Hey, I think we should have a centralised depression/doomer/whatever you want to call it thread so as not to spam the others. I think that would help us depressed anons vent, maybe?
I also wanted to thank the people in the 'blackpill' thread for trying to encourage me a while back but once I sleep I usually don't feel the same way about the things I was worried out (or at least am able to suppress them) and I just want to hide the embarrassing evidence of my depression and not look at it and be reminded.
Anyway, feeling pretty blue right now, got really angry and wishing I could strangle our oppressors but now just feeling more sad that things seem to be continuing to get worse.
Anyway maybe venting will help other people feel better too, pls don't anchor mods since I want to use this for containment.
I think this post fits /leftyb/ better, no offense.
Cooper Jones
Stop using the Internet, shitholes like this are awful for your mental health. Unplug, try to relax, do something not related to angry schizos
Ryder Hernandez
It's not exactly the most popular place on the site though is it. Enforcing strict topic rules just kills the traffic anyways.
Like what? Not like I have anything better to do. Any creative thing I try just gets me even more mad and upset because it doesn't turn out like I want.
Landon Ross
I know this place it's an echochamber but i seriously recluse myself here for most of the day, my family it's fucking oblivious and i have no other interaction. Maybe i will get tired of this place at some point and evolve to either go to /marx/ and have 1000 i.q debates or just leave imageboards in general.
Ryan Butler
Yeah, I'm not on here most of the day but at least a few hours, otherwise just videogames mostly. I dunno why really, it's just, something to kill time?
Even if I didn't have a place to vent my anger at the world I would still have it and just bottle it up more so I don't think it would really help me.
Connor Jackson
Please make the step I did and read or learn a language to fill those few hours. There is nothing on any imageboard that would make spending hours of time a day browsing it worthwhile, especially not a board that has fallen as far as Zig Forums has.
Colton Walker
I do have a ton of books I never got round to reading… I guess sitting at the computer just becomes a habit, and reading books on politics requires marginally more mental energy than this. I think I might try to take that suggestion on board though.
Connor Wood
It is a habit but it can be broken and replaced with better ones. I'm not telling you to stop talking to people on the internet, God knows it's the only thing that's kept me sane all these years. But endlessly browsing imageboards all day is poison for your health and intellect.
Brody James
Why do you hate fun? Browsing imageboards is FUN. You wouldn't want to stop people from having FUN would you?
Levi Powell
any advice for those with ADHD? Pretty hard to get to read even more than a few pages sometimes. Fuck concentration.
Jason Wood
This seems like a good place to discuss the weird feelings I've been experiencing lately when contemplating the state of the world. It's not a depression in any sense of the term, in fact its more of a kind of pure, exhilarating terror. There are times when I find myself being gripped by it, particularly when thinking about climate change and the coming collapse of industrial civilization. I'll end up getting a kind of thousand yard stare, staring at nothing for a few minutes or so, and feeling utterly terrified, but at the same time completely fucking wired, intensely aware and completely focused on the grim reality of the world's situation. I picture everything that's going to happen, the wars, bloodshed, riots, the rising fascism, mass migration, famines, floods, fires, hurricanes, nuclear exchanges. It's gotten worse over the past few months, and I've found it gets particularly strong if I ever find myself alone with my thoughts whilst strung out on something (weed, alcohol, etc.) At the same time, despite the terror, I also feel myself gripped with intense anger, and the whole combination of emotions almost becomes enjoyable. Has anybody else experienced something similar?
Well first off you should probably start taking your meds instead of throwing them down the toilet. They help you concentrate.
Austin Williams
Clean your room and wash your penis buckos.
Asher Ross
Objectively false.
The rational thing to do would be to analyse the procedure you have conducted and figure out why your procedure has not accomplished whatever was your intended outcome, and to determine whether your intended outcome was too ambitious and requires scaling back until you have attained the necessary skills to achieve the previous intended outcome.
The irrational thing to do would be to whine on the internet and be too lazy to input the labour that is required to achieve an outcome.
Brandon Johnson
Read a book, do some basic exercises, go for a walk if its not freezing cold, idk man. People lived for millennia without this shit and were likely happier
James Barnes
Very much, I can relate. Hard to sleep sometimes. And the apathy I see around in my family and friends: it is disheartening to say the least. Reading news fuels this but I can't help but read it anyway – if I don't then I fear I might become apathetic myself. With both capitalist (followed by fascism) and the environmental crisis it is causing looming over our heads, it makes depression worse.
Jaxson Evans
I don't even read the news anymore
Doesn't hurt there's not a single decent outlet left here anymore (UK)
If humans were rational then we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now would we? If people could directly control their minds and react perfectly rationally to simuli then we would have a utopia already.
That's the problem with humans though, once you have something you can't give that luxury up, it becomes the new baseline. And once you achieve some new thing, that becomes a baseline too and you become anxious that you can't go even further. I think one of the most difficult things for me is that Robin Williams committed suicide, I didn't even follow him as an actor but he was rich, famous, generally beloved, had kids, and basically had enough wealth to put his energy towards anything he wanted. Yet he still couldn't see any point in continuing with life. If someone in that situation still feels miserable then nothing I could achieve in my own life will actually make me truly happy.
Are you talking about free will? I have read many times online that Marx left room in Marxism on the question of free will. What do other comrades think about this? Like look at this quote:
Ever since discovering Marxism, news has become a lot more cringey (not that it wasn't, but that i can recognize and criticize cringe).
John Martinez
He's literally going for a centrist take there, "we do as we please but also only with the conditions we are born into"
James Johnson
I actually meant more about how our thoughts/feelings are so affected by non-rational processes, chemicals, hormones, et cetera. It's impossible for humans to be truly rational, and that probably wouldn't be a very satisfying existence anyway (not that we can even really conceptualise what that would be like).
I agree broadly with that quote but I think with modern understanding we can conclusively disprove free will (at least to a high certainty).
The best explanation of it is Sam Harris's IMO (I know he's a fedoralord crypto-fascist who should stick to neurology and not politics but I agree with him on this); he takes 1hr~ish to explain it but basically it boils down to - all man's decisions are made through his past experiences, ie. nurture, and his biological wiring, ie. nature. So there is no room at all for free will - humans can only react to stimuli, the illusion of free will is just that, an illusion. Of course, we can't live our lives completely this way otherwise the world wouldn't work, but we should at least be conscious of it on some level.
Parker Wood
Oh, and the fact we now know about quantum randomness only adds another (incredibly rare) factor of non-choice to it, we can't control quantum fluctuations any more than our biology.
Matthew Jackson
There is always a way out, far predating capitalism. Breaking the cycle of desire is not only possible but essential to prepare the mind for utter revolutionary chaos. Rampant marketing and brainwashing campaigns keep feeding our compulsions, habits and entitlements, making us more and more mentally addicted unless we're strong enough to refuse the allure, consuming the products of capitalism merely out of temporary neccessity, ready to discard it at a moment's notice when the time comes. The revolutionary must be comfortable with the thought that everything they've gotten used to: their work, security, belongings, social life, daily routine, etc. will be severely interrupted as the mode of production begins disintegrating. When that begins, your life will be transformed despite all of your worst fears and greatest hopes until it's completely unrecognizable from what it used to be. Embrace the terror of absolute uncertainty and practice disillusionment
But isn't he right? Like when Mao says we shouldn't do acts which go ahead of the political level of the masses (like armed revolution when you haven't even rooted yourself through legal struggles and raised the political level of the masses to the point of them recognizing the need of revolution), doesn't he mean the same thing?
Lol I hope this is not liberal centrist. Liberals don't even come close to thinking that history is changed collectively not by few individuals and their ideas.
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youtube.com/watch?v=OwaXqep-bpk CosmicSkeptic – Why Free Will Doesn't Exist [13:10]. Watched this video a long back ago, and I think he agrees with Sam Harris and explains nicely too. For anyone who want to know more and avoid that Sam Harris 1 hour video. This guy, CosmicSkeptic, places himself in the bottom-left of the spectrum, so should be safer than Sam Harris to watch.
Don't have much to add to what you said, and I agree.
Apologies for sounding ignorant, but aren't these quantum fluctuations so negligible that these can be basically ignored/approximated away/have no effect on a macroscopic level? Like those of humans?
Kevin Evans
Yes, basically, but it's theoretically possible for quantum effects to make humans act in a non-causal way, which some incredibly dull commentators used as a reason why free will still exists, so it's necessary to address it IMO - it does violate causation but it doesn't make humans any more able to choose freely.
Luke Lewis
is a system where the output depends on past and current inputs but not future inputs. It that correct?
So by you mean that humans can act in a way that they can anticipate future events or causes of their actions and change their will/actions in present?
Nicholas Edwards
I gave up my phone, and I'm certainly more happy for it. Give it a shot, at least don't take it with you wherever you go. One thing about depression I know from experience, is that I would want to avoid company, especially company that made me feel better. Depression turns you in to an idiot and you have to fight against that.
Ryan Taylor
I second that. Company that made me feel better made me feel bad at the same time too. Then guilty for no specific reason.
Gave up mine too (smartphone). Now I use a basic one, those we had before smartphones (only call, SMS, other basic features). Much easier on the brain, has reduced the load.
Chase Turner
I actually don't have that problem, at least not severely, I was hanging out with my friends just earlier today and had fun with them, but when I was at home again tonight my mood just crashed anyway. I'm gonna go see them again on Weds and that probably will be fun too but it won't get rid of my personal issues, just let me forget them for a bit.
No, that would still be reacting to external stimuli anyway (I think), what I meant was that from my understanding of quantum physics, particles/electrons/whatever can just spontaneously appear or disappear or change in ways that seem to be not caused by anything, or at least not anything we can even dimly understand. So it's possible for something that doesn't seem to be caused by anything to happen inside the human brain or body and cause someone to act in a non-causal way (ie. it wouldn't be a reaction to stimuli per se but reality itself changing), or for a quantum event to change the reality around a person in an apparently uncausal way which they would then react to. As you pointed out, such events are so rare and small scale that perhaps that has never even made a difference in anything a person did, but who knows (well certainly not me).
This might sound pretentious/narcissistic but it kinda irritates me sometimes that I understand something like that in a way far beyond most 'ordinary' people do, yet under capitalism my philosophical/political understanding is essentially considered totally useless and worth nothing. Oh well… I'll probably try sleep for now.
Well it's good that you aren't inclined to ignore your friends. I locked my self in a basement and my best friend, who lived up stairs from me, heard from me only a few times a week for about half a year, and I'd go a month or so without talking to my parents. I'm better now though.
But definitely. The high of enjoying company does wear off quickly, but it's vital to keep at it, just in case you hit that same block I did. If it's personal issues, then yeah, it was the same with me, and I had to find a work around and not merely accept it, but embrace it and love it as my own. Good luck comrade.
Alexander Carter
When I am already around friends, like in school because that is necessary, I can manage to socialize. Outside of that, I don't and I can't. I don't have the urge to, neither do I feel missed out, nor do I care.
Have read about this phenomena as well, but didn't know (or understand yet) how it relates to this concept of free will. Someone (or you) might want to start a thread about it? Would make a nice discussion, I guess. Thank you for taking your time to explain it anyway!
I don't think it does. On whether all of this reading and knowing is useless, under 'the end of history' that capitalism is, it is. It doesn't give employment, does it? But most of us know it is important, nonetheless, and it's fun, enlightening, makes for interesting discussions at least. Idk what to say about this really. Have a good sleep!
Austin Torres
Related. Check this video from Vsauce if you like:
Play a sport. its one of the best choices I've made
Tyler Miller
which sport do you play? I play table tennis pretty well. Playing sports is helluva drug.
Jaxon Turner
Hahahahahahahaha holy fuck I didn’t even know there was a leftypol hahahah holy shit this is the saddest fucking thread full of sad fucks I’ve ever seen. Omg enjoy your fear and self loathing you simple minded faggots, thanks for the sad laughter.
I honestly hope a lot of you just kill yourself, as funny as it can be, your weak soy mentality is fucking cancer.
Robert Rivera
damn son leave already
Nolan Robinson
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Aaron Gonzalez
hello
Oliver Ross
i hope your 'race' is replaced in the 'race war'
Wyatt Sullivan
Judo
Gavin Garcia
Interesting. Does it have the belt system for 'ranking' too :p? What is your color?
time to rearrange the chaos into class conciousness with our kinetic marxist powers
Blake King
Lol seeing as how every nigger or spic I’ve seen shoot sucks ass that won’t happen. And rooftop Asians will take whiteys side, Asians hate nigger faggots more than white pipo.
Elijah Hughes
asians are replacing whites as we speak
Cameron Reed
wut? we are?
gib proofz
Hunter Harris
idk i saw some shit about how latinos and blacks actually have fewer babies, whites are next to the ones who have more but the ones who breed their sweet seed the most are asians
Wyatt Smith
How does one race replace another without extermination? Lol go look at some demographic maps and some statistics. White people still have the numbers, and get along great with asians. Again, Asians hate and fear niggers.
Justin Roberts
asians use niggers like jews use them against whites, in the race.war asians and jews will be in blimps while blacks explode with anger powers against whites
Juan Wood
Isn't that the whole logic of the great replacement?
What? Are you retarded? Asians are self reliant and have achieved a lot on their own. Every Asian I know from every different decent makes nigger jokes. Only Jews have used the nigger. And let me tell you, their big “scawy anger” isn’t going to phase us at all. They can’t shoot, they can’t use team work, they average the Autism Level of 90-100 and almost all of them are untrained. They are also only 13% of the population, while whites are 50% +, most grew up shooting, millions more fought in the Jew wars. The Nazi masturbation fantasy would be a cleansing of niggers and Muslims from the Asian and white front.
Henry Rivera
was actually meant as a response to
Elijah Bennett
the jew wars were nothing compared to the antarctic socialist revolutions
mmm, a jellyfish is only 3% mass but it looks like it is really big so it looks like half of its own size
Hudson Myers
Wew lad, most white reactionaries in the US are scared shitless of blacks. It's rare for them to have a dense web of pseudo-ideological autism like Zig Forums does, usually they just bitch and moan about how Black Crime™ is the most pressing issue in their lives, even though it's even rarer for them to live near the ghetto lumpens. Talk to them in real life and they'll tell you that not only are blacks organized, they are already preparing for their end of the race-war.
James Williams
Robin williams got diagnosed with a chronic (degenerative?) disease. He killed homself for quite rational reasons. He did have problems but thats besides the point
Isaac James
Kill yourself, and go free.
Lucas Cox
Does Airsoft qualify as a sport? That's the only one that looks fun to me (shame about the cost)
It just sucks when you have clinical/biological depression cause sometimes what's actually happening or what you do doesn't really matter, you'll feel terrible off some random trigger anyway. But I feel fine right now so thank you for your support.
I would post a nice pic too but my image folder is totally unorganised and has 1000s of pics.
Bentley Diaz
guys i hear a loving relationship with a significant other helps All my friends with relationships tell me about it all the time
Jordan Morris
you looking?
Colton Diaz
how to "cure" depression, or, at least, what worked for me: 1. sleep 2. exercise 3. hi-lipid diet 4. realizing that shitty feels does not a shitty life make 5. antidepressants —–experimental line—— 6. more antidepressants 7. ritalin 8. electroconvulsive shock therapy 9. death
Oliver Turner
Death worked for you?
Aaron Lee
wow very good tips i never thought of sleeping and exercising
Try leftyb? Or, perhaps if you post your discord in here or in /trash/ someone will add it.
Benjamin Rogers
Ah man I wanna live in a town like the 1st pic shame there's nothing like that on the East Coast US. I need to visit the Alps someday.
Adam Carter
What state you in?
Better be in New England
Joshua Williams
Yeah I would say so, really bi and it depends on the connectivity i feel.
Bentley Nelson
Well i sent you an email yesterday if you want to talk
Camden Butler
"cure" indeed
Kevin Carter
Oh boy, I'm really feeling it tonight. What's the fecking point in any of this when the working classes are too blind, reactionary, and pig ignorant to do anything to help themselves?
Oh, and my phone SD card died so I don't even have any reaction images to post. Oh nvm, I guess it's just my music then.
Also I'm stressed because I need to get birthday presents for some people but I've left it too late for online and I don't know what to get them anyway. I hate buying presents a lot. Actually I pretty much hate doing anything in general. Pretty sure I'm just gonna away to nothingness in this room.
Honestly sorry fam. I also really feel bad that somehow you want to or feel obligated to get someone presents but don't know what to get? Like you don't know their taste or feel like they don't need anything? I suggest a book, a nice pen (maybe with a knife or laser pointer or something), a sick animal skull, or a unique-artisan mug or cup.
Justin Sullivan
Read Spinoza, you'll thank me later. Don't fall for memes like Heidegger.
Christopher Martinez
Read Emil Cioran, his writing on Pessimism helped a lot with my depression
Aaron Rogers
Why are all yall faggots depressed. Smash your fucking phone and PC and get the fuck out. Agitate, educate, organize. Western motherfucking bitches.
