Hello, I'm a Trotskyist and proud DUES-PAYING member of the International Socialist, and I'm interested in having a bit of a discussion with leftypol about my organization and what we believe and why I believe you join my comrades in the struggle for social change and economic liberation.
Hello, I'm a Trotskyist and proud DUES-PAYING member of the International Socialist...
Christian Harris
Carson Taylor
I would recommend that you all read our organization's periodical, Socialist Worker.
We are a very professional organization, we seek to create professional activists who will work full time as cadres to spread the good word of socialism (and in our case, Trotsky and Lenin) to the working class.
Eli Watson
As Trotskyists, we strongly believe in the role of the vanguard party to spread political knowledge to the masses, and we believe that we are the most political knowledgeable of various leftists groups.
Nathaniel Rogers
are you also a proud dues-paying member of Scientology?
Hunter Cruz
Look, if you are such a dumb cunt that you insist on being a Trot, you could at least read this:
wsws.org
wsws.org
wsws.org
wsws are Trots too so they're safe! no scary stalinism!
Jackson Davis
I think that's a little offensive and flippant, we are a democratic organization. Our dues go to paying full time staff in Chicago to conduct various operations in support of the organization.
We have a very large presence on the intellectual bases in America, the universities. For example, our branch at OSU has over 30 dues paying members.
Michael White
WSWS is a sectarian and inflammatory publication which seeks to smear ISO.
Kevin Ward
fuck off cultist. Read a fucking book instead of believing whatever your cult leaders say.
Jack Thomas
ISO has never supported American elements in Syria, we simply wish to support the Syrian people in their struggle against the Assad. No bombs, No Assad is our motto.
Here's a though for you, imagine you are the opposition in Syria and Libya in 2011, considering whether or not to push for further escalation of the protests. You would need all the support you could get from progressives in America, wouldn't you?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Elijah Jones
I have read many books, the ISO actually has their own fundraising arm known as Haymarket Books.
Christopher Rodriguez
PUBLISHING arm I should say
Benjamin Rodriguez
lol this reads like a parody.
Connor Torres
Fuck off Cliffite.
Ryder Stewart
read THESE books:
Henry Williams
Why was this banworthy?
Luis Allen
wait a sec, did this trot actually think Assad is an organization or something? and not a person? what the fuck
Justin Reed
cus BO
Bentley Long
Oh, never mind. Missed the imperialist apologia at the end.
Charles Harris
One of the craziest incidents I remember with the ISO was over Jimmy Dore. The ISO had chosen to endorse the US Green Party in the 2018 midterms. However, after seeing Jimmy Dore present at one of the Green Party's rallies, the ISO immediately revoked its endorsement in outrage. Why? Because Jimmy Dore believes that April 2017/2018 gas attacks in Syria were not ordered by Assad, which implicates him in "Islamophobia" and "apologia for a brutal dictator". Jimmy said absolutely nothing about Assad or Syria at the rally btw, it was just guilt by association with an earlier video.
Nathaniel Walker
Trotskyism is nothing if not a refusal to learn from historical experiences, and investigating them sobely and thoroughly with planned economy and bases itself on liberal slander of 20th century socialist experiments. Prove me wrong.
Not even an ML by the way. Just a guy who refuses to distance himself from historical experience.
Levi Barnes
What are you even trying to say here? Trotskyism and its analogues are pretty much the only ones to seriously take a look at 20th century socialism and identify its strengths and weaknesses. Vs. modern day ML, which is basically "Stalin did literally nothing wrong, everything bad in the USSR was thanks to evil revisionists" without explaining how those revisionists were able to come to power in the first place.
Carson Smith
I'm not sure how you can 'investigate historical experience' with planned economy. And claiming 'trotskyism doesn't learn from historical experience' rings pretty hollow when you make that assertion without presenting any reasoning not to mention evidence of it, as well as orthodox trotskyism being usually criticised for overemphasising and overanalysing historical experiences if anything.
Finally, its disingenuous to claim that trotskyism bases itself on liberal anti-communism when trotskyist analysis of 20th century socialism is fundamentally incompatible with liberal 'critiques' and always refutes them. This post reeks of never having read a word of trotsky.
Anthony Lopez
Unironically the differences between Trotskyism and marxism-leninism are so miniscule there's no fucking reason to keep fighting over this two ideologies. If you remove the "waawaa stalin bad" and the "waaa waaa trotskyist splitter" they're practically identical.
Nowadays not supporting a socialist revolution because it's led by trots (something that could possibly happen in Argentina) would be the most retarded thing you could possibly do, ML or not.
Liam Diaz
Agree completely, although being an argentinian I must admit that trots tend to split over minuscule differences which makes me mad. However I still prefer them to everything else.
I also dislike their hatred to most socialist revolutions, I can't accept their rejecting to the Cuban revolution honestly
Asher Cook
Yes that is a massive problem most revolutionary socialists have. I suppose as of now it isn't such a big deal being sectarian and all that shit but ffs when the revolution comes we're either pragmatic or we'll lose sooner or later.
Nathan Morris
True. MLs love to shit on Trots for splitting the party at every opportunity, but they were just as bad if not worse in their day. "Party unity" only really existed in any form during the era of the Comintern. Look at this list of ML orgs back in their 70s heyday: marxists.org
Asher White
How does someone like this find their way on Zig Forums?
I've been to a few ISO meetings. They're alright I guess. Less LARPy than PSL anyway. Their stuff on Syria kinda pisses me off, but they do a good job producing and distributing literature.
They do that "progressive stack" thing at their meetings which is pretty faggy.
Luke Cook
This board is full of Juchers and St@linoids. You shouldn't expect the type of meaningful discussion you would find at a Trotskyist party meeting.
The idea of revolution people have here is "make crappy images of Lenin in MSPaint"