/leftybritpol/ - The Ride Never Ends Edition

Grayson Turner
Grayson Turner

Don't forget, you're here forever.

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Jace Price
Jace Price

At the pace we're going, how long till the British Peoples' Republic?

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Adam Collins
Adam Collins

Mogg is a soviet sleeper asset.
Codename: Mr. Bumble.

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Eli Stewart
Eli Stewart

Why does every party and indipendent in the commons spend there time attacking labour for not supporting second ref?! I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy…

Austin Price
Austin Price

Because they don't actually care about brexit user, they just don't like Corbyn.

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

I don't think that's true. I mean, yea. they hate corbyn but these people have built there whole identity around brexit over the last few years. you know it's all there middle class friends are talking about at the dinner parties, just how awefull it is that us poor, misguided plebs voted to leave the wonderful, wonderful EU… 'I mean, just look what gains it has given us! look at our GDP!!!'

Luis Rodriguez
Luis Rodriguez

Oh that's mostly to do with Blairism mutating into Europhillia. It's best shown by "Blair's achievements" being passed off as the EU's. I've heard people say "without the EU we wouldn't have the minimum wage" which is weird because that used to be Blair's big boi thing. It's basically middle class false identity forming around ensuring they stay fine, even if it means screwing over the people before it.

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy
That's because tories are dutifully playing their assigned part in the puppet theatre of bourgeois democracy, the (controlled) opposition is being sic'd on Labour because its not sticking to the (porky approved) script.

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Ian Thomas
Ian Thomas

Not Union of Britain

smh

Caleb Wood
Caleb Wood

Damn, Seamas has a nice coat. Man just gets better and better.

Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

It's funny how much he makes the Blairites mad as fuck. At this point anyone you see bitching about "The Four M's" is practically a confirmed anti-socialist.

Wyatt James
Wyatt James

SYNDIES OUT

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Luke Watson
Luke Watson

still howl that some on the far-right of the labour party think Ed Miliband was a 'trot'

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

You fuckign want some?

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Levi Anderson
Levi Anderson

Four Ms?

Jose Adams
Jose Adams

Milne and McCluskey, and the lesser known two are Andrew Murray and Karie Murphy.

Chase Barnes
Chase Barnes

DIRECT RULE FROM THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE

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Samuel Taylor
Samuel Taylor

The TUC will never yield!

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Leo Cook
Leo Cook

MILNE FOR GENERAL SECRETARY

Julian Price
Julian Price

Then it will be removed…

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Connor Perez
Connor Perez

You can't just do that!

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Thomas Ross
Thomas Ross

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John Martinez
John Martinez

Honestly I just came to the realisation that in the Kr timeline that Enoch powell would have been a Totalist and I am not sure what I think about that…

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

I am not sure what I think about that
Not much tbh.
Its simple, Totalism (totalist) is bad, Totalism (vanguardist) is good.

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Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

The brainlets really are running the asylum now, they're looking at the fucking Vienna Convention to see if they can just call do overs since no one understood that this kind of clusterfuck was possible, when any reading of it clearly states that being fucking retarded doesn't constitute a situation where its ok to ignore international treaty convention

Thomas Harris
Thomas Harris

This has to be the most specific vague statement I have ever read.

Leo Murphy
Leo Murphy

I can't be bothered with KR anymore, I've only managed to complete a CSA and UOB game, I drowned the world in my own blood as the CSA and sat on my little island shitting out planes until I unlocked nukes as the UOB

Does anyone know how to win as the great Khanate? I always end up getting shit on by the Qing or the German puppet that controls southern china

Angel James
Angel James

You're welcome

Basically they are looking at Article 62 of the vienna convention, which is the convention that governs how states treat treaties between states, and are trying to see if the absolute mess that brexit has become gives the EU and UK the option of legally acting as if the whole thing never happened, specifically because Art62 allows for no fault nullification of a treaty in situations where they've become impossible to fulfill due to unforeseen circumstances

Jaxon Price
Jaxon Price

This, probably.

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47568883

Noah Brown
Noah Brown

GF memes are cancer. i always think it's probably the kids that will grow up to be permavirgins or some shit.

Isaac Price
Isaac Price

At this point the rest of the EU is going to fuck off before us so we won't even have anything to leave.

Colton Smith
Colton Smith

EU is a dead man walking, just hasn't realized it yet.

reuters.com/article/us-commerzbank-m-a-deutsche-bank-explain/explainer-why-germany-wants-a-merger-to-underpin-deutsche-bank-idUSKBN1QU1RT

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

Remainer twitter is a weird and wild place
twitter.com/OFOCBrexit/status/1072510982021373952

Daniel Edwards
Daniel Edwards

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Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

a fucking LOTR reference
Now that's out of the way wasn't Mordor the industrial heart of the orc empire?

Juan Williams
Juan Williams

Listen to that shit music tho… These people are so impotent, i can't wait till they go away.. Also, whoever invented twitter and gave these people such a platform should be shot.

Isaac Jones
Isaac Jones

kinda funny

They did it by destroying the environment and the workers being just replaceable drones, fairly apropos metaphor

Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain, if Corbyn is really serious about Lexit he should convince people like me.

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain
We know, you tell us whenever you're not fighting for jihadi rights.

Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

Most Labour constituencies want it, most marginal constituencies want it.

With EU rules against government interference and nationalizations, any even remotely socialist program necessitates leaving the EU by default. Or did you intend to pretend that being left-wing is acceptable in the EU or that you are yourself left-wing?

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

Mordor was a progressive, bourgeois democratic, constitutional monarchy, spearheading the industrial revolution in middle-earth, the wholly fictitious anti-mordor narrative written by the victors is based entirely in covering up the aggression of the reactionary feudalistic western powers, dehumanising the orcish and troll peoples and the plotting of the white council and entrenched ultrareactionary {{{elven}}} interests to maintain their dominion over middle-earth.

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Oliver Clark
Oliver Clark

Oh wow, this book was very good. Havn't read it since i was a teenager. Gonna re-read or try to find audio… Thanks!!!<3

Kayden Myers
Kayden Myers

What a big man you are, campaigning for the deaths of babies and punishing people for being groomed age 15. Absolute scumbag.

The actual percentages are piddling, are we going to be held hostage because 1.5% of people wanted Brexit more than Remain 2 years ago? I mean if we're just going to play electoralist opinion poll politics why not just bring New Labour back?

France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do? The only thing that I'm aware that the EU bans is nationalisation without compensation to the current owners, which while I would support that, will never in a million years happen in this country. There's nothing that prohibits state industry or nationalistion.

Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny? Racists and xenophobes everywhere will hail the Tories as their saviours and elect them yet again, we'll be much worse off than when we started. You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs? If the popular support for that was strong enough for it to actually happen it wouldn't matter what the EU said about it to begin with.

If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why? He's hiding behind the Tories like a scondrel and hoping they'll do it so he doesn't have to.

Christopher Phillips
Christopher Phillips

What a big baby you are, always being a bitch.

Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

Ignorant cunt, don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit. You think things are bad now? Wait until we get even more like America.

Dylan Howard
Dylan Howard

Is Britain sick of debating abortion and the 15 year old girl who joined ISIS? why the fuck do people sperg out when you bring it up

Jackson Mitchell
Jackson Mitchell

why won't Corbyn commit political suicide to satisfy red liberals?

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Because a lot of people on here have way too much sympathy for far right arguments/views

What he's doing now is just slow suicide, do you think the Remain camp is blind and they can't see what he's doing? Leave voters are still backing the Tories and think Corbyn is a marxist agitator so who is he trying to appeal to? If he wants a left wing Brexit he needs to actually say it, the thing people liked about Corbyn was his honesty and frankness, now his reputation is all but ruined (just look at the polls on his trustworthyness).

Leo Hernandez
Leo Hernandez

He keeps whining about it being wrong or setting a bad precedent or something to strip jihadists of their citizenship, the baby should have been brought back, fair the foreign office should have grabbed it off her and taken it back to the UK or at least intervened to get it medical care, but the mother dug her own grave

Samuel Young
Samuel Young

Because he's had every position on the EU spoonfed to him like a little baby and still insists on shitting the place up with his graun tier takes. He is quite literally, in the plainest of terms, a fucking liberal. Look at this fucking shit
France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do?
The absolute state of this faggot. I don't even know what he means by it but I know he's been BTFO by whatever it is he's trying to imply dozens of times as I can come back here after weeks and find him repeating the same shit over and over, as if nobody has ever told him before.

Leo Butler
Leo Butler

But she was underage when she took that decision, no different than being made a sex slave by someone from her own country at that age, she totally deserves another chance.

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

Far right views
People that willingly join a fascist death cult and then refuse to so much as apologize or show any genuine contrition deserve what they get

Nah fuck her, certain things are unforgivable, the death of her kid is saddening but ultimately its still her fault

Brayden Diaz
Brayden Diaz

Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.

I literally brought it up twice, sorry you can't face the consequences of what you supported.

No different from some circlejerking beer-swilling populist, don't act like people who join the army are any better than her, they at least make the decision when they're at least 18.

Robert Reed
Robert Reed

twitter.com/joncstone/status/1105375856531169280
The EU is forcing France to privatise 150 dams. Corbyn wants to nationalise british electrical production infrastructure.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.
You've had it explained to you plenty of times you lying little cunt.

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

Yes, I've heard you say it plenty of times, but as I said, I've yet to see real proof. How is it my fault I can't understand it when the so called left wing Brexit crowd is trying to hide in the shadows and not explain anything to the public?

Okay, that's something, I appreciate that, though I feel like it might be difficult to separate out in that case the difference between the EU actually mandating it and the French government using it as an excuse to do something they would like to anyway.

"This is required because since 2006 EDF has been a state owned commercial company rather than a pure public service with special status (that structural change itself was made in response to EU rule liberalising the energy market) and so can’t get preferential treatment"

I'd like to understand this bit better as well. I mean we have a big EDF office in my city, it's hardly like it's an old style national industry.

Robert Green
Robert Green

Today's proposed 2nd ref amendment has been defeated hard style
334 Noes 85 Ayes

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

I've yet to see real proof
WHY YOU ALWAYS LYING?
www.caef.org.uk/d113rylml.html

David Perry
David Perry

If every Labour MP had voted for the amendment, it would have still failed.

Charles Scott
Charles Scott

don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit.

implying your significant enough to be blamed for anything, let alone fucking brexit.

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Ryan Wright
Ryan Wright

Yeah I know, pretty funny that 25 ish of them decided to rebel against the whip anyway
There's no better way to show your independence and daring than rebelling on a totally safe and utterly pointless vote

Luke Baker
Luke Baker

BREAK THE CHAINS

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Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

Again though the government wanted to privatise British Mail anyway so is it really so clearcut? I appreciate this but I still am not really convinced, you've proposed two cases where 1. the EDF was part-privatised because the government wanted to, and now is being forced to compete since it is not fully state owned, 2. the EU may have helped make Royal Mail less profitable (not that there are any sources for this) but the government wanted to privatise it anyway so isn't it a moot point?

As has been pointed out, some EU countries completely ignore certain rules like Italy and Greece so even if they put a demand to Corbyn, which I'm still not totally convinced they would, does he really have to abide by it?

And of course COBRA has been calling you up personally to consult, it's a turn of phrase twat.

When is Labour's proposed vote on an extension then? They do realise there's only 2 weeks left?

Julian Long
Julian Long

If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why?
I think he just trying to keep the Remainers and the Leave/North together with a compromise. Really any actual Lexit has to start with with a slight from EU against Corbyn when he enacts his plans to re-nationalize everything

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

extension was voted down
OH FUCK NO DEAL IS HAPPENING

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

Yes… YES!!!

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Isaac Gomez
Isaac Gomez

Nigga, I'm a Totalist

Brandon Lopez
Brandon Lopez

based bongs

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Evan Rivera
Evan Rivera

Well the amendments have been voted down, there's still the general gov motion on the extension.
Not all totalists are equal.

Luis Cox
Luis Cox

The gov motion for an extension passed.

Dominic Bennett
Dominic Bennett

For how long?

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Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Nobody knows

Blake Nelson
Blake Nelson

I didn't realise that was even happening today.

It's extended til 30th of June.

What a pisstake. Will things be any different by then?

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

Its only going to be applying for an extension to the 30th June if the May deal gets approved by the 20th (next week's vote) which is won't, then they'll apply for a longer one.

Nolan Gutierrez
Nolan Gutierrez

Will things be any different by then?

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Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

I heard rumors that one of the nation states (Italy?) may veto it when they vote on

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

Doesn't the EU have to agree to an extension?

Lucas Long
Lucas Long

Labour Shia coalition when?

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Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

How likely is the Irish Republic getting another 6 counties because of Tory stupidity?

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

Likelyhood grows by the day

David Gomez
David Gomez

What are we going to do if it doesn't work out lads?

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Kayden Nguyen
Kayden Nguyen

Everyone move to the Shetland islands and start a commune waheyy

Hunter Nelson
Hunter Nelson

Join the SDP and shill for socialism as nationalism because then it might as well be.

William Green
William Green

mobile.twitter.com/graceterbrock/status/1105846597366304768
yfw Peppa Pig is actually a whitehall psyop to engender britishisms into american culture.

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

read a few kr timelines and AARs
lawrence coup against the TYRANNICAL mosley
restores the united KINGDOM

i fucking hate how many normies have found kr since hoi4

David Turner
David Turner

Anyone have any experience with CPGB-ML? They're one of the few parties (other than Labour) that actually seem to do shit near me. I know they have the whole "Stalin portraits" thing going on but honestly that doesn't really bother me that much.

Julian Mitchell
Julian Mitchell

They have a weird thing against LGBT movements. Obviously rainbow capitalism is shit but they take it pretty far. Labour probably has more possibilities to doing good stuff but it is really dependant were you are
Congress therefore resolves that the propagation of identity politics, including LGBT ideology, being reactionary and anti-working class and a harmful distraction and diversion from the class struggle of the proletariat for its social emancipation, is incompatible with membership of the party, rendering those involved in its promotion liable to expulsion.

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

Yeah. I still find myself agreeing with them on a lot.

Any idea how amenable Labour is to Marxist ideas at the local level, in general at least? Obviously it'll vary from CLP to CLP, but I've heard people talking about hearing Marxist ideas discussed in their CLPs before. I have some (hopefully understandable) reservations about Labour, hence my preference for CPGB-ML, but thinking about it a little more attending the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

I really like Rob Griffiths, the current General Sectretary. He's appeared on Desolation Radio(a podcast about Marxism in Wales) a few times and each time I've come away respecting him and his the CPGB more, so I'm similarly interested.

One point I'm uncertain on is the vehement anti-EU stance which has allowed them to grouped together with UKIP and other right-wing shitheads. I don't entirely disagree with Lexit and shit but I don't know if the average person has patience to understand the differences in the viewpoints

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

I think Rob Griffiths is with CPB, rather than CPGB-ML. And I dunno. "The EU is an obstacle to worker's power due to the structure of its constitution" vs. "the EU is bad because muh immigrunts" seems a fairly simple concept to grasp, no?

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

From my personal experience I've been at a momentum meeting (all Labour party members) and the topic of nationalisation came up. All of the people there were critical of Labours past nationalisation policies and were talking about how the nationalised industries need to be run by workers councils instead of from Westminster. There were even a couple of M-Ls there. So Marxism is expectable I guess how much you have to hide it being Marxism depends where you are though.
There are so many splinter groups who the fuck knows anymore
CPGB-ML
CBGB
CPB
RCPB-ML
CBGB-PC

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

Tbh theres great doc on yt about the dissolution of the CPGB. It is kinda weird ngl.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

Capitalist realism personified

Leo Edwards
Leo Edwards

This is mostly itself because of idpol from the Brar family

Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

You'd think it was entryism with the CLPs, but it's actually just people unironically radicalizing organically, it's actually pretty impressive since this has all happened within the space of a couple of years and shows no sign of slowing down.

Landon Green
Landon Green

Yeah, its really quite weird tbh. I remember a newsnight programme back in 2015 asking if marx was making a comeback: now im pretty sure stuff is decently well known.

Alexander James
Alexander James

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James Miller
James Miller

Interesting, then. I dunno how active my local Momentum are, but my CLP is definitely kicking. If nothing else I figure it's a decent opportunity to get a bit of experience, no?
That entire blog is pretty good tbh: scarfolk.blogspot.com/

Caleb Reyes
Caleb Reyes

Direct rule from Jezza's allotment tbh

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Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny?
In the one post-referendum election we've had, Labour increased their vote share by nearly 10 points. But somehow you are the only person still clinging to this pre-referendum Remainer talking point that Brexit means endless right-wing government.

You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs?
Settling for piss-weak social democracy, or holding out for socialism? Tough one, that.

This is necessary though. You can't allow idpol to get any foothold or it will gradually take over your org.

the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.
Where are the meetings and where do you live?

I think most of those groups are dead. CPB and CPGB-ML are the only significant ones. The latter has very few members apparently but they punch above their weight.

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

Eh CPB has like ~700 members, for reference the SSP is assUmed to have about 3k. Organisationally trots have outnumbered MLs since the 50s.

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

I know the CPB doesn't have many either, but from what I've read the CPGB-ML literally has <100.

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

newstatesman.com/2019/03/inside-acrimonious-battle-lines-royal-family-fandom
Lamo Monarchy Stans.

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

Yeah, sounds about right.

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

The battle for Carlism will be fought on the fronts of Instagram

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

Where are the meetings
Birmingham.
and where do you live?
Call it Dudley I guess.

Jackson Davis
Jackson Davis

living in the post-industrial hell hole that is the Black country

Jonathan Richardson
Jonathan Richardson

Isn't that about 10 miles? I shouldn't really be surprised that it would take so long, given the absolute state of public transport. I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift, without necessarily admitting to why you're going to Birmingham.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

Far-right terorism in Surrey. One injured.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47605547

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

How embarrassing must it be that bad of a terrorist.

Henry Cox
Henry Cox

Why do i have a feeling this is just gonna be the start after Christchurch…

Nicholas Edwards
Nicholas Edwards

/pol/yp boomers armed with kitchen knives are now throwing themselves at teenagers in an attempt to do the terrorisms
the absolute state

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift
Don't really know anyone who'd be willing to do it consistently tbh. Ah well.

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

So this is the power of the right?

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

Couple of interesting videos with Costas over the past few days by RNN, in which he attempts to explain to Americans what exactly Brexit is all about, could be useful for some of our Burger friends. For background, Costas is a Marxist and a Professor in London, he was directly involved with Syriza and was an outspoken critic of their Betrayal and left that party when it happened, so he certainly has experience when it comes to the EU question. Mostly surface level stuff for the lads here but I think he's pretty much correct.
youtu.be/jh65ee5U9Kk
youtu.be/oIxKXj97EcE

Gabriel Ramirez
Gabriel Ramirez

Thoughts on James bloodworth? On one hand he fucking demolishes neoliberalism to its core, on the otherhand he is such a melt.

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

They're somehow more impotent than the Weather Underground and Red Army Faction were back in the 70's

Grayson Ramirez
Grayson Ramirez

thank you based tube user!

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

I genuinely can't tell if this is ironic or not, isn't hooktube fucked now, otherwise I would have used that.

James Ramirez
James Ramirez

mobile.twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1106878905225543681
So it appears we may being heading towards a firemen's strike.

Christian Turner
Christian Turner

Firemen are fucking awesome

Ethan Young
Ethan Young

I sometimes think about that. There's something fascinating about somsone's job literally being to fight against a force of nature and rescue people from it - not in the abstract like a paramedic, where you fight against sickness, injury and disease, but directly, where you fight against fire.
It remains interesting to me that former SNP leader Jim Sillars was a fireman.

William Cooper
William Cooper

If you can slide down the Midlands Metro, we have an interesting (unaffiliated) little group in Wolvo. Seatch for 'Cognitive Dissidents'.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

Hooktube gives the video a view now unfortunately, but it is useful if you want to watch something on YouTube without it affecting your suggested videos for all fucking eternity.

Nicholas Thompson
Nicholas Thompson

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_firefighter_dispute_2002–03
Remember that time they shat on Blair?
Honestly it's weird how everyone forgets they exist, like people will die for the NHS or shill for someone who shot unarmed protestors because they had camo on, but Fire Fighters just get ignored.
Still, if there is a strike: I hope to use it to organise in my town where the tory PCC is trying to shut down out local firestation.

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

Bercow refusing a third Meaningful Vote
O FORTUNA

Cooper Gomez
Cooper Gomez

So is Maybot going to just push for an extension promising a different deal or is this constitutional crisis going to make all hell break loose and give us a general election?

Jace Bennett
Jace Bennett

Honestly, May might call an election or a referendum now.

Grayson Watson
Grayson Watson

Here to Wolverhampton is even further. All I could find were a couple of Facebook posts about a radical film club, would that be it?
We're hitting proper crisis territory, aren't we.

Speaking of crises, was re-reading Left Wing Communism and found pic related pretty interesting. I know this thread is pretty pro-Corbyn, but what do you lads think of pushing for a Labour government in order to allow workers first-hand experience with the flaws and limitations of social democracy? Don't think I've ever seen it bought up here and it's something I've been wondering about for a while. I know CPB are supportive of Labour, but I'm not sure what character their support for them takes on; whether they genuinely believe a Labour government would build socialism in the long run or what. The section in their programme on the limitations of social democracy makes me think it's more like pic related, but yeah.

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Hunter Young
Hunter Young

admit you're hitting crisis territory
be worried Corby will cuck out like other SuccDems
You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees, because he is expecting to wake up.

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Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

need to figure out how to be funny
keep wanting to write fiction but i'm always derailed by a cack-handed moralism driven by half-baked understandings of leftist theory.
i can see the way out: put the moralising to one side, let the dynamics of the system roll as they do in real life, and don't fear making the bad guy likeable or the protagonist a liberal. but that's easier said than done.

Jonathan Garcia
Jonathan Garcia

Are you saying you have faith in Corbyn's Labour building socialism here, or what? I don't really speak video game references
even if max payne was pretty fucking good

Brody Brooks
Brody Brooks

Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.

Aiden Turner
Aiden Turner

There’s been lots of stories published in the past few days about Corbyn resigning. If he steps down now there’s a good chance a moderate with half his talent will take leadership. I wouldn’t mind it being someone like Starmer or McDonnell, but they just don’t have Corbyn’s appeal.

Do you think there’s any truth to all these rumours?

Xavier Ramirez
Xavier Ramirez

Either be worried about the game playing out in a shitty way, OR about the table the game is being played on being flipped. Not both.

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.
I mean Tom Watson isn't exactly the imaginative type

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

Pretty sure these rumours have been around for some time. Most likely he will stick it out until another general election, if he wins he will probably only stay PM for a year or so. I don't think he will want to go until it is clear who will replace him from the left

Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

I wouldn't be surprised tbh, the antisemitism thing over the summer really fucking hit him hard. Also I remember reading in an interview years back that he only wanted "to be in government for a few years anyways".
As for potential successors, there are actually a good crop of lefties that could do a good job. Honestly the whole project will remain as-long-as McDonnell is Chancellor tho. It really helps that a load of the Blairites just autopurged tho.
As for who could be leader, there is quite a selection, with the lower requirements I am sure we will have a couple of great successors to choose from.
Eh I think he may resign just after May, if brexit happens ofc.

Easton Bennett
Easton Bennett

He has got to ride out at least one more GE…

Robert Morris
Robert Morris

This is what me and other lads have argued multiple times, we've had long conversations about this in other /leftybritpol/ threads. You understand this is the logical conclusion of Marxism-Benninism right? Benn's project was always about creating the adequate conditions for a transition to Socialism, be that through "non-reformist reforms" (I.E reforms not for the sake of merely improving the conditions of the Working Class Temporarily, but those that make both Working Class & Communist organization more tenable), instilling consciousness into the Working Class that there is an alternative and it relies upon them, Letting them experience the limitations of Social Democracy themselves etc. etc. The Corbyn wing of the party is fully aware of these developments; they're just kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. I've personally argued that this strategy is infinitely more viable now than ever simply because the policy adopted to dismantle Social Democracy & subjugate Labour to Capital (Neoliberalism or whatever you want to call it, I have problems with this term on a few levels) was essentially done in response to different crises brought about by secular decline in profit rates. This has gotten so bad in the wake of the 2008 crisis that it literally is impossible to enact even Social Democratic reforms; and a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition. I think "Hiding their power level" is pretty much always used as an exercise in wishful thinking, but this is the most applicable case I've seen. The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.

Daniel Miller
Daniel Miller

WEll another major part of it is that Benn correctly identified that the institutions (both governmental and societal) are run by the same sort of aristocrats that ran them 300 years ago. Unlike the whole of continental Europe, or even America tbh (remember that civil war?), we have never had a "hard reset" on our country. So the point was that even in a full-blown, balls to the wall February-October style revolution that due to how inherently ingrained this elite is into all of our institutions that it would not be possible to dislodge. As such, somewhat like Lenin's dual power, but over a far larger scale. This elite needs to be usurped through the erosion of their economic power. As such, non-reformist reforms.

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

Yeah I'm pretty sure he will ride out one more election. My money is on one being at the end of this year.

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

I dunno tho, we have to ask the question will Corbyn stay until 2022? I doubt that tbh.

Gavin Sanchez
Gavin Sanchez

Yeah I'm not completely well read on all the specifics of the structure of the ruling class with relation to the aristocracy but this is something that a lot of British Communists have spoken about, even Cockshott has his whole thing about expropriating land & means from Lords having a constitutional basis insofar as they're provided those resources by the Monarchy because they're supposed to provide a standing army. A hell of a lot of the British Ruling Class genuinely is still descended from the Fuedal Aristocracy, you can find multiple Billionaires with large stakes in various Firms & Industries.

Christian Price
Christian Price

Literally Cameron is the descendant of King William IV (ofc illegitimately).

Adrian Myers
Adrian Myers

What goes wrong with brintbong, leftist, frendos?

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Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

Willing to bet its is all her fault tbh.

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Zachary Carter
Zachary Carter

But why though?

Asher Moore
Asher Moore

I mean you don't even have to go back to the 19th century but yeah, the fact that the Aristocracy in Britain seamlessly transitioned into their new position as Bourgeoisie and maintained all of their institutions is a large part of why Class is perceived in a specific way in Britain that isn't really comparable to the majority of other developed Imperial Core countries. It'd be interesting to dig directly into the holdings of every single House of Lords member, I actually vaguely remember someone making a thread about that a couple of years back.

Samuel Bennett
Samuel Bennett

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful. for almost any other human being i can find something to occupy the side of the scale opposite their black, black hearts. Not Thatcher. I could mount a better defence of any other monster to any other audience than I could Margaret Thatcher. Even the most gluttonous capitalist can at least be admired, in a perverse sense, for embodying some occasionally comical sense of disgust. At every turn where she could be admirable Thatcher succeeded in ducking and dodging and ensuring there would be nothing about her worth liking.

It cannot be forgotten that our country produced this singularly irredeemable person. That is a very disturbing development. The yanks at least gave Reagan a sort of fake, grandfatherly personableness. We're used to thinking of yankism as the lowest of the low, but they did a better job. Dear me.

Benjamin Lopez
Benjamin Lopez

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful

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Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

UK has 'wrost quality of life in Europe'

We're Number 1 waheeey get on it lads!!!

Noah Green
Noah Green

a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition
pipe dreams

Owen Evans
Owen Evans

You think that the working class will turn to Fascism when Labour fail then? Because if you believe that to be the case then you better start preparing to fight them. By the way, I'm not arguing that we as Communists should throw our active support behind Labour, rather we should work with them when it is directly beneficial but otherwise ruthlessly critique them as usual; what I am arguing for though, is to heavily shadow them and start seriously organizing because we can see the fallout, and we must be there to guide workers.

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful.
Think better.
t. French user

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Dylan Ward
Dylan Ward

Macron has the benefit of being a symptom of liberal collapse in his destruction of the french two-party system and consolidating the forces of liberalism into one party of useless, inept hacks. There's something farcical and poetic in him as an element of the historical narrative, he's the sort of villain who we relish in fighting and defeating, whereas Thatcher was just pure uncompromising evil being malevolent for its own sake.

Cooper Adams
Cooper Adams

Macron is more of a comedic character, totally out of his depth, a retarded child pretending to be a god emperor,

Blake Harris
Blake Harris

He's at least funny. Like, he's a terrible horrible person and leader - but he's redeemed by his arrogance. Thatcher thought she was better than royalty, but it wasn't an entertaining part of her character like it was for the Jupeterian president with ideas too complicated for journalists. Thatcher is redeemed by nothing.

Gabriel Taylor
Gabriel Taylor

Don't suppose anyone's got a PDF of Mark Fisher's posthumous book?

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

I don't quite see how entering into a constitutional crisis now and the inability of a theoretical future Labour government to build socialism are interlinked, though. Maybe I'm just being slow here.
The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.
Pretty much what I was getting at in that post, yeah.
pipe dreams
Alright, but d'you mind expanding on your line of thought here?

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

What's all this shit? It's the first I've heard about it.

Jeremiah James
Jeremiah James

I don't know if Cornish independence is realistic or worth it, but it sure is funny

Luis Jackson
Luis Jackson

No one will ever believe me but I have a vivid memory of being about 5 years old in Finsbury Park where I was with my dad but I wandered off on my own.

I remember the sunny day started with me being at an area with a bunch of rocks where there was some sort of terrible amateur comedy play down in the center of the rocks with a bunch of men were wearing shopping bags on their heads and I was shouting "boo" and "this isnt funny" and all the adults in these coliseum type seats were turning around and shouting at me "shut up you little shit" and the swearies scared me off.

I went back to the Finsbury Park cafe, which I remember having a Walls logo on it and there were a bunch of tables in front and this really, really fat woman had this plate of chips that were covered in ketchup that looked really good and I asked her could I have a chip, and she said with a mouthful of chips in anger "Grrrno!!! these are my chips and you can get your own!" and I kept saying "but its just one chip and you've got a whole plate of them" and she said started actually pulling the plate closer to her and shielding it with her big fat arms and I was putting my hand out and saying "It's just one chip" and she started screaming on the verge of crying to leave her chips alone and let her eat in peace. I said "You're really mean" and walked into the cafe where I knew my dad was.

Inside was my dad and his friend Jeremy Corbyn who had a suitcase and a painting in a plastic cover he was selling my dad. My dad was drinking tea and I think Corbyn was drinking a cappuccino. I complained to my dad that the woman outside wouldn't give me a chip and she had a really big plate of them.

Jeremy opened up his wallet and said "You're old enough now you can go buy yourself your own chips." and gave me a ten pound note and I didn't know anything about money and had never bought anything before. He told me to go over and ask for chips and give the man the ten pound note. I felt intense anxiety but I braved up and said "can I have chips" to the man at the counter and I think he was foreign and he gave me a chop chic mint ice cream cone and a load of change. I thought the ice cream was even better but was really upset because I didn't understand change and thought the guy had ripped me off and that money was like coupons that you showed and you just got stuff. I went over and complained to Jeremy that the man took all my money and he just about managed to explain how change worked to me while I was on the verge of tears thinking the ice cream man had stolen my money and given me less money. I went back to the counter and took my mint choc chip ice cream and the change and went back to the table, the man at the counter, my dad and Jeremy were laughing at me.

Also he gave the suitcase to my dad along with the painting and when I got home it had a Commodore 64 with literally all the games in it.

Hope you enjoyed my story.

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Sebastian Harris
Sebastian Harris

Also I told Jeremy Corbyn that I really liked Action Man and I asked him did he know about Action Man. I remember him telling me about how AK-47s work in technical detail that went over my head. I kept saying "But what about bazookas" and he kept saying "I don't know", I think I said that about 10 times and he got annoyed. But he told me about how grenades work. He did a drawing of one and pointed at the 'spoon' and said you had to hold it and pull the pin out and hold it really tightly and throw it. He said if you dropped it after you pulled the pin you should run away as fast as you can. He didn't explain why and I didn't understand mortality at this point.

I remember a year later being the bath after eating 2 packets of sugar-free polo mints and it giving me a really bad stomach ache and having a really horrible existential crisis when I realize everyone dies one day including mummy and daddy. I got so upset that I poured all the shampoos and shower gels into the bath and fluffed it up which turned the whole bathroom into a big giant bubble bath that poured out of the door and I was crying and screamed at my parents that you and we are all going to die one day and so am I.

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Ayden Morales
Ayden Morales

Also does anyone know the name of these C64 games:

- One where it's like a bunch of multicoloured rockets firing off from a city, or it might be that the city buildings were multicoloured
- One where you drive around in a futuristic tron car in first-person view and it's like this wireframe world that looked cool as hell
- One where you play as an astronaut that's floating around, I think it was weird like a tethered spacewalk
- A super complex first person spacecraft game where you had a head-up display and cockpit (this might my impression of it as a kid, it might have been a flight sim set at night, it was too heavy on keyboard binds but my dad would let me use the joystick while he was pressing the keyboard commands and we actually got good at it even though you had to use the keyboard a lot

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Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

You think that the working class will turn to Fascism when Labour fail then?
yes
Alright, but d'you mind expanding on your line of thought here?
when has that ever happened? there will be no falling of scales from eyes, they'll just get the newest model of scales from scales inc.

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

Eh the claim that they are an organic nation is neither here nor there, they would be like the smallest country that isn't a microstate in Europe. Also they are poor as shit.

John Williams
John Williams

This is a good copypasta.

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

So it appears May is going to apply for a 3 months extension.

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

I think we just go for maximum chaos at this point and give every county it's own independence vote.

Angel Wood
Angel Wood

Tbh if May gets an extension, I think the tory brexiteer voters are gonna go full Dolchstosslegende and abandon them. Get hype.

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

It looks like this is being taken out of the Prime Minister's hands. Emanuel Macron of France has said enough is enough, he will oppose any extension of Article 50 in Council tomorrow
youtu.be/gkTb9GP9lVI
MACRON THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING MADMAN

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

Seriously, the choice is now No Deal vs May's deal: i put 70% chance on the former.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

I hope all you middle class brits are enjoying this bourgoies spectacle. Brexit ey! What a disaster! Let's just go back to how it was, the stable years of mr blair.

Parker Mitchell
Parker Mitchell

So, are you prepared to fight Fascism or are you just another defeatist/sour grapes american?

Jacob Nelson
Jacob Nelson

The worst thing about this bollocks is that if No Deal happens we're literlaly just going to get an even shittier May deal a few months down the line when the government is going to be forced to go crawling back to the EU with literally 0 power to dictate anything and take that big neoliberal cock up our arses. Of course, the upside is that the Tory party would disintegrate even faster than if May's deal passed, but I'm not sure I want a politics of ressentiment to motivate us because then this country actually will turn to Fascism if all you have is a completely Disempowered Socdem party and the Communists aren't prepared.

Landon Smith
Landon Smith

If things are powered by resentment there is a hope with the SDP, who are basically centre-Nazbols but I agree with you. A no deal means the death of the Corbyn project.

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

So God-Emperor Macron is channelling De Gaulle and intending on blocking May's application for extending article 50, No Deal ahoy!

Leo Lewis
Leo Lewis

middle class brits
interesting deduction. so how many people do you know who are losing their jobs over this shit?

Eli Ortiz
Eli Ortiz

Reports May is gonna speak tonight, she's gonna announce something I hope.

Gabriel Nelson
Gabriel Nelson

Macron getting guillotined right after a no deal Brexit would be so goddamn funny

Grayson Hughes
Grayson Hughes

The user as right we are living in Kaiserreich

Daniel Walker
Daniel Walker

Nah fam, French Revolution rn would be like the Coalition wars but with a stronger Germany and a weaker Britain

Parker Perez
Parker Perez

this country actually will turn to Fascism
Don't be such a drama queen.

the Tory party would disintegrate even faster
if all you have is a completely Disempowered Socdem party and the Communists aren't prepared.
I don't know how you reconcile these two statements.

Grayson Ortiz
Grayson Ortiz

I don't know how you reconcile these two statements.
Because fascism arises when there is no genuine working class movement?

Logan Campbell
Logan Campbell

Well it's not quite so simple, depends on whether an Extension is offered in exchange for something big like a GE or 2nd Vote, but the thing is those would also completely destroy the Tory party. It's very strange that Macron is doing this because he was actually advising May that she could use Citizen's Assemblies to avoid a GE or Ref, not sure what his game is, us mere plebs can't understand JVPITER I guess.

Really the question is about the specifics of exactly how the Tories disintegrate and whether the Nationalist wing are subverted by a real Far Right or whether they corral people back into Liberalism. Johnson, Mogg etc talk a big game but they're Etonians at heart and they're not willing to go the whole way to turn the Tories into Far-Right party (Although I guess keeping an eye on Bannon who is attempting to buddy up to Johnson is a good idea), it wouldn't fly with MPs, Membership or Donors, for them Nationalism is just a divide & conquer tactic.

If the struggle in the Tories is somehow won by a genuine Far Right then No Deal could potentially not completely kill Corbyn but then you're stuck dealing with an Alliance between the actual Fascist parts of British Society & Tories. I really don't see it happening, it's pretty clear that no matter what happens the Right is going to be infighting for years to come and the Far Right groups that are trying to Infiltrate UKIP or exist outside of Politics at all aren't even willing to run MEP candidates which is something that they would have to do if there's an extension of any kind. Why would they enter back into mainstream politics when there's no chance of even assured influence, to me the figureheads of any kind of Far-Right sentiment that's adjacent to Parliamentary Politics are fundamentally all Sheepdogs. The actual Far-Right threat is outside of Politics and I don't think you'll see these people start to sway the Ruling Class until Labour seizes power and somehow actually starts being able to pass serious reform whilst radicalizing further, which is a whole other conversation.

The resentment thing is kind of complicated because that's essentially what motivated Brexit for a lot of the British Working Class far and beyond any kind of serious commitment to Racism or whatever, the big question is how you assuage that feeling; we have plenty of Working Class people that are moving Far Left but we have an equal amount that are moving Far-Right, and it's really strange to see actual Working Class people being swayed by Fascist ideology when there is a increasingly Left Wing alternative, it's not something that has historically been seen before, usually it's the abscence, removal or failure of the Left that prompts it. Guess that just goes to show how fucking disenfranchised people are with Bourgeois Politics and how deep the rot has set in. There are genuinely a minority of people in this country that would reject every single genuine effort in their interests if they could just get rid of "Immigrants" or whatever, and these people aren't Lumpen or Petit-Bourg. It's fucking wild that you'd let your children starve just to get rid of the browns. I think the majority of people though have seen what a farce Brexit has been and still don't quite understand it all because none of the real question are being asked about it; they just want it over with. I don't think centre-NazBol is an option because it just temporarily puts off the problem and strikes an almost Faustian Bargain. It doesn't cut off the resentment at the root and actually plays into it, which leaves it possible for it to rear it's head again when the actual serious crises set in. Brexit is absolutely nothing compared to the next Global Crash, the threat of ecological collapse, the ramping up of the next Imperialist War etc. I think you have to just go even further hardline left and offer real tangible benefits to the majority of the Working Class that is just kind of tired of Brexit, and I think the death of the Tory party will give Labour the opportunity to normalize that, they just need to ride it out and not fuck up, which is really hard for SocDems, they just need to buy the Communists time.

Colton Flores
Colton Flores

you are being retarded, as a frenchman, our last 15years of privatisation and labor law gutting are straight out of the commission recomandations. the eu was conceived as a liberal tool, and you straight cant do meaningful socdem reforms in it.

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

I meant how do you see the Tories disintegrating but the Left also being 'completely disempowered'? Although I don't see how you can develop a genuine working class movement without exposing neoliberalism and the Right as being bad for the working class, which a hard Brexit does admirably.

Citizen's Assemblies
This is just such a stupid idea. Not surprised to see Gordon Brown enthusing about it, it's almost a parody of a Gordon Brown initiative in its gimmicky uselessness.

could potentially not completely kill Corbyn
Still not seeing why a Tory-run economic crash is bad news for Corbyn.

Brody Barnes
Brody Barnes

oh and you fucking defend privatising dams? just fucking kys liberal son of a bitch, I honestly want treason charges against someone that try to pull such shit
edf has been privatised to comply with the eu btw , same as gdf or orange,
price have raised and quality declined.

Kevin Jones
Kevin Jones

This is just such a stupid idea. Not surprised to see Gordon Brown enthusing about it, it's almost a parody of a
Eh they work quite well in Ireland and Cuba.

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

Still not seeing why a Tory-run economic crash is bad news for Corbyn.
Because people will still blame Corbyn for it. There was a poll showing that if brexit fails 60% of leavers will put Corbyn was responsible.

Julian Cook
Julian Cook

Yeah I agree Citizen's Assemblies is retarded. As far as the crash thing, it's me just laying out worst case scenarios. Like realistically the Tories are going to hand shit on a Plate to Corbyn, the problem is if they go for No Deal, the Nationalist wing wrangles enough control to keep away from a GE until they eventually capitulate and go back to the EU after everything is fucked with an actual dogshit deal and we're fucked beyond the point of Corbyn being able to do anything. There's some other stuff but that's just speculation into the future. Essentially I agree, Tories are crashing this fucking plane with no survivors and Labour are going to be given every opportunity, they just need a GE.

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

How can it be applied to this situation? We've already had a referendum. The various options are already well understood. And even if the Assemblies somehow delivered a decisive result in favour of one course of action, that decision would have no legitimacy in the eyes of its opponents. It just seems like Remainers are hoping to nullify or blur the referendum result tbh.

Source? It would be highly unusual for voters to blame the Opposition for economic troubles. Also 60% of Leavers would only equal about 30% of the electorate.

an actual dogshit deal and we're fucked beyond the point of Corbyn being able to do anything
I can imagine the deal being bad in terms of trade, but how could it be more restrictive than what we have now?

Hudson White
Hudson White

I don't see the "Great Replacement" right taking over the tories, mostly because they have bled rightwards already (UKIP is openly the political wing of Tommy Robinson, and if you look at the tory membership that kind of sentiment never makes its way up through the ranks due to the inherent oligarchy that is the tory party). What I can see is someone who is Orbanesque taking over, which I think will inherently fail in British politics because parties like Fidez, PiS, AKP got power was because they were initially anti-establishment; it is impossible for the tories to be that.
What I am more worried about is pro-brexit working class people moving towards the street politics of the EDL. I'm from the three counties: What Robinson was doing in 2013 only stopped because he didn't have much of a base to draw from. "Demand brexit rallies" that deliberately antagonise the asian population of this area (which is the minority despite what people say) is gonna cause reactionary racial tension that will set back about a decade's worth of progress.

Ethan Cox
Ethan Cox

Source? It would be highly unusual for voters to blame the Opposition for economic troubles. Also 60% of Leavers would only equal about 30% of the electorate.
Sorry, I mean brexit not happening, not a no deal.

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Grayson Taylor
Grayson Taylor

I mean by that measure they consider everyone who voted remain to have about as much responsibility for Brexit not happening so I think we can safely dismiss this statistic as plain bonkers.

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

How can it be applied to this situation? We've already had a referendum. The various options are already well understood. And even if the Assemblies somehow delivered a decisive result in favour of one course of action, that decision would have no legitimacy in the eyes of its opponents. It just seems like Remainers are hoping to nullify or blur the referendum result tbh.
Well Varoufakis' idea is that you get a citizens' assembly of all sorts of people, and you ascertain what they want from brexit in both abstract conceptual forms and policy. And then you take that to the EU to get a proper deal. Think with citizens' assemblies is that they don't actually take that long once organised, like you could have a fucking load within a week with only a month or so of planning. And even if it triggers some leavers and remainers, since it will be based on a good consensus of the people it will also be accepted by apprehensive MPs. But this is the kind of thing you should do in the first 3 months of the breit procedure, not now.

Ethan Wright
Ethan Wright

Interesting

twitter.com/britainelects/status/1108454464321671169

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

Tbh during an actual campaign, I imagine things will move towards the deal.

Jackson Bennett
Jackson Bennett

What a useless speech. Why does she even bother covering her arse like this, her days are numbered anyway.

William Cruz
William Cruz

I don't understand why May was acting like we won't be leaving on the 29th. Haven't the EU said that we can't have an extension unless we pass the deal? And if we pass the deal why would we need an extension?

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

What if Brexit isn't real and you're being shadow-Brexited? Like you get a separate freeview/sat and your ISP has you sequestered in a shadow-Brexit world where it never happened.

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

vox.com/2019/3/20/18273440/brexit-extension-drama-explained-theresa-may

May’s plan, according to her letter, is to get her Brexit deal through Parliament on a third vote and use the remaining time to allow Parliament to pass that international agreement into domestic law.

Someone explain this to me. I don't get what they mean by turning the international agreement to domestic law.

Adam Rivera
Adam Rivera

Also why would they need the extension if they already passed May's deal. I thought the extension was needed because May thought she could get the votes with more time to pass this abortion of a deal through.

Christopher Morales
Christopher Morales

Don't worry lads, the liberals have started a petition to stop brexit. That will really show them.

Zachary Cooper
Zachary Cooper

A load of legislation needs to be passed to change how the uk funcrions due to the deal.

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

It really dawned on me while walking to uni that in a week's time we may be having food shortages what a fucking world.

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

Can someone please hurry up an organise mass revolution and slaughter these cunts in Parliament we need Guido Fawkes more than ever currently

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Adam Williams
Adam Williams

I did find some polling, rather limited blowback for corbyn.

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Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

What a degenerate image

Wyatt Smith
Wyatt Smith

thetimes.co.uk/article/army-boss-lieutenant-general-sir-mark-mans-joined-company-after-it-won-disastrous-deal-fzczktdg0?fbclid=IwAR2GpoOz75aCzFNK9C4P0I0FdwQOLSJuRk9FAcoNV1Gmc_b5ogf3NGBb074
Well it appears the Army's corrupt.

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

shock horror

Chase Cox
Chase Cox

I'd be more surprised if it wasn't.

Owen Morales
Owen Morales

Lamo reports are that the army is down to 76k men. For reference that's the size of Greece's.

Brayden Lewis
Brayden Lewis

Source on that lad?
Wouldn't be surprised though there have been cuts to all sections of the state and it would even including the police.

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1108681759720435712
It has more to do with capita being fucking shit at their job: my mate who tried to join the army said they kept on losing medical documents and shit like that.

Dylan Edwards
Dylan Edwards

To be fair Greece actually has a comparatively large army and spending for being a country of 10 million due to tensions and fairly recent conflicts with T*rkey - Portugal has 35k, Sweden has 34.5k (both having similar populations to Greece). Poland as a country of 38 million has an army of 100k. In that sense the UK is following the trend of outsourcing the dirty business to the USA while maintaining a skeleton force because lol austerity. Which makes all that noise about sending ships to the Pacific all the more farcical.

Jason Murphy
Jason Murphy

I'd imagine a large section of that 76 thousand are reserves too

Isaiah Richardson
Isaiah Richardson

Good news.

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

marvel: infinity war is the most ambitious crossover event in history

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Cameron Richardson
Cameron Richardson

twitter.com/RevokeA50_Bot
more than 3.1 million signatures on the petition to revoke A50.
the #FBPE constituency has demonstrated a pretty powerful online presence.

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584
heatmap of where people signed from. No surprises.

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Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE TRADE UNIONS BRO!!!

I TOLD YOU DOG!

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Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

Soft left dads in my work wouldn't shut up about this yesterday. Felt like one of them was giving running update's.

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

kek

Charles Turner
Charles Turner

I know who you nicked that joke from, but still.

Ian Cook
Ian Cook

Tbh every Tory seat that is Orange is one they should be worried about.

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

that joke has been used like 2 million times in the last few years

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

Funny how they're shifting from 'we need another referendum to be democratic' to 'fuck democracy lol, we need to cancel Brexit right now without a referendum'.

Joshua Ward
Joshua Ward

Anyone got that one Twitter screencap of some woman saying "democracy consists in recognising when you've made a mistake and Brexit was a mistake" and "working-class people shouldn't have the vote because they're not experts"

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

what even is the point of the TUC anymore

Ian White
Ian White

I mean tbf, the TNT has 25% of the British workforce unionised: that dwarfs France and Germany.

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

Breaking, Uri Geller says he will not allow May to lead us into Brexit.

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Hudson Parker
Hudson Parker

UKIP is a serious political party
Hahaha Im looking forward to this clown getting destroyed in an election

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Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

Sargon of Mossad potentially in political office
What the fuck is this timeline

Jaxson Reed
Jaxson Reed

are they going to have mainstream meteor man run too

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Andrew Sanchez
Andrew Sanchez

I really hope someone eggs the cunt

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

I assume this is what some would categorize as "cringe". As for myself, I do not consider that word to be accurate in this case. What I feel about this may be beyond single-worded descriptions. I think.
A picture, however, is considered to be worth a thousand words, so~

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Jacob Morris
Jacob Morris

Imagine the amount of acceleration points we'll get if he actually gets elected.

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