Peterson vs Zizek

Samuel Lewis
Samuel Lewis

Are you ready? Will you attend? Do you think Zizek will be able to debate (I mean, Peterson is a snake and Zizek isn't renown for debating skills)
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Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

Both of them are reactionary trash.

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

Peterson vs Zizek.
Never happening tbh.

Ian Jones
Ian Jones

I'm already cringing. Plot twist: Žižek ends up agreeing with Peterson in everything.

It's pretty much confirmed now.

Jason Scott
Jason Scott

Most likely this will be a circus show and Peterson won't be able to understand what Zizek is trying to say at all. Whenever the CCCP is inevitably brought up by Peterson literally all Zizek will have to do is point out that Peterson has no historical knowledge whatsoever and has never done so much as a minute of proper research on the country in his entire life. But Zizek himself doesn't know much on the subject either (or really any subject other than philosophy) so I don't see that going well.

Still, as a sane, self-respecting individual I naturally have to place myself on Zizek's side and hope he is somehow able to find the power in him to demolish this pathetic reactionary charlatan.

Gavin Jackson
Gavin Jackson

Why is Peterson so angry all the time?

Luis Watson
Luis Watson

Would be a pointless shitstorm since they would argue past each other. Hope it will be entertaining though

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

Žižek is a psychoanalyst and Peterson a psychiatrist. Even if he goes on about stuff he knows jackshit about he will probably roughly know what Žižek is talking about in psychoanalysis.
Whenever the CCCP is inevitably brought up by Peterson literally all Zizek will have to do is point out that Peterson has no historical knowledge whatsoever and has never done so much as a minute of proper research on the country in his entire life.
Which he won't do, Žižek will agree with him that communism has killed gazillions the sane way Žižek was conceding that point in every talk before. Which is exactly what Peterson is hoping for so he can hammer home the "not real socialsim" argument.

Still, as a sane, self-respecting individual I naturally have to place myself on Zizek's side and hope he is somehow able to find the power in him to demolish this pathetic reactionary charlatan.
Žižek is the worst choice for his because of his weird love/hate relationship he has with conservative pundits and is disdain for debate culture. All he will do is concede ground and then sidetrack the topic ("yes, but…"). Literally idiot radlibs like Sam Seder would be better to dismantle Peterson because they would press him and nail him down so he can't weasel himself out of it.

Jose Johnson
Jose Johnson

Second greentext fucked up

Nicholas Murphy
Nicholas Murphy

place your labor voucher bets comrades

Ian Torres
Ian Torres

Honestly Žižek can win this with quirky humour. Peterson comes over as a massive stick in the ass who is physically incapable of making a joke. If Žižek wants to be vicious, he could totally make fun of him especially his lobster antics, but Žižek usually doesn't do it.

Jason Scott
Jason Scott

You only have to see how retarded JP fans are streight under that video to understand this is utterly pointless…

It won't be easy for Peterson. This Marxist ideolog knowingly tells opposite of true. You can't always catch him on lies but you always know that he tells opposite of true. Peterson has truth as his weapon. But it's not evident that telling truth inevitably leads to victory over them. Lies are more atractive. People love lies. Truth are complicated. It's easier to lies and dismiss and manipulate.

sasha bondarenko True. Especially when the words marx uses in his works has more than one meaning.

@Jagdeesh Dogra I hate words that have more than one meaning. It's practically inviting postmodernism in through the front to create chaos in our lives.

Seriously. How/Why do you people engage with this trash? do you find it has a negative affect on your lives?

Jacob Ramirez
Jacob Ramirez

Peterson: clean your nose.
Zizek: *sniffe* yes, yes, right *sniffe*

Wyatt Barnes
Wyatt Barnes

Truth is complicated he says while Peterson talks about communism and all of its history as an absolute rigidity, and without any context whatsoever.

I am beginning to think we should just gulag these people en masse.

Matthew Scott
Matthew Scott

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Cooper Watson
Cooper Watson

zizek
reactionary

Imagine being this unironically stupid

Josiah Perez
Josiah Perez

I hope Zizek just goes to town on Peterson's obsession with cultural Marxism. That's all that's really needed tbh and I don't think Zizek would have missed it when looking him up.

Robert Clark
Robert Clark

Peterson should debate J. Arch Getty or Grover Furr.

Adrian Russell
Adrian Russell

Peterson didn't want to debate Richard Wolff.

Gabriel Campbell
Gabriel Campbell

ywn see Wolff versus Peterson
feels bad

Sebastian Johnson
Sebastian Johnson

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Leo Ramirez
Leo Ramirez

Yeah but Wolff doesn’t debunk the hundred gorillion meme. When confronted with it he usually either changes the subject or points to capitalism’s own gorillions.

Lucas Brown
Lucas Brown

Yes, he feels more comfortable "debating" complete jokes like zizek instead. Expect a lot of compromises and zizek beind charitable to 90% of peterson's talking points. Don't care how angry it makes Zig Forums petty-booj, zizek is a fraud.

Ayden Murphy
Ayden Murphy

Yeah, that is why Grover "NOT ONE CRIME" Furr.

Justin Campbell
Justin Campbell

…why "we need"…

FUCK.

Levi Johnson
Levi Johnson

Nah Zizek won't take it seriously and RL shitpost once he reveal Peterson is full of shit.

Owen Price
Owen Price

live debate is a spectacle, it doesn't allow for the debaters to throughly think their responses and allows for hot takes and knee jerk statements, basically promotes feels > reals. the debate should be written.
zizek is a fraud
if you disagree with me, ur stupid petit-booj
t. saw one video where he compromises with homophobic anti-feminist islamophobic fatphobic anti-semitic drumpf Nazis

John Gomez
John Gomez

Literally what marxist today would try to debate against the muh gazillions meme? wouldn't it spell career death for you in these day and age, painting you as a holodomor denialist or some shit?

Isaiah Nelson
Isaiah Nelson

Jewish Freudian pseudoscience man #1 vs Jewish Freudian pseudoscience man #2
gonna be a yikes from me dawg

Evan Young
Evan Young

No, it's the first step to success in your career. It's gonna tell people you ain't taking shit from anyone.

Alexander Smith
Alexander Smith

Please kill yourself

Gavin Green
Gavin Green

Will it be streamed? What channel if so?

Jeremiah Jackson
Jeremiah Jackson

This is what I hope happens. Zizek the Living Meme is what snapped me out of my anti-Left fling, and I've a suspicion he might have a similar effect on quite a few of those Peterson's followers who aren't completely indoctrinated. Just seeing a Marxist who doesn't conform to any of their preconcieved notions is gonna do them good.

I do hope he at least reads Peterson more thoroughly before the debate, since his earlier critiques have been a bit sloppy. I think Zizek has just sized him up and seen him for what he is, but I'm afraid he can't be bothered with reading his books. The problem is that if you fuck up the taxonomy of the alt-right faggots even slightly, or get wrong some specific part of the insane lore-world in which they live, even the ones who might be open to influence will close their ears and start screaming persecution.

The absolute best would be if he started defending Stalin just to troll Peterson. He's never done it before, but this would be an ideal opportunity to reveal his true power level, which he is clearly hiding, as you can see from how he defends Robespierre.

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Landon Hughes
Landon Hughes

FYI Zizek quotes extensively history books on the USSR in several of his works. Arch J. Getty comes to mind.

Aaron Murphy
Aaron Murphy

Zizek will psychoanalyze Peterson and dance around his points (e.g. "but what if the opposite is true"). It will be a draw but Peterson's fanboys will say he won. The only way to beat Peterson is to ask him if he believes in God the almighty. Seriously he cannot answer this question.

Hudson Taylor
Hudson Taylor

complete jokes like Zizek
implying Wolff is not a complete joke
you can go yikes yourself to death, you burger piece of trash

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Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

I never heard zman endorse the gazillion meme. He concedes that the USSR was a catasrtophic failure and calls it state or "really existing" socialism. For instance, as I said above, he relies on Arch Getty, who puts the no. of victims of the Stalin purges at around 300.000, a totally legit and conservative estimate, compared to jillions.

Ryder Collins
Ryder Collins

I hate words that have more than one meaning. It's practically inviting postmodernism in through the front to create chaos in our lives.

Read something like this and tell me you don't feel the solution is just a mass grave.

Ian Wright
Ian Wright

How suburban and/or petit bourg do you have to be to like this garbage? It's like pure, distilled capitalist realism.

Alexander Robinson
Alexander Robinson

There's a good chance I'll be attending. Should I embrace the meme and wear a Soviet flag as a cape?

Kayden Lopez
Kayden Lopez

Wolff is fine, retard, he has a revisionist Marxist theory but he gets people into leftism

Eli Campbell
Eli Campbell

Kys

Luis Moore
Luis Moore

don't be mean, black cats give you bad luck
wear a stalin shirt

Nicholas Brown
Nicholas Brown

That would be nice but if possible I'd suggest a Pol Pot shirt.

Grayson Johnson
Grayson Johnson

wear a juche gang t shirt

Justin Watson
Justin Watson

don't waste time and knit yourself the number of people the media says were killed by communism with a red background and yellow numbers

Chase Moore
Chase Moore

It's going to be a shit show.
Peterson is going to be wanting a fight, and Zizek will just be trying to have a discussion, and they will talk past eachother the whole time.
I'm not into watching train wrecks.
Sounds like a waste of time.

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

zizek might have a chance if he goes turbo stalinist.

Tyler Campbell
Tyler Campbell

Is Zizek actually worth reading?

Austin Young
Austin Young

A friend of mine also has a GDR flag, figured it would be good if we both wore them and demanded every incel Peterson fan debate us.

Evan Moore
Evan Moore

I want a Pol Pot shirt. I’d wear glasses with it too to screw with normalfags

Jackson Torres
Jackson Torres

ancom

Hudson Gray
Hudson Gray

Go home Nazi Popper.

Anthony Butler
Anthony Butler

so does Zizek, you absolute stupid head

Adam Jackson
Adam Jackson

And that was never not said, retard

Kayden Moore
Kayden Moore

it was implied by calling him a joke and presenting Wolff as a better option, poopy pants

Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

Happiness: Capitalism vs. Marxism
This debate topic is already stupid.
Marxism isn't really as much a system of economics, as it is deconstruction of the current one.
Unless we're talking about all the systems inspired by Marxism, they're already talking past each other.

Nathan Morales
Nathan Morales

should we start creating LobsterBol Gang memes now to lure in some curious edgefags, or should we wait till everyone is surprised by how much Zizek and Peterson agree on things?

Xavier Martinez
Xavier Martinez

things they agree on:
-christian atheism
-?
-?
-political correctness solidifies hatred

Julian Lewis
Julian Lewis

Christian atheism
Isn't this basically just Calvinism?

Chase Turner
Chase Turner

The problem with Jordan Peterson is that he actively goes out of his way never to make any prescriptive claims, so he's a philosopher that by has to be strawmanned in order to be interacted with whatsoever.

In most instances, the most reasonable readings of whatever he says is one that terribly gender-essentialist, chauvenist and in a lot of cases play into fascist and anti-semitic tropes, but since he never outright claim anything directly, he can always just retreat back from any position and clutch his pearls if you accuse him of any of those things.

Jordan Peterson is not about philosophy, it's a trick of semantics, and thus by nature, this debate will be pure dogshit.

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

contrapoints it's a radlib but she was right when she said he tricks people into having to ask what his position is(vague as fuck) only for him to make them look like they completely misunderstand him.

i don't think he's a fascist tho, he seems like the typical center right liberal afraid of both extreme right and extreme left.

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

This. The best way to "debate" him would be to ask him to explain his positions on select non-political topics. More specifically on the role of women in society and the existence of God. His views on these issues are so far outside the mainstream and bizarre that it would end up hurting his appeal to both suburban children and suburban manchildren. If you give him a chance to attack or bring it back to le SJWs then he wins.

Jack King
Jack King

That's quite a take.
If this person is older than 15, he's beyond hope.

Oliver Wright
Oliver Wright

Jordan Peterson constantly pays homage to the idea of natural hierachies and essentialism, and talks about ideas as being related, that are only related if you accept the idea of "jewish taint", meaning that two concepts can be related by the fact that they are both related to judaism, whether directly or a few steps removed.

That means that, regardless of whether or not that message is inteded or not, the only internally consistent logic that can be projected upon these arguements, is one that is essentialist and anti-semitic, and thus by nature, whether he's trying to or not, he's going to be interpreted at least some percentage of the time as making fascist arguments, as that is the most reasonable reading of his arguments.

This is what makes him so insiduous and dangerous.

youtube.com/watch?v=MiPcA40p-LU
In this video, he suggests that atheists ought be repressed in society.
I don't think he's chaged that attitude, he simply just can't say that outright anymore. Intentionally or not, he's a bad guy.

Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

What's funny is how often Peterson fans would cry about something like 1984, but in that novel, the whole point of Newspeak was to limit what words could mean.
Thus, to contract and limit the meaning of words is actually precisely the orwellianism they're so paranoid about all the time.

Parker Powell
Parker Powell

Reminds me of that time he got btfo by an internet atheist in a debate, and all he could was mutter that "atheist actually believed in god" or some inane shit.
youtu.be/FmH7JUeVQb8
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Owen Harris
Owen Harris

Fuck you for making me watch a Jordan Peterson video now my recommendation will get fucked by the likes of him, Sargon of Classical Liberalism, Blair Right, and Armored Centrist.

But can't wait for the Zizek to sniff out Petersons hypocrisy!

Still wish he debated Wolff though :(

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Ryan Butler
Ryan Butler

t.

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Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

w-wow porky you look cute today

Lincoln Hernandez
Lincoln Hernandez

Why'd you want Peterson to debate an economist?

Nolan Martin
Nolan Martin

Lmao so sick

Leo Sullivan
Leo Sullivan

exchanging labour vouchers
commissar jamal, get this man

Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

holy shit i wasn't aware he had such a silly voice, it's not annoying or anything but it gives a strange feeling of being constantly in pain

Isaiah Brown
Isaiah Brown

To prove that Peterson doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to socialism, you wouldn't want to see that?

Josiah Gray
Josiah Gray

Thumbnail should be a lobster with a plastic penish dildo strapped to its back

Angel Green
Angel Green

This actually got arranged somehow?

Ok.

Zizek loses because he's not a debater.

But also it's incoherent because Peterson has no fucking clue what communism is. Zizek is more rational during the debate, but Peterson dunks on him by using a bunch of fallacies Zizek has no clue how to deal with.

Gabriel Gomez
Gabriel Gomez

Imma just throw this in here

youtube.com/watch?v=apNQDNKjWCI

Brayden Evans
Brayden Evans

lol the comment section can't tell which side the meme is on

Dominic Brown
Dominic Brown

couldn't even respond with Virginia Woolf or one of the Bronte sisters
That question was literally life on easy mode.

Sebastian Watson
Sebastian Watson

Happiness debate
2 of the least happy-looking doctrinaires that either side has to offer

Atleast it cant be as bad as Peterson vs Harris, that was a solipsistic cringe-fest

Wyatt Parker
Wyatt Parker

implying zizek isn't a bundle of joy

Liam Edwards
Liam Edwards

The best outcome would be Peterson taking it very seriously and Zizek not at all

Oliver Parker
Oliver Parker

What do they write?

Jaxon Ward
Jaxon Ward

Bronte Sisters:
Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, Agnes Grey, The Professor etc.
They are considered fundamental in English literature especially in any course concerning 19th century lit. Their not at all “chick books” by any means, Wuthering Heights is so brutal that even though it was published anonymously it was widely believed the author was a man.

Virginia Woolf
If you like modernist writers like Fitzgerald, Hemingway, DH Lawrence etc. then you’ll like her writing. Probably her most famous work is Mrs.Dalloway which despite the title is definitely not a girly romantic novel. Her essay “A Room of One’s Own” is considered a foundational text in feminist writing but she herself doesn’t seem to be much in the way of the moralistic feminists that we all know today.

A bit off-topic, but Edward Albee’s “Whose Afraid of Virginia Woolf” is also a fantastic play/movie.

Adrian Taylor
Adrian Taylor

Pretty much what's going to happen.
Peterson NEEDS to look tough and strong against the intellectually vastly superior Zizek. Since Zizek is a hegelian and influenced strongly by marxism, he'll have a more structural & deterministic analysis than Peterson stuck in free-will and morality spooks. Zizek doesn't really care that much about the "debate" since he's pretty active in the academia and taken seriously by at least some of his peers, which isn't something Peterson could say about himself.

Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

It won't end up being a debate on communism. Forget that. Zizek will perform an obscure analysis of Peterson's ideology, ask a couple of provocative philosophical questions, and end the debate on good terms with him.
If it comes up Zizek will deflate the meaning of communism. Say that he's a communist because he thinks we need some alternative to the status quo, that the crises we need to resolve are those of the commons, etc. Basically a sales talk to make people less fearful of the communist tradition (and make no mistake, Zizek is part of the communist tradition).
That's all it will be. Don't expect anything more of it. You'll just disappoint yourself.

he will probably roughly know what Žižek is talking about in psychoanalysis
Peterson knows nothing about Lacan and has a completely different reading of Freud. He won't be able to keep track with Zizek on this.

Nicholas Ross
Nicholas Ross

Whats Zizeks opinion on Carl Yung? Im sure that topic will come up at some point.

Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson

His voice kind of irks me. It's like someone trying to tell you off, while at same time trying not to cry

Parker Lewis
Parker Lewis

He doesn't like him.
youtube.com/watch?v=Qrz8rYOkaeA

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

pretending this will result in anything other than stale "Zizek getting helicoptered by Peterson" memes

Comrades, I…

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

it won't result in loads of fucking great Zizek clips.
Come on famrade.

Aiden Rodriguez
Aiden Rodriguez

This thread made me realise how poor of a communist Zizek actually is. In purely intellectual terms, he has the sheer factual knowledge to completely buttfuck Peterson six ways to Sunday, but he won't because he's a timid hack who'd rather meander about life drinking Coke and consuming Hollywood movies (whilst justifying it by saying something like "Engels once said a true communist knows the workings of capitalist culture *sniff*") instead of actually realising the need for mass socialist action in this ailing capitalist dystopia.

No wonder he's the "world's most famous Marxist", since apparently he loves the world just the way it is.

Aaron Rodriguez
Aaron Rodriguez

You mentioned Jordan Peterson, and he is influenced by Carl Jung. Do you have any comments about psychoanalysis in general? Because at least in the United States, we probably are primarily influenced from Anna Freud’s ego psychology? Carl Jung is influential in some ways, partly through the New Age movement…
Don’t underestimate Jung’s influence. In most countries, Freud is seriously debated, but more in literary criticism, maybe in psychology, philosophy, and theoretical circles. But Jung’s work is much more popular. His books are best sellers. For example, after the fall of communism in Russia, ex-Soviet Union, forget about Freud, I was told that Jung was selling hundreds of thousands, even millions of copies, and so on. And of course, here, O.K., we don’t have time to go into detail, but I claim here I am an old-fashioned Stalinist. Jung is a wrong way. Jung is a New Age obscurantist reinscription of Freud. But, you know, in my debate with Jordan Peterson, I totally ignored the Jungian aspect.
daily.jstor.org/getting-a-grip-on-slavoj-zizek-with-slavoj-zizek/
This will definitely be part of the debate. I hope Peterson gets flustered while being schooled in his own field of expertise. That would be hilarious.

Zizek won't lead the revolution, but he sure as hell will be an influence on the people who do.

Ian Ward
Ian Ward

We should pre-empt them. Somebody make a meme of Zizek laughing as Peterson is hauled to the gulag.

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Carter Lewis
Carter Lewis

He IS actually a good communist. He just puts out the cultural stuff to entertain the normies. He is actually a diehard communist who has defended Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, etc. and also is well-versed in the Western Marxist tradition.

Bentley Rogers
Bentley Rogers

Important to keep in mind, most of Zizek's criticisms of the USSR or Stalin include some kind of caveat at the end. Sometimes, though not often, I wonder if he's a crypto-stalinist. It's not uncommon for him to say "Don't get me wrong, sniff, Stalin was a terrifying leader, but you know, he says something interesting here…"

Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

How much more do you think he'd be taken seriously if he behaved more normally. Though I think his unusual and characteristic personality and image is useful to the communist movement at large, he makes communism look fun.

Adrian Ward
Adrian Ward

this, at least he looks confident of himself by constantly sniffing, picking his nose and smearing it all over his shirt. true confidence

Jacob Lewis
Jacob Lewis

Never seen him pick his nose. He just rubs it.

Nathaniel Ross
Nathaniel Ross

well i see his shirt becomes more wet as time passes during his presentations so i will assume he picks up some snot from when he rubs it

or he's just sweaty

Ryder Sullivan
Ryder Sullivan

His nervous behavior definitely makes him more likable to me. But I've heard other people say they can't stand listening to him, so I don't know. Maybe they're just autistic though.
It makes him a lot less intimidating. He's just a weird nervous dunce like any of us.

Kevin Hall
Kevin Hall

I found him really weird and off putting at first, but after seeing a few short clips, his humour and exuberance got through to me, and his seemingly unhygienic ticks just give me a chuckle, especially in contrast with how confident he is in what he says. It's a friendly "I don't give a fuck" attitude, and it appeals to quite a few people.

Joseph Reyes
Joseph Reyes

What I like about Zizek is not the sniffing and funny accent or mimics, rather that he tries very hard to pretend he's always the most vicious and "evil" person in the room. He's not taking a super serious morally right posture, rather he acts like some kind of realpolitik-oriented machiavelian edgy guy and it's good. We need to stress that people behave exactly the way they are determined by social structures vastly bigger than them and generally without them being aware and no other way. Appealing to the morality of individual agents is an entirely pointless entreprise.

Jason White
Jason White

not talking the superior two-pronged structural / moral approach
Normalfags literally can’t withstand it

David Johnson
David Johnson

Tbh taking an historicist approach generally lets you show that things that essentialists think of being absolute have the ontological equivalent of a "made in china" stamp on them, it generally leaves them flustered. Still, historical deterministic approaches are vastly superior than blaming individual agents for not being "good" enough. Like, you're pretty much blaming reality for disappointing you. We need some kind of absolute empirism and not get lost in imaginary worlds where capitalism can be more moral and where billionaires will for some reason suddenly think there's no point being extremely reach. A deterministic stance states that given any social agent, his behaviour couldn't be possibly any different than what it is and comparing it to something else is pure fiction.
Also it says implicitely, that as a commie, you admit you'd act exactly like a CEO if you were born in the same condition as any current CEO or trader or politician because you'd be born in their shoes, have their names, speak like them. So you're not "inherently" or "substancially" better than anyone.

William Kelly
William Kelly

He's totally crypto, as I said in another post. Go look up his defense of Robespierre and Jacobins in youtube, and show me one argument that couldn't just as easily be used to defend Stalin and the Bolsheviks. Basically he knows which part he occupies on the "pipeline" and he plays his part effectively.

Charles Smith
Charles Smith

yes i am

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

Unscientific and undialectical.

Wyatt Hernandez
Wyatt Hernandez

reach
rich.

Luis Turner
Luis Turner

reach
spear

Tyler Harris
Tyler Harris

post Zizek vs Peterson memes

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Nolan Wilson
Nolan Wilson

Kek that's great

Julian Davis
Julian Davis

It seems like the obvious solution is to take a dual moralistic and self interest based approach. I mean part of the reason why liberal ideology is so successful is it allows porkies to feel like they are somehow helping people (as “job creators” or some other horseshit) by benifiting themselves. People like being told that it’s moral to act in their own self interest.

Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

postmodernism isn't rebranded marxism because postmodernist reject materialism and so on and so on
reeeeeeeee venezuela reeeeeeee feminist reeeeeee liberals reeeee the church is gud
one debate later
PETERSEN DESTROYZ COMMUNIST WITH FACTZ AND LOGICS *1M views

Julian Price
Julian Price

a couple leftist retards hurring and durring
just like this board

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

BUUUUT we do it for at least not so shitty reasons

Henry Young
Henry Young

His books read like a more in-depth version of his talks. He uses even more obscure references to present a hyper-nuanced points about existence, and the nature of our incomplete reality.

Landon Sanders
Landon Sanders

poopy pants
i like this guy

Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore

Implying Zizek won't take a fat check and let Peterson win.

Nolan Evans
Nolan Evans

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Ethan Thompson
Ethan Thompson

This is not how it's going to go. Zizek has his own critique of traditional Marxist materialism.

Camden Hernandez
Camden Hernandez

I'm in Toronto Anyone in Toronto wanna attend this?

Thomas Barnes
Thomas Barnes

take me with u baby

Isaiah Moore
Isaiah Moore

I'm just glad both of them are white and neither is a filthy kike. So its all win-win for me.

Charles Powell
Charles Powell

buy your own ticket we also need a way to identify ourselves because being unkept and autistic alone won't cut it sine all of Peterson's fans are also like this

Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers

zizek and peterson aren't jewish
silly goyim, everyone in the world is a jew

Connor Brooks
Connor Brooks

It's gonna be in t*Ronto? Shit it's such a waste of time for comrade Zizek to fly there

Brody Sanders
Brody Sanders

Peterson lives in Toronto.

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

And Zizek lives in Ljubljana

Juan Murphy
Juan Murphy

Came to this thread in search of this maymay specificly. Thank you, I'm very comfy now.

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Nicholas Murphy
Nicholas Murphy

implying zizek isn't a bundle of joy
A-user I…

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Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

As a person drawn to conservatism and rightwing politics my entire life —– Peterson is a boob. He's not of the same calibre as this other guy, Zizek, with whom I'm somewhat familiar. All you low test faggot commies need to get some confidence and root for your guy here. Peterson is an opportunist who has used the scrutiny he'd faced during his tenure as an opportunity to sell his junk books. He's a sophist and a showman. Zizek can handle him easily, and I look forward to hearing what he has to say.

Jeremiah King
Jeremiah King

zizek is a nigger, but a cool nigger like hampton

Jose Bell
Jose Bell

Peterson is just going to talk about how 500 trillion were killed by communism. Zizek isn't gonna refute him because he's not a hardline ML. I don't think it'll be a very good debate

Michael Parker
Michael Parker

It's not so hard as it'd seem. He'd just have to point out that no "communist" nation ever claimed to have implemented socialism or communism, at most they had implemented "state capitalism" or "were building socialism". This is because the Soviets and the Chinese knew that any old idiot in their country would know that their systems were not the implementation of socialism, and therefore it would be crazy to try and pass it of as that.

In that way "300 gorillion" is at most at criticism of a method of building socialism.

Kinda hilarious how Jordan Peterson is ignorant about stuff that was common knowledge to illiterate Russian farmers tho.

Connor Barnes
Connor Barnes

he's not a hardline ML
I've read about a thousand pages from Lenin, and another thousand on him. I'm not done with studying him, mind you. He's a thinker and the most important political theoretician and revolutionary of the 20th century, no question about it.

Yet, I would not call myself a "hardline ML." I'm totally with Zizek when he says that our attitude should be "take what you can and move on."

Welcome to the 21st century, faggot!

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Jack Carter
Jack Carter

"communist"
Go home, chomsky.

Nathan Lee
Nathan Lee

When I write "communist" country, it's only because they're only known as such within the West. No east-bloc country ever called itself communist.

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

ML groups today have little revolutionary potential because they're cults with old grudges that new recruits don't know about until they trip on these 1970s-era landmines and get immediately purged.

John Price
John Price

Peterson a psychiatrist.
No he isn't. You need to be an MD to be a psychiatrist. Jordan Peterson is a psychologist/therapist. Psychiatrists can prescribe medicine. Psychologists can provide referrals to psychiatrists.

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

Here's a "reply."

Anthony Gray
Anthony Gray

I invite you to actually reply to what was said.

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Chase Moore
Chase Moore

ctrl+f "lacan"
1 result
ctrl+f "jung"
8 results coming from the same post
Disappointed in this thread tbh.

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

Myself and a whole group from my uni are going.

Hunter Miller
Hunter Miller

I'd convinced myself I was going to make the trip for about a day and a half, but I was deluding myself it'd cost me literally thousands of dollars for travel and special accommodation, as I'm confined to a wheelchair…shit sucks

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Noah Anderson
Noah Anderson

Did you paint that image yourself?

Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

Yes, with my own feet.

Robert Carter
Robert Carter

Jung is a hidden source at least in a synchronous sense for Lacan
Had to be given Lacan's commitment to psychoanalysis vs Jung's declaration for psychology
God is unconscious comes straight from Jung's analysis of the book of Joab

Camden Harris
Camden Harris

Yeah, but I’m not sure Zizek will even push back on Peterson saying something like “60 million died in the Gulag, read Solzhenitsyn!”

I can imagine him saying “yes but *sniff shirt tug* let us examine this you know.” and start talking about something else like how we need to create a new socialism and he is “no Stalinist” etc. I am fine with Zizek examining why he thinks bureaucracy and terror went too far, or how the personality cult around Stalin was dissatisfactory for western leftists trying to imagine a way forward, but when it comes to the total condemnation of the USSR (which Peterson will absolutely focus on, its his major talking point against communism) Parenti seems like a better speaker because he has a way of spinning the conversation back into the hope and progress the USSR represented that rarely gets discussed.

But to Zizek’s credit he knows that the violence of revolution is not in a vacuum, and I hope he will be more heavy on that than just going into dirty jokes about why he doesn’t agree with Stalin. In fact he has endorsed it, with the whole “I don’t think Robespierre did anything wrong, the terror is necessary”.

Landon Cox
Landon Cox

Zizek himself has said a nicely alienated society with a state bureocracy is his dream that scares even his leftist friends.

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

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Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

Who is hosting this event exactly? Like if I buy ticket whose pocket will my money end up on?

Jose Sanchez
Jose Sanchez

jeff bezos

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

Tbh even if Zizek wins, Youtube will be flooded with "JORDAN PETERSON ANALLY EVISCERATES MARXIST RETARD" type cringe snap-cuts of stuff taken out of context to make peterson look as good as possible and zizek to look as terrible as possible so the right will chalk it up as another victory.

Carson Miller
Carson Miller

the left just needs to do the same but the opposcheet

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

Will Zizek make up for how boring JP is?

Jaxson White
Jaxson White

yeah, he will be fun

Chase Wilson
Chase Wilson

Peterson or Zizek? Both are worse!

Chase Jackson
Chase Jackson

I was more lamenting the fact that most people itt aren't discussing the theorists and their ideas but that's an interesting tidbit. IIRC Lacan had a christian upbringing which is why his teachings had christian themes which is funny because Freud was jewish.

Joshua Gutierrez
Joshua Gutierrez

Knowing reactionary youtube, he'll most likely piss his pants in public, declare victory and be applauded for it.

A clip like this comes to mind:
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Connor Thompson
Connor Thompson

What an idiot. I can't believe people listen to this and think he's smart. I hope Žižek doesn't let him get away with arguments like "clean room -> community leader -> solving world problems". Those are olympic leaps of logic.

Noah Thomas
Noah Thomas

they should've got dyson, last time they went at each other peterson nearly cried.

Xavier Ross
Xavier Ross

link

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

also he always sounds like he's going to cry, it's unnerving

Hudson Gonzalez
Hudson Gonzalez

youtube.com/watch?v=GxYimeaoea0&t=5221s

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

2 hour debate
political correctness
yeah das gonna be a no from me

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

Debates are pointless no one has ever changed their mind because of a debate

Thomas Long
Thomas Long

i think most people know this, the point of debates is to try to change the audience opinion, not the debaters.

David Cooper
David Cooper

i feel like zizek would actually find a way to do that just to be a contrarian
at any rate i assume jordan peterson will be negotiating subjects to make sure he doesn't get owned

Nicholas Wood
Nicholas Wood

Actually untrue. Read Gramsci, this is not about a debate, this is about cultural hegemony and symbolic relations of power. Zizek could easily ridicule all of Peterson's theoretical assertion, critical theory is much much stronger than anything Jordy could come up with.

Luis Nguyen
Luis Nguyen

First time watching Peterson in a public arena. Can't believe this is the """"intellectual"""" being praised by the majority of my countrymen. As is typical for those who are highly praised as master debaters, he’s nothing more than a sophist.

1. His first response was to completely dodge the question posed by the fatass environmentalist, by asking her to restate the question more politely, since he was somehow “offended” by the use of the word “banal”. Are you fucking kidding me? This is the equivalent of FIFA players pretending to get injured in hopes of drawing sympathy from a ref who wasn’t paying attention. In no way could the comment have been construed as being as offensive as he made it out to be, and if he was intellectually honest, he could have just pointed it out and quickly answered the question anyways. But no, he had to be petulant and demanded that she restate her entire question, like she was a little child.

2. So she restates the question, and he has the gall to interrupt her halfway showing that he didn’t really feel insulted, he was just trying to get the audience on his side. His response? “Do you think that you’re worse off than your grandparents?”. Witty, eh? But also a COMPLETE DODGE yet again as he refuses to actually answer the question. But wait, that’s not all! Even if we discarded the original question and moved onto the topic he is apparently more comfortable with, the advent of neoliberalism happened in the 70s and onwards, not the period during the World Wars and certainly not during the immediate post-war period. The facts are that this generation is objectively living worse than their PARENTS and are dying sooner as well. Of course Peterson knows this, which is why he chose to go back further down the family line, like the snake he is.

3. FINALLY he decides to give an actual response when confronted by the host about dodging the question. It boils down to this: “People should have their own houses in order before they go about reorganizing the world”. The problem is, this is only true UP TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. Obviously, you can’t be, say, addicted to crystal meth and expect to change the world. Yet at the same time the personal lives of many “great leaders” happens to be filled with all sorts of stuff showing that they didn’t have their “house in order”, from FDR’s lust and affairs to Churchill’s sloth and alcohol and cigarette abuse. The reality is that we are all sinners who have fallen short of God, and in trying to reach for perfection we will always fall short, meaning that AT SOME POINT, at some level of basic mastery, despite still having deficiencies in whatever area, you are STILL competent enough to set out to engage the world and to enact policy.

4. Peterson finishes by stating “I think that generally…people are dealing with difficult [personal issues] and that generally the way they avoid them is by adopting pseudo-moralistic stances on large-scale social issues so that they look good to their friends and neighbors”. This entire statement is just an ad-hominem, a fact not recognized by the clearly retarded audience. The reason for adopting a stance on a social issue has nothing to do with the rightness or correctness of such an actual stance, and neither does it have any bearing on the necessity of doing so.

Holy fuck how are so many people fooled by this moron?

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Asher Edwards
Asher Edwards

how are people fooled by this moron?

Because he makes the suhjoowuhs and libs cry, and that = good.

Christopher Martinez
Christopher Martinez

To add to your third point, Jordan Peterson himself had admitted that he himself today lives with crippling depression, indicating that his house is not in order, not even when it comes to the mental well-being of a person. Peterson is a talking, talking contradiction that almost always has an argument, until he has to drop that line of reason in some other case, because the logic of the two arguments he's trying to present are contradictory.

For example, he argues that women leave the workplace at 30 to become housemothers simply because that's within their nature and that social pressures can't have anything to do with it because it also happens in Scandinavia (which surely don't have any social pressures towards women at all), but the reason we're monogamous as a species is because of social pressures.

He's just a cult leader for people who desperatly want answers as to why the system isn't working, and what he's selling is complacency with a LOT of fascist assumptions buildt into them.

Ayden Scott
Ayden Scott

another funny thing is that one of his twelve rules for life is "Be precise in your speech"
which he isn't and always complains that hes being misrepresented

Logan Diaz
Logan Diaz

Holy fuck how are so many people fooled by this moron?
Because they don't care. He offends the big dumb libtards, which automatically justifies everything that has ever come out of his mouth.
Peterson is so popular in the US because he caters to a generation of young adults that is so extremely socially alienated that they have not emotionally developed past teenhood. They are literally not mature enough to see past the charade, and by the time they do get to that point, he will already be on easy street from book sales.

Michael Russell
Michael Russell

Also remember that there is literally no theory you need to learn to go further right from liberals. No previous brainwashing propaganda to shed, shedding of the liberal worldview, nothing. The bar of entry to fascism is very low – literally just a few talking points against libtards, LGBTQ+, blacks, women, and communists that need to be memorized and parroted.

Anthony Sullivan
Anthony Sullivan

This is great too

youtube.com/watch?v=y_xtAhGcDnE

He tries really hard to pretend he's not just a transphobe, but directly say that they're not women and that gender essentialism is important.

Beyond that he tries to say that the Transgender law is different to other hate-speech laws in that it is "compelled speech", but this is such as dishonest slight of hand I almost can't beleive it.

No one's forcing you to greet a transperson by saying "Hello, you are a woman". No. No speech is fucking mandated, you idiot, it only says that you cannot 'not' call them women, and thus if you just avoid pronouns or the subject there won't be any punishment at all. It's the same as saying you're forced to call blacks people. No you're not, you just can't call them animals, you mong.

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

It's the same as saying you're forced to call blacks people.
No it fucking is not.

Thomas Torres
Thomas Torres

How is it different?
In all cases Where you would be forced to acknowledge transwomen as women are also the exact same situations Where youd be mandated to acknowledge black people as people. Name a scenario Where it'd be different.

Ayden Moore
Ayden Moore

implying calling males men is the equivalent of calling black people animals

Justin Hernandez
Justin Hernandez

Is the meme here that transwomen aren't women?

Carter Gomez
Carter Gomez

They aren't you liberal.

Justin Morales
Justin Morales

Generally speaking transpeoples brains are more similar to their preferred gender, then to their sex
so mentally speaking they are their gender

Wyatt Jackson
Wyatt Jackson

Peterson is an idiot and far beneath Zizek. He will flail around while not understanding anything Slavoj says and then his side will say he won.

Christopher Turner
Christopher Turner

I think Peterson is a cultural christian/ christian atheist, even if he hasn't admitted it.

Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

His fans think he is infallible.

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

post-modernism rejects materialism

This is how you can tell Zig Forums has read as much of Deleuze and Lyotard as the Peterson fanboys. If anything, marxism is more idealistic for hanging on to meta-narratives, which are dualistic in nature.

Peterson is a talking, talking contradiction that almost always has an argument, until he has to drop that line of reason in some other case, because the logic of the two arguments he's trying to present are contradictory.

It's like there are people who aren't one-dimensional repositories of ideology. I know, it probably drives you mad like your toy cars not neatly being lined up in alphabetical order.

Cameron Edwards
Cameron Edwards

It's like there are people who aren't one-dimensional repositories of ideology. I know, it probably drives you mad like your toy cars not neatly being lined up in alphabetical order.

No dude. if he's presenting himself as an intellectual then he should know his shit.

Chase Diaz
Chase Diaz

That's the beauty of science, accepting that we don't know everything, that no theory has all the answers, and that the the answers there are aren't always clear-cut and often contradictory.

Or you're just way smarter than me and have come up with a sustainable M-theory, in which case probs to you.

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

This. I love how his fans say he's an expert in all the fields he shits on, but when a contradiction is shown they use excuses like he's not a professional neuroscientist. Nothing unusual, just your garden variety cognitive dissonance.

Daniel Nelson
Daniel Nelson

Isn't this the case with almost all right-wing "celebrities"? Ben Shapiro, PJW, JP, Charlie Kirk, the "gun girl", etc. They're all exceptionally intellectually dishonest.

Thomas Ross
Thomas Ross

If that line of thought is to be accepted, then anything goes and pseudoscience in all it's forms is totally legitimate.
If we accept that we can make any hypothesis we want to, and then discount any evidence against it or internal contradictions of it as "not-counting", then any framework that tries to discern any kind of relationship within the objective world is simply futile.
Such a position would make meaningless any kind of sociology, economy, anthropolgy and behavioral science.

To say that you do not *have* to be consistent is not only uncivilized, it is anticivilized, it's a call to return to magical traditionalism of the pre communalized irrationalized and asocial society.

So, yes, Peterson has to be consistent, or we'd have to live in a society of idiocy.

Julian Harris
Julian Harris

To say that you do not *have* to be consistent is not only uncivilized, it is anticivilized, it's a call to return to magical traditionalism of the pre communalized irrationalized and asocial society.

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Sebastian Green
Sebastian Green

It's not like their leftists adversaries are much different (except for having much more punchable faces).

Youtube lends itself to lowbrow populism by nature, the majority of people don't want to watch in-dept videos, they want to watch 5-20 min videos in which people they don't like get destroyed by FACTS and LOGIC. It's pretty sad to see even people who aren't complete idiots, like contrapoints, degenerate into caricatures of themselves, flashing their tits at the boogeyman of the day.

If that line of thought is to be accepted, then anything goes and pseudoscience in all it's forms is totally legitimate.
Not at all. Quite the opposite in fact, it have most often been the theories that claim to be the base of everything/their entire discipline, that have proven to be thoroughly pseudo-scientific.
To say that you do not *have* to be consistent is not only uncivilized, it is anticivilized, it's a call to return to magical traditionalism of the pre communalized irrationalized and asocial society.
It's the very base of science, that a theory is only correct in so far that it is the best theory we have, and does not have to perfectly overlap with other theories. It's how we can have psychology, without fully understanding how it fits in with neuroscience, it's how we can have a theory of gravity, without being able to merge it with the other three forces.
So, yes, Peterson has to be consistent, or we'd have to live in a society of idiocy.
How's your progress on the theory-of-everything going on, Mr. Big Brain?

Brayden Green
Brayden Green

Oh, I see what going on. You didn't quite get what I meant.

Pseudo-scientiffic does not mean "incorrect in it's assumptions" rather it means "unfalsifiable". The reason we know that none of those totalizing theories were false today is exactly because they were scientific and falsifiable, and thus were eventually falsified.

To say that a principle is not universal in every situation is not the same as saying that it is still valid if it is contradictory.
A different principle working in a different context, does not cause a contradiction.

A contradiction is when you say that women quit the workingplace a 30 because of natural pressures, because it cannot be social pressures because no laws specifically discriminate, and then turn around and say that infidelity is uncommon because of social pressures, even though no law exists outlawing infidelity, is a massive contradiction, because takes that a principle can both prove and not prove something (absense of laws indicating absense of social pressure and not indicating absense of social pressures at the same time).

Thus, in a framework where logic can be self-contradictory - and that it not to say that logic has to be universal and totalizing - is one where only the magical taboo irrationalism of precivilized brutality can rule.

Owen Gray
Owen Gray

*The reason we know that none of those totalizing theories were true today

Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

I hate words that have more than one meaning

W…what?!

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

Pseudo-scientiffic does not mean "incorrect in it's assumptions" rather it means "unfalsifiable". The reason we know that none of those totalizing theories were false today is exactly because they were scientific and falsifiable, and thus were eventually falsified.
Not really, unfalsifiable, means unfalsifiable. But anyway, to argue any further on the exact nature of what makes something pseudo-science is to enter a pointless nuh-uh linguistic back-and-forth, so lets leave it at that.
To say that a principle is not universal in every situation is not the same as saying that it is still valid if it is contradictory.
I must have misunderstood your previous post then.

A contradiction is when you say that women quit the workingplace a 30 because of natural pressures, because it cannot be social pressures because no laws specifically discriminate, and then turn around and say that infidelity is uncommon because of social pressures, even though no law exists outlawing infidelity, is a massive contradiction, because takes that a principle can both prove and not prove something (absense of laws indicating absense of social pressure and not indicating absense of social pressures at the same time).

I don't know how Peterson said that, and in what context. What I can say is that there isn't really a separation between natural and social pressures, and that any given thing that any given person does can be said to follow from social pressures. What Peterson probably referred to is the feminist notion that women make different life and especially career choices than men do because of patriarchal stereo-typing and all that, something which is contradicted by the fact that women in by any means (except those of post-colonial studies, which puts the prophet muhammad right up there with simone de beauvoir) much more patriachal countries, like pakistan, choose the STEM field much more often than women in countries like norway do, precisely because more egalitarian societies allow women the freedom to shape their own lives.

Thus, in a framework where logic can be self-contradictory - and that it not to say that logic has to be universal and totalizing - is one where only the magical taboo irrationalism of precivilized brutality can rule.
Whats funny then is that the Pirahá, the tribe that is socio-linguistically the furthest from a civilized imaginary order, are also the biggest fedora tippers out there, showing no interest in or comprehension of all things not nominal.

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

girl brain
Read Cordelia Fine

Lincoln Morgan
Lincoln Morgan

See, the problem of what Jordan Peterson does is assume that no social pressures exist in Scandinavia towards gender standards - something that seem contentious to Dane like myself - because there are no discriminatory laws. It does not have the nuance of suggesting a combined natural and social drive , no, he says that social pressure is dispoven, it does not factor, yet he later argues that social pressure *can* exist when talking aobut infidelity, which destabilizes the way he tried to prove the first claim.

which by the way, pointing to the middle east, pointing out how women in patriarchal societies venture into STEM less often than in less patriarchal ones does not prove what you think it does.
Why would a patriarchal society seek to make women more like men? No patriarchal society has ever done that. That would make the modern middle east the only exception to the rule that a patriarchal society feminizes women and locks them more strictly into their gender-roles, simply indicating that such countries does not associate STEM with masculinity, which is mostly a western attitude.

the tribe that is socio-linguistically the furthest from a civilized imaginary order, are also the biggest fedora tippers out there, showing no interest in or comprehension of all things not nominal.

Ah, but "rational" does not mean "not susperstitious" or religious, it means guided by rationality or logic. I bet you if you visited that tribe, you find that they don't make their law by arguing what is right and wrong and by trying to demonstrate the logic of it and why it is dessirable, but merely point to tradition and taboo, which is what marks traditional primitive society.

Zachary Reyes
Zachary Reyes

Popper's definition of science
((anglo,)) leave

Aaron White
Aaron White

See, the problem of what Jordan Peterson does is assume that no social pressures exist in Scandinavia towards gender standards - something that seem contentious to Dane like myself - because there are no discriminatory laws. It does not have the nuance of suggesting a combined natural and social drive , no, he says that social pressure is dispoven, it does not factor, yet he later argues that social pressure *can* exist when talking aobut infidelity, which destabilizes the way he tried to prove the first claim.

Social pressures then, are like leprechauns, if you haven't found them, that only proves how intricate and how good at hiding and masquerading they are, and how those who study them need more money to support their efforts. Not that I imagine scandinavia to be the land of absolute, untainted autonomy, but to extend the explanation that is "social pressure" in such manner is begging the question in a manner that's just pure ideology.

Why would a patriarchal society seek to make women more like men? No patriarchal society has ever done that. That would make the modern middle east the only exception to the rule that a patriarchal society feminizes women and locks them more strictly into their gender-roles, simply indicating that such countries does not associate STEM with masculinity, which is mostly a western attitude.

Women in those countries study STEM more because it provides them with an income security that they otherwise wouldn't have, unlike women in Scandinavia, for whom there is a whole lot more possibility between engineering and being married off to your cousin. It has preciously little to do with the reputation of STEM, which, like all higher education in places like pakistan, is far from being seen as gender-neutral.

Ah, but "rational" does not mean "not susperstitious" or religious, it means guided by rationality or logic. I bet you if you visited that tribe, you find that they don't make their law by arguing what is right and wrong and by trying to demonstrate the logic of it and why it is dessirable, but merely point to tradition and taboo, which is what marks traditional primitive society.

The rational and enlightened also point to tradition and taboo, it's just a lot more convoluted and artificial for them. Any argument about what is right and wrong starts with presumptions that are themselves above the arguments that appeal to them. Here's more on that lacan.com/zizek-signifier.htm

Cooper Sanders
Cooper Sanders

but to extend the explanation that is "social pressure" in such manner is begging the question in a manner that's just pure ideology.

Ideology is real though. As someone who grew up as a man, I definitely felt all the pressures towards oversexualizing women, towards dressing and acting in certain ways, towards playing and enjoying football, towards fetishizing cars and so on.
Now none of these are coercion per se, but they certainly are pressures, and not all of them make sense in a naturalistic way or one that believes that these drives are found within genes: the love of cars, football or beer, for example does not make sense in a darwinistic sense, as they're fairly recent inventions, so surely they must represent things that the majority of men enjoy, not out of natural love, but because of social pressures - and note, not coercion - to do so.
The same can be said for a lot of roles that women do in scandinavian society, and to believe that the fethishzation and marketing of baby-dolls towards little girls have no later role to play in why they tend towards nuturing roles in society seems a little delusional to anyone who grew up experiencing gendered pressures.

It has preciously little to do with the reputation of STEM, which, like all higher education in places like pakistan, is far from being seen as gender-neutral.

As a person who know hundreds of people from the ME - Specifically Kurdish, Turkish and Farsi people, I can tell you that since the ME never went through the European enlightenment, the concept of masculinity never came to be associated specifically with masculinity, the modernist philosophy being a rather recent introduction into middle-eastern society.
Middle-Eastern masculinity is much more bound to virility, bodily strenght and social agreeableness whereas "smarts" are seen as more effiminate and passive skills. That is not to say that there is no pressure against it, but simply that most pressure in the middle east against education for women is against education in general.

The rational and enlightened also point to tradition and taboo

They do sometimes point to it, and they can utilize an invokation of tradition, but they can also break tradition, even while invoking superstition and the belief in gods by appealing to logic, which makes a very important difference between the creative, modable and transformative societies of ancient greece, and the european hunter-gatherers who had no mechanism for escaping tradition at all.

Evan Perez
Evan Perez

Ideology is real though. As someone who grew up as a man, I definitely felt all the pressures towards oversexualizing women, towards dressing and acting in certain ways, towards playing and enjoying football, towards fetishizing cars and so on. Now none of these are coercion per se, but they certainly are pressures, and not all of them make sense in a naturalistic way or one that believes that these drives are found within genes: the love of cars, football or beer, for example does not make sense in a darwinistic sense, as they're fairly recent inventions, so surely they must represent things that the majority of men enjoy, not out of natural love, but because of social pressures - and note, not coercion - to do so.
This assumes that there is pre-existing equilibrium of likings and preferences, that is then disturbed by outside social pressures. In the absence of evidence for such a theoretical equilibrium, I'd say that gender is inherently disparate in all its facets, with said social pressures following their way alongside them (with those in turn influencing the disparity).

Is it that I don't like football because I wasn't pressured into liking it? Is it that I like beer because I was pressured into it? Am I arguing with you here because I was pressured to argue with people on the internet? The main problem with this line of reasoning is that it is impossible to know what I would have been, in the absence of the pressures that are assumed to be the reason for me being as I am. It is not necessarily wrong, far from it, it's that it ends up biting its tail. (Foucault deals with this)

The same can be said for a lot of roles that women do in scandinavian society, and to believe that the fethishzation and marketing of baby-dolls towards little girls have no later role to play in why they tend towards nuturing roles in society seems a little delusional to anyone who grew up experiencing gendered pressures.
That assumes that girls choose those toys because they are marketed to them, and not the other way around. Typical difference in play is something that is present in all cultures, and always has been, long preceding toy advertisements.

As a person who know hundreds of people from the ME - Specifically Kurdish, Turkish and Farsi people, I can tell you that since the ME never went through the European enlightenment, the concept of masculinity never came to be associated specifically with masculinity, the modernist philosophy being a rather recent introduction into middle-eastern society.
As such, you should also be able to tell me that the gender division of men as workers and do'ers and that of women as child-bearers and homemakers is much stronger among those from the middle-east

They do sometimes point to it, and they can utilize an invokation of tradition, but they can also break tradition, even while invoking superstition and the belief in gods by appealing to logic, which makes a very important difference between the creative, modable and transformative societies of ancient greece, and the european hunter-gatherers who had no mechanism for escaping tradition at all.
Archeological findings indicate that there were significant differences in tradition between hunter-gatherers, given that they all descended from just a few tribes, that shouldn't have been the case if their traditions were unbreakable.

Isaac Torres
Isaac Torres

We're not talking about you though, we're talking about the aggregate of society, and to suggest that football is as uniquely meritable as to garner a vast spopular following of people that all individaully have been uninfluenced by exactly the kinds of social pressures that we both have experienced seems a little like simply being unwillingness to create any kind of lens with which we may interpret and analyze society at all.
That is unless you think that beer, football and cars are somehow objectively good to men at a biological level, which seems like a controversial statement.

That assumes that girls choose those toys because they are marketed to them, and not the other way around.

There is no meritable analysis of mass-media, avertizement and propaganda that does not conceede that mass-media can manufacture consensus, so even if it is true that girls were more likely to buy those things to begin with, there is simply no meritable analasys of media that would not concluded that such marketing would not both socially enforce and exasserbate such roles in society. I thouroughly doubt that you could find even one media critic, regarless of political position, who'd claim anything like that.

you should also be able to tell me that the gender division of men as workers

Ummm… So you conceede that women are driven more towards homemaking in more patriarchal societies? Because what you're suggesting here is 100% compatible with everything I've said, and sort of conceedes to my point about patriarchy enforcing classical gender-roles. You're confusing me a little now.

tradition between hunter-gatherers, given that they all descended from just a few tribes, that shouldn't have been the case if their traditions were unbreakable.

All evidence is that they were surprisingly alike, considering how long they existed compared to civilized society.
Almost all hunter-gatherer societies had relatively egalitarian social orders, with most of them being matriarchal, having elements of gerontalism, some kind of belief in nature-spirits and certain roles for communication with such spirits. That kind of homogenous existence in the incredibly long and isolated history of primitive hunter-gatherers indicate a miraculous conservation of their tradition and general way of life in comparison to civil society that diversified and reformed itself into vastly differend and unrecognizable societies in only a fraction of the time that hunter-gatherers existed.
The fact that the Pirahá have such a wealth of things in common with the way European hunter-gatherers organized themselves 12.000 years ago shows an incredible, almost unfathomable conservation of sacred tradition.

Liam Jones
Liam Jones

To elaborate on gender-roles in the middle-east:

What I am suggesting is that both Scandinavia and ME are patriarchal societies with social pressures towards women, but that patriarchy does not manifest itself the same way in the different cultures and has to be understood contextually; the fraction of women in STEM means nothing in a society that does not confer value to that issue.

Aiden Scott
Aiden Scott

Might give this talk a look at tonight, or tomorrow, anyone seen it yet and how was it?
Slavoj Žižek on Stalinism, Freedom, Ideology and so on and so on youtube.com/watch?v=Np-EUnUmReI
that title though lol

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Levi Allen
Levi Allen

I remember it was good but I don't remember the details, because he repeats himself a lot in his lectures (not necessarily a bad thing). If my notes are correct, that's what he talked about:
Today's ideology: cheated at the level of implications
Modern ideologists are resigned cynics: admit everything, but instead of rising big systemic questions blame it on individual; "immobilizing cynicism"
perverted egotism: perceive others as obstacles; destroying others means more than your happiness
super ego - obscheene ethical agency; your failure is part of the game in advance
Power of modern boss is even stronger
Moscow 1935: "shecond guy would disappear even faster"
Stalin was wrong, but nobody could have done better (? don't remember this point; echoes his idea of predestination)
no power structure can reproduce itself without inherent transgression (Yugo army example; homo innuendo)
The art is not to make big radical demands. It's a very comfortable position to sit back with your radical demands
Ideology works even if you don't take it seriously. It has to be taken not seriously
More good dogmas -> more progress

Parker Hernandez
Parker Hernandez

Also he thinks our tragedy today is that we don't take our ideology seriously. This allows it to go on. Jokes about a special soviet bureau that wrote political jokes (probably it was in another video).
Cynicism and self-irony give sort of another layer of "non-seriousness" that allows current ideology to persist. Gangnam style example and so on (pretty sure this is from another video) *sniff*

Jordan Hill
Jordan Hill

Lol you dumb fucking anarchist, it's understandable that a non-passing transsexual will still be called a man. It's not fucking understandable why you would call blacks not human unless you're from the 1800s or some braindead stormfronter. The fact you used "forced" in that shit analogy reveals a lot about you.

Ethan Morris
Ethan Morris

HOW CAN YOU CRITICIZE THE SYSTEM IF YOU DON'T EVEN OWN REAL ESTATE?

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John Johnson
John Johnson

We're not talking about you though, we're talking about the aggregate of society, and to suggest that football is as uniquely meritable as to garner a vast spopular following of people that all individaully have been uninfluenced by exactly the kinds of social pressures that we both have experienced seems a little like simply being unwillingness to create any kind of lens with which we may interpret and analyze society at all.
If you take a lens and scratch "social pressure" into it, everything you look at through it will have the term embedded into it. That's what you seem unable to understand, how you're begging the question and in this manner make "social pressure" into a practically meaningless concept that can be used as the explanation for anything and everything any given person does or prefers.
There is no meritable analysis of mass-media, avertizement and propaganda that does not conceede that mass-media can manufacture consensus, so even if it is true that girls were more likely to buy those things to begin with, there is simply no meritable analasys of media that would not concluded that such marketing would not both socially enforce and exasserbate such roles in society. I thouroughly doubt that you could find even one media critic, regarless of political position, who'd claim anything like that
Whatever mass-media can or cannot manufacture, there's no reason or evidence whatsoever to conclude that it is toy marketing that is responsible for differences in play. That is my point, which you purposefully ignore by cutting out the second part in your quotation. And even if they do "socially enforce" such roles, so what, what is wrong with women being caring? By that standard, every sport, every toy, every thing that isn't a universal constant, could be seen as tainted simply because its common presence entices people to it. This is my main issue with radical leftism, it has at its core this absolute puritanism which views the entirety of human existence as a defiling of a pure, untainted, uninfluenced, unoppressed core that has been suffocated under all the layers; it's the purest form of idealism there is.
Ummm… So you conceede that women are driven more towards homemaking in more patriarchal societies? Because what you're suggesting here is 100% compatible with everything I've said, and sort of conceedes to my point about patriarchy enforcing classical gender-roles. You're confusing me a little now.
Yes, I fully agree that in cultures in which women are rarely allowed anything different than being married (off) to take on the sole role of homemaker, they will rarely be anything different than that. What this does not mean is that this isn't a natural inclination for women.
All evidence is that they were surprisingly alike, considering how long they existed compared to civilized society. Almost all hunter-gatherer societies had relatively egalitarian social orders, with most of them being matriarchal, having elements of gerontalism, some kind of belief in nature-spirits and certain roles for communication with such spirits. That kind of homogenous existence in the incredibly long and isolated history of primitive hunter-gatherers indicate a miraculous conservation of their tradition and general way of life in comparison to civil society that diversified and reformed itself into vastly differend and unrecognizable societies in only a fraction of the time that hunter-gatherers existed.
I'm truly wondering where you are getting your evidence from then, as neither archaeological findings nor current observations of hunter-gatherers backs that up. Some of there are egalitarian, others had graves filled with beads that would have taken craftsmen many years to create. Some of them were peaceful, others exterminated and ate other tribes. Some of there were matriarchal, others have a habit of smashing in the skulls of women considered to be a burden. Some of them went to extreme lengths in their worship, others couldn't care less about spiritual entities.
The fact that the Pirahá have such a wealth of things in common with the way European hunter-gatherers organized themselves 12.000 years ago shows an incredible, almost unfathomable conservation of sacred tradition.
That's true, but it's true in the same sense that it is true that us europeans have a wealth of things in common with every other civilization that domesticated animals, uses electricity, wind-power, the combustion engine, agriculture, the press, the internet etc etc. You're looking at hunter-gathers from an abstracted standpoint, treating their believe in spirits as the believe in entities that are interchangeable, whilst allowing the beliefs of civilizations a view of their finer, more particular differences.

Jose Edwards
Jose Edwards

As I've said before (and which you ignored), women in the middle-east choose the STEM field because it gives them (income) security, for them it's a matter of necessity that it isn't for women in scandinavia, as such, women in scandinavia can choose based on preference. Given your reasoning, we must either conclude that patriachy is a human constant that only ever changes form, that all feminists efforts have been in vain and can therefor be scrapped, or accept that when the choices women make don't statistically align with those men make it, this isn't evidential of a patriarchal force keeping the ratio of choices from being at an equilibrium.

The great contradiction of feminism is that it tells us to respect women's choices, whilst simultaneously denying them the validity of every choice they make as being nothing more than patriarchal programming which needs to be undone. This is why the more influence feminists get in any given society, the more outlandish and far-fetched their claims of oppression become, why nothing is ever equal enough, why nothing is ever diverse enough, why nothing is ever pro-women enough, and why it has bitten down on its own tail in the transgender issue.

Oliver Ramirez
Oliver Ramirez

concept that can be used as the explanation for anything and everything any given person does or prefers.

yes, but clearly I'm not interested in any given person. I'm interested in society on aggregate as the "average man" doesn't exist, but an aggregate of of tendencies within society does. And unless you want to suggest that societal tendecies are random, and the explaination from nature makes less sense and is much more internally inconsistent as demonstrated earlier.

And even if they do "socially enforce" such roles, so what, what is wrong with women being caring?

Not all men want to care about football, or want to play tough all the time. The problem is that it restricts those who diverge even slightly from the societal standard from natural, free life. And so whether or not these differences in play exist on the basis of natural lines, it cannot be argued and social structures around that does not seek to quell individual choices. It is not uncommon to seem boy having toys they legitimately wanted to play with in kindergarden, because "those toys were for girls", and so whether or not masculiniity and traditional gender roles is natural to most boys, it isn't to all boys, and we have to face that fact.
So, nothing it's wrong about girls having caring natures, what's wrong is making girls who don't feel that they're not proper girls and they ought conform.

I'm truly wondering where you are getting your evidence from then, as neither archaeological findings nor current observations of hunter-gatherers backs that up

This is so common knowledge in the Anthropology community, that it's basically a truism. Paleolithic societies do not have commodity production and personal property seldom exists. It's such an issue of non-contention within the community that it's even on freaking wikipedia. Sure, you can find outliers, but this is the vast tendency over all of time and all of geography.

whilst allowing the beliefs of civilizations a view of their finer, more particular differences.

And that's what I mean. Compared to how long they have existed, and over how much territory they've been spread, the differences are petty. Almost all paleolithic societies are and were matriarchal and gerontalist: No such uniformity of social organization can be found within civilized society, that had everything ffrom confederations of direct democracies functioning within hereditary feudal societies, to Warrior-caste states, to states run by reason and argument, to theocracies, to bureaucracies - a whole wealth of societies entirely alien to each other emerging and competing with each other from the single fact that all of them presented the break with the Rule of Taboo.

Given your reasoning, we must either conclude that patriachy is a human constant that only ever changes form

My reasoning is that comparing the West to the ME is the exact kind of unsophisticated totalizing of knowledge that you warned the rest of us about, since the mechanism of patriarchy in the West and the ME are entirely different. Thus, you cannot conclude that less women in the middle east would be in STEM if they were less restricted in the gender roles, because it is true in the West, because gender-roles and thus gendered pressures aren't the same.

accept that when the choices women make don't statistically align with those men make it, this isn't evidential of a patriarchal force keeping the ratio of choices from being at an equilibrium.

Noone has ever or will ever claim this. All this is, is a strawman. No, it is not proof in of itself. Of course it isn't. But compiled with a lot of other things of media theory, of studies of stereotype threat and, indeed, the lived experiences of both men and women, then it can be used as evidence, not proof, to back up a larger hypothesis.

There is no contradiction of feminism here. While we can acknowledge that free will doesn't really exist, you still have to treat people as if it did on an individual level.
So, it may be that a person was brainwashed into murdering someone else, but if they would keep on doing that because of that programming, we'd still have to send them in jail. So you can realize that true free will doesn't exist, while still realizing that this has little meaning outside of the aggregate of society as a whole.

why it has bitten down on its own tail in the transgender issue.

What are you talking about? Are you implying that ranswomen aren't women?

Lincoln Jones
Lincoln Jones

*transwomen

Nolan Murphy
Nolan Murphy

Zizek might agree with him on this one, cf. The Monstrosity of Christ or whatever it was called *sniff*

Nathaniel Walker
Nathaniel Walker

Interesting parapraxis there
implying traps, sister girls, and eunuchs are women
Come on comrade, as someone familiar with anthropology you should know without a doubt how bound up in childbirth as an initiation ritual womanhood is – as opposed to male initiation ceremonies to confirm manhood, where failure to undertake this initiation makes the boy take on a feminine role, such as sister girl

Adrian Morgan
Adrian Morgan

We both know that feminity and masculinity is much more than reproductive roles:
There is nothing about maleness or sperm-carrying that makes you like long guitar solos and beer; there is nothing about being able to jizz that makes you the breadwinner. There is nothing about having gonads outside of your body rather than inside your body, that makes you want to wear pants over dresses.

All of that is a role one learns to play: A female is born, but a woman is made.
And thus, if a person acts like a woman in all the ways that have any meaning to what being a woman, of course that is a woman in all practical terms.

Juan Ross
Juan Ross

And thus, if a person acts like a woman in all the ways that have any meaning to what being a woman [is], of course that is a woman in all practical terms.
And large parts of what it means to be a woman are bound up in a very material thing known as pregnancy
Even if never the actuality of it, the risk of it, the possibility of it, the hope for it the fear of it
Even when diagnosed sterile, this very diagnosis is conditioned on the above points
This meaning to what being a woman is, is utterly inaccesible for all cases of MtF transgenderism whether autoparaphillacs, homosexuals who pass, autists wishing they were anime girls, and transtrenders getting caught up in a fad

Connor Johnson
Connor Johnson

large parts of what it means to be a woman are bound up in a very material thing known as pregnancy
No it isn't?

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

Could you elaborate why? not him but i personally can't see how it wouldn't be a big aspect for every woman.

Michael Fisher
Michael Fisher

every woman will become pregnant? what?

Ryan Wilson
Ryan Wilson

Not all woman want to get pregnant

Matthew Edwards
Matthew Edwards

I know, but the fact that they can get pregnant seems like it would be an important factor in their lives. Worth saying i just came into this conversation, are you talking about trans women and what it really means to be a woman or something like that?

Liam Morales
Liam Morales

This is basically the debate you guys are having rn.

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Blake Russell
Blake Russell

Ancient greeks had no concept of homosexuality, read Foucault.

Jeremiah Campbell
Jeremiah Campbell

taking a meme picture this seriously

Zachary Smith
Zachary Smith

Heh.
Aristotle is wrong about the differentia tho.

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

peterson is ben shapiro tier in politics and arguments and the only thing he is good at is psychology which he goes back to a lot
zizek (sniffs) gets pretty hot (sniffs) too easily and doesn't have a lot of things to goes back to.
i am pretty sure peterson's arguments will be entirely based on American leftist idpol gender and faggots shit and he will throw in some "utopia" arguments

Jack Nelson
Jack Nelson

I wasn't but it's always good to educate lurkers anyway.

Sebastian Carter
Sebastian Carter

i am pretty sure peterson's arguments will be entirely based on American leftist idpol gender and faggots shit
If that’s the case he’ll look like a retard since Zizek hates idpol. All Zizek would have to do to tear down one of Peterson’s central themes is demonstrate that Marxism and idpol are incompatible.

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

Anyone that thinks this will be worthwhile is deluding themselves or a moron. Peterson Fans are spastic tier to a depressing degree. Honestly, go and look at them on youtube comments or reddit or wherever, It's painful. Bunch of burgers and wannabe burgers that never read a book since they finished school, think youtube videos and wikipedia skims is the mark of a scholar and disregard all philosophy that came within the last two centuries on account of being a marxist plot, anti-capitalist or whatever the fuck pseud justification they have. For these absolute bottom-feeders this isn't about having conversations and learning and understanding ideas, it's about buying an image and they're certainly not about to drop that which they are invested in because of a sniffing europoor that is a *gasp* marxist. It seems that any points or attacks raised against Peterson in debate is taken as an attack on the person of the Peterson fan, If we have any ex-Peterson types here I wonder to ask what is the purpose of debate in the mind of a JP acolytfanboy? What does a good debate look like to them?

read Foucault.
This tho. I didn't think you had it in you, Zig Forums!

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Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

I think that it should just not be taken seriously, and just enjoyed for the pure autism of Peterson and his drones. If we're lucky Zizek will take a similar approach, and not take it seriously, instead using it as an opportunity to troll these retards. I'll be attending the debate in person and will be there mostly for the memes.

William Williams
William Williams

who gives a fuck if what you want to fuck would be gay or not
just fuck what you wan't to fuck

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

Also, a category of sexual attraction that includes both dickgirls and gasoline bears doesn't make any sense.

Asher Sullivan
Asher Sullivan

i both want to dick down everything while wanting to be dicked down by things

Cameron Phillips
Cameron Phillips

I'm actually French, kind of a foucault lookalike and am regularly shilling for philosophers.

Kevin Foster
Kevin Foster

you fuck: you are not gay
you get fucked: you are gay
the asshole of a man is same of that of a woman and the strapon or dildo of a woman is the same as the dick of a man because it's shaped like it.
still if you choose a man over a woman you are fucking gay

Nathan Young
Nathan Young

this is the man's laptop who will argue against the most influential philosopher of the 21st century

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Julian Rivera
Julian Rivera

Would you comrades be so kind to fuck off with your off-topic derailing of the thread?

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Aaron Ortiz
Aaron Ortiz

That's the dragon of chaos.

James Anderson
James Anderson

What games do you think he plays?

Aaron Cooper
Aaron Cooper

Skyrim. Killing feminist dragons. Fighting the chaos.

Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

Think he installed any sex mods?

Hudson Hernandez
Hudson Hernandez

youtube.com/watch?v=D7piXqqu4_4

enjoy

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Parker Clark
Parker Clark

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Wyatt Robinson
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Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

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Robert Ortiz
Robert Ortiz

2836999
Did you jut come here from 2012, faggot?

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

make threads about this shit on /tv/

boards.4channel.org/tv/thread/111393152

If the thread is buried by the time you check it, start another one!

William Mitchell
William Mitchell

my nigga

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

This thread hurt to read

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Evan Hall
Evan Hall

Will it be MMA or just boxing?

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

2 more days, fams

Daniel Foster
Daniel Foster

boards.4channel.org/tv/thread/111559946

Grayson Mitchell
Grayson Mitchell

Deleuze
postmodernist

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Henry Perez
Henry Perez

as it is deconstruction of the current one.

Fuck of Focult, "deconstruction” didn’t exist in the nineteenth century. Marxism is an analysis and understanding of history along the lines of class struggle. As well as an economic theory of how capitalism operates. Marx analyzed Capitalism, he didn’t “deconstruct” it.

Andrew Cox
Andrew Cox

marxism is idealistic because muh metanarratives
Explain this criticism.

Bentley Long
Bentley Long

This

Owen Campbell
Owen Campbell

April, not March.

Carter Edwards
Carter Edwards

Zizek will choke

Luke Evans
Luke Evans

literally, on his own spit

Luis Long
Luis Long

1 more day, my niggas.
1 more day and we shall see.

Anthony Collins
Anthony Collins

A whole crock of bullshit. What do you know about Deleuze lmfao

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

APRIL, NOT MARCH

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

holy shit he is such a prick

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Hunter Wright
Hunter Wright

<durr einstein should have cleaned his room and worked on penmanship before he tried to change physics

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Brayden Mitchell
Brayden Mitchell

Sorry about that. I'm from Venus, and here is already apromarch.

Asher Baker
Asher Baker

Ben Shapiro
I recommend reading How to Debate Leftists and Destroy Them if you want to know what it would be like if a 7th grader thought he was a genius, pic related

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James Torres
James Torres

their is one exception

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Cameron Williams
Cameron Williams

piers morgan
leftist

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Nicholas Bailey
Nicholas Bailey

Have you given any thought to articulating some methods for fighting inequality that you agree with?
I think concentration on the development of the character of the individual is the best solution.
How can anyone take this guy seriously?

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Luis Moore
Luis Moore

Is it worth dissecting this screencap in terms of JP's obsession with hierarchy or should I just consider this as word salad by lobster rhetoric?

Gavin Harris
Gavin Harris

I dunno man, the guy is a total moron.

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Brayden Cox
Brayden Cox

After reading this thread I want all of us to hop in the pool with the happy little toaster and freinds.

John Peterson
John Peterson

Muh income redistribution
I have been a communist for close to 10 years now, and in all that time I have yet to be met with an argument against marxism that is an actual argument against actual marxism. It's either based on wholesale propaganda completely divorced from reality, or an argument against positions which marxists do not hold.

Literally every fucking time. I swear, liberalism is a developmental disorder.

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

dat pic complete with the downvotes is fucking hilarious

imagine the intellectual capacity of the average hiveminded redditor – they have more nuance than that ducking moron

and ofc: thank u 4 de gold, kind strangr

Easton Hall
Easton Hall

investment in infrastructure makes EVERYONE richer

Nathaniel Miller
Nathaniel Miller

The Framing of the Zizek vs. Peterson Debate
youtube.com/watch?v=1ltTQNNsZ4o

The Framing of the Zizek vs. Peterson Debate
youtube.com/watch?v=tEBNUdoQ9qs

Adam Davis
Adam Davis

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Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

it would be a shitshow
whether you agree with peterson or not he is master-debater and zizek just rambles on and argues about the semantics of definitions

how can you support (point A)?
bot hwat *sniff* iz (point A)?
and how would you refute (point B)?
*sniff* *sniff* (point B) iz pure ideology

his books, interviews, and talks are wildly different from his debates because he is free to ramble on and is not confronted with differing opinions.

Ryder Thomas
Ryder Thomas

whether you agree with peterson or not he is master-debater and zizek just rambles on and argues about the semantics of definitions

But user, rambling on and arguing about semantics is exactly what makes Peterson a master debater.

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

not a fan of either but zizek smashes him, peterson doesn't know what postmodernism is… lol

Robert Wright
Robert Wright

he's a master-bater alright

Samuel Torres
Samuel Torres

I laughed at this

Carter Hall
Carter Hall

Just a heads up, they're going to mostly agree in this "debate".

Robert Campbell
Robert Campbell

Nick Land is only honest because his ability for dissimulation has been shot to hell by amphetamines, and also because he is genuinely misanthropic in his accelerationism. His politics nothing but Joker-tier wanting-to-watch-the-world-burn emotional affect. He is also guilty of granting autonomous agency to a society-wide techno-economic-political system, something which is totally unwarranted and prima facie violates Occam's Razor. Digital voodoo, indeed *sniff*

Caleb Cruz
Caleb Cruz

Slavoj Zizek Birthday Special: Politics, Philosophy, and Hardcore Pornography
youtube.com/watch?v=MTtwrqtBI00
I'm about 00:30 minutes in fucking hilarious

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Anthony Campbell
Anthony Campbell

Peterson should just stop dodging Richard Wolff

Samuel Cox
Samuel Cox

Wolff would tear him to pieces.

Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

youtu.be/MTtwrqtBI00?t=760
The rules of the debate will be:
- 30 minutes each for presenting their case
- 10 minutes response for each
- Q&A

Also:
- Peterson wanted more occasions to be held.
- Zizek thinks that Peterson is a better orator than him.
- He shares that he won't really address Peterson's arguments but will try to address the public instead.
- He will endorse Backstabbin' Bernie in his closing remarks.

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Ayden Miller
Ayden Miller

youtube.com/watch?v=TajewbHnw9M

He will endorse Backstabbin' Bernie in his closing remarks.
back stabbin' Bernie
What is so hard to understand about Bernie being the most left candidate in the US. Yeah, fuck Bernie, vote for the CP-ML candidate in all 50 states! Oh wait…

At least Bernie would move the Overton window back to the left a bit. People are declaring themselves socialists, the word 'socialist' is no longer bad, but actually becoming cool and hip. This is what the left in the US needs.

Jonathan Jones
Jonathan Jones

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Jonathan Lee
Jonathan Lee

How long into the debate will Jordan Peterson cry like a little bitch? Taking bets now.

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Noah Price
Noah Price

n-now post that in the peterson subreddit

Justin Garcia
Justin Garcia

this

Nathaniel Robinson
Nathaniel Robinson

as and some others have pointed out: one cannot even begin to imagine how stupid and silly of a person jordan peterson is. he has routinely been triggered to an incredible degree in response to very reasonable, basic questions about his beliefs

here's one awkward example that comes to mind:
youtube.com/watch?v=e8nTs14qHEI

zizek may actually come out looking like the more normal one in this circus

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William Taylor
William Taylor

I got a meme out of that interview.

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Brandon Carter
Brandon Carter

Sam Harris: "I've never heard so many people applaud an evasion of a simple question"
Peterson's whole career in a sentence tbh

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

phenomenology of spirit can be read as a joke
Mein gott it all makes sense now
New Testament is a comedy, crucifixion is a joke
Zizek truly does not give a fuck holy shit

Jaxon Myers
Jaxon Myers

WHAT DID HE SAY AFTER THAT TELL ME

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

No but I'm shocked I know what it means

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

Peterson will back out, and you can put money down on it.

Cooper Adams
Cooper Adams

Peterson: postmodernism is cultural Marxism (Kulturbolschewismus)!
proceeds to write about lobsters being comparable to humans and how the eternal dragon eats it own tail and how women are chaos and men are order…

What's your problem with Zizek, tho?

Anthony Campbell
Anthony Campbell

Backstabbin' Bernie
It's another confusing filter by BO, mind you!

Aaron Anderson
Aaron Anderson

I would not rule this out! Imagine that A B S O L U T E M O M E N T when Peterson finally decides to check out this "degenerate Marxist lunatic that he will totally own™" 1 week before the debate, and gets totally shocked how totally out of league he is.

Moralist-route
<after consulting with my tour manager, I've decided to put down this offer, since it would legitimize a person joking about Stalin's trillions
Fake-out
<Suddenly I have other commitments
The pomo-route
<My dog just dieded

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Lucas Gomez
Lucas Gomez

You joke about him using his dog as a copout but he blamed his poor discussion with Sam Harris on apple juice

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

I would do it regardless of my career.

Evan Martin
Evan Martin

The… wha… how?

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Isaiah Nelson
Isaiah Nelson

Jordan Peterson and his daughter are on a meat, salt and water diet. That's all they consume. So after a diet like that, drinking something like apple juice can really fuck you up.

Andrew Sullivan
Andrew Sullivan

meat based diet is bad

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Nolan Watson
Nolan Watson

i bet she has some aggressive shits

Blake Jackson
Blake Jackson

being slim means you're healthy

Leo Bailey
Leo Bailey

Well now your boy Peterson can't eat any plants, lol.

youtube.com/watch?v=sPof3taFRto

Heres an article talking about it:
popsci.com/carnivore-all-meat-diet#page-2

Plus look at her fucking hair line. It is unnatural for a person that young to have a resetting hair line especially when her father still has most of his hair.

Jordan Morgan
Jordan Morgan

That's a healthy father-daughter relationship.

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

Evades question about Venezuela being overthrown by imperialism.
Cries about not being allowed to lecture at certain universities.
Goes on about how our social structures are determined by our biology.
<To call Foucault a second rate thinker is a compliment to him.
<People like Foucault, Marx, Freud reduce everything to a single factor.
Peterson fans applaud his unmatched courage.
Peterson completely BTFO lefty news reporter!
youtube.com/watch?v=JdFL63vX07Y

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Lincoln Parker
Lincoln Parker

24:15
HE CRIES AGAIN! AHAHAHAHA

Ayden Martin
Ayden Martin

…remind me why people like this guy again?

Colton Parker
Colton Parker

daddy

Grayson Kelly
Grayson Kelly

I see standards have really declined since the "Vor uns!" guy.

Ethan Adams
Ethan Adams

Because he doesn't challenge their conservative world view, but reinforces it. He talks really smart and sounds intelligent, and arrives at the same conclusions as his followers. But because he takes them on a word joy ride they then feel that their learned/programmed opinions are a result of years of reflection and study. That's why Peterson fans feel so smart and try to emulate the way he speaks online.

Angel Rodriguez
Angel Rodriguez

Sounds like you guys have dirty rooms. You should probably buy some Jordan Peterson clothing, it's a surefire way to get laid.

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Cooper Perez
Cooper Perez

lobster seems comfy

Colton Bennett
Colton Bennett

Why are people calling JP alt-right, he's a scammer cornering the sexual frustration market. Why do people use plastic words like alt-right invented by the media? You know full well he's one of those "facts dont care about your feelings" conservatives so why call it alt-right, it's as dumb as cultural marxism.

Owen Powell
Owen Powell

Except people openly identify as alt-right (and its variants, like alt-light, etc.) while nobody calls himself "a cultural marxist" which is originates in a Nazi conspiracy theory (KulturBolschewismus).

Wyatt Nguyen
Wyatt Nguyen

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Brody Phillips
Brody Phillips

What would the Zizek version of this look like?

Jacob Gomez
Jacob Gomez

The facts are that this generation is objectively living worse than their PARENTS and are dying sooner as well. Of course Peterson knows this, which is why he chose to go back further down the family line, like the snake he is.
He also knows that his audience probably hates their parents, but generally respects or admires their grandparents who were the Greatest Generation when men were men and whatever.

It's far enough back that people are envisioning a romanticized view that has nothing to do with reality.

Adam Hernandez
Adam Hernandez

Zizek on Twitch
youtube.com/watch?v=8Y9-9AkQV-c

enjoy the philosopher being bombarded by edgy comments and memes

Gabriel Reed
Gabriel Reed

Never happening tbh.
You're forgetting that they'll both be getting paid handsomely for this.

Liam Walker
Liam Walker

That's true but the Richard Spencer and the lord of the rings white purity grand black sun oracle mages and whatever the fuck is one subset of LARPing brainlets

Peterson is a scammer within the 'alt-light' that has loads of Canadians in it.

I don't think Zizek is going to placate JP, Zizek knows what he's about and he'll try and bamboozle him and that may involve confusing JPs followers by being affable for a MARXIST but Zizek plays dumb which is why people call him "crypto fash" or some shit. I think behind the humor he might be crypto youtube.com/watch?v=0UIrEJ543uU

Blake Murphy
Blake Murphy

I really hope Zizek calls Peterson out on his bullshit re: global warming. The man's basically a denier, and nobody seems to have called him out on it.

Robert Parker
Robert Parker

those yoga pants
Image their’s a girl who you have a crush on and she finally agrees to hock up with you, and when she comes to your house she’s wearing those lobster yoga pants.

Leo Watson
Leo Watson

not fucking cute translobster gf

Mason Powell
Mason Powell

Whats the inverse of the oedipal called?

Christian Evans
Christian Evans

When you kill your mom and fuck your dad?

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Christian Diaz
Christian Diaz

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Josiah Russell
Josiah Russell

That's just gaydipal.

Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

Electra complex i guess.

Christopher Thomas
Christopher Thomas

Please kill yourself

Isaiah Clark
Isaiah Clark

Žižek is a psychoanalyst
Zizek has studied psychoanalytic theory but has never practiced psychoanalysis.

Jaxson Hughes
Jaxson Hughes

Zizek believes that 20th-century communism (and what survives of it in the 21st century) was a complete disaster, that communism as envisioned by Marx (as a society which, having overcome the contradictions of capitalism, would then be free of alienation and class struggle) is impossible, and that the failure to understand that impossibility was the origin of that disaster.

He's a liberal trying to appropriate the good name of communism for christian social democrats.

Angel Long
Angel Long

He's a liberal trying to appropriate the good name of communism for christian social democrats.

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Cooper Watson
Cooper Watson

This is why Hegel was right to insist that the owl of Minerva takes flight only at dusk; and also why the twentieth-century communist project was utopian precisely insofar as it was not radical enough - that is, insofar as the fundamental capitalist thrust of unleashed productivity survived in it, deprived of its concrete contradictory conditions of existence. The inadequacy of Heidegger, Adorno and Horkheimer, and so on, lies in their abandonment of the concrete social analysis of capitalism: in their very critique or overcoming of Marx, they in a certain way repeat Marx's mistake - like him, they take unleashed productivity as something ultimately independent of the concrete capitalist social formation. Capitalism and communism are not two different historical realizations, two species, of "instrnmental reason" - instrumental reason as such is capitalist, grounded in capitalist relations, and "really existing socialism" failed because it was ultimately a subspecies of capitalism, an ideological attempt to "have one's cake and eat it", to break out of capitalism while retaining its key ingredient. Marx's notion of the communist society is itself the inherent capitalist fantasy; that is, a fantasmatic scenario for resolving the capitalist antagonisms he so aptly described. In other words, our wager is that, even if we take away the teleological notion of communism (the society of fully unleashed productivity) as the implicit standard by which Marx measures the alienation of existing society, the bulk of his "critique of political economy", his insights into the self-propelling vicious cycle of capitalist (re)production, survives.

So Zizek is more radical than Marx, Lenin, and Stalin… because he recognizes that communism is a utopian fantasy, and that rather than fighting for "capitalism without capitalism" we should content ourselves with a bureaucratic welfare state.

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

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Christian Harris
Christian Harris

Not pictured: my ENORMOUS cock.

Grayson Jenkins
Grayson Jenkins

Zizek has already said in a recent RT Interview that it's not a debate. It's a shared Q&A. They won't be engaging each other.

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

Can we get some deepfakes of JP and Mikhailia getting nasty?

I'm hard as diamonds just thinking about it.

Aiden Young
Aiden Young

In his latest twitch interview Z said that he'll start thinking seriously about the debate 1 week before it takes place.

Kevin Collins
Kevin Collins

You didn't understand what Žižek is trying to say. I know it's a cop out but i don't have time to explain the paragraph to you. Maybe another user can.

Hunter Cooper
Hunter Cooper

I'm pretty sure I do understand what Zizek is saying. My point is that if you engage with his thought you will find that not only is he not a "hardline ML", he's not really a marxist-leninist at all. And I think a lot of people don't realize that; they think he's just a trot or a ☭TANKIE☭ with some amusing psychoanalytic & (post-)structuralist bullshit sprinkled on top, but his project is actually critiquing the core or marxist thought itself. And I think the practical consequence of that is he ends up attacking "actually existing socialism" in the name of something supposedly more radical while simultaneously defending liberal social democracy.

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

critiquing the core o[f] marxist thought itself
defending liberal social democracy
Why? Could you please elaborate on this?

Oliver Stewart
Oliver Stewart

This really deserves elaboration. It's a lolcow moment if I ever saw one, and the fact that this somehow didn't get him laughed out of the planet is testament that reality doesn't matter anymore and that we hold our leaders and intellectuals up to the same standards we do sitcom characters. Whatever they do or don't do is irrelevant, because they're intentionally vacuous entities so that their mouthbreathing followers project whatever they want into them. Forget about a boot stomping on a human face, is what the future looks like.

First of all, keep in mind that, besides the biotruth imbecility involving lobsters of all things, Peterson is an atheist yet keeps proselytizing about Jesus because it's important to spread "cultural Christianism" (his term), has depression and, literally, doesn't clean his room, because he's a utterly broken person whoshouldn't be relied on to give you the time of the day, let alone become a self-help guru and political pundit.

reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/8x1tgw/jordan_peterson_drinks_apple_cider_causing_him_to/
theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/the-peterson-family-meat-cleanse/567613/

The alt-right isn't a cause, but rather, the most visible consequence of some bizarre post-modern collective crisis that we haven't diagnosed yet. It's not institutional and neither is it strictly political. Frankly, the best way to describe it that I can conceive is that it's an epistemological crisis. What we think the world is is divorced from what it is. Hyper-reality has taken over, and, conversely, reality has little bearing on our decision process. The map has become the terrain. When it comes to public personalities, they now don't even bother creating a narrative around themselves, but rather present themselves as vaguely and imprecisely as possible, so that people see in them whatever they want to see. How else could the likes of Peterson and Molyneux have become anything other than new iterations of Chris-chan? How else could creatures so devoid of anything positive one could ascribe to humanity such as Trump and Bolsonaro become world leaders? It's what mainstream has defined, very superficially, as post-truth. It's a glimpse of self-awareness, but not enough for them to realize how they're as deep as the alt-right into it. It seems like a communicable cognitive disorder, and might as well be a bonafide memetic infection, caused by a collision of the ruling classes trying to normalize or even naturalize their ideas and steer the public the way they want – which is as old as class society itself – with ubiquituous media, 24/7 news cycle and the internet. At its most basic, it might be the simple fact that every one is us receives and processes far more data about fictive or just plain irrelevant topics than about ones describing reality itself, so telling the latter apart from the rest becomes nearly impossible. An epistemological crisis is, if you forgive the hyperbole, a crisis of reality. *shniff*

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Jose Sanchez
Jose Sanchez

Where is this excerpt from? Is he calling out USSR and mao era china, DPRK, Castro Cuba, Yugoslav as 'state capitalism' when he wrote

(really existing socialism) failed because it was ultimately a subspecies of capitalism, an ideological attempt to "have one's cake and eat it", to break out of capitalism while retaining capitalism's key ingredient
? Like is he seriously asserting productivity whatever the fuck the unleashed productivity means as a necessary condition of capitalism? God am I glad I did not waste any time reading this sniffy boi

Isaac Parker
Isaac Parker

It's pretty clear at least that he's rejecting communism as people normally understand it. Rejecting communism while keeping Marx's critique of capitalism isn't uncommon, it's how you get accelerationism. It's one of the problem with zizek is that he plays rhetorical tricks with labels, like redefining communism as concern for commons or rejecting all real existing socialist states yet calling himself a leninist because of his peculiar interpretation of him.

Ian Miller
Ian Miller

Fuck Peterson,
Fuck Zizek,
Fuck your nerd philosophy shit. Just seize the means of production.

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Lucas James
Lucas James

I haven't seen a single self-help guru who wasn't a full blown scam artist or a miserable cunt using his position to reinforce his own beliefs that are causing him to be miserable in the first place.

epistemological crisis
p.much

Dominic Nelson
Dominic Nelson

anti-oedipus?

Leo Lee
Leo Lee

That would be a gay man who wants to kill his mother and fuck be fucked by his father, wouldn't it? The female counterpart is the Electra complex.

But Sanic, how can we seize them fast?

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Nicholas Green
Nicholas Green

das a gud take

Anthony Lewis
Anthony Lewis

youtube.com/watch?v=eZ4RilPDjQA

awk-ward

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

sanic accelerationism

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

best shit i've read on this website to date.
based. saving this for future reference.

Colton Mitchell
Colton Mitchell

especially when her father still has most of his hair.

Peterson has had hair plugs

Dominic Ward
Dominic Ward

Peterson has had hair plugs
this cuck is the embodiment of a weedy nerd with a chip on his shoulder and he's pretending to be some self-assured ubermensch

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Evan Garcia
Evan Garcia

teespring.com/stores/jordanbpeterson

beyond parody

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Ryan Morgan
Ryan Morgan

The map has become the terrain.
Beautiful metaphor in a great post. Thanks for the effort comrade.

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Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

I believe they are referring to Baudrillard, specifically Simulacra and Simulation, which I should have read by now.
That reminds me. There is a Magritte exhibition currently in my town and I've been meaning to have a look with some of my friends.

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Samuel Jackson
Samuel Jackson

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Elijah Johnson
Elijah Johnson

Nice. Very nice. Like looking into a crystal ball.

Michael Phillips
Michael Phillips

1 week to go

Brayden James
Brayden James

I'm getting nervous. Zizek told in a recent interview what his strategy will be; let Peterson sperg out to his hearts content, and address the audience directly instead of getting into a cat fight. Excellent strategy, and one I was betting Zizek was cooking up all along. I just know the fucking lobster autist takes the whole thing way more seriously the Sniffman realizes, and has seen the interview.

Nicholas Collins
Nicholas Collins

Zizek is an embarrassment to everyone and everything that has to do with the word Left meanwhile BEDERSON keeps saying he's not right wing blah blah and hitler was bad so even if he somehow manages to get BTFO it's not going to be a real win unfortunately.

Ryan Butler
Ryan Butler

Zizek will provide more insightful points, that's all he needs to win in my heart.

Matthew Robinson
Matthew Robinson

Having failed to create computers capable of equaling human beings, they’ve set out to impoverish human experience to the point where life can be confused with its digital modeling. Can one picture the human desert that had to be created to make existence on the social media seem desirable? Just as the traveler had to be replaced by the tourist for it to be imagined that the latter might pay to go all over the world via hologram while remaining in their living room.

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Gabriel Wright
Gabriel Wright

So is it going to be posted online afterward or what?

Brandon Perry
Brandon Perry

youtube.com/watch?v=xvcPq-xyJs4
Jordan Peterson debate: Capitalism, Marxism and Socialism

Here's what we can expect from Jordy.

Also, live thread: boards.4channel.org/tv/thread/112946392

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

Jordan Peterson debate: Capitalism, Marxism and Socialism
muh millions
muh morality
yawn

Jason Myers
Jason Myers

Even the way he walks is dorky. Jordan Peterson is basically Niles Crane, if you dipped him in an ashtray and raplaced his vocal chord with that of his parrot.

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Camden Collins
Camden Collins

Jordan Peterson is a Satanist gate-keeper designed to keep young men from genuine nationalism. He is also a U.N collaborating and IDW (Intellectual Dark Web) member.

Kevin Anderson
Kevin Anderson

Zizek debate screening live in Brooklyn

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Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

What channel will it be streamed on?

Carson Young
Carson Young

lobster.com

Nolan Wright
Nolan Wright

jordanvsslavojdebate.com/
this rich faggot is really making people pay 15$ for something that costs almost 0$.

Elijah Walker
Elijah Walker

someone hack this shit

Luke Lewis
Luke Lewis

Fucking shit. Is there some way we can get a Zig Forums stream going?

Lincoln Green
Lincoln Green

charging 15 dollars for a livestream
Peterson has reached peak grifter. What a pathetic fuck.

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

youtu.be/1Q46AoR80M4 is a link i saw on the zizek subreddit

David Hill
David Hill

My gott, I'm so excited

Cooper Perez
Cooper Perez

Reminder it will be mostly a QA and not a full debate.

Brayden Rodriguez
Brayden Rodriguez

zIzEk Vs. PeTeRsOn
youtube.com/watch?v=UTKAY4uW2pA
BuY bItCoIn HeRe!!!!

Jacob Miller
Jacob Miller

i will gladly pay the 15 dollars to kermit if the stream on youtube goes under and restream it on rabbit or some other thing

Aaron Gutierrez
Aaron Gutierrez

dis stream b good

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Benjamin Smith
Benjamin Smith

Okay so when does this shitshow start now? I'm from Central Europe.

Ayden Morales
Ayden Morales

8 hours from now

Joseph Gray
Joseph Gray

Thank you user.

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

Zizek deconstructs what happiness is
Peterson doesn't get it and talks about Gulag Archipelago
Zizek talks about how US is just as bad, how these kinds of comparisons are ideological
Peterson doesn't get it and talks about Cultural Marxism
Zizek calls Peterson out for pocketing the money
Peterson doesn't get it and talks about Lobsters

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Jaxon Williams
Jaxon Williams

Taking into account all the normies that are going to see this, shouldn´t we organize to redpill them? The least we could do is offer links to the catalog, see if anyone picks the bait: "You really wanna debate, why don´t you try getting here, little pussy" and that kind of things.

Aiden Rivera
Aiden Rivera

I don't think it'll be that effective. You'd be better off posting links to leftist YouTubers or other vids by Zizek

Ian Williams
Ian Williams

I'm going alone and I'm scared I'm going to be seated around a bunch of lobsterheads

Cooper Garcia
Cooper Garcia

Be brave. Wear a Stalin shirt. If they get to uppity, hit them with a newspaper

Kayden Baker
Kayden Baker

unfortunately, I don't own a Stalin shirt. I'm doomed.

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

they will talk about political correctness for 40 minutes and zizek will go off his typical script, he will use the native american joke. mark my words.

Ryan Perry
Ryan Perry

Itz a grreat paradox, rrreally

Landon Bell
Landon Bell

it's over boys

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William Wilson
William Wilson

*tug* sho what you schvink i am a native and not *sniff* culchrall merican and sho on - you schee ziss rashist paragdigm, no? *chuckle* *tug*

Ayden Anderson
Ayden Anderson

hey kid, are you a man or a little bitch? come debate the big bois over at Zig Forums, where every day is a red terror

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

Schreech about Leftypol please

Jayden Long
Jayden Long

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Ryan Ross
Ryan Ross

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Cameron Long
Cameron Long

Some people on /lit/ are saying AOC was on /pol/ dunking on people.

Carson Gomez
Carson Gomez

oh nevermind, they're claiming she was on /lit/. Seems extremely unlikely, but weirder shit has happened.

Kayden Kelly
Kayden Kelly

I hope that Peterson cries at some point

Michael Gonzalez
Michael Gonzalez

Unironically think that even name dropping the site will bring a few over to our side. Drop the link and it is a guaranteed catch. How do you think spam works?

Austin Martinez
Austin Martinez

Simulacra and Simulation is a good book when discussing the subjective experience of postmodernism, but the critiques of Marxism and postmodern attempts to move past it, are not very good. Worth reading for sure but there will be spots that seem like total bs

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

pol is retarded.
They think anyone dunking on them must be a conspiracy

Samuel Evans
Samuel Evans

This whole think is going to be a shitshow, and I hate myself because I know I will watch anyway

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

It's going to be fun.

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

Where can I watch this?

Alexander Watson
Alexander Watson

is there a discord server for this

David Stewart
David Stewart

Any of you guys going except for me?

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

This. Make sure you unleash your autism during Q&A.

SEND YOUR ENERGIES TOWARDS THIS POST

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Hunter Fisher
Hunter Fisher

halfchan /lit/ official PvZ thread: boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/12960076
halfchan /tv/ thread: boards.4channel.org/tv/thread/113165010
halfchan /pol/ boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/210499217

Hudson Phillips
Hudson Phillips

This guy is going to be the moderator:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_J._Blackwood
social entrepreneur
(PhD, Religion)
He has argued in defense of the integrity of the private sphere and in opposition to Obamacare.

JP knew he'll need backup.

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Cooper Cooper
Cooper Cooper

Where Is the debate

Elijah Wilson
Elijah Wilson

Or when

Camden Rivera
Camden Rivera

7:30 ET

Ethan Davis
Ethan Davis

FUCKING HERE

Juan Brooks
Juan Brooks

Oh no. And here Zizek was, saying the moderator is neutral

Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Dylan Green
Dylan Green

WHERE?!

pics
I bring back treasures from far away places.

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Charles Ortiz
Charles Ortiz

Thanks comrade

Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

Blackwood is the founding President of Ralston College a new university preparing for launch in Savannah, Georgia.
ralston.ac/people
ralston.ac/conversations
ralston.ac/ralstons-teaching

Alexander Kelly
Alexander Kelly

this guy is seriously buddies with Peterson. oohhh nooooooo

Asher Morales
Asher Morales

He's a complete idiot, tho, so don't worry too much about it.
stephenjblackwood.com/
I am convinced of the transcendent freedom and innate dignity of the human being. I have a deep sense that the achievements of the past — of art, music, architecture, literature, philosophy — can speak to and illuminate us, and that this cultural inheritance exists for all of us.
I believe that conversation and friendship are among the greatest joys of life.
If you'd like to follow me as I engage various thinkers in conversation, on questions at the heart of human experience, you may do so here.

Magical thinking overload.

Daniel Myers
Daniel Myers

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm

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Jacob Scott
Jacob Scott

Zizek walked right into Peterson's trap lmao.

Isaiah Ramirez
Isaiah Ramirez

nobody escapes from the lobster trap

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Jack Garcia
Jack Garcia

Yes but if he's the "neutral moderator", Zizek is screwed. Two retards vs one Marxist

Thomas Gutierrez
Thomas Gutierrez

Two retards vs one Marxist

One make a live-action short.

Alexander Torres
Alexander Torres

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Jeremiah Cook
Jeremiah Cook

Toronto based newspaper reported that Peterson has been studying Zizek's work in advance, which is worrying.

Zizek's strategy is to focus on Peterson's audience and convince them communism is more anti-pc AND constructive than peterson's reactionary bs.

Lincoln Campbell
Lincoln Campbell

Zizek's strategy is to focus on Peterson's audience and convince them communism is more anti-pc AND constructive than peterson's reactionary bs.
Source on this? sounds retarded.

Aiden Thomas
Aiden Thomas

What's worrying about Peterson reading up on Zizek? I would hope he has.

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

cont.

Toronto based newspaper reported that Peterson has been studying Zizek's work in advance, which is worrying.
Dude, Peterson is a moron. He thinks that women are chaos dragons that need to be slain, so stop overthinking this.

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Aiden Scott
Aiden Scott

interview he did with RT recently let me see if I can find it

Zachary Hall
Zachary Hall

youtube.com/watch?v=MTtwrqtBI00

great interview too. has some aesthetic to it

Eli Garcia
Eli Garcia

it's at 0130 am
lame

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

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Josiah Thompson
Josiah Thompson

which is worrying
inb4
gets infected with kultural marxism
starts quoting renouned serial killers like derrida, focault, and other corruptors of youth
fans take it all in
fast forward, living in a MLP (marxist leninist petersonist) communist society
non cleaning your room denies you of labor vouchers for the day.
government spends 20% of funds to investigate lobster hierarchies and the bible (in a secular way)
mfw, retarded society, but it's better than capitalism

David Garcia
David Garcia

DSA
edgy leftypol users
wew

Alexander Wilson
Alexander Wilson

those fuckers kicked me out

Leo Parker
Leo Parker

Lmao what did you do

Lincoln Brown
Lincoln Brown

Free link to the debate my people: youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be

Juan Torres
Juan Torres

WHERE?

Isaac Gonzalez
Isaac Gonzalez

Toronto based newspaper reported that Peterson has been studying Zizek's work in advance, which is worrying.
That is literally the bare minimum.

Chase Sullivan
Chase Sullivan

WHY IS THERE ONLY ONE MIRROR?!?!?! >:(

Thomas Brooks
Thomas Brooks

Well, local chapter kicked me out. officially it was because of anti idpol posting on twitter. realistically it was because I voted against what the new leadership wanted at the national convention.

Ayden Moore
Ayden Moore

Peterson fans are the fucking worst.

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Justin Reed
Justin Reed

10/10

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Kayden Myers
Kayden Myers

what the new leadership wanted
which was…?

Caleb Robinson
Caleb Robinson

They wanted me to vote against YDSA promoting students from seeking teaching jobs after graduation and joining Unions, as well as against the incumbent Co-chair in favor of the guy who proclaimed YDSA was a white supremacist organization and we all needed to purge our minds of wrongthink.

Blake Long
Blake Long

Honestly who needs the FBI or COINTELPRO when you have retards like these

Anthony Clark
Anthony Clark

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Angel Cox
Angel Cox

I paid $80 fucking dollars for this shit.

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David Williams
David Williams

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Colton James
Colton James

this

Oliver Ward
Oliver Ward

Get a speaker and blast soviet music or audiobooks.

Sebastian Clark
Sebastian Clark

don't look like a goof

Ryan Rodriguez
Ryan Rodriguez

lmao look at this rube

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

Debate the Peterson fans

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Jaxon Long
Jaxon Long

-He will endorse Backstabbin' Bernie in his closing remarks.
At least Bernie would move the Overton window back to the left a bit. People are declaring themselves socialists, the word 'socialist' is no longer bad, but actually becoming cool and hip. This is what the left in the US needs.
I think Zizek's argument is going to be that if you don't like idpol, you should vote for Bernie. Get back to class a little bit. Trump is just another form of idpol that generates more liberal idpol, etc. etc. etc.

Idpol (thesis), anti-idpol (antithesis). It's just standard dialectical stuff. And he is, incidentally, correct.

Carter Davis
Carter Davis

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Dylan Adams
Dylan Adams

get your cards ready boys and girls

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Blake Reed
Blake Reed

fuck lads should I stay up for this. I got work tomorrow

Mason Phillips
Mason Phillips

Leaked photo from backstage.

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Liam Bell
Liam Bell

It's either gonna be epic and half the internet will be assblasted and/or kekked… or just merely meh. Fiddy-fiddy chance you miss out something great.

Easton Edwards
Easton Edwards

If Zizek doesn't spit in my mouth, I want my money back

Benjamin Torres
Benjamin Torres

Neither agree on what Marxism means
That should be the free space.

Nathaniel Young
Nathaniel Young

The fuck I just found. I only read its first two paragraphs and had to create pic related.

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Alexander Garcia
Alexander Garcia

Someone linked the stream to //pol/ to make us mad lol

Parker Ramirez
Parker Ramirez

Me and my gf wanted to turn this into a drinking game, any good ideas when we should take a shot?

Both for Žižek and Peterson. Anything goes except the shirt tucking for Žižek, that would have me die after half an hour.

Isaiah Allen
Isaiah Allen

being mad that someone drives traffic to stuff we want people to see
baiting /pol/ into watching lobster daddy get owned
literally what is to be mad about this?

Nathaniel Diaz
Nathaniel Diaz

Take a shot everytime Zizek makes a Stalin joke

Adam Roberts
Adam Roberts

baiting /pol/ into watching lobster daddy get owned
does /pol/ even like the guy

Colton Bailey
Colton Bailey

Context/source? Is this just some retard's take or is it somebody who matters that can be made fun of with it?

Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

Depends how wasted you wanna get. Every shot at every sniff will kill you in under 20 minutes.

Some realistic propositions for a drinking game:
1. whenever Peterson talks about the millions of victims of communism, genocide, holodomor, gulag.
2. whenever Zizek goes on an unrelated tangent or tells a joke.

Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

You should also rule out sniffing.

How about every time Zizek says something to the effect of "what if precisely the opposite is true?"

For Peterson, tearing up is one for sure. Also, brining up Gulag Archipelago or Holodomor. I'd say parroting debunked anti-com propaganda in general.

Jonathan Price
Jonathan Price

boards.4channel.org/lit/thread/12960076#p12962388

Zachary Gutierrez
Zachary Gutierrez

He has argued in defense of the integrity of the private sphere

private sphere != private sector

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_sphere

Blackwood is a Canadian. If you're a Canadian, you would know how strictly regulated almost every single aspect of Canadian life is by the government, often referred to as the "nanny state." Britain, Australia, and New Zealand are infamous for the exact same phenomenon of the nanny state and a busybody culture. These regulations are meant to punish ordinary working-class people which has the effect of making their lives miserable and bolstering the elites in the society. Such punitive justice of requiring licenses to do basically anything, jail time and massive fines is inhumane. There is little difference between "liberals" and "conservatives" in Anglo countries as they both advocate punitive justice and have a staunch belief in free will (even the ones who claim to be atheists), as opposed to tending towards a more intelligent, humane approach of mass rehabilitative justice and education.

and in opposition to Obamacare.

The Affordable Care Act was created by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation.

Jose Perez
Jose Perez

I'm going to do this, except alone :)

Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

You and me pal

Cameron Peterson
Cameron Peterson

How long is the debate going to be?

Charles Martinez
Charles Martinez

some retard on half/lit/
who cares

Dylan Stewart
Dylan Stewart

probably 1.5 - 2 hours

John Scott
John Scott

30 min each, and then ten minutes to each to rebuke the other, then Q & A. At least 1.5 hours

Hudson Jackson
Hudson Jackson

Every time Peterson wildly misreads or misinterprets the point or Zizek goes off on some tangent that makes no sense.

Isaac Nguyen
Isaac Nguyen

I don't use /pol/ because it's basically r/the_donald but I know for a fact that no one likes Jordan Peterson.

I'm rooting for Zizek unironically and I'm an actual Nazi.

Levi Evans
Levi Evans

gtfo normie

imageboards marxists are robots with class consciousness and awareness of the bourgeois character of normalfag lives

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

Yeah the sniffing has to go. So does Peterson's voice cracking.

Generally when Žižek mentions 20th century communism is a good way to start, or when Peterson makes a comparison to an animal or a mythical/religious creature, or dives into absolute pathos.

"What if the opposite is true"

"This, I claim, is not enough"

"This is absolutely crucial/I absolutely agree, BUT…"

"My leftist/black/Jewish/conservative friends tell me…"

I wrote down a couple of phrases for Žižek which he will 100% be using. But I haven't managed to watch enough Peterson (the guy is worse than Ben Shapiro) to know his shticks.

Isaiah Gomez
Isaiah Gomez

I'm rooting for Zizek unironically and I'm an actual Nazi.
Thank you for correcting the record! Your hot pockets are ready.

Ayden Robinson
Ayden Robinson

where's the debate and where's the stream

Nolan Murphy
Nolan Murphy

I'm an actual Nazi
nazi as in the state does stuff for white people. Why not be a cool communist instead?

Adrian Gonzalez
Adrian Gonzalez

1. whenever Peterson talks about the millions of victims of communism, genocide, holodomor, gulag.
You'll be dead if you do this. "Muh poor 1000 quadrillion landlords and bankers" is his only card against Zizek. He can't use the "post-modernist" argument because Zizek isn't post-modernist.

Jace Walker
Jace Walker

still seething about CTR even though they failed miserably and had the opposite effect
you must be a shill if you don't like Jordan "I can't answer that but you can buy my 1000 dollar rug" Peterson

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4

Carter Bell
Carter Bell

WHERE?

Brayden Stewart
Brayden Stewart

why do you keep asking this

Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

Anyone knows if there will be a live stream?

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

It's actually capitalism what's destroying white race and the last remains of european culture (like it destroyed other cultures before). And no, Jews are not the only capitalists out there. It's simply not true.

European culture was the first victim of capitalism.

Blake Fisher
Blake Fisher

youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be

Though they will probably take it down later. Does someone have a link of a safer website than youtube?

David Robinson
David Robinson

Not enough peterson bullshit
rescue your father
western civilization
CHAOS
shitty pseudo-Jungian interpretive bullshit
muh wayward young men
The Feminine/The Masculine
accusing people of narcissism for attempting to develop political theory and reshape society
references to (children's) literature or mythology
waffling about his religious beliefs (webm related)
I really hope someone in the Q&A brings up Christianity so I can see JBP and Zizek's takes bounce off each other.

If you mean, like, physically on earth, it's in Ontario IIRC.

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Dominic Martinez
Dominic Martinez

do you believe that Jesus returned from the dead
I can not answer that question
What a fucking hack.

Ayden Morgan
Ayden Morgan

rescue your father
What does he mean by this?

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

1) Capitalism is awful and it's destroying every race on the planet.
2) Jews simply embody an archetype that preexists them and theres nothing special or unique about them. They are simply the most prominent players in the current time. Christians were even worse for Europeans because they also embodied that archetype sans the usury. Until Sabbateanism had superceded them.
3) A lot of white people are just as bad as Jews because they seek to embody that archetype.
4) Nazism isn't about the state, Fascism is. For example an instance of [email protected] could very closely resemble sort of pseudo anarchism if anarchism had the qualities that would elevate the people operating within that system.

Jonathan Richardson
Jonathan Richardson

That question puts him in a corner because he doesn't want to alienate his christfag followers or his edgy atheist followers. Either answer would lose him patreon bux. You can see the materialism in action here. His ideology is shaped by whatever is most expedient to him.

It's a metaphor for the hero's journey applied to reality and political beliefs. He likes to use Pinocchio to describe it.
you go off and adventure and get new experiences
but it turns out that it's a lot to handle
at your lowest point you find you still have the teachings of your culture/ancestors with you
your job is to "rescue" this in the outside/new context by reconciling it with the new world (actually kind of dialectical)
When he tells the story he talks about Pinocchio saving Geppetto in the belly of the whale. In IRL terms he's saying to his students (as a college professor) that they need to preserve the received cultural knowledge they have as an anchor in this world they're not understanding. Basically the subtext is that the real world is too complex, pls retreat into conservative christian values (but repackaged with totally-not-postmodernism).

Liam Ramirez
Liam Ramirez

Please save us pirate frens

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

archetype
Peak idealism.

James Morgan
James Morgan

I should also point out that the "rescue your father" shit is nurturing people's darker, more reactionary impulses. Rather than striving forward, generating something new, responding as yourself, etc, you are supposed to fall back on whatever you were indoctrinated into by the social order.

Grayson James
Grayson James

Bro so many middle aged men here

Juan James
Juan James

It is proven the mind exists outside the body as much as it does within. Material itself is conscious and consciousness is material. The seperation is false.
The perfect balance is a unity of Idealism and Pragmatism.

Nolan Nelson
Nolan Nelson

It is proven the mind exists outside the body as much as it does within.

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Justin Ortiz
Justin Ortiz

Although jewish nationalists are indeed prominent players (really pulling the strings in the US), they do not control the course of events.

Capitalists are such because they are obliged to behave as capitalists. If you want to remain as a capitalist, a privileged member of society, paradoxically you also have to accept being oppressed by the global rhythm of capitalism. You are obliged to exploit labor force, you are obliged to support immigration to lower wages (and thus the disappearence of white race). Who obliges you? The market. The system. The structure. The set of rules, the framework in which our society produces and reproduces it's material existence.

The problem is, jews are not the only capitalists. Not all jews are capitalists. And not all capitalists are jews. Hence, the problem couldn't be the jews (though the State of Israel is indeed a problem, but just like any other imperialistic state). If you fail to adress the real problem and only think about "jews", you are going to get nowhere. Look at NutSac. Creating a boogeyman does not solve any real problem.

Justin Kelly
Justin Kelly

It's interesting how for the nazis the basic gesture towards the elderly boiled down to "fuck em, let them die" while these pomo fascists are so deep in daddy complexes that they voluntarily chain themselves to the person who is responsible for their shit lives.

Chase Sanders
Chase Sanders

what the heck am i reading

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

It's such a lazy opinion to have too
listen the world is complicated so you should just accept received 'wisdom' as fact

Jayden Perez
Jayden Perez

youtube.com/watch?v=oCVck7bIbBI

Matthew Allen
Matthew Allen

Metaphysical centrism is brain rot.

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

you are supposed to fall back on whatever you were indoctrinated into by the social order.
This from a guy who beats the "collectivism is bad, be an individual" drum, lmfao

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Adrian Williams
Adrian Williams

A brief description of Morphic fields.
Capitalism doesn't really exist as a system in the same way that communism does. It is natural, but in the same way that gangrene or syphilis is natural. Communism is like an antibiotic synthesized in a laboratory. It's 'a cure' but it will weaken you and eventually kill you.

I'm not convinced by emotional appeals.
(tfw to intellectual)

Angel Price
Angel Price

did it start? are we winning?

Eli Bell
Eli Bell

I'm not convinced by emotional appeals.
We've got a live one.

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

Can you please fuck off with your esoteric bullshit and not derail the soon-to-start debate

Hudson Ross
Hudson Ross

lol shut the fuck up retard

Cameron Diaz
Cameron Diaz

50 minutes and it starts, check the link a couple of posts above in the thread

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

I'm rooting for Zizek unironically and I'm an actual Nazi.
youtube.com/watch?v=vm8XWRdME9Q

Isaac Rodriguez
Isaac Rodriguez

I'm only convinced by REASON and LOGIC and FACTS and not girly emotions because I'm totally SECURE in my beliefs.

Benjamin Lopez
Benjamin Lopez

You sound like a random dude at a bar talking shit. Read marx and understand materialism .

Ayden Peterson
Ayden Peterson

lol capitalism is already killing everyone and this planet. I'm not really in the mood to have another boring debate about the possibility of communism. I'll be glad if you dump the NutSac bullshit and embrace the marxist analysis of capitalist reality.

I believe that /polfags have a great potential to be truly redpilled.

Jaxson Cooper
Jaxson Cooper

Lots of comrades here to my surprise

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

Are you @the scene?

Thomas Long
Thomas Long

anyone have a torrent version I cant afford the paywall if there is one

Jeremiah Young
Jeremiah Young

Any fucking links that arent on YouTube????? COME ON GUYS

Levi Russell
Levi Russell

Reporting live

Ian Bailey
Ian Bailey

That question puts him in a corner because he doesn't want to alienate his christfag followers or his edgy atheist followers. Either answer would lose him patreon bux. You can see the materialism in action here. His ideology is shaped by whatever is most expedient to him.
And here's the end result of his hackery.

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Mason Butler
Mason Butler

Can you already smell the Zizek? It is told that he hasn't once showered in his life (he views it as distraction from Hegel) and you can smell him from half a mile.

Oliver Martinez
Oliver Martinez

youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4&feature=youtu.be
Show pics, and screech about Leftypol, or it didn't happen

Nathan Fisher
Nathan Fisher

I wish I could smell him. We're all in the lobby now waiting for the doors to open.

Camden Adams
Camden Adams

What are the chances that Zizek actually slept and is sober?

Juan Fisher
Juan Fisher

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Aaron Jones
Aaron Jones

According to some user in a thread i don't remember he got to meet Zizek and he seems more mentally ill than people are willing to say.

Easton Reyes
Easton Reyes

post a selfie too, my comrade partner

Jack Ross
Jack Ross

2019
watching the Peterson-Zizek debate
without being a Marxist-Lobsterist
Are you even trying?

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Colton Mitchell
Colton Mitchell

Stream where?

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Luis Long
Luis Long

FUCKING

Dominic James
Dominic James

Waiting in the lobby right now lads.

Blake Harris
Blake Harris

Ask a question
Go to sli.do
Code: debate

Joshua Taylor
Joshua Taylor

Got a peek through the doors. They're already on stage.

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Jayden Myers
Jayden Myers

Always gets me

Hudson Nguyen
Hudson Nguyen

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Tyler Cooper
Tyler Cooper

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Mason Gray
Mason Gray

Muh reality not real
muh mind outside of body
Oh, its this guy again
zigforums.com/thread/2848926/right-politics#q2849321
"I'm not convinced by emotional appeals"
Proceeds to make an argument based on a metaphor while posting no actual real data disproving Marx or invalidating communism
wew

Hunter Ramirez
Hunter Ramirez

Predictions?
Expectations?
Hopes?

I'd like to see Peterson's mask come off, but I suspect he's going to pussy out.

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

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Ryan Torres
Ryan Torres

ARE
TRAPS
GAY

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

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Angel Smith
Angel Smith

It is proven the mind exists outside the body as much as it does within
I've done enough LSD that I actually agree with you. This doesn't disprove Marxism or Communism in any way, though.

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

Can't wait to see my sniffy boy

Blake Long
Blake Long

ASK QUESTIONS. THE SITE WORKS
app2.sli.do/event/nkzyriyy/live/questions

Tyler Carter
Tyler Carter

Well, my preconceived notion is that JBP doesn't really know much about anything, especially marxism, apart from his field of psychology. So I suspect he will demonstrate that

Michael Torres
Michael Torres

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

Muke is streaming the debate

Henry James
Henry James

Seems there won't really be a debate, just two 30 minute presentations and 10 minutes for each to reply, and then Q&A. Kinda disappointed, though it would be more free-form

Luke Ramirez
Luke Ramirez

You can tell who is a Peterson fanboy here. They dress like r/malefashionadvice.

John Smith
John Smith

>>>>>>>>>>>>muke

Jonathan Davis
Jonathan Davis

its finally happening

Jaxon Barnes
Jaxon Barnes

This is disappointing

Carter Morris
Carter Morris

Fake James Deans?

Jack Gray
Jack Gray

i want to sleep so bad

Easton Campbell
Easton Campbell

A button up and chinos

Jack Cruz
Jack Cruz

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>muke

Liam James
Liam James

Some essential questions right here.

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Jeremiah Ortiz
Jeremiah Ortiz

10 minutes is plenty of time to rek Petey.

Easton Moore
Easton Moore

scroll down
upvote
Yeah here's a question: why do you think people were retarded enough to give 80 American shekels to watch you two morons drool over each other?

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Dylan Cooper
Dylan Cooper

youtube.com/watch?v=kJGAUXkdJd0

Dylan Flores
Dylan Flores

Do your part, make a scene, and get us in the news. these kids are reddit autists, so don't feel bad about

TWO MINUTES

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Josiah Ward
Josiah Ward

Try to answer this question as if you were either one of them.

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David Diaz
David Diaz

I've done my deed.

Luke Reed
Luke Reed

I hear his voice from backstage. He's so loud.

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

he screencap' my question

AYYYYY LMAOOO

everyone upvote the inceldoom question

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Colton Anderson
Colton Anderson

It's happening

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Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

AAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

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Isaiah Evans
Isaiah Evans

STREAM IS ONLINE

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Joseph Cruz
Joseph Cruz

Muke's stream has better quality

Jaxson Smith
Jaxson Smith

no audio tho

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

SOUND IS A SPOOK

Mason Anderson
Mason Anderson

Theme: youtube.com/watch?v=EujDcc2xEUI

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

*sniff* Peterson hash a berry big benish

ohhhh welll, I surrre do wish I could *voice crack* grow a full beard like mister shishkebab here

Liam Williams
Liam Williams

SOUND IS IDEOLOGY IN ITS PUREST FORM

Jackson Nelson
Jackson Nelson

whats that streaming site where we used to watch movies together why is no one hosting

Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

Only one "I would prefer not to" shirt spotted

Leo Martin
Leo Martin

youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4
restream

Adam Barnes
Adam Barnes

muke has sound

Andrew Perry
Andrew Perry

Muke's stream has audio
youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

Some violin classical from WESTERN CIVILIZATION is playing right now.

Jeremiah Scott
Jeremiah Scott

classical from WESTERN CIVILIZATION

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Aaron Davis
Aaron Davis

WHY is There no fucking Sound on the stream

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

hey thats the song from oldboy

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

Maybe saving bandwidth since it's just filler music for now.

Dominic Lee
Dominic Lee

Because it hadn't started. People are still sitting down.

Jacob Nguyen
Jacob Nguyen

Sorry. Turns out Vivaldi's four seasons is already the official theme.

Andrew Reed
Andrew Reed

lol

Brody Wilson
Brody Wilson

The music is playing irl too

David Wood
David Wood

i'm so excited i don't even know why i feel like i'm part of something big

Carter Russell
Carter Russell

I swear to god Zizek, if there is one bone you can throw to the left now, its this. Please for the love of God, and it's even Good Friday for Christ's sake.

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Jaxson Williams
Jaxson Williams

muke's stream have sound

Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

Somebody pulled up a "sophisticated sounding music" playlist.

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

muke stream choppy

Brayden Wright
Brayden Wright

You're in the auditorium?

Owen Lee
Owen Lee

the other stream has sound now but no image

Samuel White
Samuel White

I'm not exactly advocatng breaking rules, but…… if our user jumped onto the stage and screamed about Leftypol in the middle of the debate…

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Levi Jenkins
Levi Jenkins

It's going to be like the Chomsky/Foucault debate but with much more autism and much less intellect.

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

Yes

Henry Barnes
Henry Barnes

Some fucking Peterson nerd just tried to debate me.

Blake Wood
Blake Wood

Yell "gulags" for confirmation

John Long
John Long

I'm too far from the stage to make a quick dash

Oliver Peterson
Oliver Peterson

Also the music is quiet af on the other one.

Ethan Garcia
Ethan Garcia

Are you going to assassinate Peterson?

Ryan Gomez
Ryan Gomez

Drink a shot everytime Peterson mentions:
500 trillion dead
karltural marxist postmodern agenda sjeews
muh human nature

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Julian Foster
Julian Foster

Thread theme for this clown show.

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Julian Cruz
Julian Cruz

Do u have ur phone to take a picture for conformation?

Noah Morales
Noah Morales

I can feel it coming bros.

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

AAHAHAHAHA. Did you fact & logic'd him?

Jonathan Green
Jonathan Green

Scroll up. All the pics of the stage are from me.

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

Maybe sit in a different seat?

Gavin Nelson
Gavin Nelson

Where there metal detectors at the door?

Liam Martin
Liam Martin

He just went on about muh hundred gorillion and when I brought up shit like the Belgian Congo he basically said that it didn’t count because it wasn’t muh free market.

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

"10 Hours CLASSICAL Playlist for Trashcans and Lobsters (Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Vivaldi…)"

Jordan Perez
Jordan Perez

That's not possible. It's a sold out show.
Yes

Blake Reed
Blake Reed

Let's not go that far. We don't need to present ourselves like r/pol "kekistani's". Just ask if you can about anti-idpol leftism if you get the chance so you can get those redpills circulating from Zizek.

David Howard
David Howard

You can submit a question yourself. I put the website you can do it from

Benjamin Murphy
Benjamin Murphy

hearty lol

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Zachary Jenkins
Zachary Jenkins

It must be frightening to encounter this specie of animal outside its usual online habitat.

Landon Smith
Landon Smith

Nah it's because the crowd is still finding their seats lol

Nolan Price
Nolan Price

Hope you printed a plastic gat.

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

kek

Robert Lee
Robert Lee

I think they'll be going by popularity and the taste in questions is maximally reddit.

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

Sound and video got cut for me, i was just barely starting to hear the crowd whispering, anyone else?

Xavier Martin
Xavier Martin

It's sad that I even consider this as plausible

William Gutierrez
William Gutierrez

wanting someone as retarded and embarrassing as Peterson to become a martyr
Your realpolitik is garbage.

Anthony Phillips
Anthony Phillips

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

Easton Hughes
Easton Hughes

there you go, thanks

Evan Scott
Evan Scott

REEEEEE, MUH FREE MARKET
It's going to turn into a culture war helter skelter because it's such a big event if we can do it
Option A: If you're adjecnt to the bathroom just get up and pretend to take a piss
Option B:Try to switch and say they can actually see them if they get higher and won't smell Zizek. You might be able to ask somebody you can tell is a lefty if that doesn't work

Isaiah Hall
Isaiah Hall

Lots of camera for streaming here. You're gonna get all angles.

Landon Thompson
Landon Thompson

Remember, when someone brings up "gorillions", it becomes every communists duty to assume ☭TANKIE☭ mode and not capitulate

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Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

STREAM MIRRORS:
youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0
dlive.tv/Gatopicsa
youtube.com/watch?v=1Q46AoR80M4

Reply to this post ONLY if you found new mirrors NOT on the list.

Christian Barnes
Christian Barnes

Jesus they're just like Trotskyists.

Camden Johnson
Camden Johnson

LIVE STREAM IT YOU PUSSIES

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

How can I pull this up on my TV YouTube app?

Oliver Garcia
Oliver Garcia

GOD IM SO FUCKIN PUMPED

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Charles Cooper
Charles Cooper

muke's streaming it

Jackson Butler
Jackson Butler

lol looks like they're gonna end up kissing

cyute

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Isaac Richardson
Isaac Richardson

what's that weird ass music?!

Owen Rodriguez
Owen Rodriguez

JUST TAKE YOUR SEATS YOU FUCKING PARASITES

Andrew Ross
Andrew Ross

Bubak and Hungaricus

Mason Miller
Mason Miller

This, the only good response to propaganda riddled attacks are either massive efforts collating evidence, or an unwavering defense.

Jackson Russell
Jackson Russell

i recently defended stalin against my aristocratic buddy who studies law with me (his family lost 2 of 18 castles they own because of the GDR expriopriating it and turning it into community centers - after the wall fell, one of the castles got turned into a bordello)

Nicholas Thomas
Nicholas Thomas

So many people just arriving now

Hudson Diaz
Hudson Diaz

It's starting

Juan Williams
Juan Williams

Gulags for all!

Alexander Gutierrez
Alexander Gutierrez

Wagner Flying Dutchman Overture (trap remix)

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

you can defend stalin even better by murdering him

Jaxson Myers
Jaxson Myers

This is going to be painful to watch, but I can't look away.

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Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

SOMETHING HAPPENED PEOPLE CLAP

Connor Butler
Connor Butler

IT'S HAPPENING

Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

ITS STARTED

Gavin Sanchez
Gavin Sanchez

This is gonna be good

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

It's happening fellas

Robert Anderson
Robert Anderson

Fuck this biased prick

Samuel Cox
Samuel Cox

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0
youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0
youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0
youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

Colton Long
Colton Long

What's the M to F ratio in the crowd?

Sebastian Lee
Sebastian Lee

finally fucking starting

Brody Davis
Brody Davis

they call me blackwood

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

DR. STEVEN BLACKWOOD!!!!

Landon Gray
Landon Gray

They have so much water what the fuck how long will this shit last?

Colton Peterson
Colton Peterson

REEEEEEEE MY STREAM IS LAGGING BEHIND

Landon Butler
Landon Butler

It's going to turn into a culture war helter skelter because it's such a big event if we can do it
Option A: If you're adjecnt to the bathroom just get up and pretend to take a piss
Option B:Try to switch and say they can actually see them if they get higher and won't smell Zizek. You might be able to ask somebody you can tell is a lefty if that doesn't work
sorry for double posting
DO IT FOR COMMNISM

Aaron James
Aaron James

there he is

Josiah White
Josiah White

cool stream

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

the boys are looking good

Kevin Gutierrez
Kevin Gutierrez

is this actually habbening?

Alexander Perez
Alexander Perez

IT BEGINS
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lol

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Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

Oh god I'm worried bros

Bentley Peterson
Bentley Peterson

Holy fuck this guy is insufferable

Sebastian Long
Sebastian Long

I'm ready

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Jose Powell
Jose Powell

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0 is this prohibited if yes then use a proxy

Juan Peterson
Juan Peterson

inb4 zizeks spergs out and embarasses us all

Hudson Taylor
Hudson Taylor

muke
oh no

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

What would be the most disruptive thing to shout in the audience? "Allahu akbar"?

Isaac Collins
Isaac Collins

Prohibited video

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Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

STALIN DID NOTHING WRONG

Carter Sullivan
Carter Sullivan

that wouldn't be the worst thing

Gavin Walker
Gavin Walker

This guy is so fucking pretentious. Jesus Christ.

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

He's the poor man's intellectual type. He dresses and speaks like mr. cultured man, so he must be very clever.

Angel Campbell
Angel Campbell

zizek doesnt give a fuck rn lmao

Levi Clark
Levi Clark

I hope muke's stream dont get taken down

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Adam Thompson
Adam Thompson

READ LEFTYPOL

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

Shut the fuck up liberal! No one wants to hear this guy

Tyler Sullivan
Tyler Sullivan

why is this stream so many
fucking stutter

Kayden Cooper
Kayden Cooper

Gulag everyone in the crowd and especially the moderator.

Blake Cox
Blake Cox

clapping for bourgeois university degrees
what the fuck is this shit

Liam Wood
Liam Wood

KULAKS DESERVED IIT

Anthony Thomas
Anthony Thomas

LOL Zizek REALLY hates the cheers.

Michael Jenkins
Michael Jenkins

livestream.com/accounts/28286215/events/8592862/player?width=640&height=360&enableInfoAndActivity=true&defaultDrawer=&autoPlay=true&mute=false

Alexander Bennett
Alexander Bennett

Zizek looks hungover lmao

Andrew King
Andrew King

socdem academics are the only that could afford the tickets

Sebastian Smith
Sebastian Smith

Why the fuck does Zizek have to look like a fucking slob just because he's communism.

Easton Nguyen
Easton Nguyen

hope he has a stroke again

Levi Hernandez
Levi Hernandez

zizek regretting this already

Elijah Torres
Elijah Torres

Zizek is fucking cringing holy shit

Cameron Lee
Cameron Lee

sports ball but for fuckin nerds

Liam Thompson
Liam Thompson

Moderator is a centrist

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Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

"GAS THE KIKES" probably

Daniel Cox
Daniel Cox

THEY APPLAUSE

Jeremiah Sullivan
Jeremiah Sullivan

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Evan Diaz
Evan Diaz

crowd cheers more for kermit

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

thank you

Samuel Morales
Samuel Morales

You beautiful boys better shout about Leftypol

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Colton Nguyen
Colton Nguyen

people appualing for peterson

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Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

livestream.com/accounts/28286215/events/8592862/player?width=640&height=360&enableInfoAndActivity=true&defaultDrawer=&autoPlay=true&mute=false

Jacob Murphy
Jacob Murphy

Stephen Blackwood is the founding President of Ralston College a new university preparing for launch in Savannah, Georgia.

ralston.ac/people

ralston.ac/conversations

ralston.ac/ralstons-teaching

hmmm

Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

get emergency tornado warning via early warning system, right as it's starting

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Parker Gomez
Parker Gomez

zizek's face
Oh god

Landon Rivera
Landon Rivera

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Dylan Watson
Dylan Watson

This is so fucking gay and cringe

Brandon Hernandez
Brandon Hernandez

get your priorities straight boy keep watching

Evan Wright
Evan Wright

how long is this supposed to be

Oliver Moore
Oliver Moore

quillette.com/2019/04/03/cambridge-universitys-shameful-treatment-of-jordan-peterson/

unbiased host btw

David Smith
David Smith

BOTH Peterson and Zizek TRANSCEND their TITLES.
kek

It's what a communism does to you.

THIS.

Benjamin Nelson
Benjamin Nelson

thats a lot of fucking water bottles

Carter Price
Carter Price

This debate is going to be pathetic. Screencap this

Robert Richardson
Robert Richardson

GIVE ZIZEK YOUR DIALECTICAL ENERGY!

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Hunter Jones
Hunter Jones

I love how Zizek applauded himself like the Stalinist he is.

Chase Miller
Chase Miller

THE DIALETICS IS IN MOTION

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Joseph Robinson
Joseph Robinson

ah fuck why does peterson have to start

Zachary Watson
Zachary Watson

why does lobster boy get to go first?

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

Truth, unironically.

Dominic Miller
Dominic Miller

THE FUCKING LEAVES

Henry Stewart
Henry Stewart

This debate is already triggering me.
Zizek looks disgusted with the whole thing, and the general vibe feels off.

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

muh ticket scalping

so this is the power of capitalism

Jeremiah Collins
Jeremiah Collins

he knows

Easton Miller
Easton Miller

The thinker of our age..

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Bentley Martinez
Bentley Martinez

Peterson bragging about how much money he's making immediately

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Carson Turner
Carson Turner

lmao the fucking manifesto

Noah Sanders
Noah Sanders

That's a good thing. You always want to go second in a debate/discussion user.

Xavier Martinez
Xavier Martinez

I tried reading the manifesto.

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Liam Ward
Liam Ward

communist manifesto
8 pages of text

you should have read kapital you dumb ass fuck

Jace Lopez
Jace Lopez

5000 godzilions are comming. I tell you.

John Gutierrez
John Gutierrez

he actually read the communist manifesto

TOP KEK
O
P

K
E
K

Robert Hughes
Robert Hughes

We will win

t. kiss gang

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Adam Lee
Adam Lee

Zizeks face right now

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Zachary Reyes
Zachary Reyes

30 mins of peterson rambling about the memefesto
hahahahhahahahahahahahahha

Jacob Cruz
Jacob Cruz

Peterson is going to critique the manifesto
hmm

Cooper Barnes
Cooper Barnes

Oh my god

Alexander Richardson
Alexander Richardson

HE READ THE PAMPHLET

Dominic Jackson
Dominic Jackson

Hack fraud

Samuel Parker
Samuel Parker

"Stalin killed 99909529509590rejiqwtotjorw billion" Peterson in 5 minutes

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Robert Ward
Robert Ward

OOOOOOOOOOOF

is he really going to reduce zizek to the memofesto

Samuel Harris
Samuel Harris

ONLY 5% OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO IS LOGIC AND FACTS. 95% IS ILLOGICAL ERROR.

Tyler Fisher
Tyler Fisher

Even as a /pol/tard this guy makes me cringe. At least I've read some Marx

IT'S ALL WRONG

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

holy fuck this is annoying
am I really going to listen to all this shit? maybe I should just watch fruits basket

Nicholas Foster
Nicholas Foster

almost all ideas are wrong
mind blown

Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

Zizek needs to tap into his inner anger, if only for consistency and motivation

Levi Russell
Levi Russell

FUCKING MARX

THE FUCKING MANIFESTO

YOU RUINED THIS DEBATE WITH YOUR FAGGOTRY

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Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

most ideas are wrong, pack it up boys were finished

John Reed
John Reed

BASED JORDAN PETERSON COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BTFO KARL MARX FOREVER WITH FACTS AND LOGIC

Justin Nguyen
Justin Nguyen

0 arguments
0 arguments
0 arguments
0 arguments
0 arguments
0 arguments
0 arguments
0 arguments
0 arguments

Aaron Wright
Aaron Wright

I tried reading the manifesto
tried
to read a book made for regular ass people when you're a fucking professor

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Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

His face is saying he made a mistake a month ago, and has to follow it though today.

Adrian Davis
Adrian Davis

cringe

Logan Gonzalez
Logan Gonzalez

muh manifesto
wtf
really?

Tyler Harris
Tyler Harris

I don't think I'm going to survive tonight listening to this pseud tbh

Daniel Walker
Daniel Walker

<FARTS AND LOBSTERS

Justin Perez
Justin Perez

ALL CHAFF, NO WHEAT

Elijah Roberts
Elijah Roberts

10 EASY TRUTHS TO BECOME A COMMUNIST SHILL

Henry Cox
Henry Cox

I CANT EVEN 2X THIS FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

I wanted to learn about Marx and Marxism so I read the communist manifesto
Seriously, retard?
He complained in his Q&A stream that it didn't "answer" his questions. What do you think a "manifesto" is, Jordan?

have to say about the authors psychologically
Aha, psychoanalyze two dead people from 150 years ago. Great argument pal. Also what the fuck retard why read one of their first political tracts from the 40s and not the actual developed, alter works?

Robert Bailey
Robert Bailey

Look on the bright side: this is why Peterson is going to age extremely poorly, like Christopher Hitchens.

Liam Jones
Liam Jones

10 fundamental axioms held self evident by Marx:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
(make your bets)

Luke Collins
Luke Collins

THE MANIFESTO

THE FUCKING MANIFESTO

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Carter King
Carter King

TOP TEN MISTAKES ALL MARXISTS GET WRONG

Henry Ramirez
Henry Ramirez

I tried reading the manifesto
a pamphlet designed for 19th century peasants, and he couldn't read it

Jordan Campbell
Jordan Campbell

I apply critical thinking that itself was inaugurated by Marx

Colton Gray
Colton Gray

HUMAN NATURE. IT'S COMMING, I TOLD YOU!

Isaiah Gutierrez
Isaiah Gutierrez

its a trap

Christopher Martin
Christopher Martin

1.
kill your parents

Camden Thomas
Camden Thomas

Peterson didnt even bother looking up why Marx wrote the manifesto and for whom, did he?

Kayden Robinson
Kayden Robinson

put some chips on "society is about oppressors vs oppressed"

Cameron Moore
Cameron Moore

HUMAN NATURE

Jayden Williams
Jayden Williams

ABSTRACT EQUALITY AS A POLITICAL GOAL

David Gomez
David Gomez

sancrosacked
This nigga can't even speak

Xavier Morgan
Xavier Morgan

The communist manifesto was just a call to revolution
Pete starts saying the communist manifesto was never argued about
Fucking hell

Chase Richardson
Chase Richardson

its not even a book its a pamphlet

Justin Wood
Justin Wood

3. Greed is good. Take other ppls money.

Leo Hall
Leo Hall

Is this click bait?

Dr Peterson's 10 Marxist Commandments

Caleb Jones
Caleb Jones

I read the Communist Manifesto
I tried to sort the wheat from the chaff
I found some wheat but mostly chaff
in the manifesto
which I acknowledge is a manifesto, a call to revolution, not a work of theory
I found mostly chaff and not much wheat in a manifesto

Asher Gutierrez
Asher Gutierrez

alter
later*

Carter Long
Carter Long

YOU FUCKING WIZARD

Hunter Hernandez
Hunter Hernandez

A book
Not even that, its literally an introductory party platform PAMPHLET. Its not even intended as an introduction to Marxism proper, just to a party which no longer exists

Cooper Bailey
Cooper Bailey

BIOLOGY ITSELF

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

someone tell me when sniffman talks
this is unbearable

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

LOBSTERS LOBSTERS LOBSTERS

Asher Morales
Asher Morales

really my mans got fuck all to do all day and he read a single short pamphlet

Elijah Morris
Elijah Morris

Victory is coming

t. kissbol gang

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Liam Butler
Liam Butler

Almost all ideas are wrong
what

Camden Edwards
Camden Edwards

HUMAN NATURE DUDE

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

the 10 commandments of communism
and why they're all wrong
by Jordan Peterson

Alexander Phillips
Alexander Phillips

WATCH IT ALL
DIGEST THE P

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

HIERARCHIES ARE NATURAL

Jackson Flores
Jackson Flores

Peterson is immediately choking and defaulting straight to lobsters.

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Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

Am I a brainlet or does he talk without saying anything?

Julian Collins
Julian Collins

holy shit this is a shite fest already.

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James Parker
James Parker

hierarchical structure
animal kingdom

S
P
O
O
K

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

Dear God,
Peterson sounds like he just watched a youtube video by Prager U on Communism and is repeating talking points.

Ethan Clark
Ethan Clark

PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO
PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO
PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO
PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO
PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO
PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO
PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO
PETERSON IS SO FUCKING NERVOUS LMAO

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Matthew Johnson
Matthew Johnson

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Aiden Sanders
Aiden Sanders

i cant stand his voice

Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

I'm gonna lose all respect for Zizek if he doesn't BTFO this dumbass faggot

Julian Perry
Julian Perry

The 8th axiom of the Communist Manifesto will SHOCK you!
Marxist SJWs BTFO by Jordan Peterson!!!

Ian Garcia
Ian Garcia

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Aiden Rogers
Aiden Rogers

Peterson started on the hour, right? I think they each get 30 minutes, so Zizek should be in 23 mins.

Oliver Gutierrez
Oliver Gutierrez

God he is misreading diamat live

Brayden Ortiz
Brayden Ortiz

Maybe both but definitely the latter.

Owen Lewis
Owen Lewis

READ KROPOTKIN MUTUAL AID

Nicholas Moore
Nicholas Moore

Zizek should have just brought a copy of Mutual Aid

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

Kek I'll accept that

Levi Cox
Levi Cox

P U R E I D E O L O G Y

Mason Nelson
Mason Nelson

History is not true
WHAT

Joseph Sullivan
Joseph Sullivan

WHY WOULD YOU LINK THE CLASS STRUGGLE WITH CAPITALISM

Chase Cook
Chase Cook

STRUGGLE WITHIN THEMSELVES

Isaac Russell
Isaac Russell

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS HE SAYING

William Bailey
William Bailey

marx didn't account for human nature
ah, how could he forget. let's go back guys, we're done

Michael Brown
Michael Brown

He is breaking already

Nolan Carter
Nolan Carter

this motherfuck straight went to nature

MUH NATURE
MUH ANIMALS
MUH LOBSTERS
MUH HIERARCHY

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

HIERARCHY IS NATURAL SO THEREFORE CAPITALISM IS NATURAL

Nathaniel Stewart
Nathaniel Stewart

WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK IS HE TALKING ABOUT

Justin Harris
Justin Harris

no this is really just bafflingly stupid. I am amazed that people take this guy seriously.
When I was going through my edgy pseudo-reactionary psychanalysis phase I would read TLP:
thelastpsychiatrist.com/archives.html
going back, it is clearly 100x more substantial than BJP, and there's still a fair bit of substance even if he's wrong on things from a Marxist viewpoint

Austin Watson
Austin Watson

what did you expect

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Levi Sanchez
Levi Sanchez

Holy shit he sounds like hes going to cry.

Easton Hughes
Easton Hughes

Reminder
"According to the materialist conception of history, the ultimately determining element in history is the production and reproduction of real life. Other than this neither Marx nor I have ever asserted. Hence if somebody twists this into saying that the economic element is the only determining one, he transforms that proposition into a meaningless, abstract, senseless phrase. The economic situation is the basis, but the various elements of the superstructure — political forms of the class struggle and its results, to wit: constitutions established by the victorious class after a successful battle, etc., juridical forms, and even the reflexes of all these actual struggles in the brains of the participants, political, juristic, philosophical theories, religious views and their further development into systems of dogmas — also exercise their influence upon the course of the historical struggles and in many cases preponderate in determining their form."
Engels

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Jeremiah King
Jeremiah King

Marx doesn't talk about human interactions with nature

Nathaniel Allen
Nathaniel Allen

why would he talk about "marxism in general" if he only read the manifesto? the dialectic between natura and humans is all over marx's writings…

Hunter Collins
Hunter Collins

Eugenist pseud shit, which Kropotkin yeeted

Juan Wright
Juan Wright

MARXISM DOESN'T SOLVE LIFE ITSELF THEREFORE INCOMPLETE

Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

exactly lmao

Noah Reyes
Noah Reyes

NAZBOL GANG IS GOING TO SAVE THIS DEBATE
MARK MY WORDS

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

he sounds kinda scared tbh

Cameron Jenkins
Cameron Jenkins

THERE ARE NO LOBSTERS IN THE MANIFESTO

John Morgan
John Morgan

Struggle for live within ourselves
He is entirely projecting. This isn't a debate, but a cry for help

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Tyler Murphy
Tyler Murphy

HE'S SAYING THE SAME SHIT I CAME UP WITH TO ARGUE AGAINST MARXISM IN 10TH GRADE

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

muh hierarchy
MARXISTS DON'T DENY HIERARCHY YOU FUCKING PSEUD GO DAMN IT

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE DEVIL HIS DUE

Anthony Hill
Anthony Hill

i want to hug him ;_;

Mason Smith
Mason Smith

The heroes we need but don't deserve

Liam Perry
Liam Perry

why would you link the class struggle to capitalism
IS THIS RETARD SERIOUS?
What kind of "research" did he do? Class struggle isn't a "capitalist" thing

Also lol he sounds like he's about to break in tears fucking lol, nigger can't get his shit together knowing zizek is behind him, he's just throwing everything together. This really is condensed Peterson.

Fucking lol

Oliver Barnes
Oliver Barnes

I'm glad I stayed up. This thread is a fucking classic.

John Baker
John Baker

that's his natural state

Oliver Price
Oliver Price

RULES OF NATURE

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Caleb King
Caleb King

Peterson is proving, that he didn't get dialectical materialism

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

Five seconds until Zizek slaps Peterson upside the head

Ethan Murphy
Ethan Murphy

Marx forgot about the harsh natural world
He's convinced me bros, I'm out of here

Jose Murphy
Jose Murphy

Zizek won't even need notes.

I hope he just laughs for 2 or 3 minutes

Brayden Wood
Brayden Wood

The laughs were our spirits manifesting in the room.

Blake Hill
Blake Hill

My brain is melting

Jackson Kelly
Jackson Kelly

i dont think that guy is that much of a reactionary though, at least not with the usual tropes. some of the articles he wrote almost read like a communist psy-op

Luis Cruz
Luis Cruz

audience literally laughing at him
Holy fuck lmao

Asher Hill
Asher Hill

at least an a4 prepared sheet, fucking hell

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Isaac Price
Isaac Price

THEY LAUGHED

THEY LAUGHED AT HIM

Tyler Wilson
Tyler Wilson

he's triggered, bout to cry

John Morales
John Morales

This guy has never read Marx, holy shit

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Julian Watson
Julian Watson

This guy has never read Marx, holy shit

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Levi Reed
Levi Reed

"the problem is binaries" says Jordan :Transphobe" Peterson

Carson Price
Carson Price

hes going to pass out from his meat diet

Jack Martinez
Jack Martinez

HE'S ACTUALLY CRYING HOLY SHIT

Blake Lopez
Blake Lopez

Are you sure you didn't just get it from reading one of his anonymous posts online? It's more likely than you think.

Aaron Ramirez
Aaron Ramirez

<brourjeousee

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Blake White
Blake White

lmao at you using ktt lingo i see you fam

Daniel Clark
Daniel Clark

Getting rich is not a sure way to have power

Deserved laughter

Dominic Bailey
Dominic Bailey

He tried to read the fucking communist manifesto

Jason Bennett
Jason Bennett

This is going to trigger some childhood trauma deep inside JP's soul. Keep up with the laughter.

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

Is he? I have to watch in 144p because of my shit internet, so I can't tell, his voice does sound quite shaky though

Benjamin Harris
Benjamin Harris

damn i left the stream for a few minutes and now i'm lagging behind everyone

Jaxon Morales
Jaxon Morales

He's straight up lying about Marx now. He does discuss the relation between man and nature. It's pretty fundamental to materialism.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/comm.htm

Luis Taylor
Luis Taylor

Holy shit he is unraveling QUICK

Anthony Turner
Anthony Turner

ARE SMALL SHARE HOLDERS PART OF THE PROLETARIAT OR THE BOURGEOISIE?

LENIN'S IN A SPEECH TO THE INTERNATIONALE

Isaac Perez
Isaac Perez

TLP is reactionary when you pay attention and read a fair bit of it. That said, I think he is actually smarter than Zizek by a fair margin.

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

I TRIED TO READ THE MANIFESTO. NOT MUCH WHEAT

Aiden Watson
Aiden Watson

I actually feel bad for him. Here come the godzilions btw

Luke Wright
Luke Wright

MUH STALIN MUH KULAKS

Levi Robinson
Levi Robinson

MUH KULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKS

Carter Hernandez
Carter Hernandez

KULAKS WERE PEASANTS

James Roberts
James Roberts

Kulaks deserved it

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

X2 SPEED

Christopher Perry
Christopher Perry

HERE WE GO

JILLIONS

KULAKS

Liam Green
Liam Green

kulaks deserved it

Jacob Wright
Jacob Wright

KULAKS

Charles Cruz
Charles Cruz

139482-340972-384572-398457-234572-394752349 BILLION KILLED BY GOMMUNISM

Robert Carter
Robert Carter

what were they laughing at?
I missed it

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

Yelling about Leftypol is going to be a cherry on top of this shitfest

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Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

when is he going to namedrop solzhenitsin or
his work of fiction gulag archipelago?

Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

This is so bad. Just rolling through the weakest, most meaningless bullshit.

Jeremiah Rivera
Jeremiah Rivera

arguing against economism because human beings primary concern is that they need to fulfill their needs

I'm just not sure i can watch this boys

Asher Ross
Asher Ross

I gotta be honest, I'm not sure if I can finish watching this. This makes uncomfortable on a personal level.

Žižek being placed in a situation he obviously disdains, where he's thrown into a Ben Shapiro tier wrestling match with "facts and logic" or Peterson being obviously very nervous and already struggling to even deliver an opening speech knowing that Žižek can butcher him at will (if he ever read his books). Or that retarded audience that thinks this is some WWE fight.

It's really hard to watch.

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Adam Collins
Adam Collins

THE HOLOMODOR

THE HOLOMODOR

HE DID IT

HE ACTUALLY DID IT

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

QUICK SOMEBODY YELL THEY DESERVED IT

Adrian Morris
Adrian Morris

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAA BOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

Be strong.

Liam Kelly
Liam Kelly

he pulled out the kulaks and millions.

Luke Perez
Luke Perez

Class struggle?

Bad idea.

Very very bad idea.

Aaron Mitchell
Aaron Mitchell

Peterson accusing marx of "sleight of hand" in saying the bourgeoisie are bad and the proles are good.

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

all bourgeoisie are bastards
class is not an identity

Zachary Green
Zachary Green

HE'S STILL TALKING ABOUT HIERARCHIES, ZIZEK COULD LITERALLY READ ONE PARAGRAPH OF FROM EITHER GOTHA OR ENGELS LETTERS AND BTFO PETERSON

Mason Smith
Mason Smith

COMMUNISM IS AGAINST IDPOL YOU FUCKING IDIOTTTTTTTTT

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

BORN TO DIE / WORLD IS A FUCK / Kill Em All 1989 / I am trash man / 410,757,864,530 DEAD KULAKS

Julian Russell
Julian Russell

he said that the rich get rich not by exploiting the working class

Noah Peterson
Noah Peterson

GOOD VS EVIL

THAT'S WHAT SOCIALISM IS ABOUT

Really faggot? Moralism? Yeah, it would have been naive if Marx believed, you fucking faggot.

Daniel Rodriguez
Daniel Rodriguez

Marx made moralistic assertions
lolololololol

Xavier Gray
Xavier Gray

Owning people doens't make money you fucking imbecile you moron

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

recognizing class warfare?
you must be an adherent to idpol
holy shit

Jack Long
Jack Long

*Five second pause*

Landon Morris
Landon Morris

It's painful, but I can't look away at the same time.
I admire your strength, if you can.

Noah Smith
Noah Smith

Get ready to scream about Leftypol as soon as Zizek gets up

Blake Jones
Blake Jones

The binary class division has nothing to do with group identity. It's about structural function in the economic system. You can embody bourgeois and proletarian characteristics simultaneously.

Thomas Reyes
Thomas Reyes

"Class warfare is idpol larping"
– dr peterson

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

what articles for example?

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

DO IT NOW RETARD, DON'T FUCK UP ZIZEK'S TIME

Jaxson Morgan
Jaxson Morgan

FLAWLESS DEBATING SKILLS

Easton Cox
Easton Cox

ACTUALLY DO THIS THOUGH, THIS IS OK

Kevin Murphy
Kevin Murphy

nice

Justin Martin
Justin Martin

*tremlbing voice*
N-now let's talk about t-the d-dictatorship of proletariat.

Brayden Hughes
Brayden Hughes

WE'RE COMING BUCKO

Brody Robinson
Brody Robinson

Peterson mentioning Kulaks

Its over. He won.

6 million ukraininanslmao

Henry Brooks
Henry Brooks

bloody violence
cheering
hahahaa

Michael Turner
Michael Turner

FUCKING KEK HE IS NOT USED TO BEING MOCKED ON STAGE

James Morales
James Morales

Socialism is BLOODY! VIOLENT! BE SCARED, PROLES!

Caleb Flores
Caleb Flores

He's strictly anticommunist, crypto-individualist, bourgeois, idealist, etc.

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

* 10 second pause *

Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

Did somebody heckle him? The mic didn't get it.

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

you must stay to support our boy at any cost

Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

Class is identity politics
HITTING MAXIMUM PSEUD LEVELS HERE

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Jaxson Sanchez
Jaxson Sanchez

he's breaking apart and shaking.

Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

literally shaking

Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

People were cheering for violent revolution.

Alexander Brooks
Alexander Brooks

i asked for an example article. being anticommunist doesnt necessarily equal being reactionary in a social context where communism isn't even on the horizon, at any rate

Aaron Sullivan
Aaron Sullivan

They cheered when he mentioned violent revolution lel

Justin Cook
Justin Cook

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Angel King
Angel King

Peterson is a fucking retard so no

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Bentley Johnson
Bentley Johnson

Peterson rn

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Jose Murphy
Jose Murphy

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Sebastian Adams
Sebastian Adams

No, just this is the second time the audience laughs at him exactly at the biggest weakpoints in his LOGICs and FACTs.

Isaiah Johnson
Isaiah Johnson

Alright all jokes aside, what's up with Peterson? I've not seen him speak much, is he always this nervous? His voice is shaking.

Ayden Evans
Ayden Evans

This is now

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Julian Young
Julian Young

oh my god when does zizek come on…. i feel like im getting dumber every second i listen to this

Joshua Phillips
Joshua Phillips

WRONG EXPERIMENT

Carter Nguyen
Carter Nguyen

Peterson reminds me right now of Ceauscescu's last speech where the crowd, while originally supporting him at the start, slowly turned against him.

Ian Smith
Ian Smith

Boy, he is almost crying

Zachary Cook
Zachary Cook

He usually sounds like this but he's a mess right now, he's going down in flames

Hunter Ramirez
Hunter Ramirez

what is ktt lingo

Mason Sullivan
Mason Sullivan

ECONOMIC
CALCULATION
PROBLEM

Ryan Morales
Ryan Morales

COMMUNISM IS WHEN YOU CENTRALIZE THE MARKET

Adrian Gonzalez
Adrian Gonzalez

I'm watching the stream bud. You can detect what I'm talking about in the most recent ten articles.

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

MARX NEVER TALKED ABOUT GOOD AND EVIL

Brody Moore
Brody Moore

Wasn't this debate about happiness in marxism and not about repeating every single overdone conservative talking point?

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

Peterson gets his time. Zizek gets his.

Jacob Rivera
Jacob Rivera

Not always. I have no idea why he's that nervous. He could have prepared better.

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

He sucks at debates.
His last debate, that I know of, he got btfo by an atheist nobody from Texas

Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

UH UH *PAUSE*

Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

Marxism doesn't deal with the relation between humans and nature
This is the foundation of the materialist conception of history and a reoccurring theme in almost all of marx's work

David Walker
David Walker

maybe something happened backstage
peterson's daughter died. zizek knows and doesn't want to debate anymore, but peterson wanted to push on, carrying the cross and so on for the sake of everyone's overpriced ticket not going to waste

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

seems so

its kinda disappointing that they're going for this whole "present a thesis on how marx was wrong" instead of actually talking to each other about concrete things. what can a marxist respond to this spiel? its completely incoherent

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

your labor value is zero
?

Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright

capitalists do labor
lol

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

I don't get it, wasn't he just going to refute the Manifesto?

Isaac Torres
Isaac Torres

exploitation is treating people bad
LMFAO

Dylan Mitchell
Dylan Mitchell

No, he just said he was going to.

Carter Morgan
Carter Morgan

Oh my god what is he trying to do now

Is Peterson a defender of labor theory of value or …?

Camden Gomez
Camden Gomez

Zizek's hefty Slovenian musk intimidated him with it's sheer volume of masculine pheromones and his penis shrunk so small it turned into a vagina.

Cooper Wilson
Cooper Wilson

you are true to that.

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Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

MUH MANIFESTO
I'm feeling this was calculated now, like just bringing up the Manifesto as a strawman

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

Abstract labor

James Phillips
James Phillips

FUCK I LEFT AGAIN AND NOW I'M LAGGING EVEN FARTHER

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

absentee rentiers are always managers

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

nothing i mistaked you for someone else

Justin Murphy
Justin Murphy

profit can be theft but not always because capitalists good!

Ethan Bailey
Ethan Bailey

Is the 30 minutes over yet ahhhhh

Gabriel Foster
Gabriel Foster

Seriously, Peterson isn't even a good con men. Instead of going into his strong suit, ranting against gender theorists, the wayward young man and the chaos dragon he actually chose to engage with socio-economic Marxist theory and oh boy it's clear he hasn't even read the Wiki article about it.

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

PROFIT ISN'T THEFT
EXCEPT WHEN IT IS

Ian Scott
Ian Scott

Profit is theft only if crooked people get it.

He's getting exploited right on stage.

Hunter Garcia
Hunter Garcia

you aint missed a god damn thing

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

is ok papi

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

MUH EVIL

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

extract abstract labor

Luis King
Luis King

10 minutes left

Cameron Gray
Cameron Gray

Thred going so fast my computer cant keep up

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Michael Jones
Michael Jones

* voice crack *

Ryan Fisher
Ryan Fisher

How can you grooooooooow if you don't make a profit?

Daniel Hughes
Daniel Hughes

WHAT THE FUCK IS PETERSON SAYING

Jace Miller
Jace Miller

A LITTLE BIT OF PROFIT

Adrian Hughes
Adrian Hughes

Is Peterson still talking? i'm on the part where he talks about the oppresor class

Ryan Kelly
Ryan Kelly

profit is absolutely bloody necessary

Landon Stewart
Landon Stewart

Peterson misunderstands why Marxists say "profit is theft." It is because of wages are fundamentally exploitative.

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

NOT EASY TO HAVE A GOOD IDEA

Brody Hill
Brody Hill

HOW CAN YOU GROW IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROFIT
HOW CAN YOU SUCCEED IN CAPITALISM WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN ITS REPRODUCTION
Genius

Cooper Powell
Cooper Powell

growth + profit = grofit

Justin Davis
Justin Davis

extract abstract labor
Extract abstract extreme abacus labor.

Cooper Harris
Cooper Harris

SOMEONE YELL READ CAPITAL

Nolan Myers
Nolan Myers

this is like a kanye interview where kanye says fucking nothing

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

how long does each person talk for?????

Julian Diaz
Julian Diaz

WASTED….. LABOUR!

Joshua Kelly
Joshua Kelly

I've read 10 minutes

Carter Hughes
Carter Hughes

He doesn't even know, he's just rambling. Skirting from one topic to another because he has no understanding of these topics beyond capitalist propaganda.

Jackson Bennett
Jackson Bennett

I paused the stream because that shit is senseless babble

Gavin Collins
Gavin Collins

It's very obvious he's having difficulty in trying to give a condense exegesis on Marx. He can't do it properly, so he's trying to give a psychological profile like he does to his patients.

Chase Torres
Chase Torres

profit + company = growth
profit + crooked people = theft

Benjamin Ross
Benjamin Ross

at least Kanye is good at music

Jaxon Turner
Jaxon Turner

30 minutes + 30 minutes
then 10 minutes rebuttal x2
then 45 minutes moderated debate

Jackson White
Jackson White

30 minutes opening, 10 minutes left for peterson.

Wyatt Baker
Wyatt Baker

Peterson truly is the soft underbelly of the modern right.

Žižek is pretty merciful so I will probably let it slide but you could call him out on pretty much all of that and make him look like a complete idiot.

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

Yeah, he just keeps harping the same shit.

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

SOMEONE YELL READ CAPITAL GOD DAM IT

Joseph Jones
Joseph Jones

* changes slide *
um, um, okay so this is a weird one

Andrew Lopez
Andrew Lopez

sniff the next tissue…

Wyatt Diaz
Wyatt Diaz

He treats Marx as if he has autism

William Gutierrez
William Gutierrez

yeah im a huge fan no disrespect

Lincoln Murphy
Lincoln Murphy

But he would have pre-prepared his opening speech, surely?

Logan Diaz
Logan Diaz

INFER THE THEORY

David Mitchell
David Mitchell

YOU YOU YOU

Josiah Allen
Josiah Allen

Scream about Leftypol cuntboys

Noah Allen
Noah Allen

Zizek better tear him a new one.
Sitting through this has been way too painful.

Michael Wright
Michael Wright

this whole argument about marxism is the assumption that karl marx himself necessarily advocated for command economy.

he didn't

Asher Lewis
Asher Lewis

Ouch, he doesn't know what he's talking about

Charles Johnson
Charles Johnson

youtube.com/watch?v=u_ACoGfFUjQ

Joseph Myers
Joseph Myers

its a warframe reference

Ayden Nguyen
Ayden Nguyen

Zizek didn't even need to prepare a statement.

He should just laugh for 10 minutes and do a line of coke.

Luke Morales
Luke Morales

Peterson is a rare case of a blowhard who talks way too much for the actual content of his arguments. Most people do the gish gallop where you say a lot of bullshit real fast. Peterson takes forever. He's therefore actually pretty easy to efficiently debunk if you just summarize what he says.

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

PRO-LAY-TEAR-EE-IT

Robert Cooper
Robert Cooper

I COULD FUCKING DEBATE THIS, AND I DIDN'T EVEN GO TO COLLEGE

Aiden Reyes
Aiden Reyes

You can't calculate in socialism!
[Cockshott is heard laughing far away]

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Jeremiah Lee
Jeremiah Lee

you eradicate the bourgeoisie because they're evil
So Peterson thinks socialism is a fucking anime?

Top tier idealism

Juan Clark
Juan Clark

Oh no guys, he infered the marxist theory from the manifesto. Sorry I can't be a communist anymore after this I'm switching sides.

Isaiah Martinez
Isaiah Martinez

Peterson is an omega male

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

The economic calculation problem was a thing back when computers took up a whole room.

Easton Clark
Easton Clark

reminder that zizek asked for a the debate to be based around premade speeches because he was afraid of peterson's verbal ability
doesn't look too scary now though

Robert Brown
Robert Brown

number 1 best selling author internationally

Lincoln Gray
Lincoln Gray

DOSTOYEVSKY

Benjamin Carter
Benjamin Carter

Reminder that Zizek is a fed agent. He's going to throw it in the towel and make Peterson look good.

Ethan Stewart
Ethan Stewart

the utopian STATE
under COMMUNISM

Easton Campbell
Easton Campbell

there are enough material goods, there's a goddamn garbage patch in the pacific, we throw away millions of tons of foods and consumer goods each year. Entire villages in Africa (and formerly china) make a living recycling waste electronics

Nolan Cooper
Nolan Cooper

He literally just strawmanned the class distinction into good vs evil.

Adam Young
Adam Young

i hope zizek doesn't even talk about anything peterson says. he just lays out the marxist critique of liberal politics and shows peterson fans you can critique shit culture on the left better than you can on the right. fuck.

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

thank god 420 is tomorrow, this is not a good friday at all

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

MAKE IT STOP GIVE ME ZIZEK

Kevin Jones
Kevin Jones

Look how nervous he his.
WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE BOURGEOISIE….BECAUSE THEIR EVIL??
UTOPIAN STATE
DOSTOEVSKY

This was expected by everyone.

Blake James
Blake James

Going to college doesn't mean shit.

Austin Wood
Austin Wood

that's not needed for his misdirection at all

Nicholas Nguyen
Nicholas Nguyen

THE LAST BUT BY NO MEANS THE LAST

Jordan Flores
Jordan Flores

There are people right now who think this is genius, remember

Brody Clark
Brody Clark

Who is in the wrong here?

Evan Baker
Evan Baker

All you need to do really. Shit nigga he could read Critique of the Gotha Programme in 30 minutes.

Alexander Diaz
Alexander Diaz

Is the moderator sleeping in the background?! Who the fuck is that zombie they digged up, guy looks like he's coming straight out of a testube

Kayden Peterson
Kayden Peterson

MATERIAL SECURITY

Carson Ward
Carson Ward

my man is fucking retarded holy shit

James Cook
James Cook

HE DOESNT GET THE DIALECT
HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND THAT CAPITALISM ADVANCES THE MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES
HE DOESNT REALIZE HE'S CRITIQUING HIS OWN ARGUMENT

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

REMINDER THAT PETERSON FAGS WILL BELIEVE ALL OF THIS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Anthony Morales
Anthony Morales

Peterson is like asmr. He just lulls you to sleep because there's no content to focus on.

Kevin Morales
Kevin Morales

Omg this guy is dumb as shit

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

the system of the time was the most advanced system
brilliant observation Peterson
let it play out
welcome to accelerationism

Robert Morris
Robert Morris

Seize the means of flat screen TVs

Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

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Dylan Davis
Dylan Davis

How can one man say so much yet say so little?

Landon King
Landon King

MARX WAS A NARCISSIST

Nathaniel Howard
Nathaniel Howard

GET ALL THE FLATSCREEN TELEVISION AND PUT EM IN ONE ROOM

-t. Capitalist

Holy shit.

Benjamin Fisher
Benjamin Fisher

MARX WAS A NARCISSIST

Daniel Stewart
Daniel Stewart

THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO
IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED
IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY
THAT IT COULD POSSIBLY BE FLAWED

MARX WAS A NARCISSIST

Hunter Howard
Hunter Howard

marx and engels admit that there has never been as productive a system as capitalism
They don't "admit" it. It's fucking fundamental to their argument. He hasn't even comprehended the one text he read. I wonder if he even did read it.

Luis Parker
Luis Parker

MARX COULDN'T INTO DIALECTICS

Joshua Murphy
Joshua Murphy

The psychologist is projecting.
Sad

Nathan Long
Nathan Long

2867973
>>>>>>>>>>>muke

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

Advocating destuctive Hedonism
what

Kevin Clark
Kevin Clark

the capitalists will take the flat-screen TVs and put them in a room without letting anyone have them
i wonder if someone can come up with an historical example where something essentially equivalent to this actually happened. sounds like typical behaviour during a crisis of overproduction

Jose Peterson
Jose Peterson

He
TRIED
to read it :)

Cameron Evans
Cameron Evans

I don't understand what marxism is about

Lincoln Turner
Lincoln Turner

even if zizek trounces him the lobster fags will ignore and pretend peterson won.

Jaxson Powell
Jaxson Powell

HE THOUGHT HE WAS CORRECT AND NEVER QUESTIONED HIMSELF
retard

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Lincoln Torres
Lincoln Torres

"I tried to read the communist manifesto"
- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Xavier Carter
Xavier Carter

Is that a rhetorical question or have you not read Grapes of Wrath?

Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

i think he only has 5 minutes left

Lincoln Diaz
Lincoln Diaz

MUH TELEVISIONS, THEY AREN'T HOARDING TELEVISIONS SO MARX BTFO

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

I don't know how to achieve a society that is equal
Maybe he should have read some Marx.

Grayson Cook
Grayson Cook

SCREAM AT THE AUDIENCE

Dylan Reyes
Dylan Reyes

Lobster man really still talking, huh?

Jose Long
Jose Long

STATS

David Rivera
David Rivera

stats
oh boy, here we go

Hunter Walker
Hunter Walker

zizek sleeping rn

Nathaniel King
Nathaniel King

COMMUNIST MANIFESTO
GOMMUNIST MANFAESTO
HOLLY FUCKING SHIT IS THIS DUDE FUCKING RETARDED. WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT, THE PAMPHLET IS NOT A FUCKING PIECE OF THEORY.
HE'S SETTING HIMSELF UP TO BE ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED.
THIS HAS MADE ME LOSE ALL RESPECT FOR PETERSON.

Ryan Russell
Ryan Russell

ZIZEK IMBOUND HE WE GO

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

FEW STATS
google: why capitalism good

Jonathan Watson
Jonathan Watson

FREE
MARKET
STATS

LOOK
AT
THIS
GRAPH

Aiden Baker
Aiden Baker

HE HAS NO THOUGHT
HE HAS NO BRAIN
THIS RETARD IS A FUCKING DISGRACE

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Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

here come the
FACTS
and
LOGIC

John Bailey
John Bailey

where are these stats coming from?

Adrian Murphy
Adrian Murphy

I was curious if Peterson was going to have some thing up his sleeve at all, he's just out here saying marx was a moralist, economism doesn't deal with nature, discussing exploitation as if it was subjective/qualitative, managers are the same as capitalists, all the classic clueless talking points, i wonder if zizek can even wade through this shit effectively, it's so tedious

William Wright
William Wright

he didn't even understand it, which is the sad part.

Adrian Martinez
Adrian Martinez

CAN HE ACTUALLY MAKE AN ECONOMIC ARGUMENT

Robert Parker
Robert Parker

LET MY MAIN MAN AT EM

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John Moore
John Moore

Is Peterson medicated?

Connor Nguyen
Connor Nguyen

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Evan Taylor
Evan Taylor

this entire diatribe that was probably copy-pasted from victimofcommunism.com

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Hunter Adams
Hunter Adams

On ideology, yes

Kevin Reyes
Kevin Reyes

probably pinker lmao

Brody King
Brody King

The world isn't about economics, user. Only good and evil and lobsters and kulaks.

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

After this debate, Peterson committed suicide

Charles Morgan
Charles Morgan

No, but he only eats red meat.

Ian Diaz
Ian Diaz

OUT OF TIME
OUT OF TIME
OUT OF TIME

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Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

Yes on 100% beef

Jose Rodriguez
Jose Rodriguez

right winger here, this is an absolute shitshow, Lobsterman clearly has no idea how dialectical materialism works. I really didn't think it was that complicated to understand and debunk, but here he seems to be completely set on misunderstanding and oversimplifying every fucking tenet of the ideology.
Amazing.

Christian Thomas
Christian Thomas

LAUGHING

Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell

THE POOR ARE GETTING RICHER UNDER CAPITALISM

Carson Johnson
Carson Johnson

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Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

a rising tide lifts all boats (chuckling)

Carson Thompson
Carson Thompson

*audience laughs*

Sebastian Myers
Sebastian Myers

Is he getting laughed at?

Blake Bailey
Blake Bailey

HE'S READING HERITAGE FOUNDATION "FACTS" HOLY SHIT

Nathaniel Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor

poor are getting richer under capital

FUCKIN LOOOOOL

Jonathan Nguyen
Jonathan Nguyen

if you care about africa then capitalism . rising tide all boats

Julian White
Julian White

maybe he had some apple juice before the debate

Asher Lopez
Asher Lopez

inequality
Inequality has nothing to do with Marx's critique of capitalism.
socialism doesn't produce wealth
LMAO I suppose the USSR stayed a feudal shithole throughout its existence. They got into space using oxen!

Connor Thompson
Connor Thompson

"the poor are getting richer"
gets laughed at

Juan James
Juan James

ACADEMICS LIKE STEVEN PINKER YES UH ACADEMIA IS FULL OF POSTMODERN NEOMARXISTS BUT TRUST ME THIS GUY IS GOOD

ALSO WE WON'T HAVE POVERTY BY 2030 BECAUSE UH YEAH THAT'S HOW IT WORKS HEH WHO KNEW WE'LL REACH SOCIALISM THIS WAY HEH

Jeremiah Nguyen
Jeremiah Nguyen

LETS GO

Nathaniel Morgan
Nathaniel Morgan

Diamat is bullshit stalin made up. Marx talked about histmat (historical materialism)

Luis Roberts
Luis Roberts

Slavoj dont fuck this up

William Perez
William Perez

it'll help me a lot
what did he mean by this
is he dying

Samuel Thompson
Samuel Thompson

HERE COMES ZIZEK

Dylan Sullivan
Dylan Sullivan

Peterson's presentation is just strawmanning, incorrect assumptions and shit they heard from other anticommunists

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Nathan Stewart
Nathan Stewart

MY
DICK

Owen Cook
Owen Cook

thank you "Dr." Beterson

Angel Robinson
Angel Robinson

DADDY

Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson

get ready boys

Lucas Long
Lucas Long

HE'S ON
HE'S ON

Dylan Ramirez
Dylan Ramirez

You guys laugh at Peterson, but Zizek is going to fuck it up lmao

Xavier Price
Xavier Price

LEFT LIBERAL

Christopher Barnes
Christopher Barnes

BASED

Alexander Davis
Alexander Davis

NAZBOL GANG

NAZBOL GANG

NAZBOL GANG

NAZBOL GANG

NAZBOL GANG

Nathaniel Nelson
Nathaniel Nelson

ANTI IDPOL GANG

William Ramirez
William Ramirez

bringing it back to topic
OOF

Lincoln Phillips
Lincoln Phillips

ANTI IDPOL GANG RISE UP

John Howard
John Howard

DENG GANG

Benjamin Lopez
Benjamin Lopez

OH MY GOD HE'S GONNA DO IT

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

Inequality has nothing to do with Marx's critique of capitalism.
So what's the immiseration thesis then?

Brody Fisher
Brody Fisher

man, peterson cannot speak and zizek has trouble with english. what a sleep-inducing debate

Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

GOING FULL DENGISM

Elijah Young
Elijah Young

Starting right in with China…damn

Nolan Gonzalez
Nolan Gonzalez

china

deng gang

Easton Sanders
Easton Sanders

anti-idpol
china
reframing the debate question
oh my yes

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Josiah Jones
Josiah Jones

I COULD BTFO THIS. AND I'M SOME FAGGOT IN HIS SINGLE ROOM ON SOME MONGOLIAN BASKET WEAVING BOARD.

ZIZEK IF YOU FUCKING DROP THIS I SWEAR TO GOD

Kayden Ross
Kayden Ross

MAOPILLED

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Asher Reyes
Asher Reyes

Should i just skip the Peterson part? i'm a bit behind and apparently Zizek already started

Carter Reed
Carter Reed

I TOLD U
I TOOLD U ABOUT NAZBOL GANG, BRO

William Cox
William Cox

tibetan dengism is based

Carter Brown
Carter Brown

Anyone who reads the manifesto, even a complete pseud will pick up that Peterson has no idea what he's talking about. He could have just accused Zizek of being a Bolshevik, and called him an evil SJW to indulge his fans.

Even 4chan isn't buying any of this.

Kevin Perry
Kevin Perry

Yes, it's just the anti-communist propaganda you've heard a million times.

Jeremiah Mitchell
Jeremiah Mitchell

peterson said nothing for 30 minutes

Cooper Stewart
Cooper Stewart

get to live experience the thread

Camden Allen
Camden Allen

zizek seems to just be talking his pre-made part without taking into account any of what peterson said, so maybe we should all skip the whole thing

Julian Clark
Julian Clark

Its over Peterson won. Communism will never happen..

Cameron Miller
Cameron Miller

my shitty reading of the manifesto
VS
ultimate modernity truthbomb

Hudson Myers
Hudson Myers

Deng gang
Into the trash it goes

Thomas Ortiz
Thomas Ortiz

when zizek starts spitting fire

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Alexander Harris
Alexander Harris

he just mumbled clickbait

David Cruz
David Cruz

DENG GANG LITERALLY BLOWING PETERSON THE FUCK OUT

Jayden Williams
Jayden Williams

skip it
He just talked about the manifesto for an eon

Dylan Johnson
Dylan Johnson

That problem is never framed in terms of "inequality." Marx considered it a vague and useless notion.

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

Peterson has said nothing for his entire life.

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

zizek's discourse is on another level

Cooper Rivera
Cooper Rivera

the difference is monumental

Jace Bell
Jace Bell

POSTMODERN

Adrian Richardson
Adrian Richardson

donald trump is postmodernism
SCREAMING

Robert Brown
Robert Brown

Zizek is actually sticking to debating about happiness
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Michael Cox
Michael Cox

people need to stop whooping and clapping. this is a debate people! time is of the essence

Bentley James
Bentley James

the god of gish galloping

Matthew Parker
Matthew Parker

TRUMP IS THE POMO PRESIDENT

Austin Reyes
Austin Reyes

It's alright rage/cringe fuel but mostly because of his pretentiousness thinking he's special for making these arguments.

Camden Davis
Camden Davis

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Chase Clark
Chase Clark

TRUMP IS POST MODERNISM
/pol/ BTFO

Colton Morris
Colton Morris

slavoj zizek destroys donald trump with facts and logic

Isaac Cooper
Isaac Cooper

what is he talking about?

Chase Hall
Chase Hall

checking his chat with experts for facts and logic bombs about the manifesto

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

/pol/ right now

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Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

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Blake Flores
Blake Flores

That's true but I think the immiseration these could meaningfully be an example of economic inequality in the critique. The whole point is that the gap between proletariat and bourgeoisie grows as productivity increases.

Dominic Carter
Dominic Carter

it's not a good thing rhetorically. if neither of them actually engage with the other, who do you think "wins" in the eyes of the audience? the conservative, by default.

Lincoln Rivera
Lincoln Rivera

you vs the guy she tells you to not worry about

Noah Johnson
Noah Johnson

DOSTOYEVSKY

Adrian Gray
Adrian Gray

peterson sucks because he has to hit all these dumb fucking talking points given to him by his capitalist donors.

Jace Roberts
Jace Roberts

trump is the ultimate postmodernist,
joke's on you anti-pomo right wing death squad

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

What the fuck is Zizek doing?

Asher Morgan
Asher Morgan

SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH

Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

9/11
9/11
9/11
9/11
9/11
9/11
9/11

Jason Reyes
Jason Reyes

He's making subtle stabs from different angles at the ideology of Peterson.

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

It's over

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Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

NINE ELEVEN GANG DIAL IN

Brayden Flores
Brayden Flores

he's killin it

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

Do they really expect Žižek to say the N word? What's the N word?

Carter Flores
Carter Flores

self plagiarizing

Cameron Rodriguez
Cameron Rodriguez

Nigger

Henry Edwards
Henry Edwards

0-800-9-11

CALL NOW

James Cruz
James Cruz

He keeps trying to talk over the crowd cheering lol

Landon Nguyen
Landon Nguyen

Guys…he's not sniffing at all. What does it mean?

David Thompson
David Thompson

lacan

Oliver Rodriguez
Oliver Rodriguez

zizek i thought you were debating

David Baker
David Baker

CUCK MEMES

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

Way to drop the ball Zizek. Ya blew it. Redditors will never stop being smug.

Jayden Miller
Jayden Miller

He's allowed to use it. N-words said he could

Logan Thompson
Logan Thompson

UR RACIST BECUZ UR A CUCK

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

he hasn't sniffed once

Blake Long
Blake Long

Narxism

Juan Walker
Juan Walker

Are Peterson fags retarded?

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Justin Cox
Justin Cox

lmao its just all his talking points

Dylan Watson
Dylan Watson

THE TIME FOR SNIFFS IS OVER

Brandon Hernandez
Brandon Hernandez

who could have predicted this

Joshua Mitchell
Joshua Mitchell

sure

Zizek clickbait
vs
anticom clickbait

Let's hope they're just warming up

Grayson Bailey
Grayson Bailey

BEDTIME STORY WITH HITLAAA

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Benjamin Flores
Benjamin Flores

I can't believe you're gonna get BTFO by fucking Lobster man. Even I'm embarassed for you rn

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

and its great

Luis Perez
Luis Perez

The opening statements are prewritten he will debunk him soon (I hope).

Nicholas Anderson
Nicholas Anderson

Hitler was the first master in Pokemon GO

Brandon Davis
Brandon Davis

nazis are NPCs
neonazis are in clownworld

Jackson Flores
Jackson Flores

hitler is the ultimate puppetmaster behind CLOWNWORLD

Hudson White
Hudson White

its not

Aiden Martin
Aiden Martin

yes

Brody Harris
Brody Harris

He has the pass, it’s OK

David Turner
David Turner

Bud is legal now here in Canuckistan, someone gave him an edible.

James Foster
James Foster

IDEOLOGY

Samuel Turner
Samuel Turner

this post

cringe

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

I knew this was going to happen. Instead of meeting Peterson's bullshit he's just falling back on Zizekism.

Tyler Young
Tyler Young

this is what pol gets out of Zizek

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Brayden Scott
Brayden Scott

t. obviously not watching the debate

Adrian Clark
Adrian Clark

le cringee
go back to reddit

Bentley Jackson
Bentley Jackson

man shut the fuck up. it's the introductory statement, not a response to peterson. the debate is later. are you retarded?

Elijah Garcia
Elijah Garcia

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Bentley Barnes
Bentley Barnes

Peterson mumbles like a nervous hack all of his copypasted one liners about communism for 30 minutes
zizek just quotes literally who's and Lacan, turns it into a lecture, repeats his own statements he wrote in articles and other talks
Peterson was painfully stupid, Zizek is painfully boring
There are people that literally paid money, a lot of money, to listen to these two people saying what they always say, what these people probably already read. As a cherry on top they aren't even going to engage with each other, actually, I bet they are going to agree with each other (yeah everyone saw this coming).

The only thing that could save this shitshow is someone heckling "Stalin did nothing wrong" or something.

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Zachary Perry
Zachary Perry

reddit
cringe

Matthew Martinez
Matthew Martinez

Based. Glad I'm not deep into leftist. I can go back to being a nazi. Imagine being btfo by Peterson

Ryan Brooks
Ryan Brooks

Brainlets who fall for silly bed time stories

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

literal children

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Joshua Clark
Joshua Clark

le plebbit meme

yikes!

Adam Ross
Adam Ross

I'd bet you 10 bucks that it doesn't get better.

Ethan Flores
Ethan Flores

next point!

Hudson Harris
Hudson Harris

christ

Daniel King
Daniel King

the Q&A is still pending

Matthew Barnes
Matthew Barnes

Is zizek nervous?

Ryder Davis
Ryder Davis

Do they not understand what he is saying?

Dylan Long
Dylan Long

Im not sure what some people expected to happen, but debates often open with (surprise) opening arguments. They're the most famous philosophers on earth, ofc they're going to repeat stuff theyve said before

Christian Price
Christian Price

if you think petersons arguments were more coherent than zizeks rambling than you are mentally retarded and/or a minor

Oliver Johnson
Oliver Johnson

Of course, this clown is getting slapped by peterson

Aaron Powell
Aaron Powell

EGOISM

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Jace Harris
Jace Harris

He sniffs when nervous and he hasn't sniffed once. He knows Peterson is way out of his league.

Dylan Lopez
Dylan Lopez

such soft minds

Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

OMG

William Allen
William Allen

> POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

Easton Richardson
Easton Richardson

ME TOO

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

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Aiden Morgan
Aiden Morgan

obviously not lmao

Wyatt Turner
Wyatt Turner

peterson's opening statement was wrong on almost every level. Almost every claim he made about marx was wrong and shows an unfamiliarity with his work. Hopefully zizek has the balls to point this out

Eli Russell
Eli Russell

The image of Donald Trump is a liberal fetish

My word

Adrian Hill
Adrian Hill

So far Zizek conceded that Communism is shit and doesn't work but Muh PC is bad but muh refugees bad muh metoo also bad.

Cameron Robinson
Cameron Robinson

anytime i look back at 4pol i feel like i get cancer

Blake Harris
Blake Harris

you're forgetting about the Q&A section bitch

Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

I knew this would happen.
/pol/ is way too dumb for this since they got flooded by 12 yo zoomers

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Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

This has to be leftypol shitposters right

Liam Morales
Liam Morales

He's completely right you know.

Joshua Price
Joshua Price

2868662
moron

Julian Morgan
Julian Morgan

I think he isn't sniffing because he's reciting a text

Benjamin Brown
Benjamin Brown

Quite the opposite, its because Peterson went on an incohrent rant while Zizek is going on some irrelevant ramble.

Daniel King
Daniel King

Literally mentioned China in the first 2 sentances ya dork

Justin Price
Justin Price

damn he's really using phrases right out of his old talks, i've heard that whole "oh so we should have read Mein Kampf to understand Hitler's point of view?", he used on a talk in an university and a talk with Yanis Varoufakis

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

ZIZEK CHANNELING DELEUZE

Jason Baker
Jason Baker

He hasn't talked about communism yet.

Bentley Sanchez
Bentley Sanchez

SNIFF

Angel Hill
Angel Hill

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Robert Young
Robert Young

I mean he's not even Trying to defend the Manifesto here. Even I could defend the maifesto by pointing out to the plebs that many things shilled for in the manifesto like holidays no child labor laws work safety laws, pensions etc they take for granted now

Daniel Brown
Daniel Brown

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Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

L O B S T E R S
O
B
S
T
E
R
S

Dominic Howard
Dominic Howard

LOBSTER CONSTRUCTION

Wyatt Powell
Wyatt Powell

LOBSTER GANG

James Watson
James Watson

Because that's not his objective, would you try to defend the manifesto right after hearing Peterson ramble for 30 fucking minutes about nothing? if he wanted he would defend it.

Lucas Brooks
Lucas Brooks

animal kingdom is cancelled

Kevin James
Kevin James

He's sniffin

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

1. The manifesto is not the core of Marx's theory. It's not nearly as significant as say the Grundrisse.
2. This is obviously a pre-written opening statement. They said that at the top. Are you retarded?

Camden Jenkins
Camden Jenkins

some retards on half/lit as well

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Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

China is not fucking even working towards building socialism the USA and Every Eurofag country has a bigger welfare state they are working towards developing to the US and European level

Asher Turner
Asher Turner

Well thank god

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

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Jeremiah Gray
Jeremiah Gray

that's a sniff

Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

Zizek just plowing through any debate structure by reading of this sheet to every now and then raise his head and give a take directly through the 4th wall is so brechtian its artistic

Josiah Wright
Josiah Wright

OH SHIT
HE'S RIPPING INTO THE LOBSTER SHIT

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Jaxson Sanders
Jaxson Sanders


China is not fucking even working towards building socialism

Michael Reyes
Michael Reyes

"And so on and so on"

Colton Harris
Colton Harris

zizek

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Adam Cox
Adam Cox

HE FINALLY SNIFFED

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

pol
not retarded
do you even need to ask?

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

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Camden Cruz
Camden Cruz

and it was a big sniff too, followed by a smaller hasty sniff

Ethan Sullivan
Ethan Sullivan

I like to think that Zizek's paper is full of tic-tac-toe scribbles and he's only pretending to read off of it..

Daniel Howard
Daniel Howard

This is not going to get filled. No way Žižek is going to call Peterson a nigger.

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

Hey, his face is better, huh?
Good to know.

Parker Reed
Parker Reed

These god darn leftists and their big words.

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Isaac Lee
Isaac Lee

He could justify it by quoting Marx on Lassalle

Parker Harris
Parker Harris

SUBTLE

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

DUDE FUCK STALIN LMAO

Oliver Torres
Oliver Torres

sortition gang

Caleb Torres
Caleb Torres

Ok so he cucked

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

Zizek should say nigger

Anthony Hernandez
Anthony Hernandez

we and /pol/ agree that Zizek wins

Matthew Sanchez
Matthew Sanchez

remember the aral sea

Thomas Ramirez
Thomas Ramirez

If you ever wondered why Peterson is popular.

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Jonathan Foster
Jonathan Foster

Too many big words for the lobster boys

Colton Long
Colton Long

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Ryder Jackson
Ryder Jackson

Is Peterson going to neck after this???

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Sebastian Morgan
Sebastian Morgan

Anatomy is destiny tho

take the blackpill

Gavin Hernandez
Gavin Hernandez

is this a jojo reference?

Nathan Lewis
Nathan Lewis

NWO

Gabriel Hernandez
Gabriel Hernandez

lmao

Ryan Jenkins
Ryan Jenkins

is the size of my dick destiny?

Wyatt Torres
Wyatt Torres

COMMUNIST NWO

Jackson Hill
Jackson Hill

fucking poopoopeepee lmao

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Easton Ortiz
Easton Ortiz

Zizek fucked it up. Cringe.

Jonathan James
Jonathan James

too much of a fatalistic ideology for me

Christian Flores
Christian Flores

MUH HOMOPHOBIA CAUSES REFUGEES IN OTHER COUNTRY'S

So basically you want America to war for the gay across the world

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

He's btfoing neocons now

Jayden Miller
Jayden Miller

Muh regulations = communism
fuck this fat faggot

Henry Powell
Henry Powell

Fuck dude, I've been doing shots and maybe I'm just drunk but it seems like Zizek is legit dropping serious red pills on this crowd. If my perception is right, then this was a good idea just for exposing Peterson fanboys to actual critique.

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

GRONK NO LIKE WHAT GRONK HEARS

WEIRD WORDS UNFAMILIAR SOUNDS VERY LONG SPEAK

GRONK LEAVE THIS PLACE

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Andrew Rivera
Andrew Rivera

i knew this was going to be a disappointment as soon as i heard it wasn't going to be a debate

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

Imagine ever being a Zizek fanboy lolololololol

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

legend

Justin Hernandez
Justin Hernandez

The chad Žižek
Casually intrudes into Peterson's time, says two minutes
Already took twice that

Landon Brown
Landon Brown

Warmup is over, time for the proper debate.

William Brown
William Brown

there will be a live exchange later

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

No debate, after this is only Q&A

Evan Gomez
Evan Gomez

Zizek should applaud himself lmao

Isaiah Edwards
Isaiah Edwards

Hurr me and Jordan Peterson are united against librul censorship

Brayden Sanders
Brayden Sanders

How in the world is he going to respond

Grayson Nelson
Grayson Nelson

I think he's deliberately understating it. Regulating capitalism in this way requires a radical change that really is equivalent to a transition into communism.

Dominic Adams
Dominic Adams

This was always the plan there's a you tube link earlier in the thread where he says so.

Michael Sanchez
Michael Sanchez

zori zori

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

No, they each get 10min to reply first.

Daniel Flores
Daniel Flores

Zizek didn't do too bad.

Oliver Young
Oliver Young

He is not.

Jordan Gutierrez
Jordan Gutierrez

No, Zizek is an anticommunist cryptofash

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

So far:

Peterson 3/10
Zizek 8/10

Elijah Morales
Elijah Morales

When is he gonna say the N word

James Edwards
James Edwards

lol he flat out stole half of Peterson's response time

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

ZIZEK LITERALLY TOO SMART FOR PETERSON
LMAO

Brayden Clark
Brayden Clark

I need a meme of
"My god, is this our future?"

Alexander Ross
Alexander Ross

go back to 9gag

Nathan Cox
Nathan Cox

PETERSON CUCKING TO ZIZEK

Michael Rodriguez
Michael Rodriguez

muh gorillions
He's going to talk about how it sounds good on paper but when you try to apply it you get a
GULAG ARCHIPELAGO

Kayden Bell
Kayden Bell

THE TRAIN JOKE
WE LOVE THE TRAIN JOKE

Blake Cruz
Blake Cruz

Zizek is taking control.

Nathaniel Smith
Nathaniel Smith

your opening should respond to mine, not be your own opening

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

Imagine being a peterson fanboi and realizing this right now.

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James Taylor
James Taylor

yes, however a series of self-inflicted priapism episodes, during the course of months can cause it to increase in size and length. there is a reason why people who have sickle cell anemia have big penises. this method already has a patent.

patents.google.com/patent/US20050065159A1/en

facts are ideology

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Elijah Howard
Elijah Howard

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Henry Ramirez
Henry Ramirez

zizek has baffled peterson.

Luis Russell
Luis Russell

PER SE
wow im so smart :3

Brody King
Brody King

LOL CONCEDING

Aiden Robinson
Aiden Robinson

BRAINLET PETERSON IS FUCKED

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

Zizek's response was too complex for me
did I really just hear him say that?

Mason Stewart
Mason Stewart

Peterson already fumbling

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

CAPITALISM IS THE WORST EXCEPT FOR ALL THE OTHERS

Ryder Sanders
Ryder Sanders

<i wasnt defending capitalism xddddd lamo

Ethan Long
Ethan Long

noooooo

Justin Lopez
Justin Lopez

DID ZIZEK GO FULL ACCELERATIONIST GANG?

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

This is the state of popular intellectualism in the 21st century.

Camden Jones
Camden Jones

CAPITALIST REALISM

Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

O IEEE BOIEIIIII

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Bentley Price
Bentley Price

chad zizek

Blake Cox
Blake Cox

peterson literally using the "capitalism is bad but everything else is worse" argument

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Kevin Wright
Kevin Wright

10 minutes for Peterson

Too much for Peterson give him 5

Isaiah Morales
Isaiah Morales

I WAS UHHHH DEFENDING CAPITALISM VS COMMUNISM LMAO APXOIHAWOPETHOPAW

Sebastian Morgan
Sebastian Morgan

<hey man i wasn't really defending capitalism i was just trying to compare and contrast with communism :🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Adrian Collins
Adrian Collins

H-HEH YEAH ZIZEK THAT'S A LOT I CAN'T ANSWER ALL OF THAT
I-I WASN'T DEFENDING CAPITALISM I WAS J-JUST COMPARING
I-I'M NOT FLIPPANT
lol

Logan Carter
Logan Carter

Fuck off. Even if he's a naive liberal (which I don't think is the case) he at least upholds good progressive values.

Carson Sanchez
Carson Sanchez

HOLY FUCK HES BECOMING MARXIST

Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

zizek or ringo

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Andrew Williams
Andrew Williams

Really, this debate makes me wish Mark Fisher was still alive to throw Peterson in the trash.

Matthew Sanders
Matthew Sanders

PSYCHOMETRICIAN

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

Dude fuck stalin, fuck castro, fuck the soviet union, fuck yugoslavia
I'm progressive

Bentley Reyes
Bentley Reyes

the humor of the situation is that peterson is largely unprofound and that is why he is easier to parse than zizek who has a lot more to say

Samuel Walker
Samuel Walker

"F-fair enough"
oooh boy

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

PSYCHOBIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS

Owen Morales
Owen Morales

Is that all you got out of his argument?

Thomas Collins
Thomas Collins

D I A L E C T I C S

Isaiah Anderson
Isaiah Anderson

Why isn't he talking about what zizek was talking about?

Christopher Smith
Christopher Smith

I need to piss guys give 2 mins

Logan Turner
Logan Turner

piddling over the definition of happiness
hmmm

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Samuel Wright
Samuel Wright

Bro get back here you're gonna miss it

William Campbell
William Campbell

Because it was too complex for him and he's a fucking hack.

Luis Baker
Luis Baker

just pause video and then resume at 2x speed until you catch up

Ian Richardson
Ian Richardson

HE WAS THE POST-MODERNIST ALL ALONG

Blake Rogers
Blake Rogers

That's the real takeaway.

Juan Cruz
Juan Cruz

"trump is the postmodernist president" was funny though

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

that does not mean the transformation of all life into commodities in a capitalist sense is the best way forward

Christopher Sanders
Christopher Sanders

He's purposely avoiding talking about his major points like ecology and stuff

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

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Easton Sanders
Easton Sanders

lol

Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

he said it was too complex for him, so he's gonna resume his basic talking points

Daniel Hall
Daniel Hall

Why is Peterson so boring especially in stark contrast with Zizek?

Brody Scott
Brody Scott

youtube.com/watch?v=xxLYk3wBtXs
he was right

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Kayden Martinez
Kayden Martinez

hell yeah dude

Landon Adams
Landon Adams

Alright Im back has either zizek or peterson said the n word yet?

Dylan Adams
Dylan Adams

Zizek was just doing what he always does, talking about the crisis of capitalist society and of liberal democracy. Did you guys seriously think he would start talking about the October revolution and refuting anticommunist propaganda?

Caleb Brown
Caleb Brown

JBP claims to not hear any support for Marxism in Zizek's statement
Zizek's entire statement was an exercise in Marxist analysis

Truly a brainlet of the highest degree

Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

Have you ever watched a debate? It always goes like this. It's a shitty way to have a discussion.

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

we need to raise the bottom three billion out of poverty so they can care enough about the environment that we can work collectively

Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

Not yet, but it’s only a matter of time.

Henry Gonzalez
Henry Gonzalez

lol he literally asked a black man to walk up the stage so he could call him the n word right in his face, you missed it

Landon Bailey
Landon Bailey

LMAO

Nicholas Gutierrez
Nicholas Gutierrez

J-J-JULIAN STEINBEN AND THAT BIOLOGIST FROM.. FROM…

Adrian Hughes
Adrian Hughes

FUCK

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

we just need to get other people rich so they'll take care of the environment
What cuck ideology.
How can people buy into this and not feel themselves shriveling internally?

Oliver Young
Oliver Young

Which one?

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

I DON'T MEAN THAT IN A POST-MODERN WAY, ACKCHYUALLY

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Gabriel Murphy
Gabriel Murphy

kek

Carter Myers
Carter Myers

DESTROYED

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

EQUALITY OF OUTCOME
Mark the bingo, baby.

Zachary Wood
Zachary Wood

<equality of outcome is the marxist aim
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

MY FUCKING GOD, HOW DUMB HE CAN BE
FOR FUCKS SAKE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Aiden Barnes
Aiden Barnes

muh knowledge holism
you don't know anything until you know everything
Hegel is cancer

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Jacob Diaz
Jacob Diaz

Marxists want to make everyone the same height and same eye color

Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

l e t s s e e

Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson

equality of outcome
a marxist aim
HE READ THE MANIFESTO GUYS! HE DID HIS RESEARCH!

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Jackson Scott
Jackson Scott

* 10 second pause while he browses slides *

Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

Jesus, he incapable of engaging with him, and has to construct the straw-man.
It's the only way he can keep talking.

Jace Gray
Jace Gray

Cut off the legs of the taller basketball players so shorties can keep up lmao

Cooper Williams
Cooper Williams

It's a joke fam. Zizek caught some shit for telling a story where some black guys told him "you can call me nigger" for making an over-the-top racism joke to them.

Brandon Williams
Brandon Williams

yeah that was lowkey awkward

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

imagine Peterson vs Cockshott in peer reviewed journals

Elijah Gray
Elijah Gray

Yeah I remember that

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

He really is the boring college professor who relies on PowerPoint too much

Isaiah Campbell
Isaiah Campbell

Slavoj ZiKEK

Juan Perez
Juan Perez

hes lost this

Brody Myers
Brody Myers

Why is Peterson so boring
Because we heard all his talking points since 2016. He has nothing new to say almost four years later.

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

cut my life into pieces
this is my last resort

Jackson Watson
Jackson Watson

this debate will be uploaded to the portal once we're finished

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

lol peterstein on suicide watch

Isaiah Hill
Isaiah Hill

This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only – for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored. Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm

<b-but memeofesto

Thomas Ramirez
Thomas Ramirez

Shit bruh, missed that one.

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Jace Nguyen
Jace Nguyen

Amazing, 10 minutes "commentary" to backpeddle

Ahahahaa holy shit. Peterson is fucking terrified of Zizek.

Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

the free market constitutes the clear winner
hmm

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Ryder Martinez
Ryder Martinez

I DONT BUY THE BULLSHIT

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

Capitalism in 20 years reached a lower death rate than socialism
lmao, commies btfo

Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

zizek just wants to make friends and focus on agreements
why is he so pure

Jackson White
Jackson White

JORDAN AM I DREAMING?

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

I'm kind of bummed that Zizek isn't petty enough to engage Peterson on this level.

Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

Holy fuck, zizek is really taking this over.

Leo Fisher
Leo Fisher

dude just be good
lmao

Caleb Powell
Caleb Powell

the gloves are coming off

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

PROBLEMATIZING HAPPINESS

Carson Collins
Carson Collins

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Thomas Smith
Thomas Smith

I HURT MYSELF TODAY

Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL

Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

BABY YOU'RE A RICH MAN BABY YOU'RE A RICH MAN TOO

Owen Anderson
Owen Anderson

Zizek is the eccentric uncle I wish I had.

Jayden Kelly
Jayden Kelly

Zizek is dropping Eastern bloc pills

Jackson Rivera
Jackson Rivera

you may work in a gig economy, but at least you can be legally gay

Zachary Cox
Zachary Cox

I think Zizek is doing quite well, what do you guys think?

Josiah White
Josiah White

MY GOD

Nathan Gutierrez
Nathan Gutierrez

More anticommunism from cokehead
fuck zizek

Camden Lee
Camden Lee

Not only is he winning but he's turning JBP

James Brown
James Brown

Honestly I'm not following along all that well, but I gather that they are hardly addressing the topic or each other much.

Mason Edwards
Mason Edwards

What did he say about poland again/?

Eli Hernandez
Eli Hernandez

coke break when

Brandon Parker
Brandon Parker

They're both pretty inscrutable, but yeah Zizek is making real arguments while Peterson is whining and concern trolling. Also the audience is way in Zizek's favor.

Jonathan Stewart
Jonathan Stewart

Was Peterson crying?

Jaxon James
Jaxon James

trying to avoid sounding like a ☭TANKIE☭ is anti-communism

Charles Sanchez
Charles Sanchez

legit criticism of the USSR is anti-communism
oh boi

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

I'm becoming the point of this debate was to turn Peterson into a Stras.serite.

Jayden Sanchez
Jayden Sanchez

micro-sociology into the eastern bloc? hell yeah its adam curtis time baby

Dominic Ortiz
Dominic Ortiz

SOME OF MY [ideology] FRIENDSH

Josiah Allen
Josiah Allen

Yeah, it is.

Liam Walker
Liam Walker

KILL YOURSELF DISCORD TRANNY

Jacob Thomas
Jacob Thomas

zizek doesn't hate peterson enough

Zachary Diaz
Zachary Diaz

waht

Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

I want to see Zizek drop 3 lines in less than a minute

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

Pretty good.
The only thing with Zizek, is I think he's way too charitable toward people like this sometimes, but he's cares more about the idea of happiness itself than scoring rhetorical points.

Owen Perez
Owen Perez

*schniff* stalin good and so on and so on
is this a better argument?

Brayden Gray
Brayden Gray

Ziz is simply codeswitching for a wider audience and a right wing opposite

Matthew Ross
Matthew Ross

He is just stealing Peterson's daddy status in the eyes of tens of thousand of incel kids right now.

Sebastian Martinez
Sebastian Martinez

CRITIQUE
OF
GOTHA
GANG

Grayson James
Grayson James

HE DID IT
HE FINALLY CALLED HIM OUT

Dylan Sanchez
Dylan Sanchez

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Angel Torres
Angel Torres

calling Peterson's analysis of the manifesto a "simplified image"
I agree with you tho
Marx didn't really get social power (which is why he later developed his theories)
lemme make this argument about the nuance here
I have more interesting things to say
Holy
=FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
How does he even operate at this level?

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Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

EQUALITY IS BOURGEOIS

Brayden Richardson
Brayden Richardson

zizek is getting the most positive reaction from the audience

Oliver Phillips
Oliver Phillips

Critique of gotha Program

this should be the marx 101 book tbh

Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

Zizek made the point about Marx and equality. I'm a happy man.

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

JUST

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Nathan Cooper
Nathan Cooper

GOTHA GANG

Jeremiah Hill
Jeremiah Hill

SOUTH
AFRICA

Logan Campbell
Logan Campbell

lmao
friendship ended with PETERSON
now ZIZEK is my best friend

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

fucking owned, he should have done more lines like this where he points out how he doesnt know marx

i loved the "class is only binary" arguments as if lumpenproles or petitbourgeois werent marxist terms

Henry Campbell
Henry Campbell

Zizek dropping Critique of the Gotha Program to refute bourgeois equality is fucking great.

Isaac Myers
Isaac Myers

Damn, see his nod?

Camden Garcia
Camden Garcia

BASED

Chase Garcia
Chase Garcia

APAR
THEID

Jackson Garcia
Jackson Garcia

now ZIZEK is my best dad
more like

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

What I got from this debate is that Zizek is a Dengist.

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

GOTHA GANG
GOTHA GANG

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Brandon Green
Brandon Green

rafiq would have done better than zizek here

Chase Gray
Chase Gray

I know dude holy shit.

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Gabriel White
Gabriel White

is it true that marx didn't 'get' social power? i honestly am not a super well read marxist but zizek's claim here is interesting. it does appear marx is predominately interested in economic power and not social power, but his thesis seems to be that social power is in part based on economic power.

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

peterson scratching his leg like a crackhead hes cracking

Josiah Sanchez
Josiah Sanchez

I kind of got the same vibes when he was talking about China. Kinda dissapointed but still happy he's raping Peterson

Angel Gutierrez
Angel Gutierrez

I think Zizek is converting a lot of JBP fanboys and I don't know if that's a good thing or not

Jaxson Johnson
Jaxson Johnson

If so, we've got our work cut out. Be ready for shit threads asking for clarification on Marx minutiae

Gabriel Adams
Gabriel Adams

i dont really think he addressed it much and focused on material commodities

Aaron Gonzalez
Aaron Gonzalez

I CLOSE MY EYES AND SEIZE
I CLENCH MY FIST AND BEAT IT
I LIGHT MY TORCH AND BURN IT
I AM THE BEAST I WORSHIP

Owen Kelly
Owen Kelly

No, Zizek is a retard

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

I don't know. A lot of people would have done a better debunking of Peterson. But Zizek is doing some really advanced communist entryism here.

Robert Jackson
Robert Jackson

Social power isn't just economic power. There's political power and subtler power structures. The anarchists like Bakunin gave him a lot of clap backs about political power (and were 100% right), but he was a bit of an economic reductionist (not in the sense idpolers use it, but in that he missed some subtler social bits). Marx was brilliant, but his narrative wasn't totalizing so it does need some revision.

Carter Diaz
Carter Diaz

'THEY SHOULD HAVE HANGED THAT MANDELA FAGGOT!!!!'
wtf Zizek

Ryan Foster
Ryan Foster

zizek's got that slow trainwreck charisma

Luke Edwards
Luke Edwards

would pairing Max Weber and Foucault fill these holes

Angel Allen
Angel Allen

I think Marx considered it a problem to be solved by the communists of the future. His main project was to develop historical materialism and critique capitalism. Give the worker movement a strong theoretical foundation to propel itself, then worry about the specifics about the society they will implement.

Levi Sullivan
Levi Sullivan

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Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

"KULAKS WERE SUBHUMANS AND DESERVED IT AND THEY WEREN'T EVEN THE ONES THAT GOT IT WORST"
DUDE WHAT THE FUCK IS ZIZEK SAYING

Jackson Carter
Jackson Carter

Zizek turning the tables and low-key calling Peterson utopian

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Hunter Reed
Hunter Reed

*sniff*

Andrew Gomez
Andrew Gomez

You might want to read Lukacs' History and Class Consciousness. The issue is much more complicated than what you're going to get on this board.

Gavin Reed
Gavin Reed

Was that bit about "take one of my eyes" a joke?

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Evan Murphy
Evan Murphy

non-leftist here, just wanted to say that Jordan Peterson is way out of league and that Zizek is actually kinda based.

Jaxson Rivera
Jaxson Rivera

BASED AS FUCK

Adrian Myers
Adrian Myers

the idea that marx "just didn't account" for structures/psychology/the subaltern/the nature of power etc is the academic leftist version of "human nature" arguments.

Nathaniel Walker
Nathaniel Walker

JBP COMPLETELY IRRELEVANt

Joseph Allen
Joseph Allen

<You're a strange marxist to discuss with
LMAOOOOOOOO

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

Yeah

Hudson Ramirez
Hudson Ramirez

WHAT THE FUCK IS PETERSON DOING

James Hughes
James Hughes

A CHARACTER

Landon Walker
Landon Walker

Please read a bit. Maybe you should be a lefty, my dude.

Ryan Bell
Ryan Bell

I think Peterson is very upset that Zizek has a better stage presence.

Easton Campbell
Easton Campbell

MY SIDES!
Peterson don't get Zizek

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Justin Gutierrez
Justin Gutierrez

ZIZEK I WANT TO KISS U

Aaron Watson
Aaron Watson

Peterson flattering zizek, this is turning romantic, perhaps the greatest ending of all

James Green
James Green

It makes you attractive
Peterson acknowledges Zizek as his daddy

Lucas Gomez
Lucas Gomez

HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND THAT ZIZEK IS A MARXIST

Henry Wilson
Henry Wilson

lurk here and on 8ch.net/marx famalam

Adrian Thompson
Adrian Thompson

I SHIP IT
JIZEK? ZIZERSON?

Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

peterson conceding moral courage and originality and attractiveness

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Gavin Moore
Gavin Moore

lol now he's just interviewing him

Ayden Wright
Ayden Wright

Peterson is asking a good question. I wonder if Zizek will say something enlightening.

Luke Smith
Luke Smith

literally
ur too good to be a marxist
and zizek remains unwilling to actually say something in favour of marxism

pathetic

Charles Wood
Charles Wood

ZIZEKISM
MARKET OF IDEOLOGIES FUCK YESSS

Levi Rogers
Levi Rogers

ZIZEKISM
I
Z
E
K
I
S
M

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Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

The polarities have shifted. Zizek is new daddy now.

Because he spent all his life thinking that SJWs are POMO karltural Marxists.

Ayden Wright
Ayden Wright

this

Josiah Robinson
Josiah Robinson

calls Marxism old
libertarianism existed when slave labor was still a thing
Hmmmmmmm

Juan Green
Juan Green

170 years old, coming from an advocate for Darwinian hierarchical organizing

Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

please kiss

James Price
James Price

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Ryder Smith
Ryder Smith

>Peterson complaining about how old Marxism is, while also supporting Christfag dogma

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Nolan Barnes
Nolan Barnes

18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte gang

Evan Rodriguez
Evan Rodriguez

hegel gang

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

hegel the madman

Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

HEGEL GANG
HEGEL GANG HEGEL GANG

William Gonzalez
William Gonzalez

cheering
Fedoras are now tge garb of the workers

Samuel Reyes
Samuel Reyes

I'm a hegelian
<crowd applauds furiously
What am I sensing here?

Colton Green
Colton Green

FINISH HIM OFF

Connor Jones
Connor Jones

peterson is the student here

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

0-800-HEGEL-GANG

CALL NOW

Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

SO, LET'S WRAP IT UP
Peterson almost breaks down as he talks about the gorillions
Zizek turns his talk in a boring lecture and 80% of the time only namedrops literally whos
peterson's reply is backpaddling "i d-didn't really mean capitalism is good h-heh"
zizek's reply is a lukewarm callout
like everyone said, they agree on a lot and have their closing notes on that
peterson the brainlet is surprised that zizek isn't a typical liberal

That last answer by Zizek was the only good part of this "debate". He really drove the point home, finally.

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Aiden James
Aiden James

you know

Asher Sullivan
Asher Sullivan

My friendship with Marx has ended.
Hegel is new best fried

Angel White
Angel White

Marxism essentially is Hegel with a fedora

Daniel Collins
Daniel Collins

Anti praxis

Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

MARX WAS A JEWISH AUTHORITARIAN

t.Bakunin

Christian Russell
Christian Russell

materialist reversal of marx by turning back to hegel

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

maxism-leninism–maoism-zizekism gang

Leo White
Leo White

the dialectic in motion

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

zizeks actual representation of marx was so different from what peterson spoke about, that peterson had to try to distance zizek from marxism

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Can someone post the link again?

Lincoln Brooks
Lincoln Brooks

Marx wasn't a marxist.

Hunter Perez
Hunter Perez

I like the rhetorical move Zizek makes. Pretend that he dislikes everything his opponent dislikes about Marxism (which is easy, their notion of Marxism is a non-existent specter to begin with) and then go on to enumerate all the central tenets of Marxism as if it were a side-note. We should learn from this.

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

Zizek seems like a "post leftist" after listening to him.

Henry Jackson
Henry Jackson

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

Julian Butler
Julian Butler

this

Ryan Morales
Ryan Morales

i wonder if people who think marx was too vulgar for grasping hegel ever tackle the texts he wrote about it, or have any idea about the kind of philosophy education climate at berlin while he was getting his PhD

Mason Cox
Mason Cox

JUST ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE BEDTIME, DADDY!

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Liam Walker
Liam Walker

I don't have anything to quivel about what you just said…..
RIP

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

Peterson concedes

Nathaniel Stewart
Nathaniel Stewart

Zizek is like, a post thoughtist or something. He tries to be as weird and subversive as possible, which is why he's good. He forces you to think about shit just trying to make sense of him.

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

Good night fellas was a good thread

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Grayson Adams
Grayson Adams

Peterson probably had no idea what Kapital even is

Robert Butler
Robert Butler

Peterson looks like he's actually cracked.

Benjamin Moore
Benjamin Moore

Is the Communist manifesto the only book he read?

Aaron Ross
Aaron Ross

Thanks

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

DRAGON

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

So that is happening.

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

peterson talking about sheep and dragons lol

Dylan Garcia
Dylan Garcia

i dont have anything to quivel about what you just said
PETERSON ON NOOSEWATCH

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Angel Green
Angel Green

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE
Man did lobsterman turn humble before Zizek?

OH lord STOP THE DRAGON SAVE THE SHEEPS

Joshua Mitchell
Joshua Mitchell

i know, i'm talking about marxism. i know it's the new fad to pretend "Only marx was worthwhile, everyone from the anti-duhring onwards was regressive" but it's a pathetic point of view.

John Evans
John Evans

==FFFFFFFFFFF=
F
F
F
FFFFFFFF
F
F
F
F
F

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

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Luis Morgan
Luis Morgan

ZIZEK'S FUCKING GOT HIM BOYS

James Gray
James Gray

Fuck 'em.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

Postmodern Neomarxist has been mentioned. We did it boys.

Henry Price
Henry Price

He calling out peterson calling everything marxism

Owen Scott
Owen Scott

Thank God someone's pointing out that Postmodern neomarxism doesn't mean anything to Peterson's face

John Martin
John Martin

What pose is this?

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Hudson Long
Hudson Long

LETS FUCKING GO

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Ayden Allen
Ayden Allen

PETERSON IS SPOOKED

Leo Long
Leo Long

Oh this is brutal

SHOW ME THE MARXISTS

Carter Rivera
Carter Rivera

Zizek said we need capitalism with restrictions, rather than marxism/communism. This shit fucking blows.

John Cox
John Cox

Its over. Fuck his bussy and get it over with.

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

Holy Fucking Based

John Taylor
John Taylor

Peterson sounds like he's about to cry

Benjamin Wright
Benjamin Wright

HE
IS
CALLING
PETERSON
OUT

Henry Allen
Henry Allen

HERE WE GO

Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

youtube.com/watch?v=WGRC5AA1wF0

Dylan Stewart
Dylan Stewart

"book"

peterson can't read currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

Tyler Reed
Tyler Reed

He's trying to make a swastika as a last stand

Christopher Murphy
Christopher Murphy

Did Zizek lowkey reference Exiting the Vampire Castle?

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

The "daddy, forgive me, I was a bad boy" pose.

Angel Sanchez
Angel Sanchez

Is Peterson getting REDpilled?

William Wright
William Wright

he's literally at the end of his chair

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

HOLY FUCK
Now i see what's happening.
Zizek is breaking through Peterson's ideology. It's the fight scene of They Live all over again.

John Stewart
John Stewart

Marx wasn't a marxist.
Yes he was you fucking idiot. That's a sarcastic quote you're referencing.

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Peterson's getting fucking murdered and it's beautiful

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

he's a succdem lol

Oliver Martinez
Oliver Martinez

IT BURNS!

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

Lmao what the fuck is that

Jack Jenkins
Jack Jenkins

I DON'T ADVISE YOU READ MORE

Cooper Nguyen
Cooper Nguyen

GIVE ME THE NAMES
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAA

Gavin Murphy
Gavin Murphy

I WANT NAMES
GIVE ME THE NAMES
WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS
SHOW ME THE MARXISTS

Brayden Walker
Brayden Walker

Zizek owned him. I'm so happy. Best day of my life.

Luis Hughes
Luis Hughes

muh dragons
holy shit

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Colton Moore
Colton Moore

hahahahaha

Brandon Green
Brandon Green

SHOW ME THE FUCKING MARXISTS, JORDAN

Robert Cruz
Robert Cruz

I M P O T E N T M O R A L I Z A T I ON

Nathaniel Carter
Nathaniel Carter

SJWs being this BTFO

BASED

BASED

LET ME SAY IT AGAIN

BASED

DISCORD TRANNIES BTFO

Luke Sanders
Luke Sanders

THE NAMES JORDAN

Samuel White
Samuel White

Fiddling fingers
Looking down
Mumbling
He's done.

Henry Baker
Henry Baker

The virgin sit

Lucas Scott
Lucas Scott

It wasn't sarcasm. He was talking about people misinterpreting him. He said "if they're Marxists, then I'm not a Marxist."

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

ZIZEK: "YOUR AN IDIOT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT"
HOLY SHIT

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Hunter Johnson
Hunter Johnson

I AM SORRY

Juan Mitchell
Juan Mitchell

he just got murdered

Isaiah Bell
Isaiah Bell

IMPTOTENT MORALIZATION
I want to suck his cock tbh.

Ayden Parker
Ayden Parker

HE'S EATING HIS ASS

Noah Jones
Noah Jones

Are you sure about that.gif

Jason Harris
Jason Harris

Zizek is fucking destroying him.

Nathan Price
Nathan Price

Man Peterson really has no idea what Marxism is, did Peterson buy into the Cultural marxism?

Xavier Smith
Xavier Smith

holy shit zizek going hard

Sebastian Gomez
Sebastian Gomez

THE NAMES PETERSON GIVE ME THE NAMES

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Jonathan Rodriguez
Jonathan Rodriguez

And here we go, Zizek going in for the kill. Taking down Peterson's understanding of Marxism.

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Parker Kelly
Parker Kelly

I mean, kinda yeah.

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

I"m not saying you're an idiot who doesnt know what he is talking about

Dominic Turner
Dominic Turner

Ziziek is gonna fucking murder him here

Grayson Johnson
Grayson Johnson

HERE WE GO

Matthew Wilson
Matthew Wilson

did Peterson buy into the Cultural marxism?
He has for years now

Nathaniel Robinson
Nathaniel Robinson

HOLY SHIT GO OFF KING

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

STUTTERING

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

SCREAM ABOUT LEFTYPOL WHEB ZIZEK KILL THIS POINT

Joshua Butler
Joshua Butler

were into foucault babbyyyyy

Liam Martinez
Liam Martinez

Peterson: class is an identity pls believe meeeee
Shut the fuck up liberal

Justin Kelly
Justin Kelly

Hail Stellin

Chase Young
Chase Young

That's exactly a non-Marxist gesture par excellence.
Thank you so much.

Hunter Watson
Hunter Watson

PETERSON IS STUMBLIN' AND MUMBLIN'

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Carter Powell
Carter Powell

STOP STOP HE IS ALREADY DEAD

Jack Price
Jack Price

Hail Stellin

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

Peterson is way out of his league here

Aiden Fisher
Aiden Fisher

Honestly I wish all the Peterson fanboys watched this, I think those that didn't will still defend him till death.

Jace Perez
Jace Perez

Okay he knows nothing about Marx OR Foucault

Kayden Evans
Kayden Evans

deng gang

Isaac Adams
Isaac Adams

That's called sarcasm in English genius.

James Peterson
James Peterson

Props to Zizek for calling him out for the Neomarxist/post-modernist/kartural marx shit he buys into

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Jack Lee
Jack Lee

Hoil Stellin

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

uum well uuh uum well

Brody Nguyen
Brody Nguyen

HE HAS A FAMBLY

Adam Kelly
Adam Kelly

Zizek already said "Trump is the ultimate postmodern president" and made his whole reference to Hitler being the best Pokemon GO player of all time ………………

Dominic Baker
Dominic Baker

MUH GROUPS HAVE CONFLICT= COMMUNISM

Jayden Miller
Jayden Miller

WHERE ARE THE MARXISTS JORDAN

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James Watson
James Watson

holy fuck a TCR reference

Hudson Hernandez
Hudson Hernandez

user WHO IS AT THE TALK

TOWARDS THE END

SHOUT "STALIN DID NOTHING WRONG"

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Nathaniel Howard
Nathaniel Howard

Hitler being the best Pokemon GO player of all time

wut

Luke Perry
Luke Perry

He keeps on trying to label Marxism as moralistic

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Christian Morales
Christian Morales

no, fgt. That's categorical distinction.

Cameron Gray
Cameron Gray

zizek doing the no true marxist dodge
weak

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis

If you don't do this you're a pussy

Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

swzhart pete keeps going on about morals

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

He is so fucked, how could he not prepare for this at all?

Colton Mitchell
Colton Mitchell

LMAOOO HE'S STUMBLING

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Brandon Long
Brandon Long

you're fucking insane if you think metoo or shit like that has ANYTHING to do with marxism.

Cooper Ortiz
Cooper Ortiz

Oh god Peterson is so dumb

Xavier Jenkins
Xavier Jenkins

L O O K I S M
O
O
K
I
S
M

John Collins
John Collins

How can anyone take him seriously?

Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson

IT LOOKS THE SAME TO ME, UH, OPPRESSION
MORAL SUPERIORITY
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT MARX BELIEVED ABOUT EQUALITY OF OUTCOME
HIERARCHIES OF ATTRACTION ARE JUST THE SAME LIKE ECONOMIC HIERARCHIES

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Jayden Hall
Jayden Hall

SJW POSTMODERNISTS MA-MA- POSTMODERNISM - MARXISM

Eli Lee
Eli Lee

Pos-basically pos- postmodernist uhh

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

He's litteraly doing incel talking points now

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

being oppressed is engaging in idpol

Thomas Hughes
Thomas Hughes

hierarchies of attractiveness
He's dog-whistling to the incels in order to save at least some face in front of his audience.

Justin Morris
Justin Morris

uh buh buh I'm contrasting post modernists with marxism
them goalpoasts moving at lightspeed

Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

No you pedantic little reddit transplant. Marx saying he is not a Marxist in response to a retard calling himself a Marxist is sarcasm. Now fuck off.

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

These postmodern .. let's not call them Marxists ….

Jack Cook
Jack Cook

THIS THIS THIS THIS

Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

a marxism is when someone says someone is oppressed by someone else

Justin Bailey
Justin Bailey

Enjoying your own self-marginalization
my man

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

No wonder you don't get invited to lots of places
Yikes.

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Michael Morris
Michael Morris

Stalin joke

Asher Peterson
Asher Peterson

lmao he dropped it

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

HIERARCHIES OF ATTRACTIVENESS

BASED

BASED

LOOKISM ON THE MAP

TAKE THE BLACKPILL

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Asher Mitchell
Asher Mitchell

he did the stalin q&a joke
i love him

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

the host is sweating bullets

Liam Mitchell
Liam Mitchell

Honestly I wish all the Peterson fanboys watched this, I think those that didn't will still defend him till death.

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Jeremiah Lopez
Jeremiah Lopez

That's a veiled compliment.

John Hernandez
John Hernandez

yup, zizek has read capitalist realism, id be surprised if he did read more fisher

Bentley Robinson
Bentley Robinson

>Let's maybe drop it here - if you want.

CHAD ZIZEK VS VIRGIN PETERSON

Lucas Wright
Lucas Wright

MARXISTS BTFO

ZIZEK CONFIRMED FOR HEGELIAN GERMAN IDEALIST

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Gabriel Gutierrez
Gabriel Gutierrez

I would kiss both tbh

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin

The incel looks adorable. I want to cuddle with him.

Brandon Baker
Brandon Baker

link to thread?

Noah Walker
Noah Walker

yeah i agree marx is retarded
their comprehension is how you know /pol/ and reddit overlap

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Adrian Collins
Adrian Collins

le "we're both psychologists"

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

one on the right scares me, the tiles in his room are warping in all sorts of ways. Honestly give me the little baby bitch with the normal bathroom

Nathaniel Johnson
Nathaniel Johnson

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Jacob Murphy
Jacob Murphy

Fuck that, I'd suck his dick, put a finger in his bum, and tell him he's beautiful and deserves to be loved as he is.

Parker Price
Parker Price

Yeah I agree, Marx is retarded
Ah! I was wondering how they'd weasel themselves out of this.

Brandon Fisher
Brandon Fisher

Why?

Parker Martin
Parker Martin

Thread: reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/bf5xcb/jordan_peterson_vs_slavoj_žižek_live_debate/

Ryder Nguyen
Ryder Nguyen

COPE

LOOKISM AND THE BLACKPILL IS THE ABSOLUTE AND FINAL PILL

UGLY PEOPLE WILL STILL SUFFER EVEN AFTER PRODUCTION OF COMMODITIES FOR EXCHANGE IS ABOLISHED

Liam Fisher
Liam Fisher

idiot contrarianism is why we lose

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Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

That video is the ultimate critique of incel ideology.

Owen Howard
Owen Howard

racism isn't based on classism you reductionist, racists are just lookist (they think blacks are really ugly)

Angel Ramirez
Angel Ramirez

So where were the marxists again?

Dylan Cruz
Dylan Cruz

I love professor Zizek congratulating student Peterson on his "accidental" insights ("Happiness as Grace"). Cute!

Jaxon Peterson
Jaxon Peterson

Ach im like a 7/10 normie, the radical centrists of the incel world

Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

Nice try, ugly people won't exist under socialism

Oliver Green
Oliver Green

i don't want to kiss the reality warping chad

Noah Evans
Noah Evans

ok, and?

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

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Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart

something something neomarxism

Landon James
Landon James

peterson CHUGGING water

Blake Butler
Blake Butler

Am I alone or is it transcendent how obvious it is that Peterson is self-aware how out of his depth he is?

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Kevin White
Kevin White

every person is beautiful without the chains

Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

I wanna fuck him tbh

Leo Hill
Leo Hill

i mostly see ugly people in relationships

Jayden James
Jayden James

<peterson just trust your inner feelings lol

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

Its like tryna fuck dr strange

Camden Garcia
Camden Garcia

fragile cranky voice is his natural voice

Ethan Miller
Ethan Miller

That's actually how it looks. A student consulting his professor.

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Luke Wood
Luke Wood

I can't wait for the day that Richard Wolff gets to debate Jordan Peterson. I think he would get s h r e d d e d

David Murphy
David Murphy

But everyone wants to fuck both?

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

tHaT's WhY cUpId HaS ArRoWs

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

Judo Christian legacy
These preacher flippin niggas off they altars n sheeit.

Jeremiah Myers
Jeremiah Myers

What the fuck that was supposed to mean?

Aiden Long
Aiden Long

He's acting like a freshman listening to the hot young philosophy professor.

Nathan Wood
Nathan Wood

i want to see them kiss, marry and live a happy life together

Isaac Rodriguez
Isaac Rodriguez

love hurts and fucks you up, probably

Jack Rodriguez
Jack Rodriguez

I would still love the incel

WRONG

1 OUT OF 4 AMERICAN MALES ARE INCELS

COMMUNISM OFFERS NOTHING FOR THEM

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Ryder Long
Ryder Long

I'm also glad that he's not donating his money like Zizek is, a real man keeps the money he earns not donate it for virtue signalling points

Reading the JBP sub is always such a treat.

Henry Johnson
Henry Johnson

I think this debate sucks and zizek did a terrible job pushing back on Peterson strawmen. It was boring as fuck because both literally agreed on everything and the only thing it will be remembered for is zizek telling Peterson how dumb his analysis of postmodernism is which everyone including a million retarded breadtube liberals have already done

Keep acting like this is some grand event though it's literally less important than Foucault vs Chomsky and that's saying something considering how banal that debate is

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Owen Jones
Owen Jones

dude i'm watching a debate don't give me fapbait

Logan Harris
Logan Harris

Zizek is doing his take on Christianity
I can fucking die happy dude.

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Charles Anderson
Charles Anderson

the whole point at least for zizek was to try to get some peterson fags to wake up

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

[CITATION NEEDED]

Ryder Johnson
Ryder Johnson

I think nobody really expected nothing very interesting, it was mostly for the memes.

Ethan James
Ethan James

your… slogans… in your… book

Xavier Sanchez
Xavier Sanchez

have a delicious dasha

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Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

It was a meme from the begining

Jordan Johnson
Jordan Johnson

you're right, but what you said is literally what everyone said from the moment it was announced

There is still one way to redeem it all…

Nathan Cruz
Nathan Cruz

Zizek references reading Peterson even though Peterson at most tried to read the Manifesto

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Benjamin Wilson
Benjamin Wilson

Both these guys are cute you retard.

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Evan Cook
Evan Cook

CALLED OUT

Jose Rivera
Jose Rivera

you will never lick her feet

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Logan Long
Logan Long

ZIZEK DID THE HULK HOGAN FINGER POINT

YOUUUUU

Elijah Anderson
Elijah Anderson

dubs confirm its shit, pure shit

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Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

Is that Adam's wife? Is he ok with her pictures being posted to the internet like this?

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

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Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

absolute garbage, burning my copy of the parallax view rn

John Sullivan
John Sullivan

CLEAN YOUR SOCIETY

Gavin Phillips
Gavin Phillips

"I will give you the ultimate example, YOURSELF!"
Peterson BTFO

Leo Ross
Leo Ross

So where are those Marxist names, I'm still waiting.

Michael Sanchez
Michael Sanchez

but the guy on the left is actually attractive and cute lol

Noah Garcia
Noah Garcia

HOMOSEX COPE ISN'T TRUE ATTRACTION

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

ask the bug

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

Who’s wining?

Austin Mitchell
Austin Mitchell

Dasha doesn't give a shit lol she's poster her tits on IG before I'm pretty sure

Dominic Baker
Dominic Baker

ziz

Jordan Ward
Jordan Ward

Its important because of memes

William Perry
William Perry

you can help me if i stray…..
<3

Caleb Turner
Caleb Turner

Zizek.
Peterson called him attractive and moral.

Juan Taylor
Juan Taylor

see YOU CAN'T SOLVE INCELDOOM AND LOOKISM WITH HOMOSEX COPE

Connor Thomas
Connor Thomas

who is this semen demon?

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

YOU HAVE UNFAIRLY TASKED ME
waaaaaaaah
what a fucking baby

Camden Flores
Camden Flores

THE QUESTIONER HAS BECOME THE QUESTIONED

Grayson Morris
Grayson Morris

IT'S A VERY SHORT BOOK

LMAO

Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

The event exceeded my expectations, and I already expected it to be a decent enough Zizek talk.
It might have overturned my whole understanding of how you should engage with the right.

Gavin Russell
Gavin Russell

Hahaha okay sweaty, don't be mad because I want to fuck them, be mad because the people who aren't present can't be asked their opinion.

Ayden Thomas
Ayden Thomas

but he is cute, I'm sorry man but that guy wouldn't be an incel
call of duty guy is a candidate, not him

Justin Parker
Justin Parker

Peterson grappling with this is amazing tbh

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

Peterson called him attractive

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Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

guy on the right will do way better, deal with it

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Adrian Miller
Adrian Miller

It's a very short book

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

youtube.com/watch?v=THUFzmmKMPs

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

I've never seen so gentle a mauling as what Zizek is giving him right now

Camden Morris
Camden Morris

ALL THE THINGS YOU SAID RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD RUNNING THROUGH MY HEAD

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

but he is cute
If your a masculine gay guy looking for twinks, sure. But not for women.

Cameron Barnes
Cameron Barnes

Now this is gonna get complicated!
banal

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Asher Howard
Asher Howard

Peterson literally stalling for time
muh clinical literature
I am smart

Camden Turner
Camden Turner

Guy on the right looks older and more buff, the one on the left looks younger.
CAN WE NOW STOP WITH THIS SHIT AND STICK TO THE SHIT RELATED TO THIS MEME DEBATE

Liam Lewis
Liam Lewis

i thought he was gonna cry

Camden Allen
Camden Allen

hey guys r-remember im a psyc