How do you work out what kind of leftist you are?

So, I guess a little bit of background. I live in a country with a universal healthcare system, which I'm massively glad about, and always feel bad for my US friends who have to deal with paying ridiculous amounts of money just to be healthy, and feel angry at all the fucking weird people in the US who don't like the idea of it, I don't know why the fuck people want to vote against their own self interests (stuff like taxing millionaries, too - why the fuck wouldn't the 99% of people not want to? You can be fucking sure the millionaires are voting in their own interests)

Over the past year or two I've been reading more and more into shit that the US, UK etc. have done and are currently doing, all the hypocrisy, fucking around in the middle east, fucking around in the colonies, how politicians pay lip service to human rights whilst at the same time selling weapons and warfare technology to countries commiting human rights abuses.

One of the peak breaking points for me recently was John McCain dying, seeing all of these people talk about how great he was, "I don't agree with his politics but I respect him", all that kind of shit - voices on the left seemed to be the only ones calling him out for being a war criminal, and even then getting criticized for not being "civil", it's like everyone else cared more about whitewashing and being nice about this guy than calling him out for what he was, making out like you're the asshole for saying he sucks.

TL;DR I guess I'd describe myself as a leftist but how do I work out where exactly I fit in? I don't know if I'm a communist, anarchist, socialist etc. all I know is that capitalism is kind of shitty especially when people decide that profits matter more than humanity, whether it's not implementing universal healthcare to shit like the impeding climate catastrophy because somehow it's more important to create value for shareholders than to ensure the ocean doesn't turn into a fucking boiling sea full of plastic. Also people who whitewash history and war criminals are shitheads.

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Read until you know how to classify yourself, then read some more until you realize that politics isn't as easy as picking a class in an rpg

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Don’t worry too much about where you fit in. My advice would just be to research different strains of leftism and see what makes sense to you. For me, there’s no specific ideology that I completely agree with but I’m the most closely aligned with Marxism-Leninism. To normies I’d never call myself anything more than a socialist or Marxist though. You have that instinctual anti-capitalist feeling, now the thing to do is back it up with theory to understand the system and help you articulate the problems and pose solutions

I agree with them. I also have just started reading Marx and Engels' later works, and have read summaries of what Lenin, Stalin, and Mao practiced and theorized.

I think, at least in the beginning, it is the matter of what you think is the best way to reach the end goal of communism. With anarchists, it is immediate abolishing of state, while Marxists hold true the analysis that state exists as long as classes exist as it is a tool of oppression of the ruling class so proletariat class will establish their own state (socialist), after smashing the bourgeoisie's, to oppress the bourgeoisie.

I began with 'undoing' all the bourgeois propaganda that I had fallen for. This includes how Marxism and anarchism are distorted and robbed of their revolutionary content, the history of previous proletarian revolutions (Paris commune, USSR, PRC, etc.), propaganda against NK (check out: youtu.be/7f22QGIWXGw, youtu.be/ktE_3PrJZO0), Venezuela, Cuba, China, USSR, etc. Check out: reddit.com/r/communism/wiki/debunk

You have noticed, like the rest of us, the exploitation by capitalists. If you want to know the basic 'how' and 'why' the system leads to this you might want to start with Marx's 'Wage Labor and Capital' or 'Value, Price and Profit'. Afaik the latter one was a speech by Marx to workers so it an easy read.

If you want to instead go by the way of videos, checkout Comrade Hakim, Mexie, BadMouseProductions, etc. on YT.

TL;DR: read as much as you can, discuss, etc.

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Thanks for the advice, anons. I'm bad at reading (shit brain) so I'll probably end up either listening to audiobooks or checking out videos about stuff.

I guess for me, it's just so difficult to imagine a world without a central state sometimes. Like, how would we administer healthcare to everyone without a big centralized state to keep track of stuff? That's why reading stuff about anarchism etc. fucks me up, since the capitalist way is all I've ever lived in and known.

With regards to the Venezuela situation, it's so fucking sketchy that this Elliott Abrams guy, same guy from the Contra scandal, is now the special representative for Venezuela? How does this not set off alarm bells for people? Whilst Maduro might not be the greatest leader, we still don't have any right to fuck around with another country's democratically elected leader, and it's astonishing how forceful the US is being about aid - they weren't even close to this enthusiastic when it came to Puerto Rico after the hurricane, surely people would notice how weird that is?

It makes me feel like some conspiracy theorist sometimes, honestly. I feel like telling someone that the US funded the mujahideen and a big part of why the middle east is so fucked now is because of the red scare, would just make me look crazy. Man, this world is fucked up.

Check out the marx anime, it is a good introduction into marxism.
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I'll tell you how it'll go. First you'll probably become a libsoc or anarchist, say how you're all for liberty and democracy, call the USSR evil, etc. Then as you read more history and theory you'll realize the liberatarian/authoritarian spectrum is liberal nonsense and you'll gradually turn into a ML.

this too. Watched the 6th ep. today. You usually have to wait 2-3 days for a comrade named F Sun there to upload English subtitles (after episode-release on Mondays). Anyone notice how the animation and story presentation has gotten better after each episode?


It is really surprising how disillusioned liberals are.
On this the least we can agree on no meddling in foreign affairs.


I agree. I have read many people saying they went through the same transition, sometimes often through a fascist phase.

Socialist anime is the future. I can’t wait for crypto-fash weebs to get driven out of the fanbase

I think getting to know the truth about the world affairs and history actually accelerated my fall into depression


We lefties are better than these weebs at art afaik – both in quality and 'soul'. And with China getting into socialist anime, we have a good start.

Do you comrades have socialist animes to recommend?

Gurren Lagann is a good one

you are cute but don't say that phrase ever again

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Thanks user!


I am new. Why?

Watch Shinsekai yori
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it just sounds silly

Thanks. Exams coming up, will definitely watch after.


Now that you say… How about 'comrades'? What is your prefer way to refer to people on the left?

comrade feels very natural to say in imageboards, it's awkward in reddit and all other social media.

Formal situations? Of course. It feels as if you are forcing it.

Also OP, if you are here, you should show your friends the way too, imo without using the terms 'capitalism', 'socialism', etc. in the beginning as these terminology 'switches off' most people from any discussion ahead.

Don't let these niggas tell you states are inherently evil, the most obvious form of leftism (to me) is Democratic Socialist Statism (the means of production are owned collectively by the citizens through the mechanism of the state which is obliged to everyone).

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Is 'democratic' here even necessary tho? When I was new, this kinda gave me the feeling that socialism then must be undemocratic in principle that you need to tell people that you are a 'democratic socialist'.

I think it is not a matter of opinion that the state is not inherently evil, that it is just a tool of a class. Isn't this a fact, whether it is accepted or not?

Ehhh, it minimises confusion like 'OH SO YOU LOVE STALIN HUH???'

The state being a tool of class is a fringe definition, it's usually just defined as the ruling administration of a country - I feel that 'just don't call it a state'ism where people try find some other word to describe the same thing is silly.

Tell me something, do you wish we lived in a stateless, classless, and moneyless society. Do you think that's what would be best for us?

For normies, yeah.

I am sorry, I don't get your position. Can you clarify? Do you mean to say that definition of a state as a tool of oppression (or ruling administration it true but people otherwise opting to not use this term 'state' is silly?

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All socialism is democratic unless you’re some Blanquist retard

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yikes

of course, if you agree with Marx you might think you are an anarchist. This is human nature. That is why political tests are needed.

tfw

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if you do it right irl it feels kinda chad, but you need good timing and imponence to pull it off.

and frequency control

you mean to tell me i can't say comrade more than 4 times in a single sentence?

how long is that sentence

10 words obviously

Because it is a funny meme

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Fine forget frequency control

Nigger what?

Don't you understand low-effort sarcasm?

Low-effort indeed

It's not required, I'm just including it so user can see a bit of extra context man.

Which is not unimportant IMO.

Also yes that's what I'm saying about states, they should be judged on their individual characteristics. I hate to go all 'well the dictionary says' but most people would see any kind of government apparatus to be a state.


They're fun and you can compare and talk shit. I don't see the big deal.

I think that such tests will be biased created by an anarchist (think of their use of the term 'authoritarian', or their concept of state, or knowledge of history of past revolutions) or a liberal. Marxists are not as confused about anarchist theory as are anarchists about Marxist theory, in fact Marxists know both more than they do.

Daily reminder that its MLM-Deng Xiaoping Thought and that "Dengism" is just as braindead a term as "Stalinism."

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What's the problem with Gramsci? I honestly want to know.