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William Edwards
William Edwards

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who is the most Zig Forums faction?

NCR:generic soldiers

Mr House: Actually she was in cyrostasis for 100 years so its ok

Yes man: Edgy route

Legion: Le edgy route for the sake of being evil

who is the most leftypol faction

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Charles Lewis
Charles Lewis

HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MANAGE TO MAKE TWO DIFERENT THREADS, WITH DIFFERENT IMAGES AND FLAGS?!
IS THIS NEXT LEVEL PHONEPOSTING, OR ARE YOU JUST FLOODING?

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Liam Miller
Liam Miller

I'm just retarded

Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams

NCR are the dialectical choice: ironically for Caesar.

Luke Nguyen
Luke Nguyen

Followers of the Apocalypse are do-gooders bringing free healthcare to the wasteland, so they're the Bernie/redditor wing of this place.

Gun Runners are literally a co-op that exists to arm the average citizen. They're the socialist for real and not on paper.

NCR
Colonialism/Imperialism.
Mr. House
Elon reddit epic bacon Musk
Yes Man
This is a wild card because it's leaving it up to the player character. And Yes Man implies he will be giving himself more freedom so it's possible the outcome is more of a robot overlord since Yes Man is in charge of all the systems.
Legion
Caesar is a ☭TANKIE☭, complete with basic bitch misunderstanding of dialectics: youtube.com/watch?v=NyeTaXv6o4Y&t=1m15s
The hilarious thing is that if you google "Hegelian Dialectics" you get the subheading on the wiki article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic which coincidentally has a point-by-point explanation of why everything he says is wrong.

Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell

Caesar is a ☭TANKIE☭

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Jason Rodriguez
Jason Rodriguez

Well if we are adhering artistically to the Marxist progression of history, then Caesar, but if we are taking the lore of the game at face value then its either Mr. House or the NCR. Caesar is the classic histmat choice, since the Legion is a slave society emerging out of a tribal one, which in turn gives rise to feudalism, etc. However the lore of the game clearly doesn't follow the progression of history, and you have the NCR and Mr. House building viable capitalist societies out of literally nothing, which I suppose makes some sense for Mr. House since he himself is from a capitalist era and has a massive storehouse of capitalist level technology. Mr. House would probably be the best choice, since like the NCR he appears to have successfully built a capitalist society which will pave the way for socialism, but he also has better technology and greater plans for developing the means of production than they do.

Ian Murphy
Ian Murphy

From a historical materialist perspective, the Fallout universe has no (unified) mode of production which I'd chalk up to bad writing and world design than something actually makes sense in-universe. The nerds over at Obsidian and Bethesda either don't consider or don't care (as most gamers wouldn't care) that their world should show actual productive processes with all the logistics behind it. The game has armies, factions, commerce etc. but is very lacking in mines, mills, farms, factories etc. and it seems that there is more scavenging still of pre-war stuff than new production.
Considering it's the fucking Mojave, the only way socialism can be developed is integrated as part of a greater territory, there is no real chance for "socialism in one desert". The more dialectical choice is probably the NCR even though I prefer playing Yes Man.

TL;DR: as much as I enjoy New Vegas, you can't make an assessment of the world that is relevant for socialism.

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Luis Morales
Luis Morales

Worst of all fallout games. All factions are shit.

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

Probably either Mr. House or the NCR because they have the most advanced technology and means of production of all the factions in fonv and would therfore be the best place to set up socialism. (it hurts so much even writing this because the NCR is basicly america and Mr. House is basicly Elon "the friendly billionaire who is gonna save us all" musk)

Josiah Peterson
Josiah Peterson

(op)
NCR
Basically modern US imperialist faction that might but probably won't get better, at best will recreate something akin to the current IRL shitshow
Mr House
He'd either turn shit to a megacorp dystopia or be an utter control freak that would pose as a god, treating humans as his snow globe collection. I guess at best he might be dengist but not likely and still not great, even if this ending leads to more technological advancement.
Yes man
Honestly I'd say this is the best choice. Vegas becomes an independent new power formed from the coalition of many united factions, and while unstable, it does hold a chance to become similarly technologically powerful as in House ending. Also Followers of the Apocalypse stick around and they are kinda anarchistic in principal
Legion
Literally just a fanatic, unjustifiable horde of zealous anprims that would crumble instantly after Caesars death.

Brandon Morgan
Brandon Morgan

Caesar knew that the only way to move forward and pushing the dialectic is being the bad guy.

Similar to how Satan despite being evil in the Bible is what caused mankind to have knowledge of good and evil.

Austin Cooper
Austin Cooper

The first two Fallouts talked about how society was moving forward. New Vegas continued this by how the Hoover Dam was needed for power and water.

In order to keep Capitalism going the NCR had to become Imperialistic.

Adrian Lewis
Adrian Lewis

Yeah the Legion is like the USSR as understood by liberals. Reading Jason's book on the Fallout games makes me think he'd consider Yes Man to be the most progressive faction.

Mr. House represents the national bourgeoisie.

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Landon Cox
Landon Cox

All of the NCR's infrastructure is back west though, they make that explicit. All you're seeing is their war machine on the march, and IIRC it's pretty much the same with Caesar's Legion (I believe they are also encroaching on New Vegas from elsewhere?). The whole point is that New Vegas itself is an oddity of the old world preserved by House, a jewel in a wasteland of primitives, House wasn't interested in expanding across Nevada so he didn't, just built his shining city on the hill.

Oliver Ramirez
Oliver Ramirez

The Legion is reactionary, the NCR is imperialist. Only the Brotherhood could be the most Zig Forums.

Elijah Williams
Elijah Williams

caesar is a ☭TANKIE☭

your brain on trotskyism

Luke Davis
Luke Davis

The Legion is a realistic choice. In case of technologic breakdown, it would be pointless to try and organize society as anything else then monarchy based on forced labour and warrior-aristocratic ruling class.

Landon Morris
Landon Morris

That is to say, Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave AND Legion.

Blake White
Blake White

Of the East or West Coast variety?

Nicholas Cox
Nicholas Cox

The west coast one is kill though.

Gavin Hall
Gavin Hall

Even the East Coast kind degraded into totalitarianism

I think the minutemen confederation, being a civilization based on largely self-managing cities with no clear hierarchies, who are only bound together by a group of amateur militiamen whose hierarchy and method of organization is ambigous at best for mutual defense, may ironically be the most Zig Forums faction in spite of the burger fetishism.

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

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Brody Stewart
Brody Stewart

Brotherhood of steel.

They're the only one that entirely resides in bunkers.

Adrian Stewart
Adrian Stewart

Elder Maxson is Hoxhaist.

Luis Russell
Luis Russell

Minutemen are Bookchin gang.

Evan Diaz
Evan Diaz

tfw the brotherhood are literal hoxhaists

Noah Reed
Noah Reed

not rolling legion all day every day
literal shit tier
Pick one.

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Lincoln Russell
Lincoln Russell

new vegas is just a small gamblers city, just let house run it and be on your way.

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

followers i guess
maybe the powder gang in the vault

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

Yeah, the point of Vegas is that it's a diamond in the rough. The desert is especially wasteland-ish and the riches present in vegas (in terms of technology) enabled it to turn into a thriving city. Kind of mirrors IRL vegas that way.

Powder gangers are pretty based. They're prison laborers who took over the prison.

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Caleb Reed
Caleb Reed

Lol no. There's some dialogue from House and Caesar in the game where they highlight the utter absurdity of their bullshit LARP faction and you can tell the writers were speaking through the characters' mouths in those scenes. The brotherhood are utter retards with no endgame.

The most Zig Forums faction in the game is obviously the NCR, any other answer is sheer absurdity. Whine about imperialism all you want but when the only choices are between them and petty tribalism the answer is clear.

Jaxon Williams
Jaxon Williams

Enclave > BOS
Legion > NCR
House > Legion
Yes Man = egoist / House = technocrat
House / Yes Man > Legion > NCR
New Vegas anti-imperialism is the only way.

Jack Scott
Jack Scott

ceaser
anprim
You do realize that this is quite literally the opposite of how Ceaser is characterized, right? The only interaction he has post-reformation with tribal peoples is conquest and assimilation into his war machine. How do you get anprim from a guy whose entire nation is built out of killing and enslaving primitive people?

Justin Diaz
Justin Diaz

I pick not rolling legion all day every day.

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

Fallout 4

can it even be considered canon?

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Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

Powder gangers are pretty based. They're prison laborers who took over the prison.
There are vault powder gangers too, they're a breakaway group.
Vault 19 is one of the Vault-Tec vaults in the Mojave Wasteland. By 2281 the vault has been abandoned by its original inhabitants, and is currently occupied by Powder Gangers founder Samuel Cooke and his escaped convict followers.
fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_19
Samuel Cooke is the founder and former leader of the Powder Gangers. He was sent to the NCR Correctional Facility after waging a one-man campaign of mayhem against the NCR, blowing up supply caravans along the I-15. After leading the convicts in a successful uprising to take over NCRCF, Cooke left with a group of followers and went north, leaving Eddie as the Powder Ganger leader. Since then, Cooke and his personal gang of convicts reside in Vault 19, plotting to use the sulfur deposits underneath the vault to create explosives for a small-scale war against the NCR.
In contrast to Eddie and the Powder Gangers, whose reasons for hating the NCR are largely the normal antipathy of criminals toward the standing government, Cooke is described as having a revolutionary zeal, hating the NCR with an ideological passion. When asked why he hates the NCR so much, Cooke states that he hates how they feel they can just walk in and take whatever they want from the independent people of the Wasteland.
fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Samuel_Cooke
Powder Gangers more like PPWer Gangers

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Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

fallout 4
No, that's fallout 3.

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Grayson Ross
Grayson Ross

I liked fallout 4.
The "main story" was kind of bad, but at least they returned to a struggle of "ideas" inherent to the world rather than the simple "bad guy versus good guy" in FO3.
Fallout 4 is all about rebuilding the world after the catastophy. It's literally in the mechanics and I admire the ludonarrative that comes with the building/crafting/settler narratives. It poses the questions of whether humanity can rebuild for itself and take destiny into it's own hands (minutemen path), ought rather be lead by a group of enlightened technocrats (institute) or perhaps ought never truly rebuildt at all (BoS).

So yes, FO4 was not like the originals, but I still hold that it was an excellent game with a lot of humanity to it, and a surprisingly uplifting change away from games simply about wallowing in the post-apocalypse - in this game, the enemy is the apocalypse itself.

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Easton Peterson
Easton Peterson

Macron is the real world counterpart of The Institute.

Brandon Martinez
Brandon Martinez

Tbh I would like them to make a game focused mainly around building a settlement, which would also involve attacking other settlements and forming your own faction.

Jaxson Cooper
Jaxson Cooper

The greatest thing about the city-building system in FO4 is that expansion is made primarily through diplomacy and no through direct hostile takeovers.

Meanwhile, investing in the cities and creating confederations makes the game considerably easier; that sends a powerful message to the players through the mechanics; that we're stronger together and the rational thing to do in a doomsday scenario is for the individual to band together with others and forge alliances and try to build your own rather than simply stealing from others.

In a lot of ways, FO4 is a really beautiful game.

Jacob White
Jacob White

the Followers, duh. The Minutemen in FO4 are also pretty based.
the NCR is overly corrupt, and is quickly becoming a mirrior of the pre-war american government, since they're practically controlled by the West coast's equivalent of the national bourgoisie (i.e. the large caravan traders, like CC). They are also steetching way too thin, and simply won't be able to keep up this expansion rate.
Legion is utter garbage, and I don't think this really needs any explaination.
Mr House does have some redeeming qualities, his plans for new vegas can very easily turn the whole city into an authotarian shithole.
With Yes Man you do the exact same shit as with House, except House actually has future plans for NV which he doesn't ever tell you, or anybody else for that matter. Yes Man obviously doesn't have such plans, and with an independent NV, the main character would probably just become a generic dictator, and keep the status quo until their death. After which New vegas would probably just collapse back into warring tribes again.
The Brotherhood is reactionary as fuck and they have an incredibly idiotic stance on pre-war tech.
shit tier bait niggger

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

Fallout NV is the only fallout 3 worth playing.

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

Zig Forums is West Side and/or Followers and/or (unironically) Minutemen

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Angel Perry
Angel Perry

As much as I enjoyed fallout 4 it's such a shame that the only finished and fleshed out story route Is the brotherhood of steel
All the other factions are just the institute which is just "Hur dur you need to have a high Autism Level to understand our intentions"

Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

the only good option is the followers of the apocalypse anything else isnt even communist in the cannon except kinda BoS

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Logan Gonzalez
Logan Gonzalez

misspelling her name
It's not even like her name was spelled different than normal.

Jackson Perez
Jackson Perez

Most leftypol route is either Mr. House, Legion or NCR. Yes Man is the lolbert stupid route.

Wyatt Edwards
Wyatt Edwards

Fallout 4 was dogshit from a game mechanics perspective though. The settlement building thing was a complete mess. I can understand people wanting to be able to micromanage everything, but the game forces you to do that. You can't delegate someone else to manage. You can't delegate someone else to build buildings. You can't delegate someone else to craft stuff. You can't just be the person who goes out adventuring to bring back resources. You have to be an autocrat. And you can't just be the one running the settlements, because eventually you have to go out and scavenge some more. The whole point of RPGs like the fallout series is to have different ways to approach things, but Fallout 4 tries to force you to play it one way.

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

people actually think ceasar legion can win
Half of their territory is desert

Charles Davis
Charles Davis

MY GOTT

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Ethan Long
Ethan Long

Download SimSettlements.
FO4 is fucking great with mods.

Asher Parker
Asher Parker

bugthesda games are great when other people do them!

Ian Wright
Ian Wright

where is the sierra madre?

Tyler Morris
Tyler Morris

Anyone got any socialist themed mods for NV?

Speaking of which, anyone remember the YouTuber ScottishSocialist1?

He was making one called "The Mojave Soviet" but as he deleted his channel (Except his gaming channel) it looks like it's dead, which is a shame really as I liked what I saw of it.

Jack Richardson
Jack Richardson

Jesus, no!
I always believed it to be in the Arizona mountains.

Evan Hall
Evan Hall

what fallout 2 faction would be the best option ?

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Jaxon Hall
Jaxon Hall

I mean the brotherhood in theory is alright but they always intervene even though they say they won't.

NCR is kinda liberals but they do have food handed out as a basic human necessity so they're socialist, still too interventionist.

Enclave is fucking cancer but hey at least they've killed just an absolute shit ton of boomers

Alexander Howard
Alexander Howard

nigga the brotherhood are the least relevant faction in fallout 2 and they pretty much just exist in 2 to give you a reason to navarro

Charles Anderson
Charles Anderson

ik i'm just saying i agree with them the most in canon

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