Questions for communists/socialists

I cut down trees and make wood planks with my homemade tools. Then a friend stocks and sells them in the house my pa made, to give me more time to make the planks. What percent of the of the profits should the friend get from this?

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Any answer to this question should mention that we wish to abolish money.

Ok, but do you wish to abolish trade as well?

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History has progressed past these simplistic scenarios. The current mode of production is much more socially involved.
To cut down trees you'll have to get a permit from the local council. We don't want the local ecosystem to be disturbed by your shenanigans.
You and your friend will basically just be roleplaying. If anyone needs planks they'll be produced much more effectively on an industrial scale.

If what you and your friend were doing was socially useful, you'd be compensated for the time and effort spent laboring. "Profits" aren't the right term though. You'll be directly maintained by the rest of the community.
It's a very basic way of organizing human activity, much more basic than trade. Everyone is expected to do a bit of work, and everyone gets to enjoy the fruits of that work at the end of the day. If you have worked less (without good cause for it) you get less of a claim on those fruits.
The claims you have would be regulated by labor-tokens or something along those lines. You show them to the store clerk, they stamp them, and get you what you need. (Today it'll work digitally, but you get the point.)


Basically. Though what we'll really do is stop enforcing any property that isn't meant for personal use. You'll have a right to your home and workplace, but not to some arbitrary stash of planks you're intending to trade. The police won't come to your protection for those. This makes trade impossible.

This. These libetarian scenarios always imagine some 19th century artisan production when reality is almost all production happens on an industrial scale.

are you a socialist OP?

If yes, and you belive in coops, maybe you should both read something about them and work something out.
If else there is no right answer just make a deal.

If you are a a grade A bacon porky just pay him the minimum.

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that's 99% of libertarians and ancaps and their theory

I disagree, it's the principle of the argument. and you're wrong anyway because there's the amish, 3rd world countries, anprim dummies, hillbilly folk, and preppers who live off the grid. They make there own shit from the environment around them all the fucking time.


Let me guess, you're a ☭TANKIE☭.


Depends on the place, and how much we sell them for.


Mate, I'm trying to tackle the problems you have in society of today, and show you how employers aren't always evil money hungry jews who profit off the labor of others. And that the worker isn't always the one who makes a business successful.


Ok, point me to this country then. There's places so untouched by man, that you can make your own nation like that there if wish, instead of trying to convert another through advocating violent force of the masses.


Yep, a ☭TANKIE☭ who fallows how stalin's "money-less" society.

Btw black markets are a thing, even in the USSR.

These communist scenarios always imagine 19th century warehouse when talking about the labor of the working conditions for the modern, 40 hour a week, blue collar, Americans these days.

I'd vote for a Democrat socialist.

I'd like to think I'd pay him about 30%.

it's not how horrible the situation is, in foreign countries capitalism shows its true face.

read about how Amazon's workers are treated for example

That's why they need to unionize.

Yes, they need to unionize.

You don't have to show us anything, Ace. You're not smart, you're not saying anything we havn't heard a million times before. You aren't as dumb as you used to be, but fuck, you need to stop thinking you understand our position and just fucking listen.

Don't worry, election year I'll come by with bipartisan questions. Glad I have a long time fan. I tried thinking of new questions, but I guess someone must have beat me to the punch this time.

Wait aren't you the same retard that thinks we should just redistribute our money among ourselves, communists?

I don't think so.

oh ok sorry mate have a cute ball

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Last year or two I used to ask a lot of questions, some under the name of user. I kinda left because I have a life now.

well come next time we aren't having a bait thread on the frontpage, so tomorrow maybe, everyone is busy getting baited by Zig Forumsyps

A. Pretty vauge
B. We seek to replace capitalism, not make it "right"

Want me to go into more detail?

I intend to destroy communism, not make it right.

You are a naive slave to the system.

Funny, I would have said the same thing to you if we where in the USSR.

The country that became a superpower in less than a few decades without imperialism or slavery uh.

haha are you romanian by any chance?

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Yes, how completely unique to the 19th century.

That's beside the point. It is not our intention to soften capitalism or make sure who gets how much profit. It is our intention to replace capitalism so the example you give simply wouldn't be an issue.

As little as you can give him.

Stupid ☭TANKIE☭.

No.

I thought you were against how simple it was, but ok.

Can you stop comparing happy working people with rights to disgruntled slave esk working people without rights from days gone past?

Fucking READ, there's NOTHING in this post that implies "happiness" or lack thereof. It is a pure description of the life of a wage labourer. Why do you insist on misunderstanding everything? Are you truly this retarded?

I know who the OP is, and he isn't here to argue. This guy is a retarded liberal

why are you worried about us outlawing something when you'd be driven out of business by a larger company anyway

Most workers still work under 19th century conditions, and the ones that don’t only don’t because of a combination of militant class struggle and imperialism. Even those gains are starting to be eroded, and are under constant threat.

why the fuck would you let your friend take money from your dad is the real question.

Damn, being a prole is only when you are sad and sharing a company barracks with 20 other families. Very cool.

so what if i have my little plot of land and i want to build a cabin
i cut planks for my cabin not trading, do the police come for those? or do i just get issued planks from some local authority?

oh nevermind, just realized you addressed this in the first part of your post