we take the euro. if we ever even leave. that is.

Luke Baker
Luke Baker

Haha, brilliant. They don't even need to win the election, just have a strong base.

William Clark
William Clark

This anti semitism thing is tearing about the left of the labour party

It's really weird. Almost *every* person in the left media is attacking Chris Williamson for daring to say that Labour had been too apologetic on anti semitism. Any one who is connected and has a media career is trotting out the "optics" line. Members seem to be reacting against it.

Williamson's crime? He organised a screening of a film about Jackie Walker, the jewish activist who was suspended for anti semitism when she said that some of the slave ships were owned by jewish people. She's also anti Israel

Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

why are both the labour left and labour right so obsessed with israel/palestine anyway.
i'm not diminishing it as an issue or defending imperialism or whatever, but it's a slightly bizarre tack for electoralists to take. I mean let's remind ourselves, foreign policy has no bearing on British elections. Churchill was turfed out after WW2 in Europe ended, the Tories got back in after Suez, Nobody but the Queen cared about Grenada, Blair got back after Iraq. What would happen if Britain broke for being completely anti-zionist? Very little. Israel would still have the support of the USA, the world superpower. What would happen if Britain broke for being completely pro-Israel? Well, the IDF might buy a few toys from BAe systems, but they'd be buying equal amounts of toys from America anyway.

I can't tell if it comes down to masked electoral and sectional pandering, an overinvestment in a moral dilemma that Britain has very little power to solve, hackneyed parallels to Northern Ireland, or typical British arrogance (including that of the left, by metaphor like the almost cute idea some elements of CND once held, long long ago, that if a great power like Britain refused nuclear weapons, it would encourage the USA and USSR - the other great powers to do likewise. A position that would be idealist if Britain was their equal and becomes almost comical when the real balance of power is examined.)

Meanwhile areas of imperialism where British influence is much stronger and more overt fall by the wayside. Everyone has a view on Israel-Palestine, what about the Chagos Islanders? Why does the left spend so much time on Zionism - which Britain can't stop - compared to arms-sales to the Saudis, which we could cut off tomorrow. Why do both left and right get into this argument while ignoring that Northern Ireland is without functioning government? Again, I'm not saying Israel-Palestine isn't an important issue or that Britain lacks all influence, but it definitely gets disproportionate airtime both from the left, right, centre, top and bottom of the party.

Jose Robinson
Jose Robinson

Because /pol/ is right and politics ARE really controlled by jews.

Brody Reyes
Brody Reyes

I mean tbf returning the Chagos Islanders and ending arm sales to the Sauds were in the 2017 manifesto. I think a large part of it is that it is the only real imperialist element of British foreign policy that people openly and actively shill for. Like if you brought-up Grenada people would be like "oh well that was bad ofcourse", but apart from maybe intervening in Venezuela (and that's very recent) open support of Israel could be considered the only existing mainstream opinion that is anti-imperialist. Also another part of it is that despite appearances public opinion not just in Britain but globally has shifted against Israel: the fact Eurovision said they'd pull the plug if Israel held it in Jerusalem despite every other Israeli Eurovision being held in Jerusalem.
Also a lot of the people involved in BDS are AAM vets who see them as one and the same thing.
Honestly though, I think a part of the reaction is that pro-zionism is now becoming a stance to take in British politics: which is rally kinda weird. I honestly expect The Tiggers to run on a pro-zionist platform next election, and all that jazz. Ironically the Lib dems could actually come-out in support of BDS sooner or later since one of the people tipped to be their next leader is a BDS supporting British-Palestinian. So yeah, zionism is actually gonna be a topic that british political parties will now define their positions on in the foreign policy sections of their manifesto. What a world.

Henry King
Henry King

The left is inordinately concerned with the israel-palestine issue because they come from activist circles which have had israeli apartheid as their focus for a long time all around the world, and a lot of the activist types who have been 'active' in activism for many years are deeply invested in that particular issue.
Meanwhile the zionists are just well funded shills doing what they're paid to do because Israel is deeply invested in keeping an ideological hegemony of officially sanctioned opinion in the west firmly pro-zionist.

Asher Campbell
Asher Campbell

The left is inordinately concerned with the israel-palestine issue
I mean, we weren't. Then the Zionists kvetched their tiny brains to the point of aneurysm and started actively interfering in domestic politics.
They've escalated what would likely be condemnation into inquiries and diplomatic expulsion.

Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

I mean, we weren't.
When do you mean? I'm in my 30's and it was always a /huge/ thing in the left/activist spaces from where i'm from and in london.

Carson Turner
Carson Turner

It was nowhere near as ridiculous as having people form parties and brief the media for months out of butthurt over it.

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

I don’t understand why the left likes the EU so much. Isn’t it a bunch of unelected government officials that tell you what to do from brussels

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Charles Ramirez
Charles Ramirez

I don’t understand why the left likes the EU so much.
They don't. It's just retarded middle class students who voted lib dem before corbyn and will vote for modern Conservatives when they grow up and get careers, etc.

Jackson Robinson
Jackson Robinson

tfw you lose respect for Alan Moore, Stewart Lee AND Chris Morris in one paragraph

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Nathan Ross
Nathan Ross

Expected this tossery from the likes of Lee and Morris but from Moore it's just sad… :<

Charles Hall
Charles Hall

It's a funny sort of anarchist that likes supranational psuedostates, yeah. Amusingly he was saying vote Corbyn, but wouldn't lower himself to do anything so plebbish. Does he even have a clue that Corbs has been Left-Eurosceptic his entire career?
theguardian.com/books/2016/sep/19/alan-moore-gives-heartfelt-backing-to-jeremy-corbyn-but-wont-vote-for-him

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Angel Morgan
Angel Morgan

It's a funny sort of anarchist that likes supranational psuedostates, yeah.

Not really part of the anarchist space anymore but from conversations i've had with some and looking at social media full of idiot burgers and wanabe burgers and not all representative, i know It seems the standard position for the young, middle class student anarchist type these days. Very sad but university and manipulative men in dresses has made many of these people swallow the idpol pill whole anyway, so fuck 'em.

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

Moore doesn't even leave his own house IIRC. Leave that magician to his devices

Brody Ortiz
Brody Ortiz

I guess some still has some aspirations of a Yanis-tier Radical Remain and to create a United (Socialist?) States of Europe.

Colton Bennett
Colton Bennett

I have been waiting for quite some time for the emergence of the Anarchists for EU group. They're so predictable.

Elijah Morales
Elijah Morales

It's just the same old. 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' nonsense with literally no thought to it. It's sad, when i was part of that space the EU was referred to as fortress Europe and always as anti-migrant and racist. Greek anarchists laughed in my face when i told them that some 'anarchists' here are pro EU.

Matthew Rodriguez
Matthew Rodriguez

Its always middle class students who talk about socialism/anarchist utopia's but think pulling out of a capitalist trading block is "too risky" ect
They wear socialism like a fashion accessory, so when it comes to the possibility that they will loose out they start siding with the establishment

Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

Alright but when he says something like Dunno about the Labour Party, all this antisemitism is upsetting my mate Gaiman. Makes u think., don't be surprised

Justin Ward
Justin Ward

But wasn't the argument to Remain or Leave back then precisely that it would be and is done under the Tories? Say what you will about the middle class students, they aren't the #FBPE crowd

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

Say what you will about the middle class students, they aren't the #FBPE crowd

haha, wut?

Kevin Sanchez
Kevin Sanchez

Morris's comment seems like a joke, doesn't it?

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

So we can all agree that Pokemon were used in the Pokemon version of the Troubles now, right?

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

FBPE
Twitter thing, basically all the "centre" liberal melts who use blame everything bad that is happening on Brexit and Corbyn. And we are talking insane mind numbing takes, for example blaming Corbyn on something the Tory party did internally. Most of them are the sort of people who would suck off Blair given the chance.

Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell

I think it's time we organised against the real ruling class: Those pesky middle class students.

Joshua Garcia
Joshua Garcia

Unironically should organize against them though. they ruin everything they fucking touch.

Lincoln Cooper
Lincoln Cooper

oh shit, I can see it happening
observer.com/2016/07/everything-neil-gaiman-knows-about-good-omens-and-american-gods

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Zachary Nelson
Zachary Nelson

Gaiman is overrated af. He basically surrounded himself by actual geniuses and bathed in there warmth for his career. pathetic.

Evan Campbell
Evan Campbell

nah, all three - though they may take oppositional poses - have done very well for themselves out of the neoliberal dispensation and dread its end

William Gonzalez
William Gonzalez

*incredibly liberal voice* who is they? huh? huh? are you an antisemite, MISTER GAIMAN?

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

Williamson suspended from Labour
The party is an absolute joke.

Christopher Carter
Christopher Carter

Tbh Williamson is more of a liability than he is an asset: he is the equivalent of an SR.

Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly

Yeah the liberals need a good hard fucking purge tbqh. Now saying the Labour party are soft touches when it comes to being bullied about AS is the same as being AS. So what do we have now? Another case of AS in the Labour party!
Also true.

Aiden Hill
Aiden Hill

Joke: Williamson suspended from Labour
woke: Galloway readmitted into the labour party

Jack Brown
Jack Brown

I know Owen Jones is an easy target but he's just so fucking awful. And doesn't Ash Sarkar call herself a communist? Lmao.

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Gabriel Garcia
Gabriel Garcia

Owen Jones is like everyone wrong with the London left.

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

Gulag for literally every single person that complains about the Corbyn wing not agreeing with Corbyn but also entertains various arguments about Corbynism being a cult when.

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

The question is how many people must be sacrificed on the bonfire of 'dealing with anti-semitism' and how much rhetorical ground conceded before its enough?
We all know that the accusations will continue regardless of reality, we all know that there is literally nothing Corbyn or the Labour leadership in general could do that would satisfy the accusers because its not about that, we all know that if David Miliband or Angela Eagle became Labour leader next morning the anti-semitism claims would evaporate overnight. And I don't believe the Labour leadership is ignorant of this, they must know that the accusations are bad faith smears, yet they continue to cede ground on them and purge people who call out the smears for what they are, i'd be able to accept that as 'cutting your losses' but not when you're engaging is apparently limitless appeasement of an unappeasable opposition. What's the plan? or is there just no plan and Labour is simply in full retreat from the media onslaught?

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

The leadership should have fought back from the start but it's too late now. If it's got to the point where questioning the narrative is enough to get you suspended, what can you do?

Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

No idea why they didn't fight back from the start, cowardly southern fuckers.

Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

Its clear to me they are not going to stop until antizionism = antisemitism is the party line and to hell with the consequences

Joshua Powell
Joshua Powell

these two have to be either willfully disingenuous and playing politics or have got bad information.

Williamson was literally talking about how Labour was a great party because they were against racism and anti semitism. His words were literally the "scourge of anti semitism"

Henry Cook
Henry Cook

Also, I'm pretty sure both of them waited until he was suspended to make their statements,

lefties with many followers who have refused to throw Willliamson under the bus:

Craig Murray
media lens
asa winstanley
george galloway

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Nathaniel Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor

This is an absolute fucking joke, never fucking trust socdems

Jason Diaz
Jason Diaz

this isn't about ideologies. it's about people who are in a position close to power and see that going against the central power will jeopardise their careers. It's about virtue signalling

Matthew Jones
Matthew Jones

On the bright side everyone without a blue checkmark next to their name is backing Williamson.

Lincoln James
Lincoln James

that's what so strange? illuminating? about this. It's not like there's a split between the media types like Jones and Novara media, they are all coming out against Williamson, and implying he's anti semitic or at best "insensitive" when it's clear from what he said he did nothing of the sort.

feels like a dogpile and the outcome will be fear

Ryan Martin
Ryan Martin

Even seen a Jacobin writer stick their head above the parapet. All the main culprits are on BBC payroll, I wonder if it's still under MI5 purview?

Sebastian Ward
Sebastian Ward

That and the whole 'don't question, trust the leadership' angle almost makes it seem like they have orders from above and are following a clear party line. But maybe that's just wishful thinking for this to be part of some plan.

Gavin White
Gavin White

Which one?

We don't need to talk about conspiracies, This is about careerism. Ash Sarkar, who generally has good takes, is about to get her own tv show. She doesn't want to jeopardise that.

Owen Jones, and Momentum are the type who are absolutely petrified about being called racist. You may see people in Jone's comments attacking him as a racist and he'll brush them off, but everytime that happens, it knocks down his defense a little, until we get to now, where he know that if he comes out in support of Williamson, he'll get labelled a supporter of anti semitism or whatever.

Despite what seems like most of the regular members showing solidarity with It's not about the numbers, it's about *who* , and Jones and the rest of the commentariat care more about the establishment than the Labour party rank and file.

Let's see how the twitter celebs like Rachel Swindon fall

that line from Jones was disgusting. As if the plebs have to follow the party line. I'm still fuming about the time he and Alaistar Campbell did a video for GQ where they talked about how Corbynism had failed.

Cameron Cox
Cameron Cox

implying we should just uncritically support any decision Corbyn makes

Fucking kill yourself, you fucking little babyfaced london prick.

Hudson Sanchez
Hudson Sanchez

Ah my bad it was a pretty neutral tweet on Jones' timeline and for some reason my memory had it down as a negative one.
Ash Sarkar, who generally has good takes, is about to get her own tv show.
lol, can't see her living this down tbqh
Let's see how the twitter celebs like Rachel Swindon fall
You're kidding right? Skwawkbox fucking love Williamson. I'll eat my own head if they come out batting against him.

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Brody Evans
Brody Evans

Tbh if there is a badger pokémon it will be 10/10.

Xavier Richardson
Xavier Richardson

conspiracy theory

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

Don't call yourself a marxist and use this smear.

Jason Carter
Jason Carter

You are the only person that has posted this term you dumb fag.

Anthony Rogers
Anthony Rogers

Read what I responded to you dumb middle class faggot.

Alexander Collins
Alexander Collins

I've read both your posts and they're both shit. Shame.

Angel Brown
Angel Brown

I find it funny that this thread ONLY talks about fucking labour and circle jerks over bourgeois "leftism". Indistinguishable from the guardian comment section. Why is there no talk about actual socialism/communism in britain or any parties advocating for it? Like I see cockshott mentioned sparingly but it's all about fucking labour - a pro imperialist bourgie party.

Also just a reminder:

youtube.com/watch?v=rNfFd1pSIuI

I know I will have made the middle class babies mad. Sorry for exposing you to the truth.

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Leo Wilson
Leo Wilson

Lol you're that buttmad retard in the other thread who was crying over that terrorist. Still angry that I demolished your ass?

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Carter Gray
Carter Gray

Stop shilling your vids you soy addled fag lmao
No?

Austin Sanchez
Austin Sanchez

You use the same twitter-speak as that other mental midget. Of course I'll never know though.

Hudson King
Hudson King

Dat intro
Fucking cringe user

Jaxon Martin
Jaxon Martin

Of course I'll never know though.
We can add it to the list.

Tyler Miller
Tyler Miller

complaining about how no one is talking about your ten-man marxist-leninist-maoist party instead of talking about it and contributing to the thread
okay buddy retard

Angel Flores
Angel Flores

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES CORBYN SLAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BOURGEOIS LEFTISM FTW *holds up spork*

Cameron Gonzalez
Cameron Gonzalez

this guy is calling people middle class
Nigga this is a fucking country village with like one pub I used to fuck some girl from there

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Kevin Thomas
Kevin Thomas

so you gonna be having an aneurysm and screeching incoherently in these threads everyday now?

Christopher Barnes
Christopher Barnes

This really is a pathetic character assassination. Why the fuck do you think I would post MY face on this board? Desperate. I posted my pictures in the previous thread, I live in walthamstow.

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Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

Wait are you the guy who gets furious if called an American?
walthamstow
Funny way of spelling WASHINGTON, AMERICA

Samuel Green
Samuel Green

Wait are you the guy who gets furious if called an American?
This is any self respecting brit. tbf.

Isaac Bennett
Isaac Bennett

what exactly is your objection?

Conspiracy theories exist for sure, but I don't think the phenomenon of lefty media types signalling against Williamson is one

Hudson Turner
Hudson Turner

Uncanny…

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Ayden Cook
Ayden Cook

We did it reddit!

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Lincoln Wright
Lincoln Wright

Reminder Chris Williamson is a careerist crypto blairite.
He backed PFI schemes and led a coalition with the Conservatives on Derby City Council. During his first stint as an MP between 2010 and 2015, he voted for military intervention in the Middle East and allowed the controversial Immigration Bill to slide through the Commons.
As Derby Council leader in 2006, he took credit for having spearheaded a Private Finance Initiative project when he was chair of housing in the mid-1990s.
Williamson trooped through the voting lobbies with David Cameron (and Diane Abbott) to support the 2011 military intervention in Libya.
politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/house/house-magazine/94700/chris-williamson-
Of all the people to die on a hill for, this slimy fuck is not it.

Cooper Fisher
Cooper Fisher

Link to the controversial documentary Williamson was linked to:
youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=ASqyg2FT5-0

Reminder Chris Williamson is a careerist crypto blairite.
Totally irrelevant even if true, he has taken exactly the right position here and he's been crucified for it.

Of all the people to die on a hill for
This mentality of 'we don't need to fight this battle' is why the smearers have gained so much ground so easily. When are we going to resist if not now?

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

so what sect of LARPers do you pin your flag to?

Why the fuck do you think I would post MY face on this board? …I posted my pictures in the previous thread
lmao

Elijah Powell
Elijah Powell

Is this the face of Yank Autism?

Jaxson Flores
Jaxson Flores

To everyone complaining that all we talk about is Labour. You need to realise what is happening within the Labour party right now. Yes the leadership is still playing by the rules of bourgeois parliamentary politics, its a political party. But Corbyn has pushed socialism back into mainstream politics. He has done more in a few years then any other wing party/org since the 90's and that's with the 2009 crash happening. Also refreshing Labour has an actual anti-imperialist leader, even with all the smears he hasn't back down on this. The actually interesting part about what is happening within Labour right now is the membership, you go to meetings and there are people talking about workers councils, Marxism, Leninism, anti imperialism, with more knowledge then many socialist orgs today. These people are the future of the Labour party. Its only going to get more left from here
(yes I know I'm being optimistic)

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Christopher Russell
Christopher Russell

The actually interesting part about what is happening within Labour right now is the membership,

No. Bunch of remainer idpol middle class scum that need to be dumped into the fucking sea.

Juan Smith
Juan Smith

the hardline communist masses will appear out of thin air
Either help build cadres in the labour party or fuck off back to your cpgb-ml meeting to wank over how labour are social fascist, imperialist, bourgeois trannies or whatever

Leo Carter
Leo Carter

No. Bunch of remainer idpol middle class scum that need to be dumped into the fucking sea.
Actually most of Labour's new membership are working class: there have been studies to show this.

Ethan Wright
Ethan Wright

implying implying implying
i said any of these things simply because i don't tolerate middle class fucking students making labour unelectable for no other reason than it'll make there lives slightly more convenient when they start there fancy careers around europe.

You're literally wrecking the labour party for no other reason than 'muh membership! so important!!' KYS, user.

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

Your incoherent rants about 'muh middle class students' are entirely detached from reality my dude, but I know reality won't stop you from having some windmill to tilt at and angrily shake your fist at.

Jason Fisher
Jason Fisher

Damn, first time i've seen FInklestein speak in a long time. He nailed this zionist shit tho!!

youtube.com/watch?v=AbmCPIpGLHg
youtube.com/watch?v=iiyU07XqaQE
youtube.com/watch?v=xt5fOmtJfGQ

I fucking love that man.

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Carter Brown
Carter Brown

Labour is shit! SHIT!
Labour should be calling for strikes and insurrection right fucking now!
Labour is a party of middle class students
Stop wrecking the Labour party
WSWSfag really is a rollercoaster of a poster.

Tyler Evans
Tyler Evans

Labour is shit! SHIT!
Labour should be calling for strikes and insurrection right fucking now!

Where did i say that, fucktard?

Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

If you're not the same poster as WSWSfag then we've got two tards to wrangle.

Oliver Evans
Oliver Evans

middle class fucking students making labour unelectable
i'm sure you've got adequate polling data and other electoralist evidence for this claim.

Henry Ortiz
Henry Ortiz

I'm just a poorper that doesn't want to live under more tory austerity barely being able to eat because some fucking middle class euro-fetishist fucktards barely out of school have the labour party there vehicle for feel good liberalism..
If you can't see how they're fucking killing the party with there chasing phantoms of antisemitism because of some gormy idpol obligation and there 'CORBYN IS BETRAYING US ON BREXIT! PV NOW!!' schtick then idk what too tell you. These people are the fucking middle class. they're not even labours base yet the party has found itself in a position where it must apparently pander to them on a daily basis because 'muh membership'.
Do you honestly think the average person on your normal high-street gives a fuck about some antisemitism? do you /really/ think that those who voted to leave (like most of us here) will trust labour again if they force a peoples vote?

I honestly can't see how anyone on the left can argue this shit in good faith.. It's beyond me.

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Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

I think most people are in agreement they just don't spend every post losing their shit over it.
muh membership are middle class (still unproven claim)
Have you ever considered the majority of people are just fucking thick?

Dylan Brown
Dylan Brown

Have you ever considered the majority of people are just fucking thick?
This is true, but still. the mongoloid poshoes are alienating the divvy workers and estate plebs. This is who labour needs to vote for them at the end of the day. It becomes harder for me to argue for my working class people every day because of there nonsense antics. it's a huge problem.

Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

Look if 70% of the members want to remain the only fault of anyone involved is the divvy fucks too cheap to shell out for a membership card and crossing their fingers it would go their way for years.
I don't like the result, you don't like the result, but democracy is one of our most effective tools and we can't shelve it whenever it makes a mess of things. It's how we took control of the party and last time it was removed the Blairites were in charge for over twenty years.

Zachary Perez
Zachary Perez

Also: youtube.com/watch?v=vxEN0q6YHf0&t=2407s

Finklestein schools the NovaraMedia guys on this stuff and predicts it wont stop (6 months ago).

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Matthew Morris
Matthew Morris

Where you've gotten the idea that its the middle class students(?) in the labour party that screech about anti-semitism is beyond me. 99% of the anti-semitism screeching faggots and people's vote cunts are women over 40 who voted lib dem in 2010 but keep tweeting about how they'll never vote for labour again because of muh corbyn, muh anti-semitism, muh brexit. The primary demographic of remainers who spend their time hysterically shitting themselves over those things are posh europhile boomers every. fucking. time.
I have literally no idea where you got the notion that the youth are the problem with the labour membership.

Eli Watson
Eli Watson

the only middle class students who give a fuck about the standard blairite issues are (gasp, shock) blairite careerists!
who would've thought that?

This is who labour needs to vote for them at the end of the day
Eh, despite recent developments the safest strategy for labour for the next election is still to cautiously assume that the heartlands will always be labour while courting middle class votes. the very important thing is, this has to be done with tone rather than policy for the most part.
the distribution of constituencies is such that winning middle class votes is necessary. the question is how you do this without rendering the victory redundant, and that is possible.

p.s. C2s are the worst class traitors tbh

Ayden Brooks
Ayden Brooks

C2, isn't that working professionals?

Jeremiah Mitchell
Jeremiah Mitchell

I agree that you need to get the middle class on side but i disagree in assuming that traditional labour and other working class seats are a safe bet. I really don't think so. Would love to be proven wrong though.

I think labour needs to remember that at a base level the middle classes fucking abhor us. they hold nothing but disdain for the working class of this country. Remember when they used to call us chavs and dress up as us in parties? 'gammon' is a new 'chav', btw. no matter how many times labour types use it. They call us all ignorant, racist, etc. etc. for having opinions and takes that differ from The Guardian mandated ones. They often very openly ruminate that we're too stupid for democracy. They gentrify our areas so we cannot even afford to live. They show there disgust in everything they do.
The problem for them and the labour party is that due to social media, the internet, etc. it has never been clearer what these people think of us. This strategy i fear will backfire, horribly.

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

Every time someone uses the term 'middle class' to describe themselves or anyone else it fills me with the urge to beat the shit out of them.

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

'gammon' is a new 'chav', btw

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Nathan Davis
Nathan Davis

mate, it is now almost exclusively used by twats on twitter having a pop at working class men who have the audacity to not vote remain. seriously…

Grayson Roberts
Grayson Roberts

White working class men*

Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

while i'm away here's a contentious point:
i like how often "working class" always carries connotations of "white british born working class"

Dylan Foster
Dylan Foster

having a pop at red-faced jingoistic petit bourg small business owners who would be the first to eagerly support the rise of fascism in this country
ftfy faggot

Andrew Moore
Andrew Moore

Stop getting butthurt over people insulting the gormless cunts who stand outside corner shops tripping people up and the retards who want to nuke North Korea you wetbag.

Chav is a working class insult against lumpens and that's the tea m8.

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

Antisemitism Open Letter
We are Labour members who support Jeremy Corbyn in his leadership and the progressive, socialist programme and anti-racist principles of the Labour Party.
We have seen antisemitism from Labour members and supporters, online or offline. We recognise that as a movement we have been too slow to acknowledge this problem, too tolerant of the existence of antisemitic views within our ranks, too defensive and too eager to downplay it.

We sincerely apologise to the Jewish community, and our Jewish comrades in the party, for our collective failure on this issue to date.

We believe that a small minority of antisemites are wreaking havoc in the Labour movement, alienating Jewish people, and sabotaging the Labour project. Some of these people are already expelled or otherwise suspended by the party, but remain active on social media. Moreover, there is a much wider problem of denial about the problem, including shouting down those who raise it or take action.

We are acutely aware that confidence in the left is at an all time low within Jewish communities. It is our goal to rebuild trust and relationships with our Jewish compatriots.

In addition, we understand our obligation to be sensitive to the concerns that have already been widely expressed. A particular issue is that many people, due to a general lack of education about antisemitism, are not recognising antisemitic tropes, and as a result often react defensively. We recognise that rising antisemitism in society at large, and in other parties, isn’t a reason to fall short here in the Labour Party. It is our party that has always led the fight against racism, which is why our failures are bitterly disappointing for Jewish members, and as such we affirm that there is no space for anti-Jewish prejudice and bigotry in our movement. We must be at the forefront of eradicating antisemitism from our own spaces and movement, which is where we have the power to hold ourselves to the highest standard in order to make a real difference.

Part of the difficulty is that when speaking out about the injustices of the Israel-Palestine conflict, progressive and radical activists have faced allegations of antisemitism when they have either not been antisemitic or when they did not intend to be antisemitic and took care to ensure they were not using antisemitic tropes or rhetoric. At the same time, we acknowledge that we face real currents of unchallenged and somewhat normalised anti-Jewish oppression in our movements and society at large including at times alongside criticism of Israel. In order to resolve this we call on all members of the Labour movement to seek an end to bunker mentality, demonstrate maturity and prove why, as a party awaiting government, we can be trusted to face up to the challenges we encounter in bringing about significant change both within and outside of the movement.

It is our ambition to arrive at a place where we can hold ourselves accountable, continuing to address important challenges and having meaningful discussions about topics including the Israel-Palestine conflict. All of this whilst being true and committed allies to our Jewish compatriots in the fight against antisemitism.

We are committed to proactively opposing antisemitism and antisemitic tropes wherever they occur and countering efforts to downplay concerns raised. We want to work with the party to urgently assign resources, in consultation with the Jewish community, to expose and isolate antisemites active online purporting to support Labour; to create and develop political education materials to assist in educating those who are ignorant of this subject and unaware of the nuances of antisemitism; to publish a dedicated page on the Labour Party website addressing antisemitism; to address both new and outstanding cases in a timely manner; and to raise up Jewish voices speaking out about their experiences; and to reiterate publicly and privately that dismissive attitudes and denial are part of the problem.

We understand that many Jewish members feel uncertain and have reservations, but we hope that you will stay in the Labour Party, so we can work with you and together eradicate antisemitism from our movement and society as a whole.

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Gavin Green
Gavin Green

This is actually pretty reasonable tbh.

Ethan Allen
Ethan Allen

I agree Chaim, it's disgraceful how Labour are terrorising Jewish communities.

Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

Nah tbh we should go full Ian Paisley Jr. towards the Jewish community because fuckit why not.

Thomas Torres
Thomas Torres

Shock in the media continues after the referendum on expulsion of the Jews came back with a 52% "Expel" result. MP's have just finished debating the meaning of the term "Expel", and have decided to become a tributary of Israel.

Lucas Campbell
Lucas Campbell

it should've openly asserted labour as an anti-zionist party tbh

Cameron Hernandez
Cameron Hernandez

I mean here's the thing, it is though. Like all this stuff about anti-semitism hasn't actually changed party policy towards Israel. The party openly endorsed BDS at the last conference and tbh nobody has really attack that in-of itself. Even if Williamson is ejected, a Corbyn government still put an arms embargo on Israel. To be frank, the battle is won: now we just have to make sure the fallout isn't too damaging. People think we are on the back foot, no, we are actually winning here. It's okay to give some give.

Ryder Ward
Ryder Ward

Jesus Christ, not here as well. The whole anti-semitism line is due to the Israel policy. Giving them an inch on it will just result in them pushing for miles until the Israel policy is dropped.

Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

Except they're not, it's all stuff about idpol. The policies of BDS and arms boycott aren't even criticised in the press tbh.

Daniel Clark
Daniel Clark

How have you got through life with absolutely no ability to connect two things?

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

I'm not saying the two things aren't connect in the eyes of right-wing elements pushing this narrative, my point is that by focusing on individuals like Williamson instead of policies they are actively doing themselves a disharm of trying to make Labour abaddon it's confrontational policies with Israel. John Smith doesn't think that LAbour is anti-semitic because of its policies, but because there are bad people in it. Purge enough of the people in the right way, you can deal with the issue in a tidy way. It's all about optics lad.

Liam Kelly
Liam Kelly

To be frank, the battle is won: now we just have to make sure the fallout isn't too damaging. People think we are on the back foot, no, we are actually winning here. It's okay to give some give.
It really isn't. Don't appease these fuckers, they don't give a shit about anti-semitism, real or imagined, they are trying to destroy the Labour party, they are out for Corbyn's head, they will not be satisfied until we commit mass ritual suicide in penance for having questioned neoliberalism and zionism, only then will we have atoned sufficiently and the rife anti-semitism in the party will have been dealt with to the satisfaction of these bad faith insincere demagogues.
Appeasement will never contain the fallout, and it will only make us look weak and give credence to the accusations in the eyes of the public when the keep apologising for how horribly anti-semitic we all are and keep being no matter how many times we say we have no tolerance for it and are treating it super seriously this time.
The only way for this smear to be stopped is to step up and deny it and deny it and deny it, keep putting forth the statement loud and clear that its a smear, there's no anti-semitism in the labour party and that shadowy zionist money is trying to influence british politics. That should've been the message from the start, it would've been really messy and unpleasant but eventually they'd give in, the media always give in with a smear once its run its course and ceases to be effective. But with this appeasement? we're losing a lot more blood with this self-inflicted bloodletting than we would've lost had we put up a fight and won.

Owen Murphy
Owen Murphy

Yeah have fun with your MSM optics when no fucker turns out to go door to door for your opportunistic and cowardly leadership.

Jordan Parker
Jordan Parker

The only way for this smear to be stopped is to step up and deny it and deny it and deny it, keep putting forth the statement loud and clear that its a smear, there's no anti-semitism in the labour party and that shadowy zionist money is trying to influence british politics. That should've been the message from the start, it would've been really messy and unpleasant but eventually they'd give in, the media always give in with a smear once its run its course and ceases to be effective. But with this appeasement? we're losing a lot more blood with this self-inflicted bloodletting than we would've lost had we put up a fight and won.
This. Fuck the leadership and the retards defending them, they've just wrecked the whole fucking thing.

Mason Wilson
Mason Wilson

and it will only make us look weak and give credence to the accusations in the eyes of the public
Not if you try to appease once and then constantly get attacked by the media, you will get the sympathy highground

Aiden Morales
Aiden Morales

Not if you try to appease once and then constantly get attacked by the media, you will get the sympathy highground
alas that's also not what happened

Lincoln Davis
Lincoln Davis

For starters, lamo if you think telling people to sod-off works: that's what the Labour leadership did for 3 years, the fuck did it produce?
Secondly, you have to realise that in the eyes of the public things are normally pretty grey. The vast majority do not believe Labour is outright anti-semitic or Corbyn is an anti-semite (there are perhaps a third of people who will believe anything they hear about Corbyn because they already hate the bloke). What you have to realise is that when someone says "Labour is anti-semitic" and someone says "No it isn't whatsoever" then the first person pulls out a tweet of a Labour member supporting fucking blood libel then you have fucked up. To claim something is pure, to deny and deny and deny until you have no breath is an easy position to fucking attack because nothing is pure. The second position, in the eyes of the people, seems closer to reality than the first. Now saying "labour is whollely anti-semitic" vs "labour has a problem but so does the whole of society and we are working through it" then the first person pulls that out, the second person can say "we are working through it here is an example from Y". In the eyes of the public, the second position, the one that is in favour of labour, seems closer to reality. Any attempt from the first to double down seems more aggressive and ridiculous compared to the second, which appears to be the reality more. The public are fine with organisations being imperfect, as-long-as they are demonstrably improving. It's why you see jewish people starting to praise momentum (who were meant to be the BIG BAD).
And as I said, figures like Rachel Riley or whatever never bring up shit like BDS or an arms boycott because they can't attack that shit: it is seen as morally acceptable. All this stuff is based on tweets and comments and not policy.
alas that's also not what happened
Because the leadership dug in like you wanted, remember the whole ECHR thing? The solution to just adopt it with a free speech clause was fucking obvious but they dragged it out for 6 fucking months.

Henry Clark
Henry Clark

Forgot your flag.

Jordan Richardson
Jordan Richardson

excuse me that's my flag

Hudson Gonzalez
Hudson Gonzalez

that's what the Labour leadership did for 3 years, the fuck did it produce?
Don't know what you mean but things have never been worse for Labour's image than they are now, so the previous policy was obviously better (even though the leadership has never truly stood up for itself).

then the first person pulls out a tweet of a Labour member supporting fucking blood libel
Show us the worst tweets you have seen then. They seem to invariably be grossly taken out of context. Also Labour's enemies create fake accounts to false flag.

To claim something is pure
Nobody does that though. Nobody thinks it's possible to have a mass party without any bad apples.

"labour has a problem but so does the whole of society and we are working through it"
This position obliges you to produce evidence that you are successfully 'working through it', and whatever evidence you give will never be good enough for your accusers. The correct position is 'Labour does not have a problem because racists are UNDER-represented in the membership'.

The public are fine with organisations being imperfect, as-long-as they are demonstrably improving
What room for improvement is there? What needs to be done? Be specific.

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

things have never been worse
Thats simply not true. No one cares about anti-Semitism. in 2017 Labour was at 20% in the polls. Now their at 37% with the Torys around 38-39%
The correct position is 'Labour does not have a problem because racists are UNDER-represented in the membership'.
This is a better position imo to what labour are doing at the moment. They should be using statistics and investigations reports that show anti-Semitism in Labour is far less than society as a whole. They should also go on the attack more at the Torys Islamophobia
At the end of the day no one actually care when it comes to elections. We saw this in 2017 when none of the smears stuck, anti-Semitism didn't stick then and it won stick now.

Nathan Brooks
Nathan Brooks

The poster who is constantly assblasted about middle class London students actually has a point when you see all the pious little twerps featured on Momentum's twitter
twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum
Loads of retarded CTH tier twinks virtue signalling about being against anti-semitism.

Thomas Thompson
Thomas Thompson

Some conspiracies are 100% real
<Smash cut to Tony Blair and the Iraq war
Okay, I fucking laughed.

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

some conspiracies are real.

The way this is working is whatever angle the attack on Corbyn takes it will be a social justice one that the left commentariat will be unable to rebel against for fear of losing their woke status

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Joseph Peterson
Joseph Peterson

Anarcho-liberals.

Dylan Mitchell
Dylan Mitchell

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Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

Actually less scary tbh.

Isaac Harris
Isaac Harris

Lel Farage is doing 14 days of walking for 6 hours every day before brexit. The guy is gonna unironically die.

Anthony Nelson
Anthony Nelson

Why do you do this?

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Lincoln Cruz
Lincoln Cruz

Tfw you can't take the banter

James Lee
James Lee

please tell me this was real

Jason Rogers
Jason Rogers

Obvious satire but I love it.

Liam Cox
Liam Cox

Aren’t Americans descended from the Puritans?

David Parker
David Parker

That whole page is that novara media guy talking about Rothschilds…. Why even bother interacting with lowest common denominator retards that believe in anonymous-tier conspiracy theories? honestly… what's the point?

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

Cowardly leaders + Lansman is Jewish/soft on Zionists and keeps throwing people under the bus about it. Momentum need to push for internal democracy tbh, Lansman's a power grabbing little scrub.

Luke Jackson
Luke Jackson

So The Tiggers aren't even allying with the liberal democrats lamo…

Jason Lopez
Jason Lopez

Lansman already did a blair-style powergrab; Momentum used to have way more internal democracy in its early days.

Labour leftists need to purge him too.

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

Yeah he's a fucking cunt. I remember when he won an NEC seat and then tried to become GenSec, which would leave the NEC seat vacant and in control of Blairites. Fuck knows what havoc the fifth columnist would be causing if he won.

Hunter Ortiz
Hunter Ortiz

lmao an iraq war apologist is TIGs foreign policy representative

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

They should be using statistics and investigations reports that show anti-Semitism in Labour is far less than society as a whole
This is absolutely one of the best options for combating the smears. However, the key issue for jewish commentators I think is less whether they have lots of anti-semites in the party, but how they are perceived to deal with them. There have been some minor mistakes in letting random known cranks stay too long, and it has meant that we are now in the position that the only way to 'solve' the perceived problem is to execute those responsible for those decisions according to the liberals.
My point is, we can point at how non-racist the labour party is all we want. But we cant suddenly make the leadership get a brand new image of being hard on anti-semites without kicking some out. Honestly, there's not much to be done because we shouldn't kick out people for siding with the liberals. But, if some massive bigot came along and they got rightfully kicked the commentariat would just use that individual as further proof that Labour is filled with examples just like them.
Its a fucking brutal situation and its better to try and point out that the MSM are smearing twats.

Ian Brooks
Ian Brooks

New plan to get support for socialism in the UK. Say you're gonna introduce safe standing in the prem and I bet some people would support you just for that.

Adrian Scott
Adrian Scott

kek, it's Lansman or the fucking AWL, and I know who I'll chose in that fight.

Gabriel Williams
Gabriel Williams

Unironically this has support in the Labour because they are all footie fans: Corbyn is a gooner, McDonnell supports Liverpool iirc, and even fucking David Lammy is a Spurs fan.

Carson Wood
Carson Wood

AWL
Fill me in? ;)

Kayden Young
Kayden Young

Zionist trots that are anti-union.

Daniel Gutierrez
Daniel Gutierrez

*third camp anti-trots

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Grayson Thomas
Grayson Thomas

I don't care what they call themselves anti-unionist can suck my dijck.

Jayden Perez
Jayden Perez

tbf modern day unions are very anti-worker

forbidding strikes
funneling all union dues to upper union management
accepting deals with management that screw over incoming workers in exchange for protecting the rights of the older workers

etc.

Brody Perry
Brody Perry

Eh not in Britain really, due to the legally repressed nature of our unions they tend to be quite militant. The issue is that they can't mobilise their size (britain has 25% union density which is larger than most of non-scandie europe).

Oliver Phillips
Oliver Phillips

Oh that's nice. Here in Canada our unions suck dogshit.

William Anderson
William Anderson

If you trust unions or see them as an end in itself you're sleepwalking into failure.
Some of the unions might be on our side for now while Labour is still fairly right wing and we should encourage and court the support of the unions for now, but we need to be aware that the unions are going to become reactionary and turn against Corbyn or any sufficiently leftist Labour leadership, just as they did with Benn during the deputy leadership race. In the long-run the unions always betray the workers by their very nature.

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

Eh it's six-of-one, as I said the unions are militant but due to legal issues are immensely weak so they don't achieve much above the shop-floor level. Still, unionisation is growing once again which is nice.
It's more that union militancy is 1) a threat to capitalism 2) is inherently progressive 3) they will support governments that give them more rights which is what Labour will do. Corbyn has a unique relationship with the unions because he is offering them powers they haven't had since the 1970s. Even the possible blairite unionists (yes they exist) support that. Ironically he can outflank the anti-socialist unionists by giving the unions more power. I guess thanks Maggie?

Tyler Davis
Tyler Davis

Alliance for Workers Liberty (formerly the Socialist Organiser Alliance, formerly the Workers Socialist League, formerly the International-Communist League, formerly the Trotskyist Tendency, before that they were the Workers' Fight group).

It's hard to know where to start with them really. They're a micro-sect (cult?) that surround the grand old patriarch of British Shachtmanite thought in the UK these days, Sean Matgamna (actual name John O’Mahoney). Membership below 100 in total - you pay around a third of your salary to the group though - so they've enough money for a full time staff of around 6. Mostly centred in London, Lewisham. Been engaged in entryism into Labour for decades, despite a brief flirtation with Left Unity in 2014/15.

These days they're most notable for being the one Zionist "Communist" political outfit that still exists in the 21st century in the UK, because Israelis have a right to self-determination (in their parlance), and regularly accuse other left-wing outfits of being antisemitic (which is pretty unfair on most, outside of maybe the SWP and Weekly Worker).

Although they'd describe themselves as Third Campist, broadly they're more sympathetic to Western countries than Marxist-Leninist ones, so viewed the fall of Communism in the 1990s as a fantastic occurrence. They've been acused of defending the Iraq war, although I'm not sure that's *exactly* true, they did oppose British troops being pulled out before "Iraqi civil society" had a chance to replace Ba'athism (think they're a bit embarrassed about that now though, and don't mention it so much).

Also massively pro-EU, to the point where they run the Another Europe Is Possible campaign pretty directly (most of the staff are either paid up members or sympathisers). They'd argue that's because of migrant's rights, although quite how you square that with what's been going on in the Mediterranean and the incoming lurch to the right that the EU's going to take after the next round of EU Parliament elections is beyond me.

Finally, they've been accused of being fairly sympathetic toward the pedo menace.

marxists.org/history/etol/critiques/sullivan/pub-4so.html

checktheirminutes.com/

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

trots confirmed for controlled opposition YET AGAIN

the

eternal trot

is a menace that must be banished

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

Not even sure it's fair to tarnish all of Trotskyism with the AWL's nonsense. They're pretty universally reviled by all the other Trotskyist groups in the UK (especially the SWP and SP).

Elijah Stewart
Elijah Stewart

Tbf SWP and SP are pretty shit.

Austin Scott
Austin Scott

Oh yeah, the entire UK Left outside of Labour is an utter joke at the present.

Matthew Barnes
Matthew Barnes

The only good (and actual) trots are socialist appeal/imt
Doing good work with the hand off venezuela campaign

Andrew Anderson
Andrew Anderson

I mean tbf the RMT used to be a good extra-labour left movement.
Ironically socialist appeal are a Labour party internal campaign.

Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

I mean, sure. My only interaction with them has been either them splitting the left vote in student union/momentum elections and talking with former members.

Most of them seemed to think it was going nowhere fast, and treated it as an education group first and foremost, which is a bit depressing given how bad Militant was at political education.

Chase Wood
Chase Wood

Big fan of the RMT, but the SP's influence is still strong enough in the lay structures to stop it affiliating to Labour and getting RMT-Labour MPs, NEC spots, etc. which is annoying.

Noah Baker
Noah Baker

SPLITTERS: the thread
kek

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Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

Orwell was a mistake.

Christian Moore
Christian Moore

Chuka Umunna: I never felt totally comfortable in the Labour party
Well no fucking shit

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

Umunna only joined Labour in the 1990s, after the reforms initiated by Tony Blair, and said perhaps the period up to 2010, when Ed Miliband took over, was a historic aberration, and his old party had now reverted to type.
“Maybe what we’ve seen happen in the Labour party since the late 1990s and through to 2010, was actually exceptional, and wasn’t what the Labour party really is?”
He describes what unites them as a “radical centrist” agenda.
Lmao

Adam Hill
Adam Hill

reality defies parody at this point. what you think up as a funny meme one day is in the news the next.

Jeremiah Cruz
Jeremiah Cruz

Honestly though, The Tiggers ruling out a pact with the lib dems is fucking suicide: they have 100k members, thousands of cllrs, representation in Holyrood & Cardiff bay (with their sister party sitting in Stormont), and most importantly they're fucking organised at the ground level. It is a gift to be taken, but instead they are trying to steal Lib Dem Prospective Parliamentary Candidates.
I don't think we have to worry about them lads, it appears they are planning to commit suicide.

Evan Wood
Evan Wood

Yeah, was kinda sad to see they didn't vote for reaffiliation (if they did that right now it would be a major boost). Still it appears the PCS has been won-over from the trots so that's nice.

Christopher Thompson
Christopher Thompson

Why does anyone even want the brits to stay? Fuck them, they should negotiate trade with the EU from the outside looking in like any other third party.

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

Yeah, don't really see how any of the TIGs survive the next election unless they merge with the Lib Dems and stand in a Lib Dem target seat.

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

The radical centrist idea of merely "not being May/Corbyn", combined with the surprisingly popular belief that the Lib Dems are dead in the water mean I definitely fear that the Tiggers could surge.

Noah Sullivan
Noah Sullivan

the surprisingly popular belief that the Lib Dems are dead in the water
This can't make up for the fact that the Lib Dems are offering an almost identical product and with a solid organisational base. The Tiggers probably aren't even going to be able to field a candidate in every constituency. And where are their MPs going to be elected? They'll get destroyed if they stand in their current constituencies and they have no roots elsewhere.

Nolan Myers
Nolan Myers

Not that I was agreeing with the idea that Lib Dems are dead, mind. But yeah, I'd agree that their only USP is the fact that they exist separately now, while they're totally incompetent in pretty much every other regard. The only way I can foresee Tiggers winning votes is from New Labour remnants voting for this reason alone, as from any reasoned standpoint there is nothing to offer whatsoever here.

Asher Smith
Asher Smith

Cheeky bump

Nicholas King
Nicholas King

Wait Brummies, is milkcoke actually a legit thing?

Ryan Price
Ryan Price

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Wyatt Brown
Wyatt Brown

Wait a second the government plan to ban posting Hezbollah flags online…

William Peterson
William Peterson

Would Brexit make the Falklands a South American hellworld again?
CRASHING THIS BOARD IN THE U.K WITH NO SURVIVORS

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Robert Martin
Robert Martin

day, councillor Paul Wilson resigned from the Labour party during a meeting of Salford City Council, calling the leadership “fake socialists” and accusing the local constituency party of “brushing anti-Semitism under the carpet”:

“There are those within Salford Labour Party who will, and have said, I’m doing this because I'm a Blairite, or a red Tory. These same people are the ones who voted to sell off the council houses and cut disabled transport whilst I voted against these right-wing policies… I say to these fake socialists it’s time they look at themselves in the mirror and ask themselves who the real socialist is!”

Couldn't make it up. laughing.

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Anthony Morgan
Anthony Morgan

Will Brexit be the beginning of the end?

In his first TV interview, Nick Timothy suggested the PM and other ministers' attitude meant the government has "not been prepared to take the steps" needed to make the most of Brexit.
And he warned the government's mishandling of it risked "opening up space for a populist right wing party".
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47414079

Hudson Adams
Hudson Adams

Bring it on. Glad i grow my own food tbqh.

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Brody Walker
Brody Walker

NEED a timeline where the Tories go full Progressive Conservative and drop to single digit seats, leading to a huge Labour majority with a SNP official opposition and a lib-dem sized centre-right party.

Matthew Nguyen
Matthew Nguyen

This is pretty likely in the long term. The Torys are pretty good at not dying out though but they have a serious demographic problem, not only with voters but their membership average age is around 70. Its also becoming increasingly obvious, even to Tory voters, the compete lack of skill within the party. You have people like Chris Grayling, Gavin Williamson,Michael Gove ect who are getting away with fucking up so badly its amazing that they have their jobs still. I think in about 20 years they will be dead

Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

Also they have a major problem in that their base is really ficke: one of Cameron's things he did was appealing to the liberal-minded, and ethnic minority petit-booj groupings, both of which May's pandering to Essex Kippers has fucked up. To add to that, the Essex kippers in of themselves are an unreliable voting bloc because they have already made the switch from voting for another party; and a few of them voted Labour in 2017 because their party tribalism had been broken.
The issue for Labour is that it needs to articulate its appeal to the working class as it currently is. Currently it relies too much on a mixture of traditional heartland voters and middle class professionals: both of which are lacking due to brexit. Now it has made interesting gains in Southern English towns, mostly due to the rise of rural poverty and the decline of the tories organisationally in these areas. IMO Labour needs to go on a membership blitz in small to middle sized towns (30-100k) and build-up organiSational bases in these areas. Then it needs to articulate policies that would allow for these towns to deal with the issues they face (namely: homelessness, shit transport links, lack of stable industry). I think this is happening somewhat, you see corbyn bringing up buses in PMQs but honestly some of it is half-arsed, and Labour has never actively launched a membership drive in 2 decades. Like legit if people went door-knocking it could get 1m members in a year. Also also affiliated TU members need to be integrated harder: the best way to balance out accusations the party isn't working class is to have TU members integrated in its structure more effectively.
But to be frank, as-long-as Europe and Scottish independence are issues I cannot see Labour ruling as a de facto dominant party state, purely because constitutional issues split people too much.
And we have to remember, this populist right-wing party is gonna likely be either Farage 2.0 (aka Thatcherite with fag-and-a-pint characteristics) or UKIP TOMMEH wankstains.

Joseph Morgan
Joseph Morgan

Nick Timothy
You mean the mong who 'masterminded' the Tories' 2017 general election campaign?

the government's mishandling of it risked "opening up space for a populist right wing party".
I see he's found a new career stating the bleeding obvious.

Caleb Williams
Caleb Williams

Cockshott once again coming with that truth
fyoutube.com/watch?v=lepMdZuZiHo

Aaron Price
Aaron Price

Essex Kipper
WTF is an Essex Kipper?

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William Turner
William Turner

People who complain about current Labour referring to themselves as Old Labour have completely bought into the psyop but for the wrong reasons. It's just to bully centrists into accepting a massive swing to the left.

Bentley Hill
Bentley Hill

I believe they are revering too the well-off white working class, slightly to very racist, lots of muh immigrants. most of them got rich in the 80's and moved out of London to Kent or Essex. Voted UKIP 2015 (hence kipper) but most of the time vote Tory.

Labour has a real problem mobialisiing outside of cities/large towns. I guess the issue is Labour are very good at getting people knocking on doors and winning over voters that way, while Torys use the media. In a rural area door knocking is hard without good transport/ takes more time /cost more.
why the fuck haven't Labour hired him to help with economic policy. It would be the first thing I do if I was leader.

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Elijah Fisher
Elijah Fisher

Why hasn't a socdem party hired a Marxist economist to devise economic policy
It's a mystery

Isaiah Baker
Isaiah Baker

Well John McDonnell still to this day calls himself a Marxist in TV interviews. But yeah good point

Kevin Carter
Kevin Carter

A UKIP voter from Essex (and more generally the seaside towns of the South-East.

Zachary Richardson
Zachary Richardson

Labour has a real problem mobialisiing outside of cities/large towns. I guess the issue is Labour are very good at getting people knocking on doors and winning over voters that way, while Torys use the media. In a rural area door knocking is hard without good transport/ takes more time /cost more.
A lot of it has to do with the fact that they are well organised in areas with high union density (no fucking surprise for any kind of labour party). It's why they used to dominate towns like Mansfield (which in 2017 flipped tory for the first time in a long fucking time) because it had a union based. Since the decline of unions in the 1980s Labour never really recovered from this and instead shifted to national campaigning with PRIME MINISTER smiling in that freaky way and getting the English middle class to clap. This sorta changed in 2017 purely because Momentum were good at shifting people around (the manchester to trafford stuff being the best) but still that is more short term than long term.
Now there is a way to recover from this lack of trade unionism, well two of them (outside of rebuilding trade union membership). First of which is tennant unionism, which is rapidly growing in the UK due to the militancy of the union and its ability to gain results. The reason these orgs have such potential to grow is because they don't need to rely on an industry and it's a lot easier to get people to act against their dick landlord than a boss they might have an alright relationship with on a personal level.
The second are anti-austerity campaign, specifically in education. Anti-education cuts orgs tend to be really good for organising elements of the rural proletariat (both working, farming, artisanal, and professional middle class types) since they are aimed towards a single topic that puts the antagonist with the central government (again, sidestepping the "I know them" issue that can arise with unionisation in rural communities), and it is inherently a group that is critical of neoliberalism. The main issue is that such groups tend to either be apolitical (some have turned away Momentum help because they don't want to be seen as run by the group) or the bloody lib dems get there first. Still, a lot of Southern English towns (which can be as much in the shit as the north) have these orgs now and there is a growing network, it should be imperative for labour to embed members into them in leadership roles. Ofc this doesn't help in Scotland because they have their own thing going but still.
But yeah, a lot of Labour isn't thinking like this: they aren't thinking about putting down the organisational roots of the party that Attlee and others cultivated in the 1930s to ensure that in 45 it was the largest labour vote share in history: they are more focus on immediacy rather than long term thinking.

Still, fuck knows what's gonna happen in this country right now: we don't even know if we're gonna be in the EU next month.

Aiden Hill
Aiden Hill

Oh as for the tories: their great strength is they have money for mail-campaigns. Unironically, they are super effective.

Carter Reyes
Carter Reyes

lmao

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Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

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Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

wasn't the postal ballet turnout a lot lower last election due to the oldies being shafted by Conservative austerity and dying off?

Having said that, I vaguely remember this from election night. I think the reasonings are assumptions i've attached. fwiw.

Adam Clark
Adam Clark

Oh no I don't mean postal ballots, but electoral materials sent by post.

Christopher Foster
Christopher Foster

Tfw both your posts get digits like that

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Chase Ortiz
Chase Ortiz

You bet your ass it would
youtube.com/watch?v=8AmTbcPKQaA
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS, MARADONA HANDBALL 86 BEST MOMENT OF MY LIFE

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Jacob Ramirez
Jacob Ramirez

The way Blairites and Bennites tacitly and probably unconsciously co-ordinated to have "Old Labour" become most strongly with 1983 and Benn would make for a fascinating sociology paper or something.

Matthew Torres
Matthew Torres

youtu.be/fRBvA9LAZoM
Goebbelian propaganda

amazing. Will he ever be allowed back, anons?

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

Nah mate, Galloway bit-off the islamist pill hard.

Hunter Rogers
Hunter Rogers

The fuck lads? I've been avoiding the news because it's just been wall to wall kvetching for weeks, and Keith Flint's died?

I'm the firestarter, twisted firestarter.

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Parker Anderson
Parker Anderson

Wait. What?! FUCK!! :<
Rave In Peace

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Isaac Thompson
Isaac Thompson

anyone got a list of far-left/pro corbyn motions passed at conference since 2015?

Jose Kelly
Jose Kelly

the biggest and most consistent mistake i make in my life is to imagine that blairites and centrist dads have done more (or at least as much) reading and research to back up their ideology as i have done for mine.
it really is the stupidest ideology. i'm almost kind of mindboggled by it. at least the right have their conspiracy theories, their own little tomes, blairism is basically propped up by social circles of people who know or know of one another without any ideological substance.

nothing is worse than trying to understand the position of a man who has no understandable justification for his position, not even an honest statement of gut-instinct or just-because.

Justin Baker
Justin Baker

He's killing the invaders somewhere better now.

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

Ironically they cannot separate shit the EU has done and shit Blair did. Funniest one was someone thanking daddy Blair for the pub-smoking ban: pretty sure that was an EU directive.

Adrian Nguyen
Adrian Nguyen

This isn't even actually about supporting Corbyn's decisions. Remember this little weakling also got bullied by other pundits into turning against Corbyn before the last election. Owen Jones is just a bona fide coward who is physically incapable of standing up against the tide of (media constructed) "public opinion." I 100% guarantee he will be the first to abandon the government if the going gets tough after they're elected.

Seriously mark my words Owen Jones will abandon Labour in the event of a capital strike or other serious ruling class resistance.

The reason momentum issues these types of mealy-mouthed statements is because people like John Lansman are still living in the 1960's when many Jews were working class socialists. They need to accept that most British Jews (though not all obviously) are hostile to labour because they are an economically privileged group and under the influence of an ethno-tribalist spook (aka Zionism).

Sebastian Collins
Sebastian Collins

We've been taking a beating recently but people are starting to mount a counter offence on the melts.

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Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

libs self-purging
bad

Gabriel Robinson
Gabriel Robinson

Fuck off American.

Cooper Torres
Cooper Torres

Momnetum's head office has a serious democracy problem, I think there were internal elections last year and there are no plans to have any more which is pretty fucked up. There is also currently zero accountability for those in charge which is pissing off the members since the whole point of momentum was that it was a grass roots organisation.

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

Tbh Momentum has been falling apart since the Labour Party Conference. Effectively the org has relied on using existing structures and its ability to get people to go places to do things, the problem is that when it tries to change them it does them in a bone-headed "Let's not talk to anyone else" sort of way. That's why their proposal got blocked by the unions, because they didn't bother to fucking ask the unions if there was something they could put in it so they could pass it. Since then it has been on a decline because this attitude towards activism has shown it can't actually achieve stuff. You know what they could have done to ensure Open Selection passed? Add in a bit about affiliated union members being able to take part. That's fucking it, Unite and the GMB would have loved that shit. But nooooo, that would require talking to people and building a consensus rather than saying "OH LOOK AT ME I'M RIGHT". Honestly pisses me off.

David Turner
David Turner

Add in a bit about affiliated union members being able to take part.
Sounds like a no brainer. So what is happening to the Momentumn members? They still sticking around in their local labour party roster?

Christian Smith
Christian Smith

Sounds like a no brainer.
It is a fucking no brainer, like legit if you want a working class party giving trade union members the ability to decide upon their MP (especially in safe seats) is a logical idea. Not only does it ensure your motion gets passed (since most if not all the TUs would support the idea) but it enhances the concept of working class democracy within the Labour Party.
As for what's happening to members, well you can tell membership has been declining for a while since they used to post how many members they'd gained in a week before like October so you can see it has been a long term decline. I imagine those leaving Momentum are remaining in their CLPs mind.
One thing though, Momentum was always bound to split sooner or later: the issue is that the org hasn't really moved beyond being a campaign group for Jeremy Corbyn's Leadership campaign. So when Corbyn retires it will have no direction to go: especially if there are two equally solid leftwing candidates.

Gabriel Russell
Gabriel Russell

A cross-party alliance of peers defeated the government by 207 votes to 141 - a majority of 66 - on an amendment calling on the government to negotiate a customs union with the EU.

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara, shadow international trade minister said: “The success of this cross-party Lords motion gives both the government and the House of Commons a chance to step back from the disaster of a ‘no deal’, and to deliver an outcome which would satisfy the clear majority of people in the UK.

“Ministers must now drop their red lines on Brexit and embark on a fresh approach to the negotiations with the EU – based around a new customs union that protects jobs, secures opportunities for our industries and removes the need for a hard border in Ireland.”

The bill is due back in the Commons before Brexit day - and if the government wants to remove the customs union amendment, it will have to persuade MPs to vote to do so.

Am i understanding this correctly? Will the Govt. have to now go back and negotiate for a Customs Union? Seems like a changer from my limited understanding.

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

Only after it gets approved by the commons, but if Parliament can compel foreign policy is a tricksey one.
The big thing was that Corbyn was meeting with two tory backbenchers today trying to get the thing passed.

I think this is the game plan: get a CU without state aid passed, call a second referendum, Corbyn campaigns in favour of the brexit deal.

Ryan Jackson
Ryan Jackson

I was thinking that if they could force a deal with a customs union they'd probably backtrack on the second ref.

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

The problem seems to stem entirely from its centralised London leadership, not only is this causing it to ignore the TU's but it's also going wildly off mission with its participation in the AS witch hunt. I wonder who could be behind it :^)
a CU without state aid
I really can't see the EU going for this

Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

It's pretty obvious that 'the establishment'' are deliberately conspiring to push the 'Labour antisemitism' narrative.
How would you go about proving it quantitatively though? Any Media Studies anons out there? Or social media analysts? Memologists?

Academics, how would you apply your field to this problem?

Justin Nguyen
Justin Nguyen

People arn't interested in proof. It's just sad at this point.. It's been brought up time and time again in the media and comments around the various hit-pieces. Problem is that nobody gives a fuck, the lie sells papers and writing the truth or anything else that deviates from the current narrative likely isn't going to change that.

Ryder Wood
Ryder Wood

momentum are liberals
posting in a brit thread despite know literally nothing about British politics
Yankee go home

Adrian Miller
Adrian Miller

Tbh it's kinda reaching a point where people don't buy it though. Remember how racist was a way more powerful slur before Farage just told them to sod-off?

Jayden Carter
Jayden Carter

britfa.gs/pol/res/84895 50.html
not saying this board and thread has at least one centrist dad who it's fun to annoy but this board and thread has at least one centrist dad who it's fun to annoy

Jaxson Nelson
Jaxson Nelson

see some city radlibs start using the word POC
know full well as soon as they start saying it off their closed comment articles they're going to get trolled constantly
Not gonna lie I'm looking forward to the unending stream of "What's the difference between people of colour and coloured people?" and the amount of cross contamination salt from the Americans.

Hunter Cooper
Hunter Cooper

Honestly the weird thing was that someone under the age of 60 is using the term coloured. Like when I hear it from my grandpa's neighbour who is in her 80s (ironically she used in an anti-racist context god bless her) yeah that's par for the course but Rudd is what, in her 40s? Legit, it's weird.

John Clark
John Clark

Yeah that's true, I just used to get annoyed with it but now I've realised there's going to be no end game to bringing the language over here outside of unending trolling of easily angered libs.

Carson Smith
Carson Smith

I mean PoC makes no sense in a british context also, since it is meant to be about African Americans and that (but the term got confusing when actual Africans started coming to America as immigrants).
Also Rudd is 55, still my dad is that age and "coloured" is fucking weird. Like he grew-up saying Paki but he dropped that after the 70s.

Michael Perez
Michael Perez

Just found this on twitter. The political compass is reaching new heights of "WDTMBT?"

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David Ortiz
David Ortiz

Oh yeah here's the tweet it was under.

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Jose Lee
Jose Lee

I wish we could just be done with the political compass as a concept. It does nothing but annoy me.

Jackson Williams
Jackson Williams

i'm sorry if this sounds dumb but is communism de facto leftist and capitalism de facto rightist? how long has the current left/right political spectrum existed?

Nathan Foster
Nathan Foster

Corbyn quoting Chomsky
Well then.

Grayson Brooks
Grayson Brooks

Yes, abolition of private property is de facto leftist, and preservation of private property is de facto right-wing. Political spectrum is a retarded internet meme and all those shitty self-evaluation tests, since it is actually a binary.

Thomas Kelly
Thomas Kelly

2832684
Future british PM quoting Chomsky unironically.
WTF even is this timeline?!

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Charles Lopez
Charles Lopez

Why? Chomsky is like basic bitch lukewarm left-wing thought.

Camden Stewart
Camden Stewart

Could you have imagined Blair, Brown, Clegg, Cameron or Milliband quoting Chomsky?

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

Soo… Corbyn confirmed to be left-wing is good, I guess?

Mason Walker
Mason Walker

what the fuck are you even talking about m8? yank leave.

Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

Quoting Chumpsky is the bare minimum for a SuccDem like Corbyn.
Nationalist posturing
How many of you idiots wandered over from 4/pol/?

Jackson Reyes
Jackson Reyes

Nigger your first post in this thread was totally retarded/completely wrong and is the gold standard of why nobody wants Americans to post ITT.

John Carter
John Carter

Did I miss something since pro-EU libs whining about Corbyn not stopping Brexit and threatening to leave Momentum?

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

You've missed enough to be making yourself look silly, it's all in the thread ffs.
tl;dr: Momentum has got rid of democracy, which is bad because the leader is a kvetching Zionist faggot that is dragging Labour through the mud.

Wyatt Rodriguez
Wyatt Rodriguez

pro-Corbyn org
headed by a fucking Zionist
Ya got meme'd on by an opportunist. So why don't you guys just kill him?

Jacob Jackson
Jacob Jackson

Stop acting like a literal teenager. Please.

Austin Turner
Austin Turner

I don't think anyone cares enough to do it, political assassins in this country tend to be unhinged lunatics, and there's the obvious sticking point of it possibly backfiring massively as the public don't really have the stomach for violence. Outside of that there's people putting pressure on him to democratise and others setting up new orgs, so he could just be memeing himself out of relevance and into being maligned by pretty much everyone besides at most 60,000 people in the whole country (left wing Jewish population).
It's largely an activism group that has little bearing outside of being a social media propaganda outlet when there's no elections so him being a very visible nuisance makes him no worse than the other very visible nuisances within the Labour party and media in general.

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

Okay, I understand that Momentum is not worth caring about, and thus not worth killing for, but opportunists will keep hounding you until shown this shit has consequences.

Christopher Gray
Christopher Gray

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How true is this meme?

Xavier Martinez
Xavier Martinez

9/10
Like I had to use a VPN to watch porn at uni in my first year because the wifi blocked it.
Also if the idiots in Westminster don't think kids won't steal their parent's credit cards to watch porn they need to watch more Fortnite vids.

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

Small question, what the fuck is wrong with your country? I'm pretty sure that even in US with all the evangelicals this kind of shit wouldn't fly. I mean, what is even the reasoning, is it all just "muh children" hysteria? Also,don't you also have a ban on anal sex or did that thing never pass?

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

Mums, mums of all stripes: home counties mums are protective, Londoner mums are protective, Scottish mums are real fucking protective, northern mums are protective. It is a weird thing that anti-p0rn is actually a sectional thing rather than an ideological thing. Also a part of it is that we don't really have a "lol dude weed lamo" libertarian tradition so nobody puts their heads above the parapet one issues like this.
I have never heard anything about banning anal tbh.

Camden Sullivan
Camden Sullivan

They often do this shit but how successful it will be in implementation I don't know. I can't remember the details but I remember some kinda moderation coming in years ago but I never actually noticed anything happen.

I'm not really sure but the other lads probably right that we do kinda have a problem with people getting pretty hysterical about kids protection. Gets fueled pretty hard by tabloids and the like as well cause shit like that sells papers. Recently there was some rubbish about people hacking into your kids computers and making them kill themselves to the point where some schools were sending out letters about this obvious BS. Maybe part of it is also due to the fact these people are just ingorant and almost scared of computers.

Or it could just be that nordVPN is lobbying parliament to sell more subscriptions.

Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

Also,don't you also have a ban on anal sex or did that thing never pass?
Calling bs on this rn.

My question would be in response why do americans care about stuff like this so much that they look on in absolute horror when they see these things implemented? So porn sites will be blocked. Hardly the issue of the century.

Austin Perry
Austin Perry

Momentum are fucking liberals though lol. You fucking idiots have been hoodwinked yet again.

Joseph Campbell
Joseph Campbell

Nobody is denying that you fucking mongoloid. What people object to is that you keep speewing clueless nonsense like a special needs kid because you're to gormless to read a newspaper or use a fucking search engine. Contrary to your autistic posts being able to point out that things are shit or liberal isn't a replacement for having a clue.

Grow up you literal autist.

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

I'm not even the dude you were arguing with. Take your ritalin and go to sleep.

Daniel Adams
Daniel Adams

don't you also have a ban on anal sex or did that thing never pass?
there's a ban on (maybe just the production of?) all kinds of "extreme porn"
there's no ban on actually doing most of the actions themselves, only on making and possibly viewing it. (i'm not googling the law, i'm working from memory.)

basically the government has quietly declared war on virgins.

Justin Sanchez
Justin Sanchez

Porn normalizing anal sex is unironically a bad thing. Some women may like it, but turning it into a "requirement" in sexual activity is fucking horrible. There have been cases of people, pressured into anal sex, receiving permanent damage.

Fuck it, ban all porn. Something like 40% of all porn depicts violence against women. Additionally, it serves to commodify sex.

I'm fine with people releasing amateur erotic content, but people involved in the creation(not porn stars, but the people funding it), sale, and distribution of commercial pornography should be sent straight to the gulag.

Lucas Smith
Lucas Smith

unironically this. I seriously don't expect this to go down well here though.

Daniel Robinson
Daniel Robinson

broke: ban professionally produced porn
woke: ban the normalisation of sexuality in society at large, not out of a prudish sense of offence but out of a mature sense of disinterest in sex outside the bedroom.
bespoke: the above but also tax furries at 10000000% (not hyperbolic figure)

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

coke: ban all 3d porn and normalize 2d porn

Dominic Torres
Dominic Torres

So that ISIS schoolgirl's baby died due to the cruel and reactionary policies of this government, they should be ashamed of themselves for so blatantly breaking the law to try establish some populist/right wing tabloid credibility over the continued Brexit fiasco. I guess it's just one life in the scheme of things but it's a symbol of the problem.

Oliver Cook
Oliver Cook

oh please don't start this again… Nobody gives a shit.

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Hudson Hall
Hudson Hall

Sorry you consider that bait, I guess she and her baby got what was coming for decisions made age 15 right?

Jack Brown
Jack Brown

You are both equally retarded spergs that bring nothing to the table, though.

Decisions she made right into adulthood and didn't regret. Won't somebody PLEASE think of the babbies?

Alexander Thomas
Alexander Thomas

ALL WE ARE SAYEEEEEN
IS GIVE HER A CHAAAAANCE

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Aiden Myers
Aiden Myers

*sips wine*
archive.fo/vVt3P

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Evan Harris
Evan Harris

115 i.q take

Sebastian Watson
Sebastian Watson

Don't want to buy our video game? You're a homophobe!
Don't want to vote for a shitty politician? You're a sexist!
Don't want to swallow capitalist exploitation? You're an anti-semite!
I need Zizek to explain to me if this is a mere tactic, or a genuine pathology.

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Hudson Mitchell
Hudson Mitchell

Look at this I found just below on the front page. Mein gott.

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Kevin Barnes
Kevin Barnes

The momo challenge is pretty popular here in México, don't have any young pals so i don't know if it's only kids who fall for that shit. I would say fake news here are worse, some people get worked up over fake massive group messages and there's some states where the police is so incompetent people have started doing justice by themselves, which isn't good obviously, a young man and his uncle got burned for being accused of being child kidnappers.

Jordan Price
Jordan Price

The two articles are written by the same person, in the first he's spreading an establishment smear.

Lincoln Young
Lincoln Young

i know, just wanted to share something about my country in a thread about another country to shit it up

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

Both
Most people aren't liars, but they are very good at believing things that are convenient for themselves, align with their own self-image and place in the world, etc, even if from an outside perspective this appears delusional and bizarre.

Josiah Bennett
Josiah Bennett

Unironically Momo sounds like an SCP tbh.

Lincoln Evans
Lincoln Evans

Left-wing antisemitism is suddenly an issue in the UK, the USA and France all at once (and maybe other countries I'm not aware of). That's the best proof that it's a co-ordinated smear.

The baby died because of its mother's citizenship status
The government could only have saved the baby by bringing it and its sociopathic mother back to the UK as a matter of urgency, which would have been mad. This is no more sad (and arguably less so) than the thousands of infant deaths that occur every day.

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

lol

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Jace Rivera
Jace Rivera

gammon
a term to describe middle-aged or older white men, particularly those on the political right or who supported Brexit, who appear pink-faced when emotional
taking the piss out of traditional tory voters who will keep voting tory no matter what
this is the new chav
searing hot take right there

James Scott
James Scott

Nobody cares about the isis woman and her dead baby. If you're going to try to bait this retarded fucking argument again at least have the decency not to claim ignorance.

Benjamin Butler
Benjamin Butler

Personally I believe that porn sites should be banned from making money, sure they can keep porn on their platform, but they won't be able to make a single fucking penny off of it.

Brody Collins
Brody Collins

Age 15 is old enough that you should know not to join a religious fanatical terror cell

Ethan Young
Ethan Young

What the fuck is wrong with you guys? jesus fucking christ, no that is not an age to make good decisions, that's why you don't live alone at that age or should have babies at that age or anything for that matter. Also you are a retarded wrecker that tries to shill for surveillance.

Colton Brown
Colton Brown

yeetus that isis feetus

Aiden Wright
Aiden Wright

STFU

Brandon Lewis
Brandon Lewis

yeah i don't want to derail the thread, i call truce

John Parker
John Parker

metro.co.uk/2019/03/08/national-service-compulsory-young-says-chuka-umunna-8863687/?ito=article.amp.share.top.twitter
the melts want to bring back conscription
What is it with Centrist wanks wanting national service?

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

lol i remember when this was a gordon brown policy
at least when they're telegraphing blair they've got a cargo cult around a period when (not) labour won elections.

and a new model of ‘public benefit’ companies to run the utility services
this could actually be interesting but now i'm annoyed because if TIG pushes the concept they'll definitely fuck it up and discredit it.
the idea of private trusts set up to achieve a certain goal without direct government management or ownership always seemed like a useful entity, especially on internet matters. imagine, for example, a social media trust set up to improve communication - free to moderate as necessary for quality and civility, without the pressure to data-mine to give shareholders a return, but legally as much a private entity as facebook and so somewhat free of govt. interference.

Eli Cooper
Eli Cooper

Jesus, when did Gordon Brown get so old?

Joseph Watson
Joseph Watson

I mean tbh QUANGOs but they run your water are gonna be shit, I mean this is basically the BBC. Stuff like what's in Alternative Models of Ownership that involve member-coops for utilities are better because they allow for accountability from the general public, rather than the BBC which is just out of touch now.
Saving the union drained him of his mana.

Adam Diaz
Adam Diaz

God bless him for bullshitting in order to keep the Pound when every centrist dummy wanted muh Euro

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Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

Cargo cults
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip_Movement
Btw there's one that worship Prince Fucking Phillip.

Alexander Edwards
Alexander Edwards

Ironic that the best PM this country has had in 40 years also served the least amount of time.

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

the best PM this country has had in 40 years
at first glance i was baffled at this statement and realising that its true really rubs it in how fucked we are and just how long we've been fucked.

Blake Powell
Blake Powell

I mean legit, unless you count Sunny Jim (which I do not) then the last good PM Britain had was Wilson. Fucking Wilson.

Nathan Hernandez
Nathan Hernandez

shame our press is so terrible, it'd be great for a newspaper to go digging through all the pro-Euro stuff and publish embarrassing statements from people who would rather forget what they said back in the halcyon days of the 2001 election.
looking back on the campaign to join the euro is one of the things that made me realise just how incompetent everyone in power is and has been for a long time. like, you imagine the government are some kind of elites, maybe vaguely malevolent, maybe misguided, but they're absolutely clueless and they only get away with it because the public are as well. you had people talking about the euro preventing governments from being forced to devalue the pound ages after we moved to a free floating exchange rate.
i guess it's because i expect MPs to be a sort of ideologue political economist-sociologist-activist-orator mix, while the reality is a glorified end-of-the-line social worker with a vague desire to do good/stop bad or see the good team win, without any real grounded conception of what good and bad are.

Even with Brown, for all the credit he definitely deserves, I would not be surprised if the primary influence on his anti-Euro position was Blair being in favour and Brown wanting to assert power and influence rather than the economic reality that the Euro was a bad idea. His mentor John Smith was keen on the Exchange Rate Mechanism, which was also a terrible idea. I'm still not quite sure why. Either it was a cynical triangulation with Tory policy, or the fact Smith was a Europhile.

Dominic Sanchez
Dominic Sanchez

Tbf before European eastward expansion eternally integrating with Western European sounded like a great idea for everyone: remember one of the biggest europhiles was her.

Nolan Walker
Nolan Walker

I mean the integration itself isn't completely unworkable. A United States of Europe has some merit, but the Euro and the current Eurozone are the worst of all possible worlds. Less integrated and countries could run their own economies with the right interest rates, more integrated and you could set a single interest rate then move money from the beneficiary countries to the loser countries like the US federal government does between states. The balance of power between pro and anti-Europeans seems aligned to maintain the status quo for a while longer, though Brexit may change that one way or the other.

Liam Evans
Liam Evans

the economic reality that the Euro was a bad idea
Oh I think the Treasury autists would have made it quite clear - "Basically, Chancellor, you would be sewing yourself into straightjacket that would be tightened whenever Germans get fears of inflation. Which they do all the time."

Thomas Jackson
Thomas Jackson

Eh with how a lot of right-wing eurosceptics have pivoted from being for leaving to "reforming the EU" shit is about to get turned to hell n Brussels. Fortress Europa is gonna be real soon enough.
I mean also the entire shitshow that was pegging the pound to the Hard ECU with interest rates should have shown it was a bad idea…
Honestly the Euro is a shit fiscal instrument, it is more of a macro thing. It makes sense economically if someone can go from Bonn to Maastricht or from Donegal to Armagh and not have to change currency or worse: have duel tender.

Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

19 days, 19 fucking days.

Jacob Russell
Jacob Russell

Interesting, turns out that the people behind the big porn sites, are pretty much behind the scheme for this "Porn pass" idiocy

twitter.com/nemof/status/1104732717873287168

Hunter Walker
Hunter Walker

/surely/ they can't go ahead with brexit like this? when nobody wants it, not even the rich?

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

But switching to Euro would be good for Britain? In fact, so good, that exit wouldn't be contemplated. Is that what you meant?

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Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

Nah, that Brown was a major opponent of joining the Euro.

Joshua Clark
Joshua Clark

Ah, doing the right thing by accident, how quaint.

British economy is strong, while Euro would artificially pull the value of the Pound down, which would be extremely good for exports. It would boost British economy, brain drain and depress the weaker economies in the EU. EU, which started between German and French porkies still has Germany and France as number one and two in export revenues for this reason. France is much lower because strong unions and has a tendency to set itself on fire. With Euro, Britain would join Germany in cleaning house, and Brexit would never even be contemplated.

worldstopexports.com/top-european-export-countries/

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

What do you think of the Off-Guardian? It has a lot of based articles but it also slurps Vladimir Putin's cock to a suspicious degree.

I find it so strange that Corbyn is older than both Blair and Brown.

Hope you're joking fam.

Easton Roberts
Easton Roberts

Off-Guardian
just read this comment there:
I’m beginning to think that airbrushing away Trotsky’s followers one of the best things Stalin ever did.

kek

Cooper White
Cooper White

What is up with the 1st pic of OP? Two kids boasting to have gay sex with each other?

Off-Guardian
Please make a better web design

Jordan Garcia
Jordan Garcia

I'm surprised not more people have made this connection, this is the entire strategy of "Free Market" economics, whereby the Bourgeoisie ingratiate themselves more directly in State affairs, Collude & Sabotage, leading directly to problems like monopolization, which are then blamed on the state themselves, opening up the door for more Free Market Orthodoxy. There are a ton of angles for this porn pass thing for both Mindgeek & The British Government. It's likely that on top of the marginal benefit of increased passport aquisition (it's mostly just being used as an incentive to pay for the passes to maintain your privacy), those that don't pay are likely having their personal information built in some kind of new database which both Mindgeek & Portes have access to, and can sell for analytics & advertising, but also the British State can use for things that they can't use other Databases for. And the genius of it all is that it's being fronted as a question of "public decency", and perfectly plays into a Nanny State narrative that all of the media will push, further enforcing Free Market Orthodoxy.

Charles Rogers
Charles Rogers

Interesting proposal today to scrap tax free allowance (effectively starting it at £1) and replacing the allowance with a basic income of £48 a week (which would net someone on 25k a year slightly above atm, more for those below that obviously) up until you earn 125k income. Basically introducing a very small UBI and increasing taxes on those earning over 125k. Pretty crafty ngl.

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

What is up with the 1st pic of OP? Two kids boasting to have gay sex with each other?
I took away that it was two kids thinking that they would show how grown up and cool they are by having a condom and taking a picture with it without realising the implication. I put it in the OP because it made me laugh.

Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

Lidington about to drop some spicy gossip in the commons lads

Austin Sullivan
Austin Sullivan

Oh wait its fucking nothing
Can=Kicked

Carson Sanders
Carson Sanders

What was it?

Hunter Richardson
Hunter Richardson

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47533164

PM officially got the EU to state the fucking obvious, it changes basically nothing

Wyatt Lopez
Wyatt Lopez

We're going into tomorow with literally nothing changed since the last vote. Should be interesting..

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

So the ERG and JRM might aupport this "new" deal but the DUP are daying no.

Nathan Taylor
Nathan Taylor

The ERG a d DUP are saying no to the new desl now. Everything is fucked, buckle up buckaroos.

Noah Taylor
Noah Taylor

So it is a no go?

Jackson Murphy
Jackson Murphy

Basically yeah.

Anthony Cooper
Anthony Cooper

Walker has been all over the radio and tv today saying the PM should step down and/or there should be a general election if this doesn't go through. The men in grey suits are coming for her perhaps. Interesting times?

Landon Reyes
Landon Reyes

Walker?

Liam Hernandez
Liam Hernandez

DUP are saying they will vote against now, not just abstain on it, its over, May's done

Get ready for the 2nd referendum bois

Asher Bell
Asher Bell

Unless May supports it, a second referendum won't happen.

Landon Lee
Landon Lee

Charles Walker, chair of the 1922, etc.

I think u mean GA, sonny jim.

Jack Ortiz
Jack Ortiz

I thought Brady was the 1922 Chair?
Also CCHQ is planning to run an EU Parl election campaign…

Ayden Roberts
Ayden Roberts

GA? Are you the fucking Riddler or something?

William Watson
William Watson

I assume they meant GE.

Asher Perez
Asher Perez

Noooo fuck no dude

Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

Just embrace it user, embrace the chaos.

Matthew Edwards
Matthew Edwards

Vice Chair, sorry.

Yea, GE. Sorry again. in my defense i went to bed at 8:30 this morning. two hours sleep!

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

Tbh lads, are we in Glass Gang territory.

Ethan Young
Ethan Young

Who's getting snacks in for a night of political shit posting?
I'm making burgers and chips from scratch at the minute, wish I still drank, smashing a 20 deck of tenants with a load of liberals the night of the referendum was bants

Looks like there's nothing going on, we've got a few hours until the vote tonight

Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

Seumas Milne is very clearly ourguy. Does anyone have any great or interesting footage of him talking?

Julian Phillips
Julian Phillips

He doesn't do public speaking: he's a very private person.
Also fun fact, the press corps actually kinda like him because when asked for comment he is clear and direct.

Jayden Allen
Jayden Allen

Eh you can't get people hyped for this kind of shit.
Still, if we have another election I'm gonna be seshing all night at uni.

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

Voting. dos gon be gud, anons!

Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

Loss of 150.

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

Actually 149 user.

Dylan Rodriguez
Dylan Rodriguez

No's have it by 149
A smaller oof than last time, but an oof all the same

Brody Carter
Brody Carter

Second largest commons defeat in History.
Theresa May has both of them to her name.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

Also there is gonna be a vote on no deal tomorrow.

Mason Allen
Mason Allen

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Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

So what are we expecting tomorrow? Would voting No mean no Brexit? I thought Juncker said that they are done negotiating….wjat would be the point on voting against a no deal?

Wyatt Harris
Wyatt Harris

The Commons will vote against no deal, only about 120 MPs are actually for it.

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

only about 120 MPs are actually for it.
if even that.

Ethan Long
Ethan Long

Are you lads ready for two more years of Brexit faggotry?

Joseph Watson
Joseph Watson

Eh ERG plus a couple of Labour wanks, adds up to about that.

Levi Cook
Levi Cook

If no "no deal" doesn't pass, the delay vote after it would likely pass, right?

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

We're not 100% sure, but it is reasonable to say it might (without May's support, probs only by about 30 votes or so).

Cameron Nguyen
Cameron Nguyen

No deal is defacto and it's more like voting on an extension request, the EU say they'll only give two years extension though.

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

afaik not all of the ERG are full no-dealers.>>2836519

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

And what if it isn't solved in two years?

Matthew Hernandez
Matthew Hernandez

He's not taken the civil war 2 anthrax boogaloo pill

Aiden Rodriguez
Aiden Rodriguez

He means two months user.

Gabriel Thomas
Gabriel Thomas

The EU rolls its eyes and gives the UK more time to figure out what kind of shitty deal it will settle for

The UK is a big enough country that the EU can't really tell it to just get fucked but the longer we drag it out and the more incompetent the govt look the less patience the EU will have for us

Jordan Bennett
Jordan Bennett

Probably ask for another extension lmao

I don't.

Colton James
Colton James

The EU said it won't extend beyond the EU elections, which are in 2 months…

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

Well a while back they were saying they would only extend for two years.

Juan Murphy
Juan Murphy

Gotta source on that mate?

Alexander Gomez
Alexander Gomez

The EU won't agree to extend past the elections before the elections have taken place

If the elections go as expected they'll grant a longer extension but won't promise anything after the elections until after the elections, which is fairly sensible

Nicholas Powell
Nicholas Powell

Honestly after all this shit I wouldn't be surprised if this mess continues till next general elections in 2022

Joseph Young
Joseph Young

standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-brussels-will-insist-on-delay-of-up-to-two-years-if-uk-fails-to-agree-deal-a4077851.html

Ethan Peterson
Ethan Peterson

I mean it will: gotta remember there is an 18 month transition period even if May's deal has been passed today.

Parker Myers
Parker Myers

Do you guys really think that the EU will extend it by so much ? What is the EU hoping for? Haven't the two largest defeats in parliament's history been enough evidence that May's deal (which I am assuming is supposed to be the best the EU is willing to offer) is not going to pass? What would they have to change to keep everyone at the table happy so it can pass?

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John Smith
John Smith

I think the EU just want it over and fucking done with, without having the pain of a no deal or fecking over Ireland (this is a big test for the EU, since them sticking up for Ireland sends a message to other small states in Eastern Europe that they will do this for them too).

Cameron Davis
Cameron Davis

But people are saying that they'll extend it by 2 YEARS! I just don't understand the logic behind them doing that. What on earth could they possibly do to win over enough people to their side?

Noah Perry
Noah Perry

That just appears to be a rando report from some nameless eurocrat: I wouldn't give it much credence.

Adam Long
Adam Long

What are the chances this ends up being one of those quirky historical facts like 'technically its legal to shoot a scotsman with a bow and arrow on a sunday within the city walls of york' or whatever, but it's like 'technically the UK is still within negotiations to leave the EU - 50 years on!

Jaxson Clark
Jaxson Clark

Would be the most british solution tbh.

Hudson Cooper
Hudson Cooper

Rumbling on Kuenssberg's twitter that they might have a third fucking go at getting this abortion through

Fuck me, just let it die

Easton Lopez
Easton Lopez

Erhm, excuse, I just want to say something:
THE FUCKERS WHO FIRED ON GOOD FRIDAY ARE GOING ON TRAIL
Thank you.
buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/fears-second-meaningful-vote-wont-pass-pms-brexit-deal
It appears so.

Nolan Sullivan
Nolan Sullivan

This season of politics is shit, so fucking dull and repetitive. Can't wait for it to be over.

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

What are you talking about we are about to have THE Bloody Sunday trail. Just wait for that to kick-off.

Landon Mitchell
Landon Mitchell

Yeah you're right about that I suppose should be a good episode. Do like reading the wikipedia edits on pages relating to stuff like that. It's just been people editing the same things back and forth for years. Wonder how many times people have changed Derry to Londonderry or vice-versa across that site.

Henry Sullivan
Henry Sullivan

Brexitcast twats are saying texts from Barniers camp indicate the EU think the deal is completely dead, and that there's no point going for a third time round

Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

Yeah I've seen that too.

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

Funny thing is if we had another vote of no confidence May would be more likely to win than before.
This is due to the TIG promising to back her government.

Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

Oi, ye anglo-saxon bastards. The neoliberal behemoth shall never let you go. Now go sit in the corner without voting rights and take it.

Anglo-shitstons.

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

I want May to fucking choke on her little cuck deal tbh, nobody wants it! Just fuck off!

them sticking up for Ireland sends a message to other small states in Eastern Europe that they will do this for them too
The EU doesn't give a fuck about smaller states it's just a stick to beat the UK with.

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

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Nathaniel Thompson
Nathaniel Thompson

2836988
You ok there?

Carson Hill
Carson Hill

Unironically ultratory brexiteers are more likely to no confidence her than the Tiggers.

Cooper Parker
Cooper Parker

Hopefully once the people's vote is called after today (When Brexit was pretty much shown to all as the failure we were telling you it was going to be for years) we will be able to reverse this fucking mistake that Farage and his ilk tricked us into

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

Yes we love the United States of Europe over here on /lbp/. Can't wait for my totally socialist state owned corporation competing on the free market for a tender on a contract to manage natural monopolies and not being allowed to go a fraction of a degree to the left of that.

Parker Allen
Parker Allen

Farage man bad

Alexander Ortiz
Alexander Ortiz

You aren't a socialist if you don't support leaving the EU. Its pretty simple really

Andrew King
Andrew King

"Lexit" has been nothing but part delusion peddled by Ultra's with no political insight and Tories hoping to sway more leftists in supporting their eventual austerity

If you don't think that the UK leaving the EU under a Tory / DUP goverment wouldn't result in the darkest era of Austerity and gutting that the nations has seen since thatcher then your delusional

Christian Peterson
Christian Peterson

"Lexit" has been nothing but part delusion peddled by Ultra's with no political insight
Pretty fucking rich, only chapos and radlibs think there's a left wing remain.
If you don't think that the UK leaving the EU under a Tory / DUP goverment wouldn't result in the darkest era of Austerity and gutting that the nations has seen since thatcher then your delusional
For two years, tops, whereas the EU is forever. This take is fucking ice cold and it's cute you're saying anyone else has zero political insight.

Lucas Anderson
Lucas Anderson

. Lexit isn't about ultra shit its about really simple soc-dem policies with stuff like : not getting the NHS sold off; being able to have nationalised industry (properly nationalised not like France and Germany where the state owns a majority in a company); getting out of the free market rules; getting out of free movement of people. Austerity in the UK is already shit the EU has done nothing to stop it being more shit (outside maybe the ECJ which I would still like to be a member of). The thing with Brexit is that it is impossible to achieve socialism inside the EU, it literally has in its founding legal documents the need for free market capitalism it is nothing but an undemocratic, Thatcherite institution. Oblivious there is a risk that the economy gets worse however if your arent willing to take the risk of leaving the EU then your not going to take the risk of going from capitalism to socialism, of which leaving the EU is a necessary step. Also in the long term leaving the EU will fuck the Tory party up which is always good. More importantly we are looking at another recession in the next few years and its going to hit Europe worse than it will hit the UK so getting out now is better than staying in as the EU collapses. Brexit increases the chance of a labour government which will stop austerity, staying in the EU wont stop it.

Charles Jones
Charles Jones

Inb4 the EU refuses to grant an extension tbh.

Isaiah Bailey
Isaiah Bailey

Also I did vote remain first time but would vote leave again. I understand the whole "austerity will be worse" which is a pretty bullshit argument mainly coming from lib-dems and Blairites who voted for austerity. I forgot to mention that austerity can't really get any worse. The government has been unable to do anything the past year and it will probably continue on that way until a GE

James Cruz
James Cruz

There's no Left-Wing remain
Corbyn's Labour Isn't "Left-Wing" by your standards?

Easton Adams
Easton Adams

Never sure whether there's just one killing fields poster who has the most atrocious wrecker-tier takes or whether the flag is just cursed.

Aiden Anderson
Aiden Anderson

Corbyn is remain
Oh yes the guy who has spent his whole life hating the Eu is suddenly Remain. Labours official position is a soft Brexit anyway. Also the left of the Labour party are all leave now, at least in the area I am.

Jace Russell
Jace Russell

Corbyn isn't a dictator, the problem is that a lot of the members are the sort who think socialism is when you're nice to people, and the EU is super nice. A lot of them have also dug into their remain stance purely due to tribalism.
Even the Labour remain people concede that several of the manifesto points will be impossible in the EU, but that should be a massive red flag as the manifestos over the coming years were supposed to move progressively further left with time. We are already boxed in if we remain.

Carter King
Carter King

2836988
Why is this mentally ill 2009 poster in every thread? why are the mods not deleting them?

Jack Jones
Jack Jones

Deleted posts aren't removed if already loaded on a page.

Ethan Bell
Ethan Bell

oh shit yea, that makes sense. cheers mate.

Noah Hill
Noah Hill

Do you guys really think that the EU will extend it by so much ? What is the EU hoping for?

The the Tories will eventually have to give in, which seems likely after this week, things can't keep going on like this.

Shouldn't they be covered by the Good Friday agreement though?

Josiah Cooper
Josiah Cooper

Pretty sure Good Friday doesn't have protections for the soldiers that fired on bloody sunday.

Blake James
Blake James

This comment invokes so much rage in me. If “New” Labour ever comes to prominence I’m going full Shining Path

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Nicholas Jackson
Nicholas Jackson

Tbh one of the best takes I never saw was this: "There are a load of 50 year old men that love Tony Blair's Labour only because it did the bombing, mass surveillance, and didn't raise taxes. What they don't realise is that the rest of the country didn't really like those things that much".
t. Dawn Foster (roughly).
Honestly if The Tiggers try to go full blairite they're gonna find their base to be pretty fecking small.

Anthony Sanders
Anthony Sanders

Is there anyone who deserves to be punched in the face harder than the "lifelong labour voter" whose first GE was 1997? All those are in their 40's now.

Josiah Brooks
Josiah Brooks

Yes, the "longstanding Labour members" who have quit because "the party has changed" that joined in 2016 to vote for cocking Owen Smith *cough* Jane Merrick *cough*.

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

I'll be going full nihilist-Anarch bombing campaign.
we shall unite.

as an aside, >88
Is this just a nazi account?

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Evan Morales
Evan Morales

Probably born in 1988.

Colton Garcia
Colton Garcia

Are people born just a year before me so faggy? I can't think of someone of our generation unironically loving Blair. Makes no sense.

Christian Rodriguez
Christian Rodriguez

i'm still convinced like 50-70% of blairism is just nostalgia for the myth of Cool Britannia and Britpop in particular.
but then i might be substitute-nostalgic for everyone's 1990s except Britain's, even though they were all objectively terrible missed opportunities, so whatever.

I think it's important to understand that the appeal of Blair is less about policy or substance and more about style. People will say it's about policy, but it's about a style of policy, of radically doing very little. Read Blair's book and take him seriously and it's quite easy to see the appeal to someone who wants office and power to do some moderate good without really understanding where to begin. It's not even style over substance, but style as substance. It's almost a fascinating topic in and of itself. It's a completely different approach to politics, even electoral politics, to ones people of our persuasion are usually familiar with.
(i never finished his book)

John Nguyen
John Nguyen

Interesting. I'll give it a read if i ever see it in a charity shop.or if you want to send me your copy!
Are you saying that the politics of blair is pure spectacle? I think i could agree with that on a level.

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Xavier Peterson
Xavier Peterson

Tbh I'm surprised the EU is holding so firm on the 'no extension without a good reason' line. I thought that was just a tactic to get the deal through Parliament. At this point it makes no-deal much more likely because May can't suddenly bottle it in the last week of the month and get an extension, we would need enough time to have a 2nd referendum bill passed in Parliament (which I'm assuming is the only thing that realistically would justify an extension).

How can you possibly be using such an edgy flag and also think Labour is properly leftist.

John Richardson
John Richardson

Labour is the most leftist mainstream party in Europe right now. Other parties with such left policies (worker co-ownership for firms with 200+ employees, massive nationalization plans) are around 5-10 %. Labour is on 38-48 %.

Liam James
Liam James

the most leftist mainstream party in Europe
The most leftist socdem is still a socdem.

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

Socdems and American larpers SEETHING

Ian Turner
Ian Turner

You going to elaborate on the significance of that?

Oliver Williams
Oliver Williams

I honestly think Brussels at this point is so fucked-off that they cannae be fucked to negotiate anymore.

Kevin Perry
Kevin Perry

Negotiate with what? The autistic bint isn't budging.

Jack Gonzalez
Jack Gonzalez

No that's the point, the EU realises that the UK won't accept anything past its own red lines so it is just not fucking bothering anymore.

Also the government is now whipping against a motion it proposed, so…

Ian Edwards
Ian Edwards

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Julian Cruz
Julian Cruz

Are the Tories actually mad enough lads to just hard brexit and hold on for dear fucking life?

Gabriel Hill
Gabriel Hill

Not interested in getting into a debate. I was merely pointing out the incongruity of the extremist flag and the very limited understanding of what leftism can be.

If that's the case then I think the EU would be better off just saying 'You're not getting an extension under any circumstances. Either pass May's deal or you're out without a deal on the 29th'.

change of prime minister
Actually makes Corbyn's general election demand a plausible way out. I had kind of assumed he was just saying that in bad faith because it allowed him to avoid talking about a 2nd referendum.

Thomas Cook
Thomas Cook

Honestly at this rate it's happen whether we like it or not.

Andrew Davis
Andrew Davis

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995

MPs have voted by 312 to 308 to reject leaving the EU without a withdrawal agreement.

Eli Brown
Eli Brown

I like it I'm just not sure which one the reptilian Tory party thinks gives them a higher chance of survival, second ref or hard brexit.
So, second ref?

Austin Price
Austin Price

So, second ref?
Nah, it is non-binding. But I wouldn't rule-out a midnight article 50 withdrawal on the 29th.

Blake Phillips
Blake Phillips

As of right now, there would be a new vote to delay Brexit again. If that doesn't work and the UK doesn't get together a new deal and vote it in by the 29th, they will automatically leave without a deal.

Josiah Wood
Josiah Wood

I like it I'm just not sure which one the reptilian Tory party thinks gives them a higher chance of survival, second ref or hard brexit.
The only way the tories survive is by passing May's deal: a no deal brexit will nuke their petit-booj SME owner base, article 50 withdrawal will trigger their gammon base.

Adam Hall
Adam Hall

Nah, it is non-binding.
It's just the only real thing we can try to infer out of it, it's a stupid and pointless vote outside of using the result to try and guess what the people voting on it will do next.
But I wouldn't rule-out a midnight article 50 withdrawal on the 29th.
This would piss me off but the salt would be hilarious.
Right, but the EU is being pretty firm on the whole no extensions without reason thing. So they have to either call a second ref, a GE, or negotiate another deal, and they're not going to do the last two.
Everyone hates her little cuck deal though. It's fucking shit.

Lincoln Adams
Lincoln Adams

Shit and obviously they can't negotiate another deal because they've run down the clock so much.

Sebastian Phillips
Sebastian Phillips

This would piss me off but the salt would be hilarious.
I mean it would basically nuke our political system. I am sorta at a point that if our political system does get nuked (aka no longer two party) that I might leave Labour and join the SDP to make it centre-Nazbol. Socialism with BritNat Characteristics.
Everyone hates her little cuck deal though. It's fucking shit.
Ironically any non-no deal brexit that happens now will be softer (at-least the customs union).

Bentley Williams
Bentley Williams

I might leave Labour and join the SDP

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Samuel Smith
Samuel Smith

Mate if our entire party political system collapses what the fuck are we meant to do?

Thomas Reyes
Thomas Reyes

Stay in Labour and dab on the centrist melts while the whole place collapses around us.

Mason Harris
Mason Harris

While that might be fun, also selling socialism as nationalism would be fun.

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

A PDF of his book is online here: archive.org/details/A.Journey..My.Political.Life.by.Tony.Blair/page/n1 if you don't mind reading PDFs.
Spectacle (well, media management) is a very important part of Blairism, but it's not necessarily the only thing. Explaining the actual politics of Blairism would be more difficult. I'm more getting at the politics and psychology of Blairites, especially the hangers on who weren't that politically engaged when he came to power or were too young to even really experience it.

I guess there's a sort of corrupted modernism to it as well, an imagination that finally the objective political solution has been found - the third way - and that all anyone has ever wanted from the first cave man to establish a hierarchical society, the first greek city-state to develop democracy, cromwell's establishing the supremacy of parliament, to the representation of the people act 1832, has been the third way, neither too left wing nor too right wing (I exaggerate slightly here - it's not that they take such a historical perspective, but that it's implicit, as in Marxism it is implicit all history trends towards communism. Blairism doesn't have much regard for history, coming after the end of it.), and that certainly in modern politics we could never find that balance - and if the old ways worked, they cannot work again.

In spectacular terms it has always impressed me that Blairites unquestioningly accept the media narrative of the dying days of old Labour, or of old Labour in general, or indeed of Thatcherism. They were not in the whole slavish Thatcherites and did bring their own style of management, but their horizons were narrow and even when they did some good they downplayed it to the point nobody will ever credit them for it. One wonders if their media management skills could've been improved by a better understanding of the spectacle itself.

Maybe on a related tack, before next year I'll try and do a post about the Iraq war buildup as the greatest disappointment of media spectacle in modern times. That fascinates me. All the press seemed to be building up for the mother of all battles as Saddam fought to the death, and then the Iraqi army collapsed and went home almost instantly, meaning barely any spectacular footage of fighter jets blowing up tanks (the fun part, which appeals to a very vulgar part of our species, especially in the USA.) followed by a painful decade of every BBC News opening with "4 soldiers were killed earlier today by an IED in Basra…." and the total discrediting of both majorly involved governments.

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

One wonders if their media management skills could've been improved by a better understanding of the spectacle itself.

A lot of even blair people were in the communist party, so i'm sure a fair few of them have read SoTS, etc. Specifically, wasn't Brown?

The Spectacle of the opening of the iraq war backfired significantly though, right? it was galvanizing for me at least and for many people around me it was one of the defining points, seeing the bombs come down on the tv in that green tinted footage. I'm sure it did the same to many out there, including the would be extremists who went to fight and stayed to wage jihad here.

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

youtu.be/wJbJV6CoZUM?t=558
this guy in the red jacket fucked me off so bad. It's like the archetypal twitter remainer middle class man except he's real…. How do these people exist.. I'm so sad rn. hold me.

Anthony Hall
Anthony Hall

'it didn't trickle down but it spread out'
mfw

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Robert Foster
Robert Foster

I hope I'm not the only one hoping that they crash this country with no survivors through a sudden hard brexit. Ideally the extension vote either fails or the EU just unilaterally kicks us out after the 29th because no good argument could be made for an extension.

I want to see all those fuckers in westminster annihilated in the next election, make it the same sort of wipeout that happened in scotland after the 2014 referendum. I want to see all the fringe parties suddenly getting shitloads of votes and creating total chaos in parliament. I want to see riots too Perfect time to get rid of all the blairites in labour in preparation for the grand takeover.

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Angel Ortiz
Angel Ortiz

This. I can't wait for an excuse to riot.
Best timeline will be if one of the member states veto's the extension.

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

Blair comes across like a theoretical brainlet tbh. Remember his interview where he was like "I was a Trot once. Someone gave me a book about Trotsky and I was like yeah, this guy Trotsky, his ideas are good"?
Brown used to be an actual socialist. I dunno about communist, but like when he was rector of Edinburgh University he was genuinely left wing. As late as 1989, long after he'd decided which team was going to win and that he had to move right, he was still writing pretty good left wing stuff about how shit Thatcherism is.
it was galvanizing for me at least and for many people around me it was one of the defining points, seeing the bombs come down on the tv in that green tinted footage. I'm sure it did the same to many out there, including the would be extremists who went to fight and stayed to wage jihad here.
That's a very good point I hadn't considered. That famous footage of them blowing up Baghdad looks all the worst in the light of the comparative lack of footage of "actual" combat - "cleanly" blowing up tanks in the desert, etc. Even if they were striking military targets in the city like air defence, it's not a good look and makes the war look far too lopsided. The original gulf war benefited from Vietnam syndrome, I'd say. There was a fear that maybe it'd be a mess, so they kept up morale by showing spectacular victories. In the Iraq war they severely overcompensated and made the initial victory look trivial, even bullying, without the sort of catharsis for the TV viewer that a vaguely competitive match-up would bring. Then the insurgency started…

Now for a bit of television: youtube.com/watch?v=5_JC371jxPI

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

A popular opinion suggests that if not for the EU's loanbux we won't be able to sustain ourselves, and will suffer in poverty after bankruptcy. Levels of doomsday-ness vary, some suggest we'll need to be farmers, others that we'll steal from stores for a while, others that we'll go to war with Turkey, and so on. Honestly, I can see why most people in their >=forties, who risked having children in Greece, wouldn't want to be left without the EU with all the risks present.

Oliver Cruz
Oliver Cruz

Some right proper thermo nuclear takes in that comments section

So what happens now lads? The twat isn't for turning, no deal is effectively dead (mostly, probably) there's no majority for her deal but she'll fucking try again anyway, there's no stomach in the tory party to fight an election right now so none of the factions will risk bringing down the government and squaring off for Labour and labour might explode under the weight of melts and convenient allegations of antisemitism, although momentum is hemorrhaging young remain types at such a rate that it might not matter much anyway

Do you ever wish one of the Submarine commanders would get a bit bored and drop a trident on norwich or something? just spice things up a bit, start some civil wars, you know, like the good old days

I think we're staying in at this rate

Camden Russell
Camden Russell

Is she just stupid and still thinks that there is a way her deal could pass or what? Wouldn't it be better for her and the party to just agree to holding a second referendum? I imagine it would be less detrimental for them to be the party that let brexit be cancelled rather than to be the one responsible for no deal / running out the clock until the next general elections. So why make May's deal their hill to die on?

Caleb Hughes
Caleb Hughes

Muh hidden power level
Labour was against the U.K. leaving the entire campaign the closest Corbyn came to openly supporting the UK leaving was stating a no brainer which was "If the majority votes to leave labour will respect it"
As we clearly see at this point Brexit is not shaping up in any way which is supportable by the British people which is why Labour has now announced it will extend the deadline and hold a second referendum if elected

Also I'm not sure what you mean by "the EU is forever"
Much like on a domestic level elections are regularly held for the European Union parliament which contains parliamentary groups of Left-Wing / "Socialist" / Marxist parties
Much more then can be said of the UK on a domestic level

Justin Perry
Justin Perry

Get the economy rolling
AM I BEING DETOURNED?
Perfect time to get rid of all the blairites in labour in preparation for the grand takeover.
M8 they're all disappearing when a GE is called, they'll get deselected. If the NEC don't allow open selections then I suggest this thread becomes a raid thread and we do nothing but try to drive all those who voted against selections to suicide.
A popular opinion suggests that if not for the EU's loanbux we won't be able to sustain ourselves, and will suffer in poverty after bankruptcy.
This is always an amusing take coming from the Europhiles when it's only us, the French and the Germans paying in.
Momentum is haemorrhaging because its leader is a wrecking little prick. I think once Brexit is sorted one way or another the gloves will come off in Labour and it will get fucking ruthless overnight.
Also I'm not sure what you mean by "the EU is forever"
The EU is completely unreformable from every treaty it brings in, to requiring every member on board to reform it, to its founding documents. You can pick a document at random from the EU archives and you'll find fetishisation of regulated free market economics in there.
The only solution to remaining in the EU would be to veto literally anything that gave the EU power to enforce their rules over us and to ignore them at every opportunity, which admittedly isn't a bad idea. Just don't tug my dick and tell me it's reformable.

Charles Campbell
Charles Campbell

I'm pretty tempted by it at this point just because it's probably the most interesting thing to see happen.

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

twitter.com/scottmann4NC/status/1106128906480951296
Even for a tory MP this is next level ridiculous shit. I swear some of them must have a fetish for surveillance.

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Connor Bennett
Connor Bennett

Broke: Licences for Knives
<Woke: turn knives into trackers

Hunter Hernandez
Hunter Hernandez

Oi, you have a loicense for that opinion?

Andrew Rogers
Andrew Rogers

Surely he's taking the piss. He has to be.

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Brody Powell
Brody Powell

Next tory leader no doubt

Carson Nguyen
Carson Nguyen

labour aint backing the second ref. amendement. thank fuck.

Parker Collins
Parker Collins

theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/13/lord-steel-says-he-believed-cyril-smith-child-abuse-allegations
oh dear

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

What do you mean?

lol, Steel just comes across as an incompetent and dimwitted coward from this article. Do you know much about him?

Matthew Myers
Matthew Myers

That's an impressive ratio mind 20 likes to 264 comments phwooor

Parker Gray
Parker Gray

buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/brexiteers-split-may-erg
A Group Of Hardline Brexiteer MPs Is Threatening To Side With Jeremy Corbyn And Bring Down Theresa May's Government
YES, DO IT YOU ULTRATORY FUCKERS

Jacob Ortiz
Jacob Ortiz

What do you mean?
Labour are going to whip against the second ref. amendment that's been tabled tday.

Hearing lots of rumblings of GE on the horizon. Anyone else hearing anything?

Juan Nguyen
Juan Nguyen

Well it seems that while Mogg may be opposed to risking Corbyn in No. 10, some of his friends clearly aren't

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Parker Ramirez
Parker Ramirez

Actually there was a point Mogg was advocating Labour taking gov because obviously Corbyn would fuck things up so much we'd get 1000 years of tory rule.

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

because obviously Corbyn would fuck things up so much we'd get 1000 years of tory rule

Moog Accelerationist Gang!

Hunter Martinez
Hunter Martinez

yfw the Mogster was an old labour agent all along

Robert Nelson
Robert Nelson

old
*ancient

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

Mogg is like those incompetent Russian nobles saying we should shoot the strikers.

Tyler Bell
Tyler Bell

New thread lads

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

thanks user