Same here. Plus I have a shit brain along with concentration problem (even fail captchas so there's that. I have only read relevant segments of his work tbh and summaries by various comrades online.
His short videos you can see (he takes lots of long pauses and is a little slow so you can skip using 'L' key or play the video at x1.25) which are relevant to your question: 1. Why labor theory of value is right (15:12) > Explains the empirical evidence for the labour theory of value, youtube.com/watch?v=emnYMfjYh1Q 2. Going beyong money (26:28) > Explains Marx's idea for the use of labour certificates in a communist system, youtube.com/watch?v=cI01-5zhwdA 3. Getting down to details of communism (25:52) > Looks at how a labor credit economy would actually work, youtube.com/watch?v=kTl4b0w6mpk
Colton Cooper
I'm actually not the user you quoted, but I sperged out cause I thought it was a good question. Thanks comrade, I'll check this stuff out.
Evan Myers
Damn, didn't notice. But no problem comrade, am glad to be of help! If you want to begin with his work, you might want to go through Marx's marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/index.htm (Critique of the Gotha Programme) first. There afaik he discusses the concepts of labor vouchers somewhere, run a search through it
I currently don't have a source but iirc labor vouchers have been used before and to cancel them out of circulation there were if you guessed paper punching machines before modern tech.
For a quick summary of how labor vouchers would work IRL think of how credit card and debit cards work – we will utilize this tech ofco.
There have been Cockshott threads before but here is a vulgar rundown for you: 1. Say I work for 8 hours (socially-necessary labour time (SNLT), remember, do not bring mud pie argument) 2. I get 8 (hours worth) labour vouchers. 3. Labour vouchers can only be used once. 4. So they do not circulate like money does. 5. Also to prevent further hoarding, they expire after a certain time. Plus, there is no transfer of vouchers. They are bound to you only, cannot give it to your friend. 6. Also this is done all electronically now that we can utilize the technology of credit cards and debit card and internet banking. 7. Say a chair takes 2 SNLT to in total manufacture, transport, deliver, etc. So I can use 2 vouchers to buy a chair from a local warehouse. 8. If my job is harder, the society decides the multiplier of how many vouchers I get. For example for a wood worker this multiplier could be x1 and for a doctor x2, so for working 8 hours, the former gets 8 LV and the latter gets 16. 9. Also remember that students while their study get LV too because their time spent studying is SNLT. So doctors, engineers, philosophers all are paid (not out of obligation/favour of the state, but what they actually DESERVE, they are producing value while they study). 10. For products which practically require no SNLT for production, they become free. 11. Plus, a planned economy, so full democratization and production is for consumption not profit so there is no wastage or middle-man. 12. There would be, by the nature of socialist society itself, full employment as more number of people into jobs, the less amount of SNLT to create products so working hours reduce for everyone as well as the costs. The same happens as we do more automation. 13. Notice how in capitalism there has to exist unemployment but not here.
So this is really the system that works for everyone.
If a learned comrade can correct me please do.
Juan Hill
Plus now I get the full fruits of my labor. This explanation seems problematic but you get the idea.
Jaxon Kelly
first drink drano
Owen Gray
You don't though, taxes get taken out so infrastructure can be maintained and people who can't work get taken care of
Nicholas Cooper
Thanks for the correction!
I have reading to do tbh ;p Is there any other correction in my summary? Can I at least say, ofco, that I get more fruits of my labour than I did under capitalism, no?
Jayden Miller
considering I now don't consider taxes to be theft because now I pay taxes out of the consideration and compassion for my comrades who may be less able due to whatever reason, infrastructure, etc.
