Infighting

The last one was Somalia rejecting the proposal for federation with Ethiopia, abandoning socialism and turning into a reactionary US aligned state, and invading Ethiopia with the ambition of creating Greater Somalia.

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yes these are things that we definetly say and is totally related to the thread topic. have you ever even interacted with socialism outside of Zig Forums strawmans? do you even understamd what this thread is about? or better yet, even know about things like the Sino-Soviet split? i doubt you even do considering your whole knowledge of communism boils down to "durr starvation muh jewish bolsheviks n sheit".
no one says "not real communism", the majority of socialists excluding leftcoms and anarchists believe that the USSR, China, etc. were socialist. i've heard more right wingers say "that wasn't real capitalism, that was crony capitalism/corporatism!" than i have seen someone genuinely say "that wasn't real communism".
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If this never happened, America wouldn't have won the Cold War.

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also it's literally what you're saying. read the thread. you have people accusing stalin of being a revisionist

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The "Official" communist club at my university is a bunch of retarded lgbtq++, liberal, bourg cunts who don't read and support antifa.
They quite literally spout off the shit you claim never gets said.
At the end of the day I suppose it's alright though because they aren't real communists.

Can you expand on the reasons for the split? Did Mao really initiate it? Why didnt the USSR consider them an equal, why wouldnt they be thrilled one of the most populous parts of the world had gone communist

literally not, you came in here spouting the "real communism hasn't been tried but needs to happen again" meme which has nothing to do with the thread. we're talking about how to avoid infighting, not some "not real communism" bullshit.
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Ismail could explain it a whole lot better over on /marx/ but i can try and give the cliff notes version.
yes, the Soviets never went out of their way to split with allies. they weren't the type of country to cut ties with socialists over petty shit.
they were thrilled. Mao wanted China to be on the same level as the USSR in terms of a communist superpower, but had always held the belief that the Soviets were constantly surpasssing them which cultivated into the fear that his country would eventually be sold out to the west (which was dumb and uncharacteristic of the Soviets, there was no reason for them to sell out China nor would they be in any position of power to just pull that off. they didn't own China).
had Mao not held any disagreements with the Soviets the split wouldn't have occured. knowing how friendly the USSR was with most countries, they would have been more than happy to retain close ties with the Chinese had they not been slandered and dropped.

How did the building of oil refineries do anything to invalidate the socialist mode of production employed in the USSR?

And if none of that had happened it's likely the USSR wouldn't have fallen and we wouldn't likely be in this mess.

i've heard this mentioned before
out of curiosity, do you have a pdf of it or something?

Not only this, but people wouldn't blame ML's for being "totalitarian dictators."

Cliques spring up easily in any government left with too much power, and tbh I'd like to see what sort of measures authoritarians would like to put into place to stop it… cause that's the number one most common thread against socialism - is that all the leaders of ML nations in the 20th century were dictators that killed millions.

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Forgot to add /s for the last sentence… before someone accuses me of being a ☭TANKIE☭ or someone that believes they were genocidal maniacs

Castro called Deng a parody of Hitler and he was right.

Kukuruznik made relations far worse by withdrawing advisors and genuinely ratfucking China. If they couldn't deal with simple fucking criticism from Mao, how is that Mao's fault?

i believe this is the one. it was released months after the secret speech, which was pretty much thrown out the window by that point.
archive.org/details/OnOvercomingCultIndividual/page/n7

Castro continued to call China socialist until his death so i doubt he actually meant that, assuming he actually said it in the first place.

Nationalists always managed to worm their way into Communist parties, even before NazBol was a thing. This false synthesis always falls apart and causes conflicts.

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By liberalization of the economy did Khruschev increase the inefficiencies of the planned economy which ultimately led to its failiure and the rise of petty-bourg attitudes within the party itself.

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I think Castro and Deng disliked each other (I've found other quotes which suggest as much, although I can't verify them) but that doesn't necessarily reflect on Castro's view of China.

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when you say "don't read and support antifa" are you saying antifascism is bad or they don't support antifascism? Also wtf did you expect from a university club, if its a public uni they usually have tight controls on club activity, if its private obviously it's going to be rich kids.

Mao did nothing wrong.

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cultural revolution was useless and only hurt socialism in China, same way Stalin's purges ended up weakening the red army.

Proof?

Except Stalin's purges were necessary, as was the cultural revolution.

No. Obviously there were politically unreliable elements in the armed forces, but they weren't the ones who ended up targeted in the purges. Hence the likes of Andrey Vlasov emerging unscathed while three of the first five Marshals of the Soviet Union (selected only a few years prior) ended up shot on the basis of fabrications and were rehabilitated after Stalin's death.

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Lmao. Maybe purging ex-Tsarist officers was a good idea, but there wouldn’t have been any danger of militant anti-Stalin activity if he hadn’t thrown proletarian democracy out the window in 1927.

*militant anti Stalin activity from within the party.

Stop autism like socialism in one country for one.

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thick brown ass is the a much better development of marxist theory than socialism in one country

Stalin's purges were heads-on-pants retarded. Sure maybe the few remaining Tsarist officers (if there were any serious right-wingers left in the fucking 30s mind you) deserved it, but the purges ended up killing mostly genuine Marxists and benefited nationalists and opportunists. It was the complete opposite of a cultural revolution.

I'm German and Stalin killed half of my party during their diaspora in the 30s, including most honest and genuine Marxist revolutionaries and theorists, and left a clique in power that would later fuck the DDR in such a way that it would collapse in 1989. Stalin didn't even bother to get Thälmann released who got a literal Ramsay Bolton treatment in the concentration camp (got his teeth knocked out and his toes cut off) because he was grooming Ulbricht, Thälmann's internal rival. This was later justified as legitimate paranoia during the German invasion, but actually the opposite was true, as the ones who actually were German nationalists were left in charge, because these purges happened in the 30s before there even was an invasion.

I used to be hardcore ML and would defend the purges but once you read up on them, from a Marxist perspective, there is nothing to justify it. Maybe Stalin wasn't personally responsible, maybe some of the Old Bolsheviks were guilty as charged, it doesn't change the fact that the purges were retarded.

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The Cultural Revolution is unironicaly a good thing that should not only be praised but replicated.
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a lot is/was driven by this incorrect obsession of one's version of ML being the scientificially true version. If you actually think you have some scientifically and philosophically true political system then you make enemies of anyone who differs. In reality this is completely stupid, and there is no eternal science of true Marxism and you should just keep alliances with people/countries who have good left values even if they express them differently.

After reading cold war history Mao was a utter retard who wanted nuclear war with USA and decade later made agreements with them because muh revisionism in Soviet Union.

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well infighting isnt doing real life shit any good but leftypolyps are just larpers that post mspaint pictures and screencaps of fat people so there isnt any infighting because of absolutely no fighting

By abolishing national states.