/leftybritpol/ - The Ride Never Ends Edition

Grayson Turner
Grayson Turner

Don't forget, you're here forever.

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Jace Price
Jace Price

At the pace we're going, how long till the British Peoples' Republic?

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Adam Collins
Adam Collins

Mogg is a soviet sleeper asset.
Codename: Mr. Bumble.

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Eli Stewart
Eli Stewart

Why does every party and indipendent in the commons spend there time attacking labour for not supporting second ref?! I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy…

Austin Price
Austin Price

Because they don't actually care about brexit user, they just don't like Corbyn.

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

I don't think that's true. I mean, yea. they hate corbyn but these people have built there whole identity around brexit over the last few years. you know it's all there middle class friends are talking about at the dinner parties, just how awefull it is that us poor, misguided plebs voted to leave the wonderful, wonderful EU… 'I mean, just look what gains it has given us! look at our GDP!!!'

Luis Rodriguez
Luis Rodriguez

Oh that's mostly to do with Blairism mutating into Europhillia. It's best shown by "Blair's achievements" being passed off as the EU's. I've heard people say "without the EU we wouldn't have the minimum wage" which is weird because that used to be Blair's big boi thing. It's basically middle class false identity forming around ensuring they stay fine, even if it means screwing over the people before it.

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

I legit don't understand.. If they Hate brexit so much then shouldn't they be putting that at the feet of and attacking the cons, instead of laying it all on labour or directly corbyn?! It's crazy
That's because tories are dutifully playing their assigned part in the puppet theatre of bourgeois democracy, the (controlled) opposition is being sic'd on Labour because its not sticking to the (porky approved) script.

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Ian Thomas
Ian Thomas

Not Union of Britain

smh

Caleb Wood
Caleb Wood

Damn, Seamas has a nice coat. Man just gets better and better.

Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

It's funny how much he makes the Blairites mad as fuck. At this point anyone you see bitching about "The Four M's" is practically a confirmed anti-socialist.

Wyatt James
Wyatt James

SYNDIES OUT

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Luke Watson
Luke Watson

still howl that some on the far-right of the labour party think Ed Miliband was a 'trot'

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

You fuckign want some?

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Levi Anderson
Levi Anderson

Four Ms?

Jose Adams
Jose Adams

Milne and McCluskey, and the lesser known two are Andrew Murray and Karie Murphy.

Chase Barnes
Chase Barnes

DIRECT RULE FROM THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE

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Samuel Taylor
Samuel Taylor

The TUC will never yield!

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Leo Cook
Leo Cook

MILNE FOR GENERAL SECRETARY

Julian Price
Julian Price

Then it will be removed…

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Connor Perez
Connor Perez

You can't just do that!

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Thomas Ross
Thomas Ross

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John Martinez
John Martinez

Honestly I just came to the realisation that in the Kr timeline that Enoch powell would have been a Totalist and I am not sure what I think about that…

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

I am not sure what I think about that
Not much tbh.
Its simple, Totalism (totalist) is bad, Totalism (vanguardist) is good.

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Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

The brainlets really are running the asylum now, they're looking at the fucking Vienna Convention to see if they can just call do overs since no one understood that this kind of clusterfuck was possible, when any reading of it clearly states that being fucking retarded doesn't constitute a situation where its ok to ignore international treaty convention

Thomas Harris
Thomas Harris

This has to be the most specific vague statement I have ever read.

Leo Murphy
Leo Murphy

I can't be bothered with KR anymore, I've only managed to complete a CSA and UOB game, I drowned the world in my own blood as the CSA and sat on my little island shitting out planes until I unlocked nukes as the UOB

Does anyone know how to win as the great Khanate? I always end up getting shit on by the Qing or the German puppet that controls southern china

Angel James
Angel James

You're welcome

Basically they are looking at Article 62 of the vienna convention, which is the convention that governs how states treat treaties between states, and are trying to see if the absolute mess that brexit has become gives the EU and UK the option of legally acting as if the whole thing never happened, specifically because Art62 allows for no fault nullification of a treaty in situations where they've become impossible to fulfill due to unforeseen circumstances

Jaxon Price
Jaxon Price

This, probably.

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Noah Brown
Noah Brown

GF memes are cancer. i always think it's probably the kids that will grow up to be permavirgins or some shit.

Isaac Price
Isaac Price

At this point the rest of the EU is going to fuck off before us so we won't even have anything to leave.

Colton Smith
Colton Smith

EU is a dead man walking, just hasn't realized it yet.

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Angel Hall
Angel Hall

Remainer twitter is a weird and wild place
twitter.com/OFOCBrexit/status/1072510982021373952

Daniel Edwards
Daniel Edwards

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Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

a fucking LOTR reference
Now that's out of the way wasn't Mordor the industrial heart of the orc empire?

Juan Williams
Juan Williams

Listen to that shit music tho… These people are so impotent, i can't wait till they go away.. Also, whoever invented twitter and gave these people such a platform should be shot.

Isaac Jones
Isaac Jones

kinda funny

They did it by destroying the environment and the workers being just replaceable drones, fairly apropos metaphor

Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain, if Corbyn is really serious about Lexit he should convince people like me.

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain
We know, you tell us whenever you're not fighting for jihadi rights.

Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

Most Labour constituencies want it, most marginal constituencies want it.

With EU rules against government interference and nationalizations, any even remotely socialist program necessitates leaving the EU by default. Or did you intend to pretend that being left-wing is acceptable in the EU or that you are yourself left-wing?

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

Mordor was a progressive, bourgeois democratic, constitutional monarchy, spearheading the industrial revolution in middle-earth, the wholly fictitious anti-mordor narrative written by the victors is based entirely in covering up the aggression of the reactionary feudalistic western powers, dehumanising the orcish and troll peoples and the plotting of the white council and entrenched ultrareactionary {{{elven}}} interests to maintain their dominion over middle-earth.

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Oliver Clark
Oliver Clark

Oh wow, this book was very good. Havn't read it since i was a teenager. Gonna re-read or try to find audio… Thanks!!!<3

Kayden Myers
Kayden Myers

What a big man you are, campaigning for the deaths of babies and punishing people for being groomed age 15. Absolute scumbag.

The actual percentages are piddling, are we going to be held hostage because 1.5% of people wanted Brexit more than Remain 2 years ago? I mean if we're just going to play electoralist opinion poll politics why not just bring New Labour back?

France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do? The only thing that I'm aware that the EU bans is nationalisation without compensation to the current owners, which while I would support that, will never in a million years happen in this country. There's nothing that prohibits state industry or nationalistion.

Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny? Racists and xenophobes everywhere will hail the Tories as their saviours and elect them yet again, we'll be much worse off than when we started. You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs? If the popular support for that was strong enough for it to actually happen it wouldn't matter what the EU said about it to begin with.

If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why? He's hiding behind the Tories like a scondrel and hoping they'll do it so he doesn't have to.

Christopher Phillips
Christopher Phillips

What a big baby you are, always being a bitch.

Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

Ignorant cunt, don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit. You think things are bad now? Wait until we get even more like America.

Dylan Howard
Dylan Howard

Is Britain sick of debating abortion and the 15 year old girl who joined ISIS? why the fuck do people sperg out when you bring it up

Jackson Mitchell
Jackson Mitchell

why won't Corbyn commit political suicide to satisfy red liberals?

Gabriel Johnson
Gabriel Johnson

Because a lot of people on here have way too much sympathy for far right arguments/views

What he's doing now is just slow suicide, do you think the Remain camp is blind and they can't see what he's doing? Leave voters are still backing the Tories and think Corbyn is a marxist agitator so who is he trying to appeal to? If he wants a left wing Brexit he needs to actually say it, the thing people liked about Corbyn was his honesty and frankness, now his reputation is all but ruined (just look at the polls on his trustworthyness).

Leo Hernandez
Leo Hernandez

He keeps whining about it being wrong or setting a bad precedent or something to strip jihadists of their citizenship, the baby should have been brought back, fair the foreign office should have grabbed it off her and taken it back to the UK or at least intervened to get it medical care, but the mother dug her own grave

Samuel Young
Samuel Young

Because he's had every position on the EU spoonfed to him like a little baby and still insists on shitting the place up with his graun tier takes. He is quite literally, in the plainest of terms, a fucking liberal. Look at this fucking shit
France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do?
The absolute state of this faggot. I don't even know what he means by it but I know he's been BTFO by whatever it is he's trying to imply dozens of times as I can come back here after weeks and find him repeating the same shit over and over, as if nobody has ever told him before.

Leo Butler
Leo Butler

But she was underage when she took that decision, no different than being made a sex slave by someone from her own country at that age, she totally deserves another chance.

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

Far right views
People that willingly join a fascist death cult and then refuse to so much as apologize or show any genuine contrition deserve what they get

Nah fuck her, certain things are unforgivable, the death of her kid is saddening but ultimately its still her fault

Brayden Diaz
Brayden Diaz

Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.

I literally brought it up twice, sorry you can't face the consequences of what you supported.

No different from some circlejerking beer-swilling populist, don't act like people who join the army are any better than her, they at least make the decision when they're at least 18.

Robert Reed
Robert Reed

twitter.com/joncstone/status/1105375856531169280
The EU is forcing France to privatise 150 dams. Corbyn wants to nationalise british electrical production infrastructure.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.
You've had it explained to you plenty of times you lying little cunt.

Henry Moore
Henry Moore

Yes, I've heard you say it plenty of times, but as I said, I've yet to see real proof. How is it my fault I can't understand it when the so called left wing Brexit crowd is trying to hide in the shadows and not explain anything to the public?

Okay, that's something, I appreciate that, though I feel like it might be difficult to separate out in that case the difference between the EU actually mandating it and the French government using it as an excuse to do something they would like to anyway.

"This is required because since 2006 EDF has been a state owned commercial company rather than a pure public service with special status (that structural change itself was made in response to EU rule liberalising the energy market) and so can’t get preferential treatment"

I'd like to understand this bit better as well. I mean we have a big EDF office in my city, it's hardly like it's an old style national industry.

Robert Green
Robert Green

Today's proposed 2nd ref amendment has been defeated hard style
334 Noes 85 Ayes

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

I've yet to see real proof
WHY YOU ALWAYS LYING?
www.caef.org.uk/d113rylml.html

David Perry
David Perry

If every Labour MP had voted for the amendment, it would have still failed.

Charles Scott
Charles Scott

don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit.

implying your significant enough to be blamed for anything, let alone fucking brexit.

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Ryan Wright
Ryan Wright

Yeah I know, pretty funny that 25 ish of them decided to rebel against the whip anyway
There's no better way to show your independence and daring than rebelling on a totally safe and utterly pointless vote

Luke Baker
Luke Baker

BREAK THE CHAINS

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Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

Again though the government wanted to privatise British Mail anyway so is it really so clearcut? I appreciate this but I still am not really convinced, you've proposed two cases where 1. the EDF was part-privatised because the government wanted to, and now is being forced to compete since it is not fully state owned, 2. the EU may have helped make Royal Mail less profitable (not that there are any sources for this) but the government wanted to privatise it anyway so isn't it a moot point?

As has been pointed out, some EU countries completely ignore certain rules like Italy and Greece so even if they put a demand to Corbyn, which I'm still not totally convinced they would, does he really have to abide by it?

And of course COBRA has been calling you up personally to consult, it's a turn of phrase twat.

When is Labour's proposed vote on an extension then? They do realise there's only 2 weeks left?

Julian Long
Julian Long

If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why?
I think he just trying to keep the Remainers and the Leave/North together with a compromise. Really any actual Lexit has to start with with a slight from EU against Corbyn when he enacts his plans to re-nationalize everything

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

extension was voted down
OH FUCK NO DEAL IS HAPPENING

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

Yes… YES!!!

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Isaac Gomez
Isaac Gomez

Nigga, I'm a Totalist

Brandon Lopez
Brandon Lopez

based bongs

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Evan Rivera
Evan Rivera

Well the amendments have been voted down, there's still the general gov motion on the extension.
Not all totalists are equal.

Luis Cox
Luis Cox

The gov motion for an extension passed.

Dominic Bennett
Dominic Bennett

For how long?

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Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Nobody knows

Blake Nelson
Blake Nelson

I didn't realise that was even happening today.

It's extended til 30th of June.

What a pisstake. Will things be any different by then?

Luis Barnes
Luis Barnes

Its only going to be applying for an extension to the 30th June if the May deal gets approved by the 20th (next week's vote) which is won't, then they'll apply for a longer one.

Nolan Gutierrez
Nolan Gutierrez

Will things be any different by then?

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Jackson Morris
Jackson Morris

I heard rumors that one of the nation states (Italy?) may veto it when they vote on

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

Doesn't the EU have to agree to an extension?

Lucas Long
Lucas Long

Labour Shia coalition when?

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Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

How likely is the Irish Republic getting another 6 counties because of Tory stupidity?

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

Likelyhood grows by the day

David Gomez
David Gomez

What are we going to do if it doesn't work out lads?

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Kayden Nguyen
Kayden Nguyen

Everyone move to the Shetland islands and start a commune waheyy

Hunter Nelson
Hunter Nelson

Join the SDP and shill for socialism as nationalism because then it might as well be.

William Green
William Green

mobile.twitter.com/graceterbrock/status/1105846597366304768
yfw Peppa Pig is actually a whitehall psyop to engender britishisms into american culture.

Logan Roberts
Logan Roberts

read a few kr timelines and AARs
lawrence coup against the TYRANNICAL mosley
restores the united KINGDOM

i fucking hate how many normies have found kr since hoi4

David Turner
David Turner

Anyone have any experience with CPGB-ML? They're one of the few parties (other than Labour) that actually seem to do shit near me. I know they have the whole "Stalin portraits" thing going on but honestly that doesn't really bother me that much.

Julian Mitchell
Julian Mitchell

They have a weird thing against LGBT movements. Obviously rainbow capitalism is shit but they take it pretty far. Labour probably has more possibilities to doing good stuff but it is really dependant were you are
Congress therefore resolves that the propagation of identity politics, including LGBT ideology, being reactionary and anti-working class and a harmful distraction and diversion from the class struggle of the proletariat for its social emancipation, is incompatible with membership of the party, rendering those involved in its promotion liable to expulsion.

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

Yeah. I still find myself agreeing with them on a lot.

Any idea how amenable Labour is to Marxist ideas at the local level, in general at least? Obviously it'll vary from CLP to CLP, but I've heard people talking about hearing Marxist ideas discussed in their CLPs before. I have some (hopefully understandable) reservations about Labour, hence my preference for CPGB-ML, but thinking about it a little more attending the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

I really like Rob Griffiths, the current General Sectretary. He's appeared on Desolation Radio(a podcast about Marxism in Wales) a few times and each time I've come away respecting him and his the CPGB more, so I'm similarly interested.

One point I'm uncertain on is the vehement anti-EU stance which has allowed them to grouped together with UKIP and other right-wing shitheads. I don't entirely disagree with Lexit and shit but I don't know if the average person has patience to understand the differences in the viewpoints

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

I think Rob Griffiths is with CPB, rather than CPGB-ML. And I dunno. "The EU is an obstacle to worker's power due to the structure of its constitution" vs. "the EU is bad because muh immigrunts" seems a fairly simple concept to grasp, no?

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

From my personal experience I've been at a momentum meeting (all Labour party members) and the topic of nationalisation came up. All of the people there were critical of Labours past nationalisation policies and were talking about how the nationalised industries need to be run by workers councils instead of from Westminster. There were even a couple of M-Ls there. So Marxism is expectable I guess how much you have to hide it being Marxism depends where you are though.
There are so many splinter groups who the fuck knows anymore
CPGB-ML
CBGB
CPB
RCPB-ML
CBGB-PC

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

Tbh theres great doc on yt about the dissolution of the CPGB. It is kinda weird ngl.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

Capitalist realism personified

Leo Edwards
Leo Edwards

This is mostly itself because of idpol from the Brar family

Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

You'd think it was entryism with the CLPs, but it's actually just people unironically radicalizing organically, it's actually pretty impressive since this has all happened within the space of a couple of years and shows no sign of slowing down.

Landon Green
Landon Green

Yeah, its really quite weird tbh. I remember a newsnight programme back in 2015 asking if marx was making a comeback: now im pretty sure stuff is decently well known.

Alexander James
Alexander James

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James Miller
James Miller

Interesting, then. I dunno how active my local Momentum are, but my CLP is definitely kicking. If nothing else I figure it's a decent opportunity to get a bit of experience, no?
That entire blog is pretty good tbh: scarfolk.blogspot.com/

Caleb Reyes
Caleb Reyes

Direct rule from Jezza's allotment tbh

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Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny?
In the one post-referendum election we've had, Labour increased their vote share by nearly 10 points. But somehow you are the only person still clinging to this pre-referendum Remainer talking point that Brexit means endless right-wing government.

You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs?
Settling for piss-weak social democracy, or holding out for socialism? Tough one, that.

This is necessary though. You can't allow idpol to get any foothold or it will gradually take over your org.

the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.
Where are the meetings and where do you live?

I think most of those groups are dead. CPB and CPGB-ML are the only significant ones. The latter has very few members apparently but they punch above their weight.

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

Eh CPB has like ~700 members, for reference the SSP is assUmed to have about 3k. Organisationally trots have outnumbered MLs since the 50s.

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

I know the CPB doesn't have many either, but from what I've read the CPGB-ML literally has <100.

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

newstatesman.com/2019/03/inside-acrimonious-battle-lines-royal-family-fandom
Lamo Monarchy Stans.

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

Yeah, sounds about right.

Carson Phillips
Carson Phillips

The battle for Carlism will be fought on the fronts of Instagram

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

Where are the meetings
Birmingham.
and where do you live?
Call it Dudley I guess.

Jackson Davis
Jackson Davis

living in the post-industrial hell hole that is the Black country

Jonathan Richardson
Jonathan Richardson

Isn't that about 10 miles? I shouldn't really be surprised that it would take so long, given the absolute state of public transport. I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift, without necessarily admitting to why you're going to Birmingham.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

Far-right terorism in Surrey. One injured.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47605547

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

How embarrassing must it be that bad of a terrorist.

Henry Cox
Henry Cox

Why do i have a feeling this is just gonna be the start after Christchurch…

Nicholas Edwards
Nicholas Edwards

/pol/yp boomers armed with kitchen knives are now throwing themselves at teenagers in an attempt to do the terrorisms
the absolute state

Parker Cox
Parker Cox

I suppose you could ask someone to give you a lift
Don't really know anyone who'd be willing to do it consistently tbh. Ah well.

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

So this is the power of the right?

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

Couple of interesting videos with Costas over the past few days by RNN, in which he attempts to explain to Americans what exactly Brexit is all about, could be useful for some of our Burger friends. For background, Costas is a Marxist and a Professor in London, he was directly involved with Syriza and was an outspoken critic of their Betrayal and left that party when it happened, so he certainly has experience when it comes to the EU question. Mostly surface level stuff for the lads here but I think he's pretty much correct.
youtu.be/jh65ee5U9Kk
youtu.be/oIxKXj97EcE

Gabriel Ramirez
Gabriel Ramirez

Thoughts on James bloodworth? On one hand he fucking demolishes neoliberalism to its core, on the otherhand he is such a melt.

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

They're somehow more impotent than the Weather Underground and Red Army Faction were back in the 70's

Grayson Ramirez
Grayson Ramirez

thank you based tube user!

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

I genuinely can't tell if this is ironic or not, isn't hooktube fucked now, otherwise I would have used that.

James Ramirez
James Ramirez

mobile.twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1106878905225543681
So it appears we may being heading towards a firemen's strike.

Christian Turner
Christian Turner

Firemen are fucking awesome

Ethan Young
Ethan Young

I sometimes think about that. There's something fascinating about somsone's job literally being to fight against a force of nature and rescue people from it - not in the abstract like a paramedic, where you fight against sickness, injury and disease, but directly, where you fight against fire.
It remains interesting to me that former SNP leader Jim Sillars was a fireman.

William Cooper
William Cooper

If you can slide down the Midlands Metro, we have an interesting (unaffiliated) little group in Wolvo. Seatch for 'Cognitive Dissidents'.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

Hooktube gives the video a view now unfortunately, but it is useful if you want to watch something on YouTube without it affecting your suggested videos for all fucking eternity.

Nicholas Thompson
Nicholas Thompson

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_firefighter_dispute_2002–03
Remember that time they shat on Blair?
Honestly it's weird how everyone forgets they exist, like people will die for the NHS or shill for someone who shot unarmed protestors because they had camo on, but Fire Fighters just get ignored.
Still, if there is a strike: I hope to use it to organise in my town where the tory PCC is trying to shut down out local firestation.

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

Bercow refusing a third Meaningful Vote
O FORTUNA

Cooper Gomez
Cooper Gomez

So is Maybot going to just push for an extension promising a different deal or is this constitutional crisis going to make all hell break loose and give us a general election?

Jace Bennett
Jace Bennett

Honestly, May might call an election or a referendum now.

Grayson Watson
Grayson Watson

Here to Wolverhampton is even further. All I could find were a couple of Facebook posts about a radical film club, would that be it?
We're hitting proper crisis territory, aren't we.

Speaking of crises, was re-reading Left Wing Communism and found pic related pretty interesting. I know this thread is pretty pro-Corbyn, but what do you lads think of pushing for a Labour government in order to allow workers first-hand experience with the flaws and limitations of social democracy? Don't think I've ever seen it bought up here and it's something I've been wondering about for a while. I know CPB are supportive of Labour, but I'm not sure what character their support for them takes on; whether they genuinely believe a Labour government would build socialism in the long run or what. The section in their programme on the limitations of social democracy makes me think it's more like pic related, but yeah.

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Hunter Young
Hunter Young

admit you're hitting crisis territory
be worried Corby will cuck out like other SuccDems
You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees, because he is expecting to wake up.

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Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

need to figure out how to be funny
keep wanting to write fiction but i'm always derailed by a cack-handed moralism driven by half-baked understandings of leftist theory.
i can see the way out: put the moralising to one side, let the dynamics of the system roll as they do in real life, and don't fear making the bad guy likeable or the protagonist a liberal. but that's easier said than done.

Jonathan Garcia
Jonathan Garcia

Are you saying you have faith in Corbyn's Labour building socialism here, or what? I don't really speak video game references
even if max payne was pretty fucking good

Brody Brooks
Brody Brooks

Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.

Aiden Turner
Aiden Turner

There’s been lots of stories published in the past few days about Corbyn resigning. If he steps down now there’s a good chance a moderate with half his talent will take leadership. I wouldn’t mind it being someone like Starmer or McDonnell, but they just don’t have Corbyn’s appeal.

Do you think there’s any truth to all these rumours?

Xavier Ramirez
Xavier Ramirez

Either be worried about the game playing out in a shitty way, OR about the table the game is being played on being flipped. Not both.

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

Saying that Corbyn wants to retire has got to be one of the lamest smear ever.
I mean Tom Watson isn't exactly the imaginative type

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

Pretty sure these rumours have been around for some time. Most likely he will stick it out until another general election, if he wins he will probably only stay PM for a year or so. I don't think he will want to go until it is clear who will replace him from the left

Hunter Rivera
Hunter Rivera

I wouldn't be surprised tbh, the antisemitism thing over the summer really fucking hit him hard. Also I remember reading in an interview years back that he only wanted "to be in government for a few years anyways".
As for potential successors, there are actually a good crop of lefties that could do a good job. Honestly the whole project will remain as-long-as McDonnell is Chancellor tho. It really helps that a load of the Blairites just autopurged tho.
As for who could be leader, there is quite a selection, with the lower requirements I am sure we will have a couple of great successors to choose from.
Eh I think he may resign just after May, if brexit happens ofc.

Easton Bennett
Easton Bennett

He has got to ride out at least one more GE…

Robert Morris
Robert Morris

This is what me and other lads have argued multiple times, we've had long conversations about this in other /leftybritpol/ threads. You understand this is the logical conclusion of Marxism-Benninism right? Benn's project was always about creating the adequate conditions for a transition to Socialism, be that through "non-reformist reforms" (I.E reforms not for the sake of merely improving the conditions of the Working Class Temporarily, but those that make both Working Class & Communist organization more tenable), instilling consciousness into the Working Class that there is an alternative and it relies upon them, Letting them experience the limitations of Social Democracy themselves etc. etc. The Corbyn wing of the party is fully aware of these developments; they're just kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. I've personally argued that this strategy is infinitely more viable now than ever simply because the policy adopted to dismantle Social Democracy & subjugate Labour to Capital (Neoliberalism or whatever you want to call it, I have problems with this term on a few levels) was essentially done in response to different crises brought about by secular decline in profit rates. This has gotten so bad in the wake of the 2008 crisis that it literally is impossible to enact even Social Democratic reforms; and a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition. I think "Hiding their power level" is pretty much always used as an exercise in wishful thinking, but this is the most applicable case I've seen. The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.

Daniel Miller
Daniel Miller

WEll another major part of it is that Benn correctly identified that the institutions (both governmental and societal) are run by the same sort of aristocrats that ran them 300 years ago. Unlike the whole of continental Europe, or even America tbh (remember that civil war?), we have never had a "hard reset" on our country. So the point was that even in a full-blown, balls to the wall February-October style revolution that due to how inherently ingrained this elite is into all of our institutions that it would not be possible to dislodge. As such, somewhat like Lenin's dual power, but over a far larger scale. This elite needs to be usurped through the erosion of their economic power. As such, non-reformist reforms.

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

Yeah I'm pretty sure he will ride out one more election. My money is on one being at the end of this year.

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

I dunno tho, we have to ask the question will Corbyn stay until 2022? I doubt that tbh.

Gavin Sanchez
Gavin Sanchez

Yeah I'm not completely well read on all the specifics of the structure of the ruling class with relation to the aristocracy but this is something that a lot of British Communists have spoken about, even Cockshott has his whole thing about expropriating land & means from Lords having a constitutional basis insofar as they're provided those resources by the Monarchy because they're supposed to provide a standing army. A hell of a lot of the British Ruling Class genuinely is still descended from the Fuedal Aristocracy, you can find multiple Billionaires with large stakes in various Firms & Industries.

Christian Price
Christian Price

Literally Cameron is the descendant of King William IV (ofc illegitimately).

Adrian Myers
Adrian Myers

What goes wrong with brintbong, leftist, frendos?

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Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

Willing to bet its is all her fault tbh.

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Zachary Carter
Zachary Carter

But why though?

Asher Moore
Asher Moore

I mean you don't even have to go back to the 19th century but yeah, the fact that the Aristocracy in Britain seamlessly transitioned into their new position as Bourgeoisie and maintained all of their institutions is a large part of why Class is perceived in a specific way in Britain that isn't really comparable to the majority of other developed Imperial Core countries. It'd be interesting to dig directly into the holdings of every single House of Lords member, I actually vaguely remember someone making a thread about that a couple of years back.

Samuel Bennett
Samuel Bennett

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful. for almost any other human being i can find something to occupy the side of the scale opposite their black, black hearts. Not Thatcher. I could mount a better defence of any other monster to any other audience than I could Margaret Thatcher. Even the most gluttonous capitalist can at least be admired, in a perverse sense, for embodying some occasionally comical sense of disgust. At every turn where she could be admirable Thatcher succeeded in ducking and dodging and ensuring there would be nothing about her worth liking.

It cannot be forgotten that our country produced this singularly irredeemable person. That is a very disturbing development. The yanks at least gave Reagan a sort of fake, grandfatherly personableness. We're used to thinking of yankism as the lowest of the low, but they did a better job. Dear me.

Benjamin Lopez
Benjamin Lopez

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful

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Bentley Lee
Bentley Lee

UK has 'wrost quality of life in Europe'

We're Number 1 waheeey get on it lads!!!

Noah Green
Noah Green

a genuine push for Social Democracy will brazenly show the contradictions to mobilized working people and that beyond the contempt that the Bourgeoisie have for them, is a real set of systemic laws that force opposition
pipe dreams

Owen Evans
Owen Evans

You think that the working class will turn to Fascism when Labour fail then? Because if you believe that to be the case then you better start preparing to fight them. By the way, I'm not arguing that we as Communists should throw our active support behind Labour, rather we should work with them when it is directly beneficial but otherwise ruthlessly critique them as usual; what I am arguing for though, is to heavily shadow them and start seriously organizing because we can see the fallout, and we must be there to guide workers.

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

i'm still awestruck that such a singularly dislikable person actually existed. i can think of nobody, nobody that is such a singularity of awful.
Think better.
t. French user

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Dylan Ward
Dylan Ward

Macron has the benefit of being a symptom of liberal collapse in his destruction of the french two-party system and consolidating the forces of liberalism into one party of useless, inept hacks. There's something farcical and poetic in him as an element of the historical narrative, he's the sort of villain who we relish in fighting and defeating, whereas Thatcher was just pure uncompromising evil being malevolent for its own sake.

Cooper Adams
Cooper Adams

Macron is more of a comedic character, totally out of his depth, a retarded child pretending to be a god emperor,

Blake Harris
Blake Harris

He's at least funny. Like, he's a terrible horrible person and leader - but he's redeemed by his arrogance. Thatcher thought she was better than royalty, but it wasn't an entertaining part of her character like it was for the Jupeterian president with ideas too complicated for journalists. Thatcher is redeemed by nothing.

Gabriel Taylor
Gabriel Taylor

Don't suppose anyone's got a PDF of Mark Fisher's posthumous book?

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

I don't quite see how entering into a constitutional crisis now and the inability of a theoretical future Labour government to build socialism are interlinked, though. Maybe I'm just being slow here.
The Task of Communists like CPB is to be ready and waiting when the cracks in Electoral Strategy start to show and Labour are forced into Betrayals.
Pretty much what I was getting at in that post, yeah.
pipe dreams
Alright, but d'you mind expanding on your line of thought here?

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

What's all this shit? It's the first I've heard about it.

Jeremiah James
Jeremiah James

I don't know if Cornish independence is realistic or worth it, but it sure is funny

Luis Jackson
Luis Jackson

No one will ever believe me but I have a vivid memory of being about 5 years old in Finsbury Park where I was with my dad but I wandered off on my own.

I remember the sunny day started with me being at an area with a bunch of rocks where there was some sort of terrible amateur comedy play down in the center of the rocks with a bunch of men were wearing shopping bags on their heads and I was shouting "boo" and "this isnt funny" and all the adults in these coliseum type seats were turning around and shouting at me "shut up you little shit" and the swearies scared me off.

I went back to the Finsbury Park cafe, which I remember having a Walls logo on it and there were a bunch of tables in front and this really, really fat woman had this plate of chips that were covered in ketchup that looked really good and I asked her could I have a chip, and she said with a mouthful of chips in anger "Grrrno!!! these are my chips and you can get your own!" and I kept saying "but its just one chip and you've got a whole plate of them" and she said started actually pulling the plate closer to her and shielding it with her big fat arms and I was putting my hand out and saying "It's just one chip" and she started screaming on the verge of crying to leave her chips alone and let her eat in peace. I said "You're really mean" and walked into the cafe where I knew my dad was.

Inside was my dad and his friend Jeremy Corbyn who had a suitcase and a painting in a plastic cover he was selling my dad. My dad was drinking tea and I think Corbyn was drinking a cappuccino. I complained to my dad that the woman outside wouldn't give me a chip and she had a really big plate of them.

Jeremy opened up his wallet and said "You're old enough now you can go buy yourself your own chips." and gave me a ten pound note and I didn't know anything about money and had never bought anything before. He told me to go over and ask for chips and give the man the ten pound note. I felt intense anxiety but I braved up and said "can I have chips" to the man at the counter and I think he was foreign and he gave me a chop chic mint ice cream cone and a load of change. I thought the ice cream was even better but was really upset because I didn't understand change and thought the guy had ripped me off and that money was like coupons that you showed and you just got stuff. I went over and complained to Jeremy that the man took all my money and he just about managed to explain how change worked to me while I was on the verge of tears thinking the ice cream man had stolen my money and given me less money. I went back to the counter and took my mint choc chip ice cream and the change and went back to the table, the man at the counter, my dad and Jeremy were laughing at me.

Also he gave the suitcase to my dad along with the painting and when I got home it had a Commodore 64 with literally all the games in it.

Hope you enjoyed my story.

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Sebastian Harris
Sebastian Harris

Also I told Jeremy Corbyn that I really liked Action Man and I asked him did he know about Action Man. I remember him telling me about how AK-47s work in technical detail that went over my head. I kept saying "But what about bazookas" and he kept saying "I don't know", I think I said that about 10 times and he got annoyed. But he told me about how grenades work. He did a drawing of one and pointed at the 'spoon' and said you had to hold it and pull the pin out and hold it really tightly and throw it. He said if you dropped it after you pulled the pin you should run away as fast as you can. He didn't explain why and I didn't understand mortality at this point.

I remember a year later being the bath after eating 2 packets of sugar-free polo mints and it giving me a really bad stomach ache and having a really horrible existential crisis when I realize everyone dies one day including mummy and daddy. I got so upset that I poured all the shampoos and shower gels into the bath and fluffed it up which turned the whole bathroom into a big giant bubble bath that poured out of the door and I was crying and screamed at my parents that you and we are all going to die one day and so am I.

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Ayden Morales
Ayden Morales

Also does anyone know the name of these C64 games:

- One where it's like a bunch of multicoloured rockets firing off from a city, or it might be that the city buildings were multicoloured
- One where you drive around in a futuristic tron car in first-person view and it's like this wireframe world that looked cool as hell
- One where you play as an astronaut that's floating around, I think it was weird like a tethered spacewalk
- A super complex first person spacecraft game where you had a head-up display and cockpit (this might my impression of it as a kid, it might have been a flight sim set at night, it was too heavy on keyboard binds but my dad would let me use the joystick while he was pressing the keyboard commands and we actually got good at it even though you had to use the keyboard a lot

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Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

You think that the working class will turn to Fascism when Labour fail then?
yes
Alright, but d'you mind expanding on your line of thought here?
when has that ever happened? there will be no falling of scales from eyes, they'll just get the newest model of scales from scales inc.

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

Eh the claim that they are an organic nation is neither here nor there, they would be like the smallest country that isn't a microstate in Europe. Also they are poor as shit.

John Williams
John Williams

This is a good copypasta.

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

So it appears May is going to apply for a 3 months extension.

Ian Parker
Ian Parker

I think we just go for maximum chaos at this point and give every county it's own independence vote.

Angel Wood
Angel Wood

Tbh if May gets an extension, I think the tory brexiteer voters are gonna go full Dolchstosslegende and abandon them. Get hype.

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

It looks like this is being taken out of the Prime Minister's hands. Emanuel Macron of France has said enough is enough, he will oppose any extension of Article 50 in Council tomorrow
youtu.be/gkTb9GP9lVI
MACRON THE ABSOLUTE FUCKING MADMAN

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

Seriously, the choice is now No Deal vs May's deal: i put 70% chance on the former.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

I hope all you middle class brits are enjoying this bourgoies spectacle. Brexit ey! What a disaster! Let's just go back to how it was, the stable years of mr blair.

Parker Mitchell
Parker Mitchell

So, are you prepared to fight Fascism or are you just another defeatist/sour grapes american?

Jacob Nelson
Jacob Nelson

The worst thing about this bollocks is that if No Deal happens we're literlaly just going to get an even shittier May deal a few months down the line when the government is going to be forced to go crawling back to the EU with literally 0 power to dictate anything and take that big neoliberal cock up our arses. Of course, the upside is that the Tory party would disintegrate even faster than if May's deal passed, but I'm not sure I want a politics of ressentiment to motivate us because then this country actually will turn to Fascism if all you have is a completely Disempowered Socdem party and the Communists aren't prepared.

Landon Smith
Landon Smith

If things are powered by resentment there is a hope with the SDP, who are basically centre-Nazbols but I agree with you. A no deal means the death of the Corbyn project.

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

So God-Emperor Macron is channelling De Gaulle and intending on blocking May's application for extending article 50, No Deal ahoy!

Leo Lewis
Leo Lewis

middle class brits
interesting deduction. so how many people do you know who are losing their jobs over this shit?

Eli Ortiz
Eli Ortiz

Reports May is gonna speak tonight, she's gonna announce something I hope.

Gabriel Nelson
Gabriel Nelson

Macron getting guillotined right after a no deal Brexit would be so goddamn funny

Grayson Hughes
Grayson Hughes

The user as right we are living in Kaiserreich

Daniel Walker
Daniel Walker

Nah fam, French Revolution rn would be like the Coalition wars but with a stronger Germany and a weaker Britain

Parker Perez
Parker Perez

this country actually will turn to Fascism
Don't be such a drama queen.

the Tory party would disintegrate even faster
if all you have is a completely Disempowered Socdem party and the Communists aren't prepared.
I don't know how you reconcile these two statements.

Grayson Ortiz
Grayson Ortiz

I don't know how you reconcile these two statements.
Because fascism arises when there is no genuine working class movement?

Logan Campbell
Logan Campbell

Well it's not quite so simple, depends on whether an Extension is offered in exchange for something big like a GE or 2nd Vote, but the thing is those would also completely destroy the Tory party. It's very strange that Macron is doing this because he was actually advising May that she could use Citizen's Assemblies to avoid a GE or Ref, not sure what his game is, us mere plebs can't understand JVPITER I guess.

Really the question is about the specifics of exactly how the Tories disintegrate and whether the Nationalist wing are subverted by a real Far Right or whether they corral people back into Liberalism. Johnson, Mogg etc talk a big game but they're Etonians at heart and they're not willing to go the whole way to turn the Tories into Far-Right party (Although I guess keeping an eye on Bannon who is attempting to buddy up to Johnson is a good idea), it wouldn't fly with MPs, Membership or Donors, for them Nationalism is just a divide & conquer tactic.

If the struggle in the Tories is somehow won by a genuine Far Right then No Deal could potentially not completely kill Corbyn but then you're stuck dealing with an Alliance between the actual Fascist parts of British Society & Tories. I really don't see it happening, it's pretty clear that no matter what happens the Right is going to be infighting for years to come and the Far Right groups that are trying to Infiltrate UKIP or exist outside of Politics at all aren't even willing to run MEP candidates which is something that they would have to do if there's an extension of any kind. Why would they enter back into mainstream politics when there's no chance of even assured influence, to me the figureheads of any kind of Far-Right sentiment that's adjacent to Parliamentary Politics are fundamentally all Sheepdogs. The actual Far-Right threat is outside of Politics and I don't think you'll see these people start to sway the Ruling Class until Labour seizes power and somehow actually starts being able to pass serious reform whilst radicalizing further, which is a whole other conversation.

The resentment thing is kind of complicated because that's essentially what motivated Brexit for a lot of the British Working Class far and beyond any kind of serious commitment to Racism or whatever, the big question is how you assuage that feeling; we have plenty of Working Class people that are moving Far Left but we have an equal amount that are moving Far-Right, and it's really strange to see actual Working Class people being swayed by Fascist ideology when there is a increasingly Left Wing alternative, it's not something that has historically been seen before, usually it's the abscence, removal or failure of the Left that prompts it. Guess that just goes to show how fucking disenfranchised people are with Bourgeois Politics and how deep the rot has set in. There are genuinely a minority of people in this country that would reject every single genuine effort in their interests if they could just get rid of "Immigrants" or whatever, and these people aren't Lumpen or Petit-Bourg. It's fucking wild that you'd let your children starve just to get rid of the browns. I think the majority of people though have seen what a farce Brexit has been and still don't quite understand it all because none of the real question are being asked about it; they just want it over with. I don't think centre-NazBol is an option because it just temporarily puts off the problem and strikes an almost Faustian Bargain. It doesn't cut off the resentment at the root and actually plays into it, which leaves it possible for it to rear it's head again when the actual serious crises set in. Brexit is absolutely nothing compared to the next Global Crash, the threat of ecological collapse, the ramping up of the next Imperialist War etc. I think you have to just go even further hardline left and offer real tangible benefits to the majority of the Working Class that is just kind of tired of Brexit, and I think the death of the Tory party will give Labour the opportunity to normalize that, they just need to ride it out and not fuck up, which is really hard for SocDems, they just need to buy the Communists time.

Colton Flores
Colton Flores

you are being retarded, as a frenchman, our last 15years of privatisation and labor law gutting are straight out of the commission recomandations. the eu was conceived as a liberal tool, and you straight cant do meaningful socdem reforms in it.

Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

I meant how do you see the Tories disintegrating but the Left also being 'completely disempowered'? Although I don't see how you can develop a genuine working class movement without exposing neoliberalism and the Right as being bad for the working class, which a hard Brexit does admirably.

Citizen's Assemblies
This is just such a stupid idea. Not surprised to see Gordon Brown enthusing about it, it's almost a parody of a Gordon Brown initiative in its gimmicky uselessness.

could potentially not completely kill Corbyn
Still not seeing why a Tory-run economic crash is bad news for Corbyn.

Brody Barnes
Brody Barnes

oh and you fucking defend privatising dams? just fucking kys liberal son of a bitch, I honestly want treason charges against someone that try to pull such shit
edf has been privatised to comply with the eu btw , same as gdf or orange,
price have raised and quality declined.

Kevin Jones
Kevin Jones

This is just such a stupid idea. Not surprised to see Gordon Brown enthusing about it, it's almost a parody of a
Eh they work quite well in Ireland and Cuba.

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

Still not seeing why a Tory-run economic crash is bad news for Corbyn.
Because people will still blame Corbyn for it. There was a poll showing that if brexit fails 60% of leavers will put Corbyn was responsible.

Julian Cook
Julian Cook

Yeah I agree Citizen's Assemblies is retarded. As far as the crash thing, it's me just laying out worst case scenarios. Like realistically the Tories are going to hand shit on a Plate to Corbyn, the problem is if they go for No Deal, the Nationalist wing wrangles enough control to keep away from a GE until they eventually capitulate and go back to the EU after everything is fucked with an actual dogshit deal and we're fucked beyond the point of Corbyn being able to do anything. There's some other stuff but that's just speculation into the future. Essentially I agree, Tories are crashing this fucking plane with no survivors and Labour are going to be given every opportunity, they just need a GE.

Jaxon Robinson
Jaxon Robinson

How can it be applied to this situation? We've already had a referendum. The various options are already well understood. And even if the Assemblies somehow delivered a decisive result in favour of one course of action, that decision would have no legitimacy in the eyes of its opponents. It just seems like Remainers are hoping to nullify or blur the referendum result tbh.

Source? It would be highly unusual for voters to blame the Opposition for economic troubles. Also 60% of Leavers would only equal about 30% of the electorate.

an actual dogshit deal and we're fucked beyond the point of Corbyn being able to do anything
I can imagine the deal being bad in terms of trade, but how could it be more restrictive than what we have now?

Hudson White
Hudson White

I don't see the "Great Replacement" right taking over the tories, mostly because they have bled rightwards already (UKIP is openly the political wing of Tommy Robinson, and if you look at the tory membership that kind of sentiment never makes its way up through the ranks due to the inherent oligarchy that is the tory party). What I can see is someone who is Orbanesque taking over, which I think will inherently fail in British politics because parties like Fidez, PiS, AKP got power was because they were initially anti-establishment; it is impossible for the tories to be that.
What I am more worried about is pro-brexit working class people moving towards the street politics of the EDL. I'm from the three counties: What Robinson was doing in 2013 only stopped because he didn't have much of a base to draw from. "Demand brexit rallies" that deliberately antagonise the asian population of this area (which is the minority despite what people say) is gonna cause reactionary racial tension that will set back about a decade's worth of progress.

Ethan Cox
Ethan Cox

Source? It would be highly unusual for voters to blame the Opposition for economic troubles. Also 60% of Leavers would only equal about 30% of the electorate.
Sorry, I mean brexit not happening, not a no deal.

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Grayson Taylor
Grayson Taylor

I mean by that measure they consider everyone who voted remain to have about as much responsibility for Brexit not happening so I think we can safely dismiss this statistic as plain bonkers.

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

How can it be applied to this situation? We've already had a referendum. The various options are already well understood. And even if the Assemblies somehow delivered a decisive result in favour of one course of action, that decision would have no legitimacy in the eyes of its opponents. It just seems like Remainers are hoping to nullify or blur the referendum result tbh.
Well Varoufakis' idea is that you get a citizens' assembly of all sorts of people, and you ascertain what they want from brexit in both abstract conceptual forms and policy. And then you take that to the EU to get a proper deal. Think with citizens' assemblies is that they don't actually take that long once organised, like you could have a fucking load within a week with only a month or so of planning. And even if it triggers some leavers and remainers, since it will be based on a good consensus of the people it will also be accepted by apprehensive MPs. But this is the kind of thing you should do in the first 3 months of the breit procedure, not now.

Ethan Wright
Ethan Wright

Interesting

twitter.com/britainelects/status/1108454464321671169

Thomas Adams
Thomas Adams

Tbh during an actual campaign, I imagine things will move towards the deal.

Jackson Bennett
Jackson Bennett

What a useless speech. Why does she even bother covering her arse like this, her days are numbered anyway.

William Cruz
William Cruz

I don't understand why May was acting like we won't be leaving on the 29th. Haven't the EU said that we can't have an extension unless we pass the deal? And if we pass the deal why would we need an extension?

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

What if Brexit isn't real and you're being shadow-Brexited? Like you get a separate freeview/sat and your ISP has you sequestered in a shadow-Brexit world where it never happened.

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

vox.com/2019/3/20/18273440/brexit-extension-drama-explained-theresa-may

May’s plan, according to her letter, is to get her Brexit deal through Parliament on a third vote and use the remaining time to allow Parliament to pass that international agreement into domestic law.

Someone explain this to me. I don't get what they mean by turning the international agreement to domestic law.

Adam Rivera
Adam Rivera

Also why would they need the extension if they already passed May's deal. I thought the extension was needed because May thought she could get the votes with more time to pass this abortion of a deal through.

Christopher Morales
Christopher Morales

Don't worry lads, the liberals have started a petition to stop brexit. That will really show them.

Zachary Cooper
Zachary Cooper

A load of legislation needs to be passed to change how the uk funcrions due to the deal.

David Hernandez
David Hernandez

It really dawned on me while walking to uni that in a week's time we may be having food shortages what a fucking world.

Isaiah Adams
Isaiah Adams

Can someone please hurry up an organise mass revolution and slaughter these cunts in Parliament we need Guido Fawkes more than ever currently

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Adam Williams
Adam Williams

I did find some polling, rather limited blowback for corbyn.

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Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

What a degenerate image

Wyatt Smith
Wyatt Smith

thetimes.co.uk/article/army-boss-lieutenant-general-sir-mark-mans-joined-company-after-it-won-disastrous-deal-fzczktdg0?fbclid=IwAR2GpoOz75aCzFNK9C4P0I0FdwQOLSJuRk9FAcoNV1Gmc_b5ogf3NGBb074
Well it appears the Army's corrupt.

Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

shock horror

Chase Cox
Chase Cox

I'd be more surprised if it wasn't.

Owen Morales
Owen Morales

Lamo reports are that the army is down to 76k men. For reference that's the size of Greece's.

Brayden Lewis
Brayden Lewis

Source on that lad?
Wouldn't be surprised though there have been cuts to all sections of the state and it would even including the police.

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1108681759720435712
It has more to do with capita being fucking shit at their job: my mate who tried to join the army said they kept on losing medical documents and shit like that.

Dylan Edwards
Dylan Edwards

To be fair Greece actually has a comparatively large army and spending for being a country of 10 million due to tensions and fairly recent conflicts with T*rkey - Portugal has 35k, Sweden has 34.5k (both having similar populations to Greece). Poland as a country of 38 million has an army of 100k. In that sense the UK is following the trend of outsourcing the dirty business to the USA while maintaining a skeleton force because lol austerity. Which makes all that noise about sending ships to the Pacific all the more farcical.

Jason Murphy
Jason Murphy

I'd imagine a large section of that 76 thousand are reserves too

Isaiah Richardson
Isaiah Richardson

Good news.

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

marvel: infinity war is the most ambitious crossover event in history

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Cameron Richardson
Cameron Richardson

twitter.com/RevokeA50_Bot
more than 3.1 million signatures on the petition to revoke A50.
the #FBPE constituency has demonstrated a pretty powerful online presence.

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=241584
heatmap of where people signed from. No surprises.

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Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE TRADE UNIONS BRO!!!

I TOLD YOU DOG!

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Jose Roberts
Jose Roberts

Soft left dads in my work wouldn't shut up about this yesterday. Felt like one of them was giving running update's.

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

kek

Charles Turner
Charles Turner

I know who you nicked that joke from, but still.

Ian Cook
Ian Cook

Tbh every Tory seat that is Orange is one they should be worried about.

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

that joke has been used like 2 million times in the last few years

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

Funny how they're shifting from 'we need another referendum to be democratic' to 'fuck democracy lol, we need to cancel Brexit right now without a referendum'.

Joshua Ward
Joshua Ward

Anyone got that one Twitter screencap of some woman saying "democracy consists in recognising when you've made a mistake and Brexit was a mistake" and "working-class people shouldn't have the vote because they're not experts"

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

what even is the point of the TUC anymore

Ian White
Ian White

I mean tbf, the TNT has 25% of the British workforce unionised: that dwarfs France and Germany.

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

Breaking, Uri Geller says he will not allow May to lead us into Brexit.

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Hudson Parker
Hudson Parker

UKIP is a serious political party
Hahaha Im looking forward to this clown getting destroyed in an election

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Angel Thomas
Angel Thomas

Sargon of Mossad potentially in political office
What the fuck is this timeline

Jaxson Reed
Jaxson Reed

are they going to have mainstream meteor man run too

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Andrew Sanchez
Andrew Sanchez

I really hope someone eggs the cunt

Christian Lee
Christian Lee

I assume this is what some would categorize as "cringe". As for myself, I do not consider that word to be accurate in this case. What I feel about this may be beyond single-worded descriptions. I think.
A picture, however, is considered to be worth a thousand words, so~

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Jacob Morris
Jacob Morris

Imagine the amount of acceleration points we'll get if he actually gets elected.

Landon Harris
Landon Harris

I'm in a 1-3400 area
We couldn't give less of a shit lmao
I'm pretty sure we're a remain area too

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

We're reaching levels of accelerationism we didn't even believe to be possible

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

I've been demoralised for over a month lads, I'm pretty sure my lashing outs have been archived by the Zion lobby.

What's the situation? Are we doing alright? I'm starting to break up over here, it's fucking bullshit we're left on our own. We fought for this cunt to get some power and he threw us under the bus, it makes me pissed off as fuck.

I know it was never meant to be easy but fuck me I want a bit of feedback here, this fucking guy is throwing us under the bus. These M25 cunts are a bunch of wetbags, that's what pisses me off. We stuck our necks out for this easily whipped prick.

I'm fucking clawing at the screen here, it's driving me mental. What do we do with these cunts? Am I alone?

Why are these London pricks pushing us around?

Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

I love this song.

Chekisten!

Isaiah Gutierrez
Isaiah Gutierrez

tbf, their entire strategy is to want another referendum to delegitmize the previous one

Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

Lamo it appears the tories are trying to fucking coup May and put Michael Fucking Gove in power.
Also reports that the ERG might back Corbyn in a no confidence in such a situation. So to answer your question user , don't give up hope: shit is about to get set on fire.

John Sullivan
John Sullivan

Honestly the placards from the Brexit protest are pure cancer.

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Jordan Barnes
Jordan Barnes

THINGS

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Dylan Young
Dylan Young

The only sensible way to deal with this is through creating a time machine and sending them to operation dessert storm

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Jace Brown
Jace Brown

Honestly i think this country is fucked, we are gonna become like Poland where the political spectrum is between crypto fash conservatives and hardcore neoliberals. Give me hope comrades, give me hope…

Jace Rivera
Jace Rivera

Looks like he's back boys

youtube.com/watch?v=LY6BKq6pysA

David Howard
David Howard

Thanks to comrade Gove for turning the teachers leftwing.

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Kayden Collins
Kayden Collins

Instead of having a choice between a cryto fash government and a neo lib one. It will instead go back to being between a blue or red neolib party.
Expect another 1000 year Blairite reich.

Hope that gives you hope (◕‿◕✿)

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

You did exactly the opposite of give me hope user.

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Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

I know but I do genuinely find it shocking that cancelling Brexit without a referendum is now being presented as a serious option.

Cameron Brooks
Cameron Brooks

Parliament has now taken control of the Brexit process.

OH NO NO NO NO

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Samuel Thomas
Samuel Thomas

Is brexit good or bad for lefty UK?

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Henry Miller
Henry Miller

DIRECT RULE FROM THE COMMITTEE

Anthony Williams
Anthony Williams

Joining the EU in the first place was the mistake, now there's no good option for anyone

David Young
David Young

MAKE THE SHADOW COUNCIL REAL
MADE BY NAZBOL-CORBYN GANG

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Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

twitter.com/YouGov/status/1110191164693585920
I hope your stupid country gets typhus epidemic and has to eat chlorine filled chicken.

Ryan Butler
Ryan Butler

So we are getting indicative votes, so unironically Corbyn' brexit plan might pass the commons…

Benjamin Carter
Benjamin Carter

Any other anons feel incredibly hopeless looking at this chart? Like, was it the anti-semitism smear campaign? Brexit?

Are we going to be alright?

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Jonathan Hughes
Jonathan Hughes

Reminder Miliband hit -60 and the government has a -75 pt approval rating.

Thomas Brooks
Thomas Brooks

Yougov
Also these polls don't really matter since there are a lot of people who "don't like Corbyn" but will still vote Labour. Labour and the Torys are pretty much the same as 2017 but both loosing a few % points. I'm still optimistic that there will be an election this year with Labour just getting a majority. This mainly comes from how fucked the Tory party is rather than Labour doing well

Jeremiah Campbell
Jeremiah Campbell

Lamo a tory MP just said that the tories were in "a battle against cultural marxism". When confronted with how Breivik said the same thing she doubled down.

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Britons, especialy Anglos and Welshies, why are they so fucking retarded. Wehweh we noike Jezza no more because of reasons.

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Grayson Murphy
Grayson Murphy

Also apparently suggestions floating among that group that they should make a 'blueshirts' paramiltary to make sure brexit happens lmao

Jaxon Nelson
Jaxon Nelson

Britnats naming themselves after an Irish fash group
We are on some woke shit.
t. continental

Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

Cultural marxism, irish fascist paramilitaries, grand wizards, looks like nascent british fascism is just ripping everything from other countries, which is ironic for it coming from the brexit lot.

Nathan Williams
Nathan Williams

I mean they are all globalists: what else can they do but import?
Tbh though, we need to play-up the fact that cultural marxism is an anti-semitic doctrine: it should fuck with the tories quite a bit.

Parker Murphy
Parker Murphy

Good The EU hates unions and has constantly supported corporate interests over workers.
Read up on the Laval case.

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

youtu.be/g0l3ZcjH8z8
Is Acid Womble 21st ProleKult?

Jayden Ramirez
Jayden Ramirez

yeah and milliband lost dude

Elijah Thomas
Elijah Thomas

If you look at the graph, Miliband recovered a whole fucking lot in the election campaign.
Also the government didn't have -75% approval under Cameron…

Jacob Reyes
Jacob Reyes

Why "we"? Are you a labor socdem?

Jonathan Wilson
Jonathan Wilson

Hello Burger

Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

Again with this shit. I can update the date if you want.

Criticize labor
HURRRRRRRRR U MUST BE AMERICAN

Really? Your party has betrayed you retard. Why do you still cling to it?

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Adam Harris
Adam Harris

nah mate it's because you say labor.

Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

Spell-check, pirated windows. Already stated before, not going through that again.

Noah Martin
Noah Martin

londoner
even worse :)

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

Didn't clock that.
PURE THE RESIDENTS OF THE CAPITAL
Made by Anti-London Gang

Jack Campbell
Jack Campbell

Had my postcode.

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Anthony Turner
Anthony Turner

is the NUS a good thing for the masses like actual unions or just a career advancement tool for a few select uni students who get contacts and CV padding from it?

Anthony Long
Anthony Long

The NUS is so shit. Most students don't give a shit about it and it certainly doesn't give a shit about students. There has been a movement from the left to try and take it over this year but I doubt it will come to anything.

Nathaniel Walker
Nathaniel Walker

The NUS is pure, unadulterated cancer. It is 50% political careerists and 50% nutjobs who refuse to denounce ISIS.

Kayden Gonzalez
Kayden Gonzalez

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Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

Now this is real accelerationism!

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Parker Ramirez
Parker Ramirez

A million Maos

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Evan Gomez
Evan Gomez

cringe

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/1110226589797793793
the problem with scotland is that it's full of… bloggers.

Mason Hall
Mason Hall

I need some context about this. Did he commit hate speech?

Austin Scott
Austin Scott

He said something like "hearing oliver mundell speak makes you wish his father [david mundell] had embraced his homosexuality sooner", (now ex) scottish labour leader called it homophobic in a newspaper piece, he sued her for libel.

Honestly I'm on his side in that i don't think it's that terrible of a thing to say, but i kind of hope he loses just because I'm sick of his TERF memespouting.

James Nguyen
James Nguyen

Nah it is within her free speech to accuse others of homophobia and the idea of it itself is very subjective so he should not have sued. He is ironically the snowflake in this situation.

Jacob Allen
Jacob Allen

I mean it is a cunty thing to say, basically "you shouldn't have been born". Not sure if it is homophobic but Wings Over Scotland is gonna get rekt purely by previous comments.

Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez

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Brandon Martinez
Brandon Martinez

There is also no substantial proof that he approves of gay people, like any actions (not speech) to support them

Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

WHich normally wouldn't be meaningful, but it helps the case he is homophobic. Also I think it will be a bellwether on whether his comments on trans people can make him homophobic.

Adrian Hall
Adrian Hall

IMO the court need not make that decision and just sidestep by saying the MSP was not wrong in assuming that he was homophobic and it was her free speech to do so.

Justin Powell
Justin Powell

I mean the first part, that the MSP had reason to believe they are homophobic is actually how the law works. It's why Corbyn can't sue people for accusing them of being anti-semites, because there is a legal case that can be made that they can reasonably believe such. I doubt free speech will come into it though, libel can't be defended by "free speech" alone.

Colton Martinez
Colton Martinez

But homophobia like anti-semitism, is like porn. People can only know it when they see it. It is a very subjective term that the MSP can exploit the grey area.

Landon Harris
Landon Harris

Well the point I was making is that you can reasonably say the MSP legitimately believes Wings is a homophobe from that comment and his past actions: so it is all good.

Angel Bell
Angel Bell

Ah, that line of argument works too but I was giving a more conservative one.

Isaac Rogers
Isaac Rogers

May's stepping down after 'this phase in the Brexit negotiations are concluded'.
Trying to kill any chance of a GE I suppose.

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Austin Edwards
Austin Edwards

Good. Brexit in May. Conservative comedy in the summer. Spirit of 45 in fall. Good timeline of events.

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Camden Allen
Camden Allen

Noice.

Jordan Rogers
Jordan Rogers

Literally the most forgettable PM of all time.
Christ I think Brown was more interesting than her.

Hudson Gonzalez
Hudson Gonzalez

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47725529

"I'll fucking go away if you pass my cuck deal"

the absolute state of the Tories

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

Honestly the WA is the longest suicide note in history,

Eli Mitchell
Eli Mitchell

Ngl socdem lab aesthetics were fucking 10/10.

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John Bell
John Bell

Would you like Mark's asshole?

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Cameron Wilson
Cameron Wilson

Hot, would tear up.

James Barnes
James Barnes

THEY FUCKING VOTED AGAINST EVERYTHING, AGAINST E V E R Y T H I N G

Jackson Price
Jackson Price

The absolute state of Brexit. Voting against everything. What a mess.
Did anyone else go on the March at the weekend? Or sign the petition? My reasoning for turning up and signing was that going on the March would sow discord amongst the Tories and just to show my disdain for May's approach. I really don't know if i made a mistake. The march was the most middle class thing i've ever seen in my life. Lib dems everywhere. I heard middle class women from Canterbury saying how much they love Chukka and Bercow. It made me sick. The finance melts i was with at the protest took loads of selfies and fucked off after 2 hours.

As an aside, i'm in academia surrounded by EU luvvies that all voted remain, i'm probably the only person in my institute that voted leave i suspect. Are any of you also in environments like this? These people will only mobilise for their own self interest.

Eli Robinson
Eli Robinson

business idea: may's deal to the house again, but with the preamble:
"this house has no confidence in her majesties government"

Gavin Roberts
Gavin Roberts

Do you guys really think that Labour will win the next election instead of the Tories or god forbid fucking Ukip?

Kevin James
Kevin James

Corbyn will win, but will he guillotine the r*yals? This is the important question

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Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

Everyone on r/ukpolitics hates the fuck out of him. I imagine people who post there are the median of what the UK populace is?
I know >reddit, but it is still useful to see what the normies think. I'd rather not live in a damn circlejerk thinking we're going to be popular when we're really not.

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Who the fuck is the alternative though?

Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

I am a cuban american white hispanic am i accepted here?

Nolan Parker
Nolan Parker

The average british person DOES not use fucking reddit lol. The average british person either only browses dailymail online or youtube for music.

Robert Hernandez
Robert Hernandez

It's a 2 party system, like the US basically. The tories are completely dead at this point, so it's Labours time now. Let's not overthink this.

Jeremiah Edwards
Jeremiah Edwards

Are you hopeful that labour will change anything? Why?

I really don't understand why "radical leftists" are shilling for labour. Is it because some people have said "radical" things within the party?

Daniel Rodriguez
Daniel Rodriguez

I'm curious, and wishing for Corbyn to be a crypto-marxist, but without much expectation. Yea there's been some hints, and the brits here would answer you better, but that is why there's quite of an excitement.

Luis Young
Luis Young

Corbyn is a crypto marxist, but the problem isn't going to be his follow through, it's going to be the insane amounts of sabotage that he'll suffer from his own MPs and the civil service when he becomes PM. He's a great guy but without mass purges he won't get any fucking thing done. See famous stories about Tony Benn and how civil service literally refused to implement his policies because "he didn't know what he was doing". This is why I'm sort of hoping GE will bring small party protest chaos instead of labour victory or maybe even more tory minority clown government to allow more time for purging blairite fucks, infiltrating the civil service, and maximum accelerationism, even tho it's wishful thinking probably.

Julian Ortiz
Julian Ortiz

lenin was so right about parliaments

Jason Nguyen
Jason Nguyen

if ever you feel sad, just remember that margaret thatcher is dead and you are still alive :)

Nathan Lee
Nathan Lee

just remember that margaret thatcher is dead and you are still alive
WTF is leftybritpol's median age 65?

Jackson Evans
Jackson Evans

i mean it doesn't have to be surprising that you're still alive. it just has to be true.

Grayson Mitchell
Grayson Mitchell

man when the 6 counties flip to the Free State the Ulster guys are gonna go full contra mode aren't they?

Liam Brown
Liam Brown

sure mate

Jack Long
Jack Long

Lmao

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Julian Sullivan
Julian Sullivan

thought that was tulsi gabbard with a big nose

William Gomez
William Gomez

Test

Aaron Gomez
Aaron Gomez

r/ukpolitics
That place is a hellhole of middle class centrism. I wouldn't take their opinions to represent the majority of British voters.

Wyatt Richardson
Wyatt Richardson

They won't. Not even vaguely. A few Unionist national groups will pop up when it finally happens.

The reason the troubles were so violent was contextual. The early 70's were a time of tremendous economic instability, crime and unemployment in Northern Ireland.

Kayden Morris
Kayden Morris

Corbyn already won 40% of the vote. That's 1% off Blair in 1997.

The reason Corbyn will struggle to win right now is because there's no lib dem centre party to siphon votes from the Tories like there used to be.

If we want Corbyn to win, we need to focus on dividing the conservatives as much as possible.

William Evans
William Evans

The Independent Group applies to be a political party - Change UK
news.sky.com/story/the-independent-group-applies-to-be-a-political-party-change-uk-11678001
Or CUK for short. Nothing says change quite like centrist neoliberalism.

Austin Bennett
Austin Bennett

youtube.com/watch?v=DDBBMZWdEAY

""THERESA MAY MUST GO NOW""

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

I don't understand what their strategy is. Why are they competing with the Lib Dems instead of merging? Why have they chosen such a meaningless name instead of using it to state what their ideological niche is? Something like 'the Centre Party' or 'the Social Liberal Party' would have made a lot more sense. And haven't they committed to standing in their current seats instead of trying to find a constituency that might actually elect them? It's baffling. 'Change UK' sounds like a fucking think tank or a sinister Integrity Initiative-style front org, not a party.

Brandon Nelson
Brandon Nelson

Its because Chuka is aiming to replicate the 'success' of Macron's En Marche, and has the delusions of grandeur to match. Just watch it go go down in flames like a mediocre and uninspiring Hindenburg.

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

When they first defected they were confidently predicting that about 30 Labour MPs would join them within weeks, so I think it arguably already has gone down in flames. Also it's pretty amusing that Heidi Allen has emerged as their leader instead of Chuka. Looks like nobody likes him wherever he goes.

Kayden King
Kayden King

Nah, she's the interim leader till they get inaugurated and he's their 'official spokesman' so she's transparently just a placeholder till they can officially elect him and he gracefully takes the leadership so it doesn't look completely like his vanity project.

Isaiah Rodriguez
Isaiah Rodriguez

This, iirc they have people from Trudeau's campaign onboard.

Parker Bell
Parker Bell

I 100% bet the name is so they can use "Vote for Change" as an election slogan.
They chose Allen because she is a new MP (from the 2015 batch), and she has a background in "business": it is clear they are trying to angle for the petit-booj liberals with that one. not a bad strat per-se, petit-booj liberals tend to vote tory in the countryside and Labour/Lib Dem in the cities so it is certainly a group to pander too.
As for the 30 Labour MPs, a part of it is that Anna Soubry joined with it (she's basically a Thatcherite with liberal social policies), a part of it is that the launch was such a fucking botch, a part of it is due to Tom Watson organising the centre-left into the PLP (which I personally think is a good thing don't @ me), and a part of it is because the party stands for fucking nothing.

With regards to the lib dems, the CUKs that will never get old want to basically bunnyhop them then force them into an embarrassing annexation (the same was post-communist Eastern European Socdems annexed the leftovers of the communist parties). The issue with this is what the cuks don't realise is that the Lib Dems have 100k members and thousands of cllrs: along with MSPs, AMs, and even an allied party in NI. They are as much of an institution in British politics as the tories or Labour are. What they don't realise is that you can't buy your way into power in this country: you need networks of people to push your agenda in high palaces and on the street. This is what will sink the Cuks.
Also for some braindead reason their leadership contest is gonna be an electoral college of 50% members and 50% MPs: because that's a great idea.

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

Knowing how centrist most Europoors are, I think that might actually succeed. They'll immediately try to get back into the EU with an even shittier standing than they already do, and have to get assfucked by all sorts of shit again. But hey, we owned the Tories Right guys!?

Carson Turner
Carson Turner

t. burger, it really fucking shows.

Henry Wilson
Henry Wilson

Yeah, and i bet YangGang will win the 2020 election and restore your snipped foreskin too

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Evan Bell
Evan Bell

What the fuck is your point Europoor? It's going to be amusing watching your shitty country fall to 2nd or even 3rd world status.
Yang is a dumb meme that is even less popular than Beto O'rourk. It's obvious that Biden will win the Primaries and it'll all just repeat of either the 2016 elections of the 2008 one.

Ryder Cruz
Ryder Cruz

fall to 2nd or even 3rd world status
Implying that it isn't there already

Jordan Edwards
Jordan Edwards

How is the pro-Brexit protest working out?

Cooper Gutierrez
Cooper Gutierrez

tired of internet yanks and yank-minded leftists

Colton Sanchez
Colton Sanchez

yank genocide when?

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

1775 don't you remember user… Stupid redcoats had one job.

Ian Ward
Ian Ward

What the fuck is your point Europoor?
<Europoor
Yo 2015 called it wants its shit slang back.
It's going to be amusing watching your shitty country fall to 2nd or even 3rd world status.
Lamo like that hasn't already happened: but be sure yank, you're coming down with us,

Lucas Williams
Lucas Williams

Lol, more tory remainers are getting deselected now. The Cuks are basically gonna be the moderate wing of the tory party sooner or later.

Isaac Jones
Isaac Jones

bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-47756308

Oh boy some of these are a fucking doozy

Evan Price
Evan Price

What is all this shit about 'May threatens general election'. She didn't.

Ryder Rogers
Ryder Rogers

Christ there are some absolutely STEAMING yanks in this thread

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47756122

A FUCKING 4

Julian Lee
Julian Lee

could we say they're

steamed hams

Asher Ortiz
Asher Ortiz

This is honestly just tragic at this point

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

Why do they even care about this crap? The people have spoken, they voted for Brrxit. How can a parliament vote at this point 'overrule' a vote of the people? And it is non binding in any case. But this parliament circus is like if u had an election, but then the parliament could vote on if they will foow the results. WTF

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Julian Bell
Julian Bell

Follow the results*

Adam Gomez
Adam Gomez

Parliament is dissolved when an election is called, there's no MPs to contest the result apart from the one's elected in that election. Not sure what you mean really, or how its related to the article user posted.

Sebastian Scott
Sebastian Scott

Did you guys curse yourselves by memeing the U.S shutdown and are just kind of floating aimlessly too?

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Oliver Moore
Oliver Moore

Just the endless votes in parliament. The voters had a vote on Brexit. Brexit won. How can a parliament now vote to ignore said referendum with votes on: should there be a new referendum, should the referendum be ignored etc.

Easton Scott
Easton Scott

Well parliament is sovereign and MPs are generally meant to legislate in their constituents interest, rather than strictly according to their will, such is the convention at least.
Furthermore brexit isn't as simple as 'brexit means brexit' and leaving the eu is complicated by considerations of on what terms we're leaving and what the (economic, legal, political) relationship between the UK and the EU will be post-brexit. The votes are there because parliament is sovereign and the government isn't allowed to simply decide to implement whatever it has agreed with the EU, Parliament has to accept it for it to pass into British law. May's cuck deal is trash and her government is trash and the more parliament frustrates it the better. Hopefully it will eventually kill the deal, kill her, kill her government and kill her party.

Matthew Edwards
Matthew Edwards

Because "Brexit" isnt exactly a tangible outcome of all of this, there is no singular definition. And its a legal process which has never been done before

Evan King
Evan King

'Well parliament is sovereign and MPs are generally meant to legislate in their constituents interest, rather than strictly according to their will'

mate wot. So if voters vote x, MPs can block it as they know better from the voters?

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Isaiah Lewis
Isaiah Lewis

if voters vote x
vote on what? In general elections constituents vote on their choice of local MP who are meant to represent their constituents interests and implement the manifesto they were elected upon.
As for referendums, those aren't legally binding, at best Parliament can pass legislation in effect promising to carry out the result of a referendum prior to it, thus binding itself somewhat, but generally referendums are advisory. Of course a referendum result can't be outright ignored, it carries moral weight, illustrates a popular mandate, as such politicians are de facto obligated to follow through with it.
With Brexit its complicated enough even when you don't account for the subtleties of what brexit can entail and what it will. In a straight vote in parliament 'Leave the EU or don't leave the EU', is an MP meant to vote as the majority of their constituents voted? As the majority of the country voted as a sort of enforcer of the popular will? As they promised they would vote in the manifesto they stood on in the election in which they were elected? As they feel themselves morally or otherwise is right? Or as they believe is in the best interest of their constituents? How about if by all indication while a majority of their constituents voted to leave the EU in the referendum but the mood has since changed to wanting to remain? What if by all indications a majority of the country now wants to remain even though a majority previously voted to leave? Democratic mandate is not so simple either.

Lucas Flores
Lucas Flores

Yes, moods change. This is not an argument foe not following votes. Moods even change about mps all the time. But there arent mollions of votes.

Eli Stewart
Eli Stewart

This is not an argument foe not following votes. Moods even change about mps all the time.
We typically don't elect MPs in perpetuity however.
Besides i have no idea what you're really talking about or what you take issue with. Just some incoherent indignation about something or other.

Anthony Wilson
Anthony Wilson

God people are setting off fireworks again.

Jack Jones
Jack Jones

The third season premier of Frankie Boyle's New World Order just aired.
www1.swatchseries.to/serie/frankie_boyle_s_new_world_order

vid related

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Chase Moore
Chase Moore

Varoufakis: The end game for Theresa May
youtube.com/watch?v=t1MDnVcIucw

Aiden Thomas
Aiden Thomas

The people have spoken, they voted for Brrxit
And the Tories and Labour are trying to figure exactly what kind of Brexit.

Ayden Parker
Ayden Parker

To be fair a great many MPs aren't interested in that at all, they're trying to stop Brexit altogether. 268 voted for a 2nd referendum last week.

Is there any precedent for having a 2nd referendum without having enacted the result of the 1st? This wouldn't be like when other countries voted against European treaties, because honouring the result was as simple as 'not signing the treaty… yet'.

Mason Barnes
Mason Barnes

Frankie Boyle is the only redeemable British trot prove me wrong.

Kevin Gomez
Kevin Gomez

What about the Welsh absolute boi?

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David Foster
David Foster

Eh he's alright, but still if he so close to Chavez why didn't he dissuade him from neo-extractionism, or worse did he encourage it?

Leo Baker
Leo Baker

He tried to dissuade him, encouraged him to go further and not try to attempt 'half a revolution', but he didn't listen. He talks about it a lot and how Maduro shouldn't be trusted to do what has to be done.
However from what Wood's has written on what Chavez told him, Chavez was also very conscious of the elements within the venezuelan government and bureaucracy which were trying to sabotage or resist efforts to build new communes and bring in new policies, etc.

Oliver Thomas
Oliver Thomas

Interesting. Did he do any work with Morales and other Pink Tide leaders or was it just Chavez?

Owen Powell
Owen Powell

Anglo-shitstons. Ruining the planet. Mass genocides. Ruined leftism and what leftism stands for.

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David Diaz
David Diaz

For starters take off that flag pic related is Tito with Sunny Jim, secondly, get your autistic arse out of here.

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Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

Found a better pic.

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Robert Myers
Robert Myers

Only Chavez I think. I know that Hands off Venezuela at some point set up like a sub org about solidarity with Bolivia and Morales, but i don't think anything came from it since at least for now Morales hasn't been threatened in particular. But in general Woods is really big on the pink tide and socialism in latin america afaik.

Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

Nah. I am gonna stay here and shit on your lot.

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Jackson Phillips
Jackson Phillips

If you say so love.

Zachary Rivera
Zachary Rivera

Yes. Now time for some late evening tea and sucking Blair's cock. Then gotta fap to her majesty.

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William Wilson
William Wilson

How many British can start a genocide? Every one of them.

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Carson Bell
Carson Bell

Whatever you want dear.

Robert Adams
Robert Adams

First out of Ireland, then out of Yurp.

Luke Edwards
Luke Edwards

wtf why is the discount anglo sperging out? Did tomokoposter refuse to suck his cock again or something?

Zachary Gray
Zachary Gray

Nah. Just have some free time and itbis well spent to criticize Anglo scum. They destroy leftism and then they attack what they crested - idpol. Yet noone actually goes out and does something. They arr so larping thst they kill people because an imageboard suggested it.

Caleb Hall
Caleb Hall

user put the drink down, and go have a glass of water.

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

nice

Adam Gomez
Adam Gomez

bbc.co.uk/news/business-47766134
Post Office Communism is a-go

Tyler Brooks
Tyler Brooks

trot
AFAIK he's a fan of Noam Chomsky and thus his critique of capitalism spans from "the media is controlled by the 1%" and "capitalism will doom the Earth…"

Christian Peterson
Christian Peterson

If I ever meet him I'll break his bones for you

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Camden Morris
Camden Morris

Eh he was a member of the SSP and he cites Society of Spectacle as an influence so I give him the benefit of actually knowing what the fuck he's talking about rather than someone who has just seen a couple of Chomsky lectures.

Nolan Flores
Nolan Flores

Ummm is this an in season April Fools Joke?

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Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

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Oliver Nelson
Oliver Nelson

So what's happening tonight?
customs union vote passes;
Gov required to negotiate the customs union;
Labour push for vote of no confidence;
Brexiteers vote no confidence to stop government negotiating such a pathetic brexit;
Theresa gone;
Election between brexiteer tory and Corbyn?

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Matthew Jones
Matthew Jones

Customs union is the closest, if it passes honestly this is a possible course of events.

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Adrian Scott
Adrian Scott

Am I back? Got gulag'd 2 weeks ago for saying a certain nation deserved the bucket of sunshine it was gifted

Fuck me Heidi Allen's a bit of alright isn't she? can't say I've ever notice before

What's the current take on tonight's memery then? I think we're headed for a general election if this common market amendment passes

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

All 4 shot down, customs union was only 3 against, the shitemare continues

William Taylor
William Taylor

the shitemare continues
This was the best possible outcome though.

Ethan Bailey
Ethan Bailey

the shitemare continues
Why can't they just call a GE or a referendum to break this frustrating deadlock

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

May is calling a 6 hour cabinet tomorrow, she May go for a GE.

Jose Young
Jose Young

Probably 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧they🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 fear of losing it

Camden King
Camden King

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Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

GE
Means we would definitely need another extension and would have to take part in EU elections in May.

referendum
Would enrage Leave voters and destroy any public faith in parliamentary 'democracy'.

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

Would love to watch paki animals, niggers, and white cuck traitors burn in The UK and dedicate it to King Arthur. Jewish demons must be tortured slowly.

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

Irony is that if a GE is called, that means we'd have about three separate elections in may (Locals, General, then European).

Christian Taylor
Christian Taylor

Are we getting a national unity government or what the fuck did she just mean?

James Lee
James Lee

She's either gonna try and get a deal passed with 100 loyal tory MPs and Labour MPs, or she is just trying to shift the blame onto Corbyn and then go full no deal.

Adrian Morris
Adrian Morris

Panel Show "comedian"
Was party to a PsyOp that genocided the intelligence and curiosity of millions of Brits on behalf of the political establishment
Still not using real accent and pretending he's working-class GLESGA YA CUNT

In his own words: "My job was to keep people stupid". He can't be forgiven, even if he was one of the few who was actually funny sometimes.

youtube.com/watch?v=-2z-AdzgKjY

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Andrew Anderson
Andrew Anderson

So are the tories going extinct like the whigs after this or what?

Parker Lopez
Parker Lopez

A blairite/tory parasite hive

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

1) His thing is standup
2) This is some "gubment's are turning the frigging frogs gay" shit
3) He's from Pollockshaws, and that isn't even a thick Glasgow accent if it was really a south glasgow accent it would be unintelligible for Inglin.
Probs gonna be 1824 tier.

Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

Have you lads seen this?
The absolute state, why is it always the case with these fucking degenerates?
bbc.co.uk/news/stories-44798649
Also
buys a fucking gladius to try and go on his murder spree like an ebin defender of western civilisation

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Jaxon Thomas
Jaxon Thomas

Holy shit he is from this:
youtu.be/oczj6thd4CY

Ryan Evans
Ryan Evans

These guys are almost always fascists because of sexual frustration.

Evan Gomez
Evan Gomez

Yeah I also recognised him from that cringey cultural margsism vid
Good to know BNP youth rears child groomers in its ranks :^)

Adam Thompson
Adam Thompson

Well tbf the party doesn't rear anything anymore.

Joshua Moore
Joshua Moore

What a twinky little dork. He probably couldn't kill anybody with that gladius.

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

I mean killing some middle-aged woman mp isn't that unrealistic but this faggot also planned to kill the detective who was investigating his case and take people hostage, completely delusional.

Henry Gray
Henry Gray

Lol, not even the first or the second Atom-Waffen linked pederast.

Definitely something there.

Benjamin Moore
Benjamin Moore

lol

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

I FUCKING KNEW THAT WAS THE GUY IN THE BNP AD. Lol I knew this fucker was mental.

You know what, I wonder what the other fucking weirdos who appeared in that BNP ad are doing? There was even a mixed race person there. God damn, they must be fucked up too.

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

That fucking NA are linked to that misanthropic division, the scum who go out with the Azov battalion in Ukraine. This guy is WAY past being a simple racist.

Aiden Harris
Aiden Harris

I know the ginger one rocked-up to parliament in a fucking Saint George Costume (It was a OP pic in an old leftybritpol thread). As for the rest of them, no idea: probs have joined UKIP or a UKIP adjacent party like For Britain.

Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

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Blake Davis
Blake Davis

Man the tory members are really shitting on May right now.

Juan Jackson
Juan Jackson

Good, let's hope they tear themselves apart and we get an SDP type situation

Caleb Collins
Caleb Collins

I would say I doubt they give a shit but losing one member is probably noticeable for the tories for how few they have.

Charles Kelly
Charles Kelly

mobile.twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/1113352300037398528
Footage of british soldiers in Afghanistan firing at a picture of Corbyn…

Evan Richardson
Evan Richardson

Was party to a PsyOp that genocided the intelligence and curiosity of millions of Brits on behalf of the political establishment
what

Blake Jenkins
Blake Jenkins

The army has always been a hub of disaffected right wing kids from the North who failed their GCSE’s, I can’t say I’m surprised.

What’s more pathetic are the people defending it, saying shit like ‘Squaddies have their own humour us civvies will never understand!’, like there’s some subtle commentary here.

Ian Rivera
Ian Rivera

A Very British Coup intensifies
Also pretty sure this violates the Army's non-partisan image so heads must roll.

Ian Baker
Ian Baker

So a Nigel Adams resigned because May talked with a marxist, that never put Britain first.

What is his significance brit tovarishes?

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Julian Baker
Julian Baker

He is a pretty irrelevant dude as he was only a junior minister for Wales. His resignation doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of of things

Isaiah Carter
Isaiah Carter

Writing's on the wall for this cabinet, I expect he's just CV padding for the next one.

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Michael Lee
Michael Lee

Seriously if Britain reacts this badly to a lukewarm socdem then socialism in this country is impossible without severe crisis and mass death.

Jeremiah Jenkins
Jeremiah Jenkins

V for Vendetta ending with the military standing down was very optimistic.

William Jones
William Jones

Her Majesty's Armed Forces on a shooting range firing at a photo of Jeremy Corbyn

twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/status/1113352300037398528
rt.com/uk/455441-corbyn-shooting-british-army/

A video clip circulating social media appearing to show soldiers shooting a picture of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, is to be investigated by the British Army, according to the UK Ministry of Defence.

Ex-Army Sergeant, Trevor Coult, posted the footage on Twitter saying: “Not looking good for a Labour leader.” Coult has since deleted the 26-second clip that seemingly originates from Snapchat.

The Ministry of Defence confirmed that the video, showing British troops shooting a Corbyn image at a shooting range in Kabul, is genuine.

These are the people who will hunt you down if you suggest reducing British military interventionism and the military budget and demand the economy be readjusted to work more in favour of the working class and not military contractors, finance capitalists and real estate developers.

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Aiden Hill
Aiden Hill

It's from the fucking paras
Well they would be well-versed in shooting unarmed civilians tbh.

Nathan Morales
Nathan Morales

What’s more pathetic are the people defending it, saying shit like ‘Squaddies have their own humour us civvies will never understand!’, like there’s some subtle commentary here.
Which is great until you realise these people are specifically designated to guard VIPs and may be guarding Corbyn in government.
Still, I've seen a lot of disgust even from the centrist melts and tory outriders, so that's at-least nice. Stuff like this plays into Corbyn's favour because he comes off as an underdog.
Not even that, it has had major image issues over the last few years and with UK anti-terror law being so tight even the original poster might get prosecuted for it.

Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

Stuff like this plays into Corbyn's favour because he comes off as an underdog.

It plays amazingly into Corbyn’s favour since it shows him as anti-establishment. The biggest myth from the far right in Britain is the ‘judeo-bolshevik cultural marxists control our government’ meme. This shows it’s nothing of the sort.

This past month has been utterly amazing for Labour, and I think we’re past the Anti-semitism claims now. A general election a month from now would be ideal.

And don’t worry, there’s no chance of a coup. It would never be supported by the population. The main plan if Corbyn takes power is to limit his ability to push reform.

Oliver Cook
Oliver Cook

Why do you think it plays well into Corbyn's favor? I thought the British were mostly okay with their current leaders and military like the yankees are.

Gavin Gonzalez
Gavin Gonzalez

Oh no something like this is a very "MY GOD THAT'S UTTERLY DISGUSTING" inciting thing. It's all about british sentiment: the military is seen but not heard. The concept that British soldiers are doing something like this will get people angry. Like even MPs who were squaddies barely every bring it up. Our society is pretty demilitarised, thank god.

Cameron James
Cameron James

My incredibly cynicism just makes me think that this would decrease his support rather than increase it. Why would you want to support a leader who is targeted by the military? You don't want to get shot at don't you?

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

Because us English don't nearly revere the army to the same extent Americans do, and expect them to act politically neutral and in service to the people. At best, this is being seen as a distasteful joke. But most are calling it evidence of poor discipline and far-right infiltration. Which are both genuine issues in the army.

Aaron Powell
Aaron Powell

Yeah brits don't think like that: the concept of a mainlander even having a gun pointed at them is seen as beyond the pale.

Jace Sullivan
Jace Sullivan

Because it shows him as an underdog and a martyr without being killed. Censoring ideas only makes them stronger. Why do you think Dubcek was so popular in Czechoslovakia?

Zachary Ortiz
Zachary Ortiz

Also Britain has an underdog complex.

Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

I mean, without being nationalistic, I think that is our greatest trait. That and our strong sense of democracy.

Grayson Wright
Grayson Wright

Also our weird class nationalisms, although I guess that isn't a shared trait.

Logan Robinson
Logan Robinson

There's really 2 Britain's. The vague sense of self-loathing, introversion and cynicism present in the working and middle class, and the overtly traditional, smug, self wankery culture present in the Upper-Middle and Upper classes. The kind who carry these signs and think Great British Bake off is emblematic of our culture. they're the real problem.

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Aiden Ramirez
Aiden Ramirez

I guarantee you weren't even alive for her time in No. 10. Hate her all you want, but understand the context of what she did, why it was bad, and move on. No one has time for pontificating over events that happened almost half a century ago. When our time comes she'll be buried in the annals of history anyway.

Austin Harris
Austin Harris

No one has time for pontificating over events that happened almost half a century ago.
lmao, do you even know where you are.
name a more unlikable person.

Eli Lewis
Eli Lewis

The absolute state of the left leaning newspaper readership in the UK. People are living under EU austerity but don't take away my holidays.

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Anthony Richardson
Anthony Richardson

How entitled do you have to be to think your biggest issue is your dogs passport ffs.Middle class to the core, 600k+ house and 50k+ wage guaranteed. They see their social progressiveness as an indicator they are good people whilst simultaneously supporting the systems that subjugate the working classes.

Anthony Walker
Anthony Walker

What's most annoying is how little a change from 'freedom of movement' to having to maybe apply for a travel visa really is, and how most of the people upset about it probably all fly to the Caribbean most years anyway

Juan Martin
Juan Martin

remaining in the eu will lead to a 100 years of tory rule

lmao what

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

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Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

Brit bros what does last night s vote that passed with one vote mean?

Cooper Gomez
Cooper Gomez

Assuming the bill passes the house of lords, the government is compelled to ask for a further extension, of the house's choosing, of article 50 beyond April 12 regardless of the passing of the withdrawal deal to prevent a no deal departure.
It unlikely that there is a majority for extending article 50 so far that we'd have to participate in the EU elections so most likely this will amount to May asking the EU to give us the extension to May 22nd or somewhere thereabouts even if the withdrawal agreement doesn't pass by the 12th.
The EU is most likely going to refuse at this point.
The alternative is if somehow a motion to ask for a long extension till like the end of the year passes, in which case who knows if the EU would accept but we'd have to have EU elections and all hell would break loose with brexiteer outrage.

Kevin Gutierrez
Kevin Gutierrez

Hvala lepa.

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John Jones
John Jones

The other component of this is that if the EU says no to the last minute extension request, there would be one last vote to revoke article 50 before no deal brexit. In such a case I think the UK would likely stay in; the reason nothing has passed so far is because there are people who want neither no deal or a revokation. But given the choice between those two options and nothing else they'd rather stay in.

Evan Campbell
Evan Campbell

Corbyn ramming a bill that puts a stop on ever having a "no deal" Brexit
<t-trust the plan, he a good boy
Jesus Christ.

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Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

He didnt ram shit you fucking burger.

Benjamin Gomez
Benjamin Gomez

So what are the chances that pro-brexit majority stages massive protests when their vote is ignored?

Daniel Williams
Daniel Williams

sorry, that sounds wrong

What are the chances that massive protests erupt because the vote of the people is ignored?

Nathan Parker
Nathan Parker

Unlikely, I think most people who voted leave just want it to be over with. It will add to the anger of many people in the UK feeling like no one is listening to them. There would need some spark to set it all off though would have to be something pretty big though to initiate it maybe Corbyn being killed, 2009 rescission 2.0 or another Grenfell type thing. But I do seriously think we will see poll tax like riots within the next few years unless there is an early election.

Jordan Ramirez
Jordan Ramirez

bill instigated by Labour's Yvette Cooper and Tory Oliver Letwin
breaking vote was Labour's Fiona Onasanya, formerly imprisoned and "suspended" from her party

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Jayden Gomez
Jayden Gomez

no deal is gay

Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

You wanna go HARD?

Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

Harry calls for a ban on Fortnite.

William Foster
William Foster

That's not how british parliamentary procedure works at-all…

Asher Perry
Asher Perry

The risky is less that there are massive protests, more that people get radicalised and join TOMMEH-KIP then going to further demos. That's far more insidious tbh.

Carson Torres
Carson Torres

I assume you lads already have your tickets.

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Brayden Hernandez
Brayden Hernandez

World humanitarian forum
call for action

Anthony Ross
Anthony Ross

god why are british women so unattractive

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

So what are the chances that one of the 27 veto the next extension to Article 50? I get the impression that a lot of them really, really don't want us staying in past the EU elections.

There was already an indicative vote covering this (providing for revocation of Article 50 if no-deal was imminent) and it was heavily defeated. I presume it would be closer if that scenario was actually happening though.

How do you avoid getting banned on that site? Also >using the word cuck around normies

More likely you would just get a (brief?) surge of fascist extremism and a general rise of apathy and cynicism in regard to bourgeois democracy.

That's not wholly accurate but in any case I don't know what else he can do when he's surrounded by FBPE snakes. It does disappoint me though to see him let shitters like Starmer get away with announcing that Labour's policy is to reverse the referendum, when that a) goes far beyond their precious 2nd referendum motion at last year's conference and b) is in breach of the 2017 manifesto.

Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

So what are the chances that one of the 27 veto the next extension to Article 50? I get the impression that a lot of them really, really don't want us staying in past the EU elections.
V low tbh, though Macron might try and limit the extent of the extension.

Kayden Gray
Kayden Gray

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Jonathan Carter
Jonathan Carter

Trust the autistically detached non-human products of the meritocracy to sign onto the latest neoliberal technocrat political project in a quest for non-ideological world domination.

Parker Thomas
Parker Thomas

Honestly if/when they stand at an election their candidates are just gonna fall flat on their face.

Cameron Hill
Cameron Hill

It always astonishes me how much they live in a bubble. Ofsted inspectors and execs in the NHS are two groups of people that nearly everyone hates

Parker Wright
Parker Wright

I think they assume saying that is like the same as when people say Teachers & Nurses but it isn't.

Grayson Wilson
Grayson Wilson

Referendum was only advisory, and Parliament can basically do whatever it wants even if it goes against the will of the people - although there is obiter dicta in some judicial decisions that may qualify Parliamentary Sovereignty I doubt the courts would ever rule that MPs couldn't do something just because it went against public opinion, even if it was voiced in a referendum.

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Liam Watson
Liam Watson

What are the chances Labour will agree to support a cross-party deal in the next few days? Seems to me Labour would be better off dropping it around now and letting the tories be humiliated again. Seeing as an extension is seemingly inevitable.

Ethan Hall
Ethan Hall

Low tbh, mostly because the SNP are the only of the "Progressive" parties to not go full hard-remain now.

Ethan Watson
Ethan Watson

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Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahaha

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Aaron Harris
Aaron Harris

lmaooooo

Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

Heaven, please sing for me a song of life
Heaven, take me into your skies
There's no place here for me to hide my cries
Night and day, I'm missing you (ooh)

I know I'm here for the magic
All your stars guiding me through and through
(Oh) why, this loneliness feel like… forever and ever
I gotta be, I gotta be, in your arms, baby

You're so close, so close
And it's you that I believe in, I believe in
So close, but faraway, so far I can't touch
I'll hold on
'Cuz it's you I love so dearly
When the rain, the storm, and all is done
Caress me with your sweet lullaby…

Heaven, please sing for me a song of life
Heaven, save me in my dreams tonight
Someday these wings will perish in your sight
Night and day, I call for you (ooh)

Flashes of moments of tragic
Wondering souls, they fall along the way
Tell me you will never leave me… forever and ever
I gotta be, I gotta be, in your arms, hear me

You're so close, so close
And it's you that I believe in, I believe in
So close, but faraway, I seek for your light
I'll hold on
'Cuz for you my heart keeps beating
When the wind, the fire, and all is gone
Caress me with your sweet lullaby…

Will you be my light
Will you be my strength
Promise you won't let me go…

I'll never betray
And in the end of time
Still my love's gonna be there…

You're so close, so close
And it's you that I believe in, I believe in
So close, but faraway, so far I can't touch
I'll hold on
'Cuz it's you I love so dearly
When the rain, the storm, and all is done
Caress me with your sweet lullaby…

You're so close, so close
And it's you that I believe in, I believe in
So close, but faraway, I seek for your light
I'll hold on
'Cuz for you my heart keeps beating
When the wind, the fire, and all is gone
Caress me with your sweet lullaby…

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Logan Davis
Logan Davis

Underrated post.

Josiah Robinson
Josiah Robinson

SNP have been one most Remain out of all of them?? They have gone from SM+CU (basically being in then EU ) to revoking article 50.
I think this is all party of Labours plan. Get seen as coming in at the last minute voting on an "okay deal" which they can sell as "making Brexit happen" to leavers and "stopping no deal" to reminers.

Carter Harris
Carter Harris

UKIP literally funding meme men to keep themselves relevant
<tfw even that's failing because these meme men only have an audience in America

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Chase Campbell
Chase Campbell

Nah the SNP supported the SM deals in the indicative votes as compared to PLaid, the Greens, the Lib Dems, and the Cuks.
Tbh he might win if they put him top of the list in Scotland.

Cooper Ramirez
Cooper Ramirez

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Daniel Hall
Daniel Hall

That song brings me back. I wanna go back to the good old days were I didn't have to wonder if people where masking sincere genocidal beliefs behind shitposting. When there was zero reason to believe that the dumb shit that happens online has nothing to do with the real world

Brody Morgan
Brody Morgan

do you really want to go back to this though?
my answer is: 'perhaps, for research purposes, but only because i now know that it ends.'
sometimes it's helpful to put time periods in their proper historical context instead of focusing on one particular area. the internet appeared to peak when society as a whole had troughed, before the two fully (well, openly. the separation of digital and real is an e-fallacy) integrated.

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Michael Martinez
Michael Martinez

I gotta say, before 9/11 and Iraq, there was this big feeling of 'Hey, maybe it's gonna be okay.' The minimum wage went up, the troubles began to end, the economy was doing well, and the tories weren't in government.

It genuinely felt like the end of history. Of course, none of that was to be, but there was a genuine feeling of optimism that I do sort of miss.

Brody Miller
Brody Miller

I still remember people celebrating 9/11 over here with "That's what you get" and "God is punishing you for the bombing, what comes around goes around."
Some were even unloading their pistols in the air in my village.

Christian Rogers
Christian Rogers

eh, that sense of a meh-k end of history has always appealed to me less than fire and brimstone. such cynicism, ill-will and a total refusal of optimism may have been po-faced (and more than a little clinically depressed) at the time, but it would be hard not to feel vindicated if that wasn't dominated by a sense of relief. Something like the vision set out and implied in Will Hutton's The State We're In should've been the 1990s response to the 1980s and I'd set that at the bare minimum* for any optimism. For the quick succession of big things (devolution, NI peace, minimum wage) there was equally a management style that sucked all the potential fun out of it and a bunch of tedious errata, best punctuated by Brown's conservative budgets and the ghastly pledge cards setting numerical little management targets, all optimism and joy to be finished off by the 2001 non-election. Good lord, what a bizarre 4 years. Then 9/11 ruined the dinner-party…

it probably says something pathological about my worldview that if neoliberalism did work, i would still reject it in favour of almost anything else. it makes more sense when you zoom in on the specific circumstances of early-Blairism, but even assuming things were working perfectly (i.e. lasting full employment by the market mechanism) there's something horrifying yet boring, something that just deeply fails to satisfy about the neoliberal vision, an existential nightmare that seems absent in other social systems. (Perhaps because, having fallen, we know those are not the end of history.)
Still, it can't be as pathological as those who remain Blairites, or those who have become Blairites while barely remembering his term in office.

*I mean, we did actually get a lot of the constitutional reform. Certainly the most overlooked element of the Blair government (except for viewers in Scotland. Though even they don't want to mention who did it.) We just didn't get the necessary economic reforms. Still, at least we also didn't follow Hutton's subsequent advice on the Eurozone. (Everyone can be wrong about something, i suppose…)

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Luke Ortiz
Luke Ortiz

To me, I think nostalgia for the Blair years comes because of the boredom, complete banality and dullness of it. When the biggest news story was Diana's death, and the strikes, riots and bombings of the 80's already felt like stuff to be studied in the history books, despite only having been a decade ago.

I don't think people at the time even realised how miserably uneventful it was, the general consensus to me was 'This is how politics are'.

I have to say, I'm glad it ended. But I can't help but feel a warm sort of safety for those years when I hear Pulp on the radio or see photos from back then.

there's something horrifying yet boring, something that just deeply fails to satisfy about the neoliberal vision, an existential nightmare that seems absent in other social systems.

Yeah, it lacks the drive or vision of any other kind of ideology. I wouldn't really call it one at all. It's the line of thought that career politicians followed, and we were taught was 'just how things are'. If you suggested anything too far to the left back then, you'd hear some snide 'And where's the money for that gonna come from?'. Only Thatcher ever really believed in it.

Grayson Murphy
Grayson Murphy

Got called racist in Greggs.

Hunter Davis
Hunter Davis

I find it really unsettling how firmly liberals believe their own propaganda. This person has hundreds agreeing not only that they are right, but that all other opinions are invalid.

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Dominic Murphy
Dominic Murphy

I mean, they're right. A confirmatory referendum is the 'right' (moral, democratic) thing to do. I simply do not care for that sort of democracy and oppose another referendum precisely because i get the feeling it might go the other way and keep us in.

Gabriel Walker
Gabriel Walker

it would be a fitting end to the whole Brexit process though even if it is inefficient.

Justin Young
Justin Young

Wouldn't the democratic process see us actually ACHIEVE brexit rather than just moan about it though? I mean, we haven't got the result of that DEMOCRATIC vote yet, but people are acting like we have and they're fed up with it. None of this turmoil is because of Brexit itself, we're not even out of the EU.

Eli King
Eli King

Made a new thread

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