Proletarian Panopticism

Are you the same alcoholic trot from the Cuba thread who never offers substantive critiques and just calls things “dumb”?

Of course, but there is no need to fear surveillance if you have done nothing wrong. This system functions within the limits of rigorous proletarian democracy, by no means is there on one hand the party with all the power and the people abjectly dependent on them. The party and the people are one and the same. The whole point of using surveillance to inculcate proper behavior conductive to socialism is to ensure the automatic functioning of power. With the panoptic effect the vast majority of people will go through the motions automatically, there is no need for repressive force except as when circumstances call for it.
Thank you user, no offense taken at all.

is not trying to be rude but this has to be dialectic. I will be >>2827306's antithesis (I know thesis-antithesis-synthesis is a misrepresentation, but still) get off Zig Forums and think about what you said. We need a system you describe if the workers do not have control but are controlled. Then only will they revolt.

I do not advocate for slavery, as you would know if you took the time to read this thread and my responses. Quite the opposite. Such a knee-jerk reaction is at first natural, until you critically think of the wonderful opportunities this apparatus would provide for the construction of socialism. I was taken-aback at first when I first discovered this concept, but now I am beginning to regard it is as completely necessary and indeed beneficial.
Accusing me of fascism is yet another kneejerk reaction. I have over a year of activity on Zig Forums and moderation, if so inclined, could easily attest to my frequent activity on this board.
I disagree. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the proletariat organized as the ruling class. The ruling class shall wield the power of the panopticon. Not collectively of course.
There has never been a society constructed how I envision.
I have never advocated for theocracy. Perhaps you read into my metaphor of “semblance of God” too much

So sick of this, is it you every time? You twat.

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It is an apparatus to ensure proletarian hegemony, ideology and the rapid building of the new socialist human.
Indeed. In the Foundations of Leninism Stalin talks of the DoTP waging ruthless war against reaction and counterrevolution. The party is like the general staff of an army. Troops need whipped into the shape, the socialist man molded meticulously away from his bourgeois habits and character. The Eye will accomplish both tasks. I only wish I could see it in action on a grand scale

Let me break it down, I don't imply I will be correct but I want to hear your arguments against it.

1. The revolution was waged because we had mass support.
2. We establish DoTP not as a separate class above the proletariat (and peasants) but as THE proletariat themselves.
3. The system is socialism. This is DoTP so this has to work.
4. Proletarian form the majority. The system works for them. This is true democracy. Masses are in control.
5. Counterrevolution why? And even if the counter-revolution is not proletarian in nature, how big then do you think it would be? The proles will take care of it themselves.

As the system changes, wouldn't the stripping away of bourgeois habits and character follow naturally?

I think this proletarian panopticism, even if assumed to be necessary, is just a talk of tactics (short-term solutions roughly). If we are successful in establishing DoTP in the truest sense of that, in conclusion, this tactic becomes useless.

I want to add that this would be violent of course and that they'd take care of counter revolutions because they are opposed to their interests (and they've established DoTP because they have recognised their interests, full class-consciousness).

Also checkout the Maoist concept of cultural revolution, it takes care of the same thing (revolt, counterrev) but is more democratic. The masses wage that themselves, do not need a surveillance system.

Ideally. One cannot, especially in the first world, underestimate the power of false-consciousness and the millions of exploiters, their families and all sorts of assorted reactionaries (the religious, etc). But for a revolution to succeed you will need at least a good percentage of the politically active population.
Of course. The DoTP can never become a “separate class” so long as it does not exploit the proletariat through owning the means of production – no one in any bureacracy can “own” the MoP, just as how the conductor of an orchestra does not own the instruments.
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The DoTP is for the consolidation of socialism and fighting against threats to socialism, from both within and without. I don’t know why there would be a counterrevolution in this scenario, but it is not impossible as history shows. The Russian Civil War was not all landlords and former Tsarist officials fighting against workers and peasants. False consciousness exists. Bourgeois and feudal ideology is not to be underestimated – which is why it must be smashed. In a counterrevolution the DoTP and the working people (as one) would counter the counterrevolution.
One would expect, but vulgar materialism is unmarxist. Both Hoxha and Pol Pot recognized the need to fight bourgeois habits, character and ideology as a fundamental part of the construction of socialism.
This tactic would not be permanent, all of this discussion centers around the lower phase of socialism (provided we don’t jumpt straight into Pol Pot-ist barracks communism)

Yuck

Such a common theme on this board. So many retards driven by moralism and knee-jerk reactions. You will sacrifice the end goal in pursuit of a “comfortable” route to socialism. Meanwhile, I look to the glorious future and propose we march forward, never stopping in our way, cutting down and marching over any obstacle in our method, not barring any method, no matter how “totalitarian”, how “brutal”, no matter how many “human rights” must be trampeled upon, because I know the ends justify the means.

I’m sad that I cannot find the quote, but either Pol Pot or another said something the effect of that no matter how many died, socialism could be built in Kampuchea with those who remained. This holds true for the Earth as well