Left Communism Thread “The militants who call themselves the “Vanguard”...

Zachary Long
Zachary Long

Left Communism Thread

“The militants who call themselves the “Vanguard” have today the same weakness that characterizes the masses at present. They still believe that the unions or the one or the other party must direct the class struggle, though with revolutionary methods. But if it be true that decisive struggles are nearing, it is not enough to state that the labour leaders are traitors. It is necessary, especially for today, to formulate a plan for the formation of the class front and the forms of its organizations. To this end the control of parties and unions must be unconditionally fought. This is the crucial point in the struggle for power.” -Paul Mattick

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marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1947/workers-councils.htm
marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1926/comintern.htm
marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm
intransigence.org/2018/11/02/breaking-from-stalinism/
youtube.com/watch?v=McFFGBaryPA&t
marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/1924/lenin/ch06.htm
lacan.com/jambadiou.htm

Connor Gonzalez
Connor Gonzalez

Doing anything is gay lol

Asher Morales
Asher Morales

ok this is epic

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Daniel Sanchez
Daniel Sanchez

Dude if you actively try to radicalized the proletariat in any efficient manner no matter how deeply reactionary and/or liberal ideology has penetrated every facet of society including the proletariat you're just as bad as those reactionaries and liberals lmao

Parker Torres
Parker Torres

MLs and other Socdems

Lmao whatever nigga

Tyler Campbell
Tyler Campbell

Can someone explain Adorno's anti democratic Marxism?

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

ML and other socdems
Absolutely based and commiepilled.

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Robert Jackson
Robert Jackson

MLs and other Socdems
Absolutely BTFO

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Mason Campbell
Mason Campbell

It must hurt to know that you're just a socdem with a better aesthetic and cooler guns.

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Adam Martin
Adam Martin

There is no theoretical contribution of leftcommunism, it's just a series of personality cults. Just like how "Trotskyism" has no coherent theory among it's various branches beyond a slavish devotion to a man. You can try to revive this shit with your Bordiga memes but people just don't care anymore here. leftcom flag shitposts have been rarer and rarer for a while now.

Blake Richardson
Blake Richardson

There is no theoretical contribution of leftcommunism, it's just a series of personality cults.
How is this different from every Marxist-Leninist after Lenin?

Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

Every single type of post has become rarer and rarer, people don't give a shit in general.

Joseph Roberts
Joseph Roberts

Both refusing to read and bare-faced lying seem to be in fashion huh?

John Green
John Green

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Ryder White
Ryder White

Is this just another fucking meme thread, or are we going to actually talk about left-communism? I have actually been interested in left-communism for a while, but no one seems interested in explaining what it even means.

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Ayden Robinson
Ayden Robinson

Left-communism isn't one ideology, its basically made up of various tendencies from council communists to vanguardists. It's just an umbrella term for communists who are anti-ML.

Kevin Parker
Kevin Parker

Here's a link to Workers' Council's by Pannekoek:

marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1947/workers-councils.htm

And here's a piece by Bordiga on the Third International:

marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1926/comintern.htm

Gabriel Gray
Gabriel Gray

Gyorgy lukacs is one of the most underrated left communists
marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

Mao, Stalin, Hoxha, Guevara

Christian Scott
Christian Scott

intransigence.org/2018/11/02/breaking-from-stalinism/

Daniel Hill
Daniel Hill

It's just an umbrella term for communists who are anti-ML
More appropriately, who are anti-leninist, Leftcoms are critical of Bolshevism in general, while Lenin was alive, and after him of both the troika and left opposition bolshevik tendencies.

James Reed
James Reed

Gonzalo and the Shining Path are definitely to the left of MLs, especially in the era they emerged out of, I think there's a good case to be made that MLM is a leftcom tendency

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Colton Turner
Colton Turner

Who are some good recent writers on reification and alienation as described by Lukács? In particular looking for material on subjective alienation (ie the experience).

Dominic Sanchez
Dominic Sanchez

I think there's a good case to be made that MLM is a leftcom tendency
More like a batshit insane pants on head retarded tendency lmao. Seriously I’ve never met any MLM or group that wasn’t cancer.

Lucas Kelly
Lucas Kelly

New People's Army are based though

Jaxon Lewis
Jaxon Lewis

Left commies were "right" in their hearts. But that doesn't do shit when you need to mobilize the masses, fight porkies and build a worker state.

Juan Collins
Juan Collins

I don’t think they’re MLM though, do they not follow Mao Zedong Thought?

James Hall
James Hall

it is not enough to state that the labor leaders are traitors
What is shit? Do you people not understand checks and balances?

Hudson Martin
Hudson Martin

Nope, they follow MLM as synthesized by Gonzalo they just also respect Cuba and Chavistas and hate on China for selling weapons to big man Rodrigo

Tyler Watson
Tyler Watson

Paul fucking COCKSHOTT MOTHERFUCKERS.

Carson Cooper
Carson Cooper

Well then I’d say they are the exception. MLM’s in the first world might as well be cops though.

Adrian Scott
Adrian Scott

Dude the Maoist bodybuilders in Germany are based as hell though, the real cops there are anti-Deutsche. the PCR-RCP is pretty good too.

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

Mao
Only noteworthy theoretical contributions were to military strategy
Stalin
Basically just followed Leninism
Hoxha
Basically just followed Leninism and also added his own meme shit like hating beards
Guevara
See Mao

the PCR-RCP is pretty good too.
Quick rundown?

Grayson Baker
Grayson Baker

S-s-socdem is doing stuff like g-giving workers leaders, you stinky cappies!!!1
Ok, send the unified Anarchist/Communist death squads in to deal with something this epic.
it is not enough to state that the labour leaders are traitors
Still don't understand why you can't grasp how constitutions/structuring could prevent this

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Gavin Myers
Gavin Myers

Party in Canada

Levi Ward
Levi Ward

The PCR-RCP are total garbage. I've had to work with them before and they are brutally sectarian, and refuse to recognize that they're in Canada, not a third world country. They refuse to adjust their rhetoric and militancy to a society which objectively lacks revolutionary conditions. Imo communists must maintain a radical critique of capitalism, and maintain socialism as the solution. However we should adjust our immediate demands, tactics, and militancy in accordance with the political consciousness of the population.

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

Could he be considered a leftcom theorist? He roasts his brother a lot about his tankism these days, often telling Unruhe that communism isn't about respecting wahman. He also uploaded a fairly interesting critique of the economic system of the USSR about a month back. Not mention he has always cited Monsieur Depot as his primary influence. youtube.com/watch?v=McFFGBaryPA&t

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Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

He basically combined ML with left communism.

Jacob Jones
Jacob Jones

Hegel was right all along.

Thomas Butler
Thomas Butler

MLs and other socdems

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Adam Morris
Adam Morris

Not really, Paul Cockshott just has a clearer view of planned economics than what most socialsts have
"On Praxis"
he went retarded later on thou.
Gonzalo wasn't even facing a civil war, he just got a bunch of people to larp in the mountains. How he got captured is also a pretty funny story aswell.

Camden Price
Camden Price

You can try to revive this shit with your Bordiga memes but people just don't care anymore here. leftcom flag shitposts have been rarer and rarer for a while now.

This is sad but true. I remember when I first started posting here in 2015ish there where four or five armchairposters who would make super helpful long ass posts with tons of links and pdfs. Then sometime around 2016 it became the go to flag for anyone that wanted to look smart. This along with BOs faggotry seems to have completely wiped the serious aspect of the tendency off this board.

Do read Bordiga (and Jehu and Rafiq), but don't try to revive what isn't coming back.

Jim, stop. We all know it's you.

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Hunter Lewis
Hunter Lewis

Not really, Paul Cockshott just has a clearer view of planned economics than what most socialsts have
He name drops Bordiga and Pannekoek at least once and goes out of his way to address criticisms of ML from the communist left, to the point where he actually differs significantly from the ML orthodoxy.

Do read Bordiga (and Jehu and Rafiq), but don't try to revive what isn't coming back.
Good advice, people shouldn't just read stuff from their own tendency. Sadly most leftists react to texts from opposing tendencies like they go into anaphylactic shock from exposure to it.

Jackson Barnes
Jackson Barnes

What's the difference between just communism/marxism and the left one?

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

Reading that article, that person seemed to have ended up in a really shitty ML party where they don't even make you read Lenin, and then fell for left-communist spooks that told her you need "organs of worker's power instead of whatever Cuba does" without explaining how these organs of worker's power are actually supposed to be organised as opposed to the institutions Cuba has in the current year.

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

Jehu
le no work meme
Rafiq
I don't even think he was left-communist, he always struck me as more or less of an orthodox Leninist/ML.

Nathan Russell
Nathan Russell

Cockshott BTFOs left-communism just as well, and most left-communist disagree with his positions on the surplus product. I mean, hell, the guy think the DPRK is socialist.

I'd just say that Cockshott generally doesn't give too much shit about ideologies and just supports what he thinks makes logical and scientific sense (which is what Marxism should be tbh)

Wyatt Lopez
Wyatt Lopez

Who the fuck calls himself Pannekoek? It's literally is pancake in Dutch.

Zachary Ortiz
Zachary Ortiz

Rafiq is to leftcommunism as /lit/ is to Zig Forums.

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Easton Ramirez
Easton Ramirez

Left communism is a type of Marxism. There are three flavors of left communism. Dutch-German Left communism which is pretty much just Anarchism Lite. Bordigism which is Leninism without all that gay democracy shit. Lastly you have contemporary left communism or ultra leftism which is just postmodernism dressed up in red and black.

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Connor Gonzalez
Connor Gonzalez

Postmodernism
Don't tell me that's actually anything but a Petersonite buzzword

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

Lenin
In favor of democracy

fucking wut

Jayden Gonzalez
Jayden Gonzalez

It technically really belongs to the end of "modernism" in philosopihcal circles, that of the conceptualization of history having a grand narrative.

Cameron Bell
Cameron Bell

what is democratic centralism

Ethan Flores
Ethan Flores

Read Helen Yaffe's "Che Guevara: The Economics of Revolution"

Aiden Cruz
Aiden Cruz

Do any of you know Yasha? (@s.ocialistic)

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

Have you ever read Lenin?

Benjamin Rogers
Benjamin Rogers

Read The State and Revolution.

Daniel White
Daniel White

That's not really true. Bordigists are Leninists. Leftcoms are exactly what the name says. They were the left-wing of the communist parties in the the revolutions in direct aftermath of WW1

Nicholas Ward
Nicholas Ward

DUMBASS>>2837340

I AM DUMB SILLY DUMB IDIOT ML

Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

le no work meme
What do you think a strike is?

Josiah Barnes
Josiah Barnes

Workers usually strike for higher wages and a shorter work day.

Angel Young
Angel Young

Lukács
leftcom
What the fuck are you talking about? Lukács was a staunch Leninist.
marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/1924/lenin/ch06.htm
The admirable realism with which Lenin handled all problems of socialism during the dictatorship of the proletariat, which must win him the respect even of his bourgeois and petty-bourgeois opponents, is therefore only the consistent application of Marxism, of historical-dialectical thought, to problems of socialism which have henceforward become topical. In Lenin’s writings and speeches – as, incidentally, also in Marx – there is little about socialism as a completed condition. There is all the more, however, about the steps which can lead to its establishment. For it is impossible for us concretely to imagine the details of socialism as a completed condition. Important as theoretically accurate knowledge of its basic structure is, the significance of this knowledge lies above all in its establishing the criteria by which we can judge the steps we take towards it. Concrete knowledge of socialism is – like socialism itself- a product of the struggle for it; it can only be gained in and through this struggle. All attempts to gain knowledge of socialism which do not follow this path of dialectical interaction with the day-to-day problems of the class struggle make a meta-physic of it, a Utopia, something merely contemplative and non-practical.

Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers

To confront the visibility of the democratic idea with the singularity of a particular politics, especially revolutionary politics, is an old practice. It was already employed against Bolsheviks well before the October Revolution. In fact, the critique addressed to Lenin – his political postulate viewed as nondemocratic – is original. However it’s still interesting today to peruse his riposte.

Lenin’s counter-argument is twofold. On the one hand he distinguishes, according to the logic of class analysis, between two types of democracy: proletarian democracy and bourgeois democracy. He then asserts the supremacy, in extension and intensity, of the former over the latter.

Yet his second structure of response seems to me more appropriate to the present state of affairs. Lenin insists in this that with "democracy," verily, you should always read "a form of State." Form means a particular configuration of the separate character of the State and the formal exercise of sovereignty. Positing democracy as a form of State, Lenin subscribes to the classical political thinking filiation, including Greek philosophy, which contends that "democracy" must ultimately be conceived as a sovereignty or power trope. Power of the "demos" or people, the capability of "demos" to exert coercion by itself.

If democracy is a form of State, what preordained philosophical use proper can this category have? With Lenin the aim – or idea – of politics is the withering of any form of State, democracy included. And this could be termed generic Communism as basically expressed by Marx in his Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts. Generic Communism designates a free associative egalitarian society where the activity of polymorph workers is not governed by regulations and technical or social articulations but is managed by the collective power of needs. In such a society, the State is dissolved as a separate instance from public coercion. Politics – much as it voices the interests of social groups and covets at the conquest of power – is de facto dissolved.

Thus, the purpose of Communist politics aims at its own disappearance in the modality of the end of the form separated from the State in general, even if it concerns a State that declares itself democratic.

If philosophy is predicated as what identifies, legitimizes or categorizes politics’ ultimate goals, much as the regulating ideas acting as its representation, and if this aim is acknowledged as the withering of the State – which is Lenin’s proposition – and what can be termed pure presentation, free association; or again if politics’ final goal is posited as authority in-separated from infinity or the advent of the collective as such, then, with regard to this supposed end, which is the end assigned to generic Communism, democracy is not, cannot be a category as regards philosophy. Why? Because democracy is a form of the State; let philosophy assess politics’ final goals; and let this end be as well the end of the State, thus the end of all relevance to the word "democracy."

The "philosophical" word suitable to evaluate politics could be, in this hypothetical frame, the word "equality," or the word "Communism," but not the word "democracy." For this word is traditionally attached to the State, to the form of the State.

From this results the idea that "democracy" can only be considered a concept of philosophy if one of these three following hypotheses is to be rejected. All three are intertwined and somehow uphold the Leninist view on democracy. They are:

Hypothesis 1: The ultimate goal in politics is generic Communism, thus the pure presentation of the collective’s truth, or the withering of the State.
Hypothesis 2: The relation between philosophy and politics entails the evaluation of a certain politics’ final goal, its general or generic meaning.
Hypothesis 3: Democracy is a form of the State.
lacan.com/jambadiou.htm

Wyatt Murphy
Wyatt Murphy

It's an ultra meme which distorts the historical progression of communist parties. Most communist parties had in their name or proclaimed themselves to be "social democrats" up until the Second International's betrayal of internationalism. It's also undeniable that Lenin (just like everybody at the time) took a great deal from Kautsky, but again, the two part ways.

It's an utterly dishonest tactic from the ultras: projecting current day (neolib) socdems onto early 20th century conditions, where the term meant something completely different.

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Easton Russell
Easton Russell

That's not where the leftcom claim that MLs are socdems comes from at all lmao. It far predates neoliberalism.
Its just a claim made by leftcoms that ML 'really existing socialism' is functionally indistinguishable from social democracy, based in menshevism, retains the capitalist mode of production, etc.
Its not some anachronistic projection.

Nolan Wright
Nolan Wright

it's not where it comes from
ML 'really existing socialism' is functionally indistinguishable from social democracy
it's where it comes from

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Tyler James
Tyler James

What's the difference between left communism and anarchism?

Camden Barnes
Camden Barnes

Leftcoms have autism and don't do anything, yet expect a "perfect" revolution. l

James Rivera
James Rivera

Its just a claim made by leftcoms that ML 'really existing socialism' is functionally indistinguishable from social democracy, based in menshevism, retains the capitalist mode of production, etc.
If it is based on Menshevism, then why do so many ultras implicitly subscribe to the "stagist" theory of Menshevism? What I always here is that Stalin was actually just a SocDem because he didn't went beyond commodity production but Mao is also a SocDem because you can't build socialism with peasants.

So, what is it? Either the material conditions don't allow for socialism ipso facto or the Marxist-Leninist leaders are just SocDems. Because MLs took it on themselves to build socialism in backwards countries, clearly a rejection of Menshevism.

Really if you dig through all the left-communist arguments, you'll find that they go through lengths to declare in the end that no situation would facilitate socialism because that is their preconceived notion to which conclusion they need to arrive at. This is juxtaposed with nonsense like "abolish work now!" - in the end, we must discard ultraleftists because the goal is to build socialism while not going back to the Bronze Age, por favor.

Connor Robinson
Connor Robinson

What is democratic centralism
A very bad joke where all policy is still dictated by a single party prone to corruption.
READ LENIN
Actions speak louder than words. Idgaf how much he talked about the need to abolish the state and the need for proletarian democracy in his texts, the reality is he banned party factions and was in favor of a dictatorship of the party in the workplace.
Anyone can play word games and redefine democracy as anything they wish. The original meaning was one person one vote and Lenin never allowed the practice of such a design.

Daniel Wood
Daniel Wood

I'm sorry are you advocating for multi party system? Because if you are you're a bourgeois stooge

Cooper Bennett
Cooper Bennett

There is literally nothing wrong with having multiple socialist parties. It's how the early soviets functioned before Lenin decided to ban every faction that wasn't his and shut down everyone else because reasons.

Anthony Morris
Anthony Morris

There weren't multiple socialist parties in Russia, and Lenin didn't ban them. You're no different than a liberal.

Oliver Cox
Oliver Cox

So you're saying that the early Soviets were electing capitalists? Do you have any idea how retarded you sound?

Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

Look at Nepal's experiment in socialist multi-party democracy and tell me nothing's wrong

Elijah Roberts
Elijah Roberts

Future capitalists is more like it. When the revolution came, the Mensheviks and the SRs betrayed the people and lost the majority in the soviets for it. They were as socialist as the Weimar republic.

Parker Adams
Parker Adams

Are there any actual an coms here

Carter Adams
Carter Adams

Lol, are you Canadian? The PCR-RCP is one of the most retarded leftist groups in the entire world. Anyone whose worked with them knows they are extremely sectarian and love to smear all their political enemies with false accusations of racism, rape apolgism colonialism etc.

Also they pull the most performative pseudo-radical stunts that just allienate the average prole.
leta burn Canadian flags and disrupt cerimonies on the 100th anniversary of Canada's founding, surely that will interest get people interested in Marxism

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