/leftybritpol/ - The Ride Never Ends Edition

It's funny how much he makes the Blairites mad as fuck. At this point anyone you see bitching about "The Four M's" is practically a confirmed anti-socialist.

SYNDIES OUT

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still howl that some on the far-right of the labour party think Ed Miliband was a 'trot'

You fuckign want some?

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Four Ms?

Milne and McCluskey, and the lesser known two are Andrew Murray and Karie Murphy.

DIRECT RULE FROM THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE

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The TUC will never yield!

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MILNE FOR GENERAL SECRETARY

Then it will be removed…

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You can't just do that!

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Honestly I just came to the realisation that in the Kr timeline that Enoch powell would have been a Totalist and I am not sure what I think about that…

Not much tbh.
Its simple, Totalism (totalist) is bad, Totalism (vanguardist) is good.

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The brainlets really are running the asylum now, they're looking at the fucking Vienna Convention to see if they can just call do overs since no one understood that this kind of clusterfuck was possible, when any reading of it clearly states that being fucking retarded doesn't constitute a situation where its ok to ignore international treaty convention

This has to be the most specific vague statement I have ever read.

I can't be bothered with KR anymore, I've only managed to complete a CSA and UOB game, I drowned the world in my own blood as the CSA and sat on my little island shitting out planes until I unlocked nukes as the UOB

Does anyone know how to win as the great Khanate? I always end up getting shit on by the Qing or the German puppet that controls southern china

You're welcome

Basically they are looking at Article 62 of the vienna convention, which is the convention that governs how states treat treaties between states, and are trying to see if the absolute mess that brexit has become gives the EU and UK the option of legally acting as if the whole thing never happened, specifically because Art62 allows for no fault nullification of a treaty in situations where they've become impossible to fulfill due to unforeseen circumstances

This, probably.

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47568883

GF memes are cancer. i always think it's probably the kids that will grow up to be permavirgins or some shit.

At this point the rest of the EU is going to fuck off before us so we won't even have anything to leave.

EU is a dead man walking, just hasn't realized it yet.

reuters.com/article/us-commerzbank-m-a-deutsche-bank-explain/explainer-why-germany-wants-a-merger-to-underpin-deutsche-bank-idUSKBN1QU1RT

Remainer twitter is a weird and wild place
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Now that's out of the way wasn't Mordor the industrial heart of the orc empire?

Listen to that shit music tho… These people are so impotent, i can't wait till they go away.. Also, whoever invented twitter and gave these people such a platform should be shot.

kinda funny

They did it by destroying the environment and the workers being just replaceable drones, fairly apropos metaphor

Anyways, I'm still hoping for remain, if Corbyn is really serious about Lexit he should convince people like me.

We know, you tell us whenever you're not fighting for jihadi rights.

Most Labour constituencies want it, most marginal constituencies want it.

With EU rules against government interference and nationalizations, any even remotely socialist program necessitates leaving the EU by default. Or did you intend to pretend that being left-wing is acceptable in the EU or that you are yourself left-wing?

Mordor was a progressive, bourgeois democratic, constitutional monarchy, spearheading the industrial revolution in middle-earth, the wholly fictitious anti-mordor narrative written by the victors is based entirely in covering up the aggression of the reactionary feudalistic western powers, dehumanising the orcish and troll peoples and the plotting of the white council and entrenched ultrareactionary {{{elven}}} interests to maintain their dominion over middle-earth.

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Oh wow, this book was very good. Havn't read it since i was a teenager. Gonna re-read or try to find audio… Thanks!!!

What a big man you are, campaigning for the deaths of babies and punishing people for being groomed age 15. Absolute scumbag.

The actual percentages are piddling, are we going to be held hostage because 1.5% of people wanted Brexit more than Remain 2 years ago? I mean if we're just going to play electoralist opinion poll politics why not just bring New Labour back?

France has a 56% state economy, Britain has 37%, how is there not scope to do all that Corbyn has said he wants to do? The only thing that I'm aware that the EU bans is nationalisation without compensation to the current owners, which while I would support that, will never in a million years happen in this country. There's nothing that prohibits state industry or nationalistion.

Are you so blind that you can't see the only likely outcome if we leave the EU is far right tyranny? Racists and xenophobes everywhere will hail the Tories as their saviours and elect them yet again, we'll be much worse off than when we started. You want to impose that on us because what, in some hypothetical future we might be able to seize the state and throw out all the CEOs? If the popular support for that was strong enough for it to actually happen it wouldn't matter what the EU said about it to begin with.

If being pro-Leave is such a principled left wing position then why is Corbyn too afraid to come out and say it, and explain to people why? He's hiding behind the Tories like a scondrel and hoping they'll do it so he doesn't have to.

What a big baby you are, always being a bitch.

Ignorant cunt, don't blame me when things get even worse post-Brexit. You think things are bad now? Wait until we get even more like America.

Is Britain sick of debating abortion and the 15 year old girl who joined ISIS? why the fuck do people sperg out when you bring it up

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Because a lot of people on here have way too much sympathy for far right arguments/views

What he's doing now is just slow suicide, do you think the Remain camp is blind and they can't see what he's doing? Leave voters are still backing the Tories and think Corbyn is a marxist agitator so who is he trying to appeal to? If he wants a left wing Brexit he needs to actually say it, the thing people liked about Corbyn was his honesty and frankness, now his reputation is all but ruined (just look at the polls on his trustworthyness).

He keeps whining about it being wrong or setting a bad precedent or something to strip jihadists of their citizenship, the baby should have been brought back, fair the foreign office should have grabbed it off her and taken it back to the UK or at least intervened to get it medical care, but the mother dug her own grave

Because he's had every position on the EU spoonfed to him like a little baby and still insists on shitting the place up with his graun tier takes. He is quite literally, in the plainest of terms, a fucking liberal. Look at this fucking shit
The absolute state of this faggot. I don't even know what he means by it but I know he's been BTFO by whatever it is he's trying to imply dozens of times as I can come back here after weeks and find him repeating the same shit over and over, as if nobody has ever told him before.

But she was underage when she took that decision, no different than being made a sex slave by someone from her own country at that age, she totally deserves another chance.

Nah fuck her, certain things are unforgivable, the death of her kid is saddening but ultimately its still her fault

Show me a link to EXACTLY how the EU would stop Corbyn's policy agenda and I'll read it, nothing I've seen thus far is convincing.

I literally brought it up twice, sorry you can't face the consequences of what you supported.

No different from some circlejerking beer-swilling populist, don't act like people who join the army are any better than her, they at least make the decision when they're at least 18.

twitter.com/joncstone/status/1105375856531169280
The EU is forcing France to privatise 150 dams. Corbyn wants to nationalise british electrical production infrastructure.

You've had it explained to you plenty of times you lying little cunt.

Yes, I've heard you say it plenty of times, but as I said, I've yet to see real proof. How is it my fault I can't understand it when the so called left wing Brexit crowd is trying to hide in the shadows and not explain anything to the public?

Okay, that's something, I appreciate that, though I feel like it might be difficult to separate out in that case the difference between the EU actually mandating it and the French government using it as an excuse to do something they would like to anyway.

"This is required because since 2006 EDF has been a state owned commercial company rather than a pure public service with special status (that structural change itself was made in response to EU rule liberalising the energy market) and so can’t get preferential treatment"

I'd like to understand this bit better as well. I mean we have a big EDF office in my city, it's hardly like it's an old style national industry.

Today's proposed 2nd ref amendment has been defeated hard style
334 Noes 85 Ayes

WHY YOU ALWAYS LYING?
www.caef.org.uk/d113rylml.html

If every Labour MP had voted for the amendment, it would have still failed.

implying your significant enough to be blamed for anything, let alone fucking brexit.

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Yeah I know, pretty funny that 25 ish of them decided to rebel against the whip anyway
There's no better way to show your independence and daring than rebelling on a totally safe and utterly pointless vote

BREAK THE CHAINS

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Again though the government wanted to privatise British Mail anyway so is it really so clearcut? I appreciate this but I still am not really convinced, you've proposed two cases where 1. the EDF was part-privatised because the government wanted to, and now is being forced to compete since it is not fully state owned, 2. the EU may have helped make Royal Mail less profitable (not that there are any sources for this) but the government wanted to privatise it anyway so isn't it a moot point?

As has been pointed out, some EU countries completely ignore certain rules like Italy and Greece so even if they put a demand to Corbyn, which I'm still not totally convinced they would, does he really have to abide by it?

And of course COBRA has been calling you up personally to consult, it's a turn of phrase twat.

When is Labour's proposed vote on an extension then? They do realise there's only 2 weeks left?

I think he just trying to keep the Remainers and the Leave/North together with a compromise. Really any actual Lexit has to start with with a slight from EU against Corbyn when he enacts his plans to re-nationalize everything

OH FUCK NO DEAL IS HAPPENING

Yes… YES!!!

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Nigga, I'm a Totalist

based bongs

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Well the amendments have been voted down, there's still the general gov motion on the extension.

Not all totalists are equal.

The gov motion for an extension passed.

For how long?

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Nobody knows

I didn't realise that was even happening today.

It's extended til 30th of June.

What a pisstake. Will things be any different by then?

Its only going to be applying for an extension to the 30th June if the May deal gets approved by the 20th (next week's vote) which is won't, then they'll apply for a longer one.

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I heard rumors that one of the nation states (Italy?) may veto it when they vote on

Doesn't the EU have to agree to an extension?

Labour Shia coalition when?

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How likely is the Irish Republic getting another 6 counties because of Tory stupidity?

Likelyhood grows by the day

What are we going to do if it doesn't work out lads?

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Everyone move to the Shetland islands and start a commune waheyy

Join the SDP and shill for socialism as nationalism because then it might as well be.

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i fucking hate how many normies have found kr since hoi4

Anyone have any experience with CPGB-ML? They're one of the few parties (other than Labour) that actually seem to do shit near me. I know they have the whole "Stalin portraits" thing going on but honestly that doesn't really bother me that much.

They have a weird thing against LGBT movements. Obviously rainbow capitalism is shit but they take it pretty far. Labour probably has more possibilities to doing good stuff but it is really dependant were you are

Yeah. I still find myself agreeing with them on a lot.

Any idea how amenable Labour is to Marxist ideas at the local level, in general at least? Obviously it'll vary from CLP to CLP, but I've heard people talking about hearing Marxist ideas discussed in their CLPs before. I have some (hopefully understandable) reservations about Labour, hence my preference for CPGB-ML, but thinking about it a little more attending the closest CPGB-ML meetings would mean a 90-minute bus ride both ways which might not be too practical.

I really like Rob Griffiths, the current General Sectretary. He's appeared on Desolation Radio(a podcast about Marxism in Wales) a few times and each time I've come away respecting him and his the CPGB more, so I'm similarly interested.

One point I'm uncertain on is the vehement anti-EU stance which has allowed them to grouped together with UKIP and other right-wing shitheads. I don't entirely disagree with Lexit and shit but I don't know if the average person has patience to understand the differences in the viewpoints

I think Rob Griffiths is with CPB, rather than CPGB-ML. And I dunno. "The EU is an obstacle to worker's power due to the structure of its constitution" vs. "the EU is bad because muh immigrunts" seems a fairly simple concept to grasp, no?

From my personal experience I've been at a momentum meeting (all Labour party members) and the topic of nationalisation came up. All of the people there were critical of Labours past nationalisation policies and were talking about how the nationalised industries need to be run by workers councils instead of from Westminster. There were even a couple of M-Ls there. So Marxism is expectable I guess how much you have to hide it being Marxism depends where you are though.

There are so many splinter groups who the fuck knows anymore

Tbh theres great doc on yt about the dissolution of the CPGB. It is kinda weird ngl.

Capitalist realism personified

This is mostly itself because of idpol from the Brar family

You'd think it was entryism with the CLPs, but it's actually just people unironically radicalizing organically, it's actually pretty impressive since this has all happened within the space of a couple of years and shows no sign of slowing down.

Yeah, its really quite weird tbh. I remember a newsnight programme back in 2015 asking if marx was making a comeback: now im pretty sure stuff is decently well known.

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Interesting, then. I dunno how active my local Momentum are, but my CLP is definitely kicking. If nothing else I figure it's a decent opportunity to get a bit of experience, no?

That entire blog is pretty good tbh: scarfolk.blogspot.com/

Direct rule from Jezza's allotment tbh

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In the one post-referendum election we've had, Labour increased their vote share by nearly 10 points. But somehow you are the only person still clinging to this pre-referendum Remainer talking point that Brexit means endless right-wing government.

Settling for piss-weak social democracy, or holding out for socialism? Tough one, that.

This is necessary though. You can't allow idpol to get any foothold or it will gradually take over your org.

Where are the meetings and where do you live?

I think most of those groups are dead. CPB and CPGB-ML are the only significant ones. The latter has very few members apparently but they punch above their weight.

Eh CPB has like ~700 members, for reference the SSP is assUmed to have about 3k. Organisationally trots have outnumbered MLs since the 50s.