The shooter claimed the following

Nolan Gutierrez
Nolan Gutierrez

The shooter claimed the following:
Did you always hold these views?
No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a
libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.
What do we do about communists and anarchists who convert to right-wing ideologies?

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maoistrebelnews.com/2019/03/15/the-new-zealand-shooter-and-his-ideology/
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Jeremiah Perez
Jeremiah Perez

communist to anarchist
how the fuck

Kayden Foster
Kayden Foster

Dude wasn't that old, I'm guessing when he called himself a communist and anarchist he meant that he was just kinda anti-authority. Then he grew up into a bootlicking retard, like plenty of people do.
Most people don't go left to right unless they really just don't give a shit about the ideology in question, it's not something you can prevent.

David Evans
David Evans

this. even weirder: commie -> anarch -> fasch

peak inconsistency

Caleb Powell
Caleb Powell

i wonder if it was the same way some nazis start to actually call themselves socialists, they don't realize it was all a ruse and embrace the part the nazis lied about, i think Varg said something about how he got tired of nazism because a lot of his nazi pals were embracing socialism, i wonder if any of them actually knows what socialism even means.

Evan Reed
Evan Reed

Dude wasn't that old
He was almost 30 though.

Benjamin Wilson
Benjamin Wilson

i wonder if any of them actually knows what socialism even means
The shooter knows.
He wrote on this pdf/maniesto/whatever the following
Were/are you a socialist?
Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of
production? It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who
currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently
owns the state, and its intents.

Andrew Ross
Andrew Ross

I'm not convinced that it's a major issue. I think there are very stupid people out there that are attracted to radical political ideologies they don't really understand. it's not much we can do about that other than educate ourselves.

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

Nearly his whole manifesto was a joke. He said that fornite taught him white supremecy.

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

He said that fornite taught him white supremecy.
He was being sarcastic about it.

Were you taught violence and extremism by video games,music,literature,cinema?
Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. Fortnite trained me to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies.
No.
The first yes is obviously a joke, that's why he later says no.

Jayden Mitchell
Jayden Mitchell

Believing anything a /pol/tard tells you
Seriously? You don't listen to demons user. They don't care about truth. They just want to spread despair.

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Tyler Torres
Tyler Torres

almost 30
old
Pick one.

Bentley Sanders
Bentley Sanders

I would rather not turn a blind eye to a problem that's facing the left right now.

Austin Reed
Austin Reed

literally the whole manifesto is ironically written peak /pol/ shit. He was most likely never really communist.

Hunter Roberts
Hunter Roberts

What he meant by this is that he enjoyed windowshopping for ideologies. Even at his final destination of schizo-fascism he has no consistent theoretical understanding of it. That picture in his manifesto that says "anti-imperialism" is part of ultra-reactionary politics? These "people" take great pleasure in US-led looting of the world.

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

The whole "I used to be a leftist but then I became a Nazi because…" is such a common /pol/ lie dude. What they mean usually is that they were American right liberals but then became racist. It's not a left wing problem. It's a liberal one.

Anthony King
Anthony King

taking a /pol/yps manifesto in good faith
i didn't know liberal journos posted on Zig Forums these days

Zachary Hernandez
Zachary Hernandez

he got tired of nazism because a lot of his nazi pals were embracing socialism
I don't think so, Varg made a video about communism were he said Karl Marx was a cool dude and that corporatism is destroying the world and shit. Varg is actually pretty "woke" about a lot of issues, but he just has to tack "muh heritage, the jews" onto the end of everything.

youtube.com/watch?v=RdyfIOK3ZXQ
youtube.com/watch?v=TzAsH_7zHMY

this why idpol is cancer, so many great potential revolutionaries are ruined by turning their efforts towards racist nonsense

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Ryder Turner
Ryder Turner

The guy was a group thinking idiot that was radicalised by going down a rabbit hole of hatred. He didn't look at anything from any other perspective, he was just full bent on killing the "invader" which is just fucking stupid. The problems of the world cant just be as black and white as that. Fucking idiot that deserves a bullet, him and all the other "eco-fascist" retards that exist around the world. People like this have the brains of a child.

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

"communist"
"anarchist"
I can almost guarantee that he has some incredibly vulgar (if not entirely incorrect) idea of what communism and anarchism are.

Colton Watson
Colton Watson

varg
great potential revolutionary

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Charles King
Charles King

his woman doesn't get soeaking wet at the sight of his large wizarding hat

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Parker Gonzalez
Parker Gonzalez

How can you go from an anarchist to a bootlicker facist?

Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

Ideological window-shopping.

Cooper Peterson
Cooper Peterson

By either lying or by being a suburbanite who is also racist.

Gavin Smith
Gavin Smith

By having zero understanding of any anarchist theory and just LARPING as le edgy punk mommy issues anarchist.

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Aiden Howard
Aiden Howard

What do we do about communists and anarchists who convert to right-wing ideologies?
Bullshit. He was an anglofag, when he says "communism" he means "when the government does stuff" and by "anarchist" he means "fuck u mom & dad", he's not using the actual definitions that we use. You can infer this by the fact that he claims he was an anarchist and then became a libertarian: if he knew what he was talking about he would know that those 2 are the exact same fucking thing.

REMEMBER: POLITICAL ILLITERACY PLAGUES THE ANGLOSPHERE, NOT JUST THE BURGERMUTTS
depends on the definition
Bullshit, there's only one definition.

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Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

lol okay do you want to talk about how spyro the dragon radicalized him too?
these demons are liars user.

Logan Baker
Logan Baker

This. Anglosphere politics have the most spectacle-focused politics because they form the bulk of the imperial core.

Kayden Garcia
Kayden Garcia

I keep seeing people say this but I dont see that at all. It looks extremely sincere to me.

Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

are you serious? the whole thing is filled with ironic speech. meme copy paste and other absurd non-sense. all by design to mislead and illude.

Hudson Moore
Hudson Moore

Why the fuck do you retards all take him in good faith and believe he actually thought of himself as having had some ideological journey but just had a shallow or incorrect understanding. I swear the left is fucking autistically pure minded sometimes. RIGHTARDS LIE. How many times does it take before you stop taking them at their word? How many times does it take before you stop letting them frame the discussion and present themselves to you and the world in the way THEY WANT TO BE SEEN.

Brandon Nelson
Brandon Nelson

Also almost all of them are settler colonial countries.

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

Yes, because your average American liberal self-identifies as an anarchist and a communist, and the average nazi knows shit about the means of production.

He knows what actual socialism means, so I wouldn't be surprised if he knew what communism and anarchism was too. See

How do we stop them in the first place? That's why I made this thread.

Bullshit, there's only one definition
And he gave the correct definition. He probably meant "depends" because Americans are dumb and think "socialists = liberals". I can't blame him for that.

when he says "communism" he means "when the government does stuff" and by "anarchist" he means "fuck u mom & dad"
We know this isn't true because he knows what socialism actually means here

if he knew what he was talking about he would know that those 2 are the exact same fucking thing
You know damn well he meant the American kind of "libertarianism".

He was being sarcastic about the video games. See

Jordan Wood
Jordan Wood

Bingo.
Basically imagine what Israel will be like in 100 years when all the Palestinians are dead. That's the Anglosphere.

Noah Long
Noah Long

It has always been "a problem" though. In the 1920s and early 30s there were KPD members who joined the NSDAP and vice-versa.

Also, a lot of people join "extreme" ideologies for personal reasons. Quite a few students in the 1960s-70s got involved in leftism to find someone to have sex with.

A lot of ex-leftists-turned-anti-communists often had "bad experiences" that touched off their move to the right. Jay Lovestone briefly headed the Communist Party of the United States until he was denounced by Stalin, whereupon he spent a decade in political limbo until he decided to travel the world on behalf of the CIA to fight communist influence in trade unions.

Eldridge Cleaver denounced Huey Newton as a "revisionist" and insisted that the BPP should prepare for guerrilla warfare against the US government. When the American left largely sided with Newton over him, he felt betrayed, all lonely in Algerian and French exile. Then he had a vision while looking at the moon one night, and became a born again Christian and right-winger.

David Horowitz went from the author of The Free World Colossus (a popular left critique of US foreign policy back in the day) to "argh Barack Obama is a crypto-Marxist"-tier analysis because he had a falling out with the Black Panthers.

There will always be people who join the communist or anarchist movement and leave it. Hell, if you look at the founders of communist parties there are quite a few who reverted to social-democracy or became reactionary renegades.

It's just how movements work. It's of course important to address people who are having personal problems that the right might exploit, but that this guy claims to be an ex-communist and ex-anarchist isn't some forbidding development. Mussolini himself was formerly editor of the Italian Socialist Party's main newspaper.

Isaac Wilson
Isaac Wilson

It's very likely he doesn't really know what communism or anarchism really are. Consider the millions of liberals who consider themselves socialists because they support medicare for all.

Joseph Gonzalez
Joseph Gonzalez

It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents.
Literal death to idpol.

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

I was alerted to someone in my area posting memes like this (extreme neo-Nazi / mass shooter worship), so I along with others monitored him. He then switched everything on a dime to far-left radicalism, communist stuff, one big US military base in Syria, etc. and then began to LARP as a Kurdish militant. He also followed a bunch of socialist / left groups in town including my own, so we went to stage 2 and took on security precautions. He then deleted everything and vanished.

I don't know if he was trolling or what, or adopting some kind of entryist plot or was looking for attack opportunities, but it didn't really matter. I think what happens is that some people are just in it for the violence and the left doesn't accept them (usually) while the far right does. What's the solution? Hell if I know. Arm yourself and be afraid.

John Nguyen
John Nguyen

Shoved into a mental hospital to be studied.

Juan Long
Juan Long

I see it like evangelical Protestant churches where every pastor has an origin story of "I used to be in rave scene every night and saw the bodies pile up every night when other no-good druggies like me had 'death orgies' to Satan!" It's made up but scares their audiences and serves an ideological purpose.

Owen Smith
Owen Smith

He's trolling, don't take anything he said for real.

Leo Hill
Leo Hill

He might have been a fed. Sounds like agent provocateur/honeypot shit.

Eli Watson
Eli Watson

was communist then anarchist then eco fash
yeah soomethings telling me he knows shit about any of those

Nicholas Kelly
Nicholas Kelly

These "people" take great pleasure in US-led looting of the world.

How? These pwople are the only people who are consistently against the war

Levi Davis
Levi Davis

He included """socialism""" in his manifesto to help the media use his attack to censor actual socialists.
He's deliberately encouraging horseshoe theory to smear us.

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

Based on his manifesto, he sounds completely deluded and mentally ill. I don't know, I'm not a shrink of course, but it seems to me like there is some serious dissociation going on. Even ignoring the rotten, sociopathic brutality of driving over a crawling, injured person begging for their life, just look at the infantile memes like "subscribe to pewdiepie" before he started his shooting. If he ever was a communist, he was a bad one at that. His reasoning is decidedly un-Marxist, no good communist can go from materialist reasoning and analysis to this subjective feelings=reality garbage that his entire manifesto is.

Another thing that I find particularly curious, the shooter writes that he was in contact with the organization that Norwegian child mass-murderer Breivik claimed to be part of, the Knights Templar or some such garbage:
But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justicar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights.

There exists not iota of evidence that such an organization exists, not an iota. It simply does not exist outside the sad delusions of the mentally deranged Breivik and his roleplaying fantasies. Yet the shooter references the organization, and not like some sort of abstract way, but as a concrete organization with a structure. He is clearly lying. But it's such an outrageously ridiculous lie.

Here is the manifesto if anyone hasn't yet seen this garbage: documentcloud.org/documents/5770516-The-Great-Replacement-New-Zealand-Shooter.html

Juan Sanders
Juan Sanders

how do i into anarchist theory

Ian Perez
Ian Perez

If that's his goal why not say hes a communist antifa and against all religion

Jayden Bell
Jayden Bell

I was once an egalitarian leftist also, then converted to traditionalism, nativism and white nationalism.

I'm fiscally liberal, while actually reactionary, yet I'm placed on the political spectrum near socialists.

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Jack Richardson
Jack Richardson

Because no one would believe that, he would be denounced by his fellow /pol/yps while he wants to be a martyr and it would be discovered he's actually a /pol/yp within a day and the general lesson the public and media would take is 'nazi mass murderer trying to smear the left by false flagging' instead of 'nazis are actually left wing and conservatives are good boys who nazis hate'

Austin Gutierrez
Austin Gutierrez

drop trad, nativism whatever the fuck that means and white nationalism, also liberalism and be only communist

Jace Flores
Jace Flores

Look, I won't waste my time explaining this to you, it is inevitable. You will see this causal connection the moment you take the blinders off. Marx's theories were not only descriptive, but predictive; and when the world around us fails to provide the "inevitable" and satisfying outcomes he preached, there are very few alternative conclusions to arrive at.

Jack Richardson
Jack Richardson

It's a pretty simple progression really that a huge amount of right-wingers have gone through, whether they were originally lefty or liberatarian.
Idealistic -> Realistic

Michael Johnson
Michael Johnson

i think i know about this marx fella, he said shoot people for no reason right?

Logan Lewis
Logan Lewis

You know damn well he meant the American kind of "libertarianism".
Yeah and if he wasn't an idiot he would know that that isn't what actual libertarianism is, so it's confusing why he might get one term correct and not the other. It's possible he could've also meant the "social darwinist" misunderstanding of anarchism. Ultimately we don't know. It seems strange why he would say "depends" in an attempt to differentiate what liberals think socialism is from actual socialism and then not do the exact same nuance with libertarianism. Also: the shooter, Brenton Tarrant, is a Cunt (Australian native) so it seems odd why he would use the Amerifag version of "libertarianism."

In the meantime, If the mods will please allow this, I'll post some evidence I was able to scrape off several threads before deletion.
(Some advice: during HAPPENINGS, timing is everything, browse thru threads quickly and keep 'auto-update thread' on; quickly scan thru threads looking for links, pics, and videos, and save them before they get deleted, you always have time to browse the threads and archive them later; if the thread gets purged, you'll still have it on your screen, so take screencaps before you close your tabs; the prime boards to check for the relevent threads include the popular boards such as /v/, /b/, /pol/, /k/, etc.; The most important thing you can do is archive/screencap the original thread where the announcement was posted.)

Attachments related: photos of Brenton Tarrant & his Memefesto (Haven't read it yet, myself)
Original thread: archive.fo/G04Xx
His twitter: archive.fo/TuT4U

I have the entire livestreamed video (16 minutes long, .mp4 format, file size too large to post) and also a video (taken by a civilian) of the aftermath where wounded survivors are taking refuge. If mods will allow it without me getting b&, I could upload them somewhere if you need them.
Start here: theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread
Fuck off, already.

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Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

you mean
material -> emotional

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

All these different flavors of fascism are just ideological window dressing to cover up the fact you have no theory and are just choosing your politics according to what makes you feel good. You are not "near socialists" on the political spectrum and you should get off the internet and read some books

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Jacob Gomez
Jacob Gomez

Unironically using the term "fiscally liberal"
I like how all of these fascists are just obvious amerifats or anglosphere fucktards. They are not taking the end of empire well at all.

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Austin Mitchell
Austin Mitchell

he looks irishian from irishland

Ayden Davis
Ayden Davis

Also: the shooter, Brenton Tarrant, is a Cunt (Australian native) so it seems odd why he would use the Amerifag version of "libertarianism."
To be fair, is there any other version of it in Australia? To my knowledge libertarian ideologues have spent the past few decades trying to export their ideology to other countries. Obviously with limited success, but still.

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

What do we do about communists and anarchists who convert to right-wing ideologies?

Anyone who does this was never a leftist to begin with.Talk to one of these "I USED TO BE A COMMIE :DDDD" types about theory and you realize that they don't know shit.

Nolan Jenkins
Nolan Jenkins

Thanks for the informative post.

if you look at the founders of communist parties there are quite a few who reverted to social-democracy or became reactionary renegades
I can understand social-democracy, but reactionaries? I find that difficult to believe. Is that really true?

Sure.

That sounds to me like someone insecure in search for a sense of belonging.

He knows what socialism actually means.

Yeah, this really What you are saying is pretty far-fetched.

If he ever was a communist, he was a bad one at that
Sure, I don't think anyone is denying that.

His reasoning is decidedly un-Marxist
Well, that's obvious, he stopped being a communist.

Had no idea about the organization by the way, that's pretty weird.

Because no one would believe that
I'm pretty sure something like Fox would broadcast that version of the story and many would believe that. It's just a far-fetched conclusion, and I wouldn't take any of his ideas to have enough depth to attempt something like that.

wew

so it's confusing why he might get one term correct and not the other
I don't know where you are from, but in most European and American countries when you say you are a Libertarian people assume you are the right wing kind.

It seems strange why he would say "depends"
My point of view he said "depends" because Americans think that "liberals = socialists" (which he knows he's not a liberal).

He said he was irish/english/scottish, iirc
Doesn't really matter anyways.

Anyone who does this was never a leftist to begin with
Come on, that's just lame. The idea that people can be commies once and then not doesn't invalidate them being commies on the first place. Now, was this guy actually a commie? I don't know, but saying he wasn't because of meaningless blanket statements like yours would be a mistake.

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

look up grenade attacks in sweden

watch this post mysteriously disappear soon

Julian Torres
Julian Torres

The slaughter of our people will be met with the complete annihilation of your people.

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Logan Parker
Logan Parker

How about you kill yourself instead?

Brandon Campbell
Brandon Campbell

/pol/ is going to hoot about this for a while, memeing about LE ROPE DAY and other Nazi masturbation fantasy shit without a single one of them leaving their basements. This will serve only to give the right a bad name, and prove that at their core, fascists are just a bunch of thugs.

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Leo Bell
Leo Bell

sorry no muslim here go away

Matthew Sanders
Matthew Sanders

1) He's fucking bullshitting, 95% of the manifesto was just to ironic poison to (attempt to) rile the media up.
2) If this is actually earnest(it's not), he was probably a "I liked the cool USSR aesthetics and music". Any leftist with a brain would have figured out long ago that the vitriol against muslims is just to find a scapegoat to split the proletariat so they stop getting mad about capitalism.

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Sebastian Sanders
Sebastian Sanders

settler mutts thinking they have a "people"
You guys do realize that actual Europeans don't even buy that whole pan-white identity schtick right? It's a settler thing. Ironically enough the only institution that might adopt that kind of idpol eventually (the EU) is openly despised by far rightists. You are shilling for a death cult, nothing more.

Jeremiah Russell
Jeremiah Russell

I can understand social-democracy, but reactionaries? I find that difficult to believe. Is that really true?
Well among the founders of the American communist parties in 1919 you had Louis C. Fraina (whom historian Theodore Draper wrote "did more than anyone else to make possible the formation of the American Communist movement in 1919") end up as a liberal anti-communist, the aforementioned Lovestone end up the same way, Ben Gitlow (conservative anti-communist), Bertram Wolfe (ditto), Max Eastman (ditto), etc.

I can't think of any who became fascists, but Gitlow became a stereotypical Christian crusader against the global communist menace.

I'm sure many other communist parties had similar figures who, at the height of revolutionary enthusiasm, joined forces with others to set up said parties but later became disillusioned or turned opportunist.

Jackson Sanchez
Jackson Sanchez

Per this logic, Islamist violence is excused because it's a response to U.S. bombs doing the same to them. You are a fucking retard ideologue, a fucking pawn. Kindly kill yourself.

Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

I don't know, but saying he wasn't because of meaningless blanket statements like yours would be a mistake.

I'm generalizing heavily, but from experience I can tell you it's most likely that. Never understood the theory, probably never actually believed in it.

People like this are super alienated and are likely looking for a sense of "community" in their lives, so they just try on political stances like hats without ever actually understanding them.

Reactionary politics are usually the perfect fit for people like this, since it's so based on raw emotion.

Brody Phillips
Brody Phillips

This. The shooter is trying to create political disorder by claiming everything from Pewdiepie to communism because he knows retards and the media will eat it up and make silly connections.

Jaxon King
Jaxon King

the complete annihilation of your people.
You probably don't want that since this board is unironically whiter that /pol/.

Oliver Smith
Oliver Smith

Was a reply to

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Never understood the theory, probably never actually believed in it.
And how many self-described communists today actually understand theory? I know for a fact that a lot of Zig Forums doesn't know any theory, will barely have even read the manifesto, and will just shitpost on twitter or 4chan.
My issue here is you simply cherrypicking "who is and who is not a communist". How can we even know going by your logic?

People like this are super alienated and are likely looking for a sense of "community" in their lives
This is most likely the case, but the statement you made before still bothers me.

I don't think he had any plans when he said the pewdiepie thing to be honest. It just seemed like an IRL shitpost.

Isaac Moore
Isaac Moore

To be fair, is there any other version of it in Australia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Australia)
Oh Christ, the Americancer is metastasizing.
I don't know where you are from, but in most European and American countries when you say you are a Libertarian people assume you are the right wing kind
Burger here, but when I asked my friends from Germany, Switzerland, Norway, etc. about the definition of libertarianism they usually correctly identify it as anarchism or describe it as such, not the 'muh small gubberminet abolish minimum wage what if the child consents tho? :DDD' amerifag version.
The idea that people can be commies once and then not doesn't invalidate them being commies on the first place
Even if he was it would have to be an entry-level, theorylet, booklet understanding. Just because you can describe it doesn't mean you understand it. Just because you can describe what snowking is doesn't mean you understand how snow works, and the processes behind it, etc.

This isn't some "No true communist" fallacy in an attempt to distance ourselves because we don't want to be associated with a psychopath; The point of the matter is that leftwing theory, rooted in materialism, is such an advanced understanding that eventually you progress (assuming you did the reading and understand it) to a point where going back is basically impossible. For example, it was believed in older times that pests such as bugs and rats were formed from rotten grain, garbage, dust, etc., but after an understanding of biological processes we now know that they reproduce just like any animal. If you start by thinking the former is true, and then, after reading (and understanding) basic biology, you realize that the latter is actually true, you can't go back to believing they're formed from garbage again. Because you have an advanced understanding in such that you know it isn't true.

Leftwing theory works the same way. After you realize the capitalist and prole class distinction, modes of production, material conditions, historical progression, etc. you can't really go back to belieivng muh ancient worldwide jewish conspiracy and muslims are the cause of all society's ills, because you know it isn't true. The argument being made here is that even if he was a communist at one point, he was a brainlet who probably liked the endgoal of communism, but didn't do any reading of how the process works.
some girl got killed by a muslim so the only solution is to go murder unrelated innocents
what is guilt by association
Every day I wake up I thank the Holy Trinity of Marx, Kropotkin, and Saint Max that I didn't become a nazifag.

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Levi Taylor
Levi Taylor

I'm pretty sure he's lying.

Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

We're not going to find anything new (content wise) in this manifesto lads. It's far more interesting/disturbing to see literal memes be touted as ideology and theory. This, for me, is the scary development in the manifesto at least

Josiah Clark
Josiah Clark

I agree. In some ways the memes (like "subscribe to pewdiepie" before starting his slaughter) are more sociopathic than the brutality of the slaughter itself.

Kayden Rivera
Kayden Rivera

he was most likely a "communist" in the sense that he was vaguely anti-corporation and an "anarchist" in the sense that he just didn't like authority, then settled on "eco-fascism" because nihilistic memery

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Brody Moore
Brody Moore

Memes really are important for propaganda I guess. Rafiq just got BTFO.

Mason Kelly
Mason Kelly

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MEMES?

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

The Roo gives his hot take on the incident and the perpetrator:
maoistrebelnews.com/2019/03/15/the-new-zealand-shooter-and-his-ideology/

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Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

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Parker Perez
Parker Perez

25 minutes long
jfc m8 can you make your shit more digestible? i can only handle 2 sargons worth of content at most.

Austin Clark
Austin Clark

What kind of a retard would even include that "question" in the manifesto. It just shows you how completely fucking infantile the shooter is.

Jaxson Anderson
Jaxson Anderson

Why do so many people go from libertarian to fascist?

Thomas Cook
Thomas Cook

Ayyy, Pewdiepie's reddit subs are locked. Let's use this shit to take down channels.

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Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

I'm actually thinking of writing an effortpost about this, though I don't know very much about memetics or "affective economies" which has increasing currency in crit lit. Jameson and Fisher both have long written about the distant and ironic-gaze of late capital, and its alienating effects. Zizek seems to talk about virtually the same thing when he talks about ideological cynicism. But I don't think anything has really been said about the material effects of irony, particularly in context of the alt-right and irony's militarization.

Julian Brooks
Julian Brooks

I imagine it's too hopeful of me to assume that this is going to be PewDiePie's rude awakening and he's going to change as a person. I like to think he's just clueless, but I'm probably wrong about that.

Asher Martinez
Asher Martinez

American style libertarians are almost always fascists in disguise. The "weed, guns, and gay stuff" types are surprisingly few and far between. Most are white supremacists who falsely believe that a smaller government will mean less minorities because there would be no welfare or affirmative action. They only need a little push to go full fash.

Christian White
Christian White

The right is 100% going to try to use the horse shoe theory on this shit though

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William Moore
William Moore

he's trying to get headlines written about him by saying absurd shit e.g.
white supremacist massacres 50 people, cites Fortnite and pewdiepie as inspiration
probably for all the fun /pol/ reaction threads

Jason Mitchell
Jason Mitchell

Are they not already?

Jordan Ramirez
Jordan Ramirez

isn't that what Mussolini did?

Jose Wright
Jose Wright

Mussolini went fash for cash mostly. He was a massive opportunist.

Tyler Jones
Tyler Jones

memes as subversion
most important comment. what kind of post-politics world are we in now where people are using meme images during a mass shooting to signal rebellion?

Kayden Gutierrez
Kayden Gutierrez

Both are people who think society is totally fucked (unlike most liberals, who generally think society is mostly ok and we just need some reforms), but they also think capitalism isn't bad and that the real problem is that the wrong capitalists (statists or Jews) are in charge.

Camden Kelly
Camden Kelly

I've never watched PewDiePie but the fact he associates himself in any way with Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Ben Shapiro, etc. suggests he isn't clueless. You don't accidentally stumble onto supporting such people, nor would a YouTuber interested in apolitical "just a joke guys" stuff ever have Shapiro hosting any part of his show.

That'd be like if I had an "apolitical" YouTube show and suddenly had Richard Wolff or Paul Cockshott on. We're not talking about Shaq or Raffi, we're talking about people entirely known for their political views.

Charles Martinez
Charles Martinez

Memes are just propaganda combined with social/mass media. The fact that he referenced them shouldn't be surprising to anyone except maybe Rafiq.

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Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

Would you look at that, Ismail talking about pop culture, cute. Good point too.

Samuel Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan

tfw Richard Wolff and Raffi will never discuss dialectical banannaism on your podcast

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Aaron Wright
Aaron Wright

Felix has a very bourg background. It is highly likely that he has fash sympathies. Also we don't yet know just how much money the American bourg are giving to these YouTube influencers. He and his kind may simply be reading from a script, much like how companies pay millions for Instagram influencers to promote their products.

Kayden Clark
Kayden Clark

This isn't some "No true communist" fallacy
But it literally is. You are arbitrarily choosing whether or not someone is a "true communist" based on whether they stopped being a communist or not.

f you start by thinking the former is true, and then, after reading (and understanding) basic biology, you realize that the latter is actually true, you can't go back to believing they're formed from garbage again.
You literally can. See and

he was a brainlet who probably liked the endgoal of communism, but didn't do any reading of how the process works
So, he's like 90% of this board?

He was never an anarchist, just a socialist.

The shooter claimed he was against capitalism though.

Jacob Brown
Jacob Brown

Whats your obsession with Rafiq and memes exactly? What are you referencing to? Elaborate.

James Murphy
James Murphy

That'd be like if I had an "apolitical" YouTube show and suddenly had Richard Wolff or Paul Cockshott on. We're not talking about Shaq or Raffi, we're talking about people entirely known for their political views.
Are you suggesting something?

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Adam Allen
Adam Allen

i think this photo is fake i remember well

Camden Long
Camden Long

Probably a good time to get a vpn now lads

Ryan Rodriguez
Ryan Rodriguez

Bad faith trolling
Same as:
Subscribe to PewDewPie
Read more Candace Owens
Spyro the Dragon inspired me
Eco-Fascist
I'm left and right
He was basically being slippery like all right wing snakes are.

Justin James
Justin James

The shooter claimed he was against capitalism though
He also said he was inspired by Candace Williams and Spyro the Dragon. He still posted right wing dogshit in 8ch's backyard. What's your point? Are you reading his manifesto literally or something?

Colton Kelly
Colton Kelly

He also said he was inspired by Candace Williams and Spyro the Dragon
Those were obvious jokes though.

My point is someone who calls themselves anti-capitalist couldn't have followed this rationale

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

The shooter claimed he was against capitalism though.
Fascists always say that, but if you actually interrogate their beliefs you'll quickly discover they don't actually have a problem with the rule of the bourgeoisie (as long as it's the "right" bourgeoisie). They'll make up their own system with different names for everything but it's still unmistakably capitalist. I suppose libertarians are more honest about their support for capitalism but fascists support it just as vehemently.

Brayden Lee
Brayden Lee

Yes, because your average American liberal self-identifies as an anarchist and a communist
Yes, they are called RadLibs by leftypol, they are on here frequently.
He probably supports Asserite crap or Nazbol stuff.

Julian Bailey
Julian Bailey

The point is that you can't tell what he wrote as a joke and what as his true views, he may have done it intentionally just to screw with whoever wished to know his rationale.

Gavin Jackson
Gavin Jackson

Fascists always say that
Yes, I know, I'm just saying that in the context of this post , in that this couldn't be his rationale if he is a self-described anti-capitalist (even if he's actually not).

Radlibs are not your average American liberal.

I mean, it's no surprise that fascists describe themselves as anti-capitalist (even if they are not), so I doubt that was a joke.

Nicholas King
Nicholas King

Libertarian is a synonym for anarchist, the word you are looking for is "propertarian."

Assuming they aren't just the misguided hopefuls, like the Ron Paulbots back in the day, the ideologies serve a common underlying purpose. Propertarians, like fascists, nazifags, etc. embody authoritarian ideals and reasons under their ideology but they present them in a way so as to try and distance themselves from being associated with fascists which they deem socially unacceptable to normalfags.

Scapegoats
Scapegoats allow for the diffusion of responsibility from both themselves and their idealized system (which they identify themselves strongly with). This excuses them of their shortcomings and poor situation.
<Propertarians: "The government restriction on free trade is the reason I'm not a winner!"
<Fascists: "The ancient worldwide jewish conspiracy is the reason I'm not a winner!"

Entitlement
Entitlement gives you the feeling that you're somehow special, and therefore different, and "above" all the other "lessers" of society. This feeds the ego by granting a special position others don't have. Entitlement is free, and you give it to yourself, so it gives you the feeling of being special despite not having done anything to be worthy of that feeling of being special. It makes you feel good and best of all, you don't have to work for it.
<Propertarians: "I'm so much smarter than the poors, that's because I'm not poor."
<Fascists: "I'm so much better than the niggers/kikes, that's because I'm white."

Now for the intersectional reactionary theory:

Natural Hierarchy
The crossroads of reactionarism, that simultaneously justifies the system, entitles their placement at the top of said system, and also diffuses their responsibility from their failure to reach the top of that system.
<Propertarians: "Since I'm smarter than everyone else, of course I'll be the CEO of the multimillion dollar transnational corporation, that's how capitalism works. The reason I'm not is because the government is restricting the free market."
<Fascists: "Since I'm better than everyone else, of course I'll be the Furher of the nation, that's how fascism works. The reason I'm not is because the ancient worldwide jewish conspiracy is holding the white man down."

You are arbitrarily choosing whether or not someone is a "true communist" based on whether they stopped being a communist or not.
Must have me confused with the other guy, I never said that. I said of course he could be a communist because he called himself one, but he was a shitty communist if he didn't do any reading or understand anything other than a basic definition of what socialism is.

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Tyler Walker
Tyler Walker

Your average amerifat liberal is right wing by global standards.

Andrew Rogers
Andrew Rogers

whew lad
Australia and NZ are already making moves to ban funs even moreso than they already are

Sebastian Foster
Sebastian Foster

This. But eventually he went upside down after he had unsuccessfully tried to cross to Switzerland disguised as a Nazi soldier, which is the most important thing. And the one that triggers rightards the most. Spoilered pic related.

An interesting source for the ones of you who like to read
web.archive.org/web/20190125155643/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy

Bear in mind that a bombshell like that hasn't got absolutely no echo at all in Wopistan after being public for a decade.

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Charles Cox
Charles Cox

funs

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Dominic Perry
Dominic Perry

I know. Do you even know the context of this discussion anymore?

Must have me confused with the other guy, I never said that.
That's alright then. I agree with you on the rest.

Nolan Campbell
Nolan Campbell

Franco was shipped in via MI5

Samuel Peterson
Samuel Peterson

I do also think he is crypto-fash, last time I've watched him was like 8-10 months ago and I remember he was reading some Right wing imperialist books by some Japanese guy and Peterson and crap. Mainly quit about one and a half years ago with his stuff as it was getting annoying.

Thomas King
Thomas King

NO DON'T BAN THE FUNS

Adrian Gutierrez
Adrian Gutierrez

Okay, imagine this. A american liberal in college thinking welfare is socialism and then gets some ideas of actual socialism but shies away from most of the important anti-capitalist stuff but agree with "workers owning the means of production". Probably still racist to people of color. He probably saw some CEO's as cool and went lolbert sometime down the line.

Caleb Davis
Caleb Davis

What if they really do treat "bourgeoisie" and "proletariat" as an identity? And go through the same motions as ?

Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

By that I just mean passive comments on social media as his intro to "socialism"

Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

Yeah, that might be it.

David Myers
David Myers

All of these far right loons claim they were communist or some shit when they were younger. Even that Ryan (Alt-Hype) guy said he was a communist when he was younger, yet this begs the question, what does being a "communist" even mean?

Does it just mean you wanted free shit? I can bet you NONE of these idiots read any communist literature. You don't flip from communist to a nazi retard if you've actually read.

Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

You don't flip from communist to a nazi retard if you've actually read.

There was a Red Army terrorist in Germany who was a Maoist and then went full on Neo-Nazi

Nicholas Ortiz
Nicholas Ortiz

He only knows about the "proper definition" because he probably spent all day online arguing with leftists.

Liam King
Liam King

We was never a anarchist i know this because anarchists are based an never blow up there college campuses.

Stranger things have been known to happen. Anarchist an eco anything has always been niche among political aspies and prone to violence since ted Kazinsky too A string of laboratory bombings by eco fascist in the 90s.

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Leo Miller
Leo Miller

le edgy anarchist bashing

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

Was is it called when you dont want someone taller and stronger than you to beat you up or rape you?

Aaron Diaz
Aaron Diaz

white fragility

Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

Wow, this truly is master bait if I've ever seen it.

Nicholas Watson
Nicholas Watson

there can be manlets from plenty of brown races, except negroids.

John Gutierrez
John Gutierrez

What is it called when you gun down literal children and families in a house of worship?
Fixed for accuracy.

Jace Sanchez
Jace Sanchez

gay

Henry Clark
Henry Clark

Shut the fuck up.

Carson Green
Carson Green

wigger nationalism

Nathaniel White
Nathaniel White

drive.google.com/file/d/1VEDLB9r2-sYdVMwpScrfI9Nz_MKsnmEl/view

Andrew Reed
Andrew Reed

commits outrageous acts to own the normalfags
Claims to adhere to bizarre and vague political ideology
Ultimately goal is trying raise awareness and inspire copycats
It's official. The aut right is the new New Left.

Christopher Jackson
Christopher Jackson

It is caleld manlet-episode, clearly, the soulution is to exterminate the weak and the genetically inferior. every male under 5'9" must be purged in an humiliating and painful way, for social justice is law of might where the STRONG rules over the weak!

Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

mass murder will be a meme
what even is this timeline

Jeremiah Ramirez
Jeremiah Ramirez

t. Ronald Fisher

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

bezos bucks baudrillard meme hell
an alien world of pain and absurdities
like a really bad 2000s ferraro concept album

Jaxon Powell
Jaxon Powell

This is the inherent risk of extremist personalities, and extremist who becomes disillusioned for whatever reason will flip to another extremist ideology, such as a hardcore White Power Nazi becoming a hardcore ☭TANKIE☭ Communist and vice versa.

"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned."

Flipped extremists are often the most vocal critics of the ideology they once supported. But they can reflip and repent their 'misdeed'.

Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

Ismail posting on Zig Forums
Most shocking development out of this situation tbh.

Angel Cruz
Angel Cruz

he came here a few days ago before this

Christopher Howard
Christopher Howard

He is Australian. There is a 0% chance he was actually a communist or anarchist.

Eli Rodriguez
Eli Rodriguez

muh horseshoe

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

The fact is, no matter what the terms you like to use are or how they were historically used, the meaning has changed. Just like Liberal used to mean Libertarian. You don't through in semantics in the middle of the a manifesto, you use the most widely understood term.

Mason Gomez
Mason Gomez

What I don't understand is how you can go ideological window shopping enough to go from Communist to Libertarian but then be devoted enough to a vague somewhat anti-capitalist fascism to kill children.

Chase Cooper
Chase Cooper

we call that "being a fucking idiot" in academic circles

Sebastian Evans
Sebastian Evans

You really shouldn't take reactionaries at their word.

Jaxson Torres
Jaxson Torres

It could be true. Its a lot easier to go from radical to radical than you would think if you're theoryless.

Isaac Nguyen
Isaac Nguyen

The only thing worth listening to from this great and wonderful mind is that he was an internet-poisoned moron, absolutely removed from reality. He reflects the cynicism of elected conservatives everywhere and resembles the future of internet fash, which boils down to memes that signify in-groups for incels and nothing else. Everything else he spews is garbled nonsense from a broken brain and deserves no attention. The memes are by far the only meaningful thing to take note of. This troglodyte has no idea what any of the other words in his manifesto mean.

Brandon Walker
Brandon Walker

You're name tag says "Sage in all fields" but apparently you didn't actually sage? I'm getting mixed messages here.

Cooper Perry
Cooper Perry

Him calling himself a "communist" is some not-so-slick anti-communist propagandizing. He never was a communist or anarchist, he knows he did something bad, he just wanted to "own da libs eric style" one more time.

Jaxson Allen
Jaxson Allen

The only thing worth listening to from this great and wonderful mind is that he was an internet-poisoned moron, absolutely removed from reality.

Asher Gray
Asher Gray

good analysis

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Connor Turner
Connor Turner

This, let's be honest, he's just a white anglo male taking that extra step. He was probably born to a racist aussie family and always had these views.

Zachary Turner
Zachary Turner

They literally just say it because they think anything to the left of neo-nazi shit is 'gommunism'.

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

and look at how made fun of Mussolini is today. This terrorist is a joke.

The reactions of all those alt-right or far-right figures on social media to this shooting are absolutely ridiculous lmao. Are they even trying to hide the fact that they're borderline fascists anymore?

Christopher Rogers
Christopher Rogers

There was a school shooting in Russia recently which was carried out by a left-wing anarchist if I recall correctly. I think this might have more salience in Russia for whatever reason going back to Nechayev and the nihilist movement.
Yeah, Horst Maehler.
Yes, and Sam Hyde might as well be Jerry Rubin. "This book will be a molotov cocktail in your hands!"
… [T]he more visual and surreal the stunts we could cook up, the easier it would be to get on the news, and the more weird and whimsical and provocative the theater, the better it would play.

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Cameron Gutierrez
Cameron Gutierrez

Shit like this makes me really wish Fisher had finished Acid Communism. It may have very well had held the secret to combatting this shit at a cultural level

Xavier Howard
Xavier Howard

There was a school shooting in Russia recently which was carried out by a left-wing anarchist if I recall correctly. I think this might have more salience in Russia for whatever reason going back to Nechayev and the nihilist movement.
wat, you mean as some sort of political thing or what?

Anthony Rogers
Anthony Rogers

Social democracy.

Austin Sanchez
Austin Sanchez

Another thing that I find particularly curious, the shooter writes that he was in contact with the organization that Norwegian child mass-murderer Breivik claimed to be part of, the Knights Templar or some such garbage:

<But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justicar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights.

There exists not iota of evidence that such an organization exists, not an iota. It simply does not exist outside the sad delusions of the mentally deranged Breivik and his roleplaying fantasies. Yet the shooter references the organization, and not like some sort of abstract way, but as a concrete organization with a structure. He is clearly lying. But it's such an outrageously ridiculous lie.

Please tell me this post was somehow a joke and that you weren't actually being serious. The more I visit this board the more I am convinced you are all literal autists. How about I as an "ebil nazi 4channer" give you a bit of insider info since your about as dense as a neutron star. The templar shit is a fucking /pol/ meme thrown in there to fuck with the press since they're boomer dinosaurs who will inevitably take it literally and give everyone a good laugh. Believe it or not, /pol/ can make fun of the LARPier elements of shit people like Breivik did even though they may sympathize/support his actions and motives. I know this revelation may shock you as I'm sure self deprecating humor is a foreign concept to your autistically literal brain, but this sort of humor is typical of chan culture and oldschool internet culture in general. The fact that I see everyone on here consistently fail to grasp it tells me you faggots are filthy fucking secondaries just pretending to be channers to piggyback of /pol/'s success when in fact you're all typical millenial leftist garbage from sites like NeoGaf and Reddit who had no knowledge of the internet until you decided to make it your next great ideological battleground. The fact that many of the arguments I've seen posted here are verbatim the same shit I've heard from my uni professors further reinforces the fact that despite your lazy attempt to coopt the edgy "chan" image, there is nothing remotely anti-establishment or "politically incorrect" about this place. You are all massive faggots.

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Julian Evans
Julian Evans

I didn't read the rest but wanting to end capitalism is more anti establishment that you will ever get

Bentley Baker
Bentley Baker

Communism is not radical.

Only neoliberalism and fascism are.

Charles Barnes
Charles Barnes

I get we like to say that, but can we acknowledged, Marx at least talk of his ideas on a very basic theoretical level is a lot more mainstream in schools than teaching say, Hitler.

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

Communism is not radical
Only neoliberalism
PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE JOKING

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Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

I got it was a meme. This guy maybe didn't because autists are everywhere.

Alexander James
Alexander James

Because he didn't write anything worth preserving, indeed master Marx is probably the most influential man in history, the most fervent capitalist suck his dick.

Ayden James
Ayden James

la la la I can't hear you!

Cameron Diaz
Cameron Diaz

But I have only had brief contact with Knight Justicar Breivik, receiving a blessing for my mission after contacting his brother knights.
I'm mildly thinking this is a 40k meme thrown in there.

There's no reason to believe that any of this is serious.

Xavier Ortiz
Xavier Ortiz

That could be true, yeah, I don't know anything about WH personally. Breivik did himself use similar language if I'm recalling correctly, if that means anything.

Anthony Johnson
Anthony Johnson

Did anyone here actually read his manifesto? I know people are responding to small quotes from it, but most of it is quite serious, it explains his actions pretty well, and I’m certain many people on here would find his views on religion, race, culture, and capitalists are very reasonable.

Juan Price
Juan Price

With capitalism his views are theoryless but he's obviously an anti-capitalist. For race and culture, hell no,

Brody Jones
Brody Jones

Lad, tell me your joking.

David Taylor
David Taylor

But he said he has no problem with other races, and cultures, and he wishes them prosperity, and happiness as long as they don’t try to infringe on other nations. Is that not fair?

Jacob Thomas
Jacob Thomas

What do we do about communists and anarchists who convert to right-wing ideologies?

youtu.be/qeFiFQ1SD4E?t=120

Juan Miller
Juan Miller

Any view on race that justifies killing children just because they live in a white nation is not a fair view.

Chase Sullivan
Chase Sullivan

You're retarded if you don't recognize what will happen when the other races go back to their home countries and then the west has to (supposedly) end its imperialist system it has going right now. That idea appeals to fairness but the entire reason they're willing to kill brown people is because they don't want their living conditions to change, what the fuck makes you think they'll be cool with it once they're in power?
also what that other guy said

Nicholas Parker
Nicholas Parker

Knight Justicar
is what tipped me off on that.

Honestly it doesn't matter, no real reason to bother with a meme spewing insane retard.

Adrian Wright
Adrian Wright

As I read his manifesto, I was almost embarrassed to admit that his views on capitalism are spot on. God damn…

Eli Young
Eli Young

It was actually a suicide bombing in the FSB building (Russian CIA/FBI). Believe it or not the perp used the name Sergei Nachayev as his pseudonym announcing his motives for the attack. It didn't kill anyone and accomplished nothing but provide a pretext for more repression.

crimethinc.com/2018/10/31/on-the-attack-against-the-fsb-in-russia-including-the-statement-from-the-anarchist-who-carried-it-out

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

The children are not at fault, they were brought in, and are innocent, but I suppose he believes they will eventually grow up with the same religion, and culture that encourages invasion, and takeover, he doesn’t want to kill people, but he says they obviously won’t leave so he has no choice, he either does nothing, and they grow up to replace his people or he kills them preventing the future takeover, I’m 100% sure he would prefer they simply move out of the country peacefully.

Ayden Butler
Ayden Butler

No they weren't retard.

Justin Young
Justin Young

Someone's in the thread samefagging about how the shooter is actually cool and sensible, I assume so they can screencap it for /pol/.

Noah Reed
Noah Reed

To be honest im getting pretty right wing after i started to pay my goddamn taxes.

Still hating porky.

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Adam Martinez
Adam Martinez

What can't you understand?

Communism is a filthy utopian lie that cannot be achieved because the nature of humanity and it is used to gain power and enslave the masses. When people are young and don't know much they can fall for lies. But some grow out of it.

Anarchism is after releasing what I have wrote about communism and wanting total natural freedom for people without anybody having power out of thin air over other people and without any stupid laws and taxation.

Libertarianism comes when you realise that people are chaotic and don't cooperate if there is no framework to do so there has to be some kind of system that helps us to live our lives in harmony. We are not living in an utopia.

Fascism comes when you realise that most people are total degenerates and abhimana. There needs to be laws to guide them to see the light out of this dark dystopian society we live in today. Laws need to teach them to discipline and healthy social relationships, morals and ethics.

I can understand him.

Read some Philosophy from the ancient era, they summerize it up quite well.

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

He said his views were in line with those of Oswald Mosley, and Mosley was definitely anti imperialist, and I assume he wants every nation to be ruled by men like Mosley who actually care for their people rather than money, and who respect the existence of other nations, and won’t infringe on them. He clearly wants to get rid of or at least massively change the current way countries are run so that they can be more harmonious, and less expansionist. I replied to the other comment which explains his justification of the killings.

Evan White
Evan White

Nice reddit spacing faggot.

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

why does Zig Forums love muslims all of a sudden? aren't you supposed to be against religion? but if it's a brown people religion and you have an opportunity to demonize wh*toids then it's okay, right? hmmmm

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Julian Price
Julian Price

human nature
what is better, to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?

James Morales
James Morales

There will be no taxes under Communism in the first place, so no need to worry. Taxes can only apply in a society with some form of commodity production (producing goods and services for sale). This doesn't exist in communism, so taxes won't exist either.

Adam Flores
Adam Flores

what are the 3 christcoms we have everyday come here and talk us about how jesus was socialist and we tolerate them

Leo Roberts
Leo Roberts

I hate Christianity, doesn't mean its productive or moral to gun down random Christians.

Thomas Walker
Thomas Walker

You can fluff it up all you want, a fascist is not going to stand by while their life gets worse because they're not getting resources from other countries. I don't care what philosophy they say they follow, I don't care how reasonable it sounds, it falls apart once they have to give up any creature comfort.

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

Hope the gommie state can recognize my hard work instead of the capitalist state and their diversity programs.

Robert Howard
Robert Howard

One single user doesn't get a 40k based meme
"Why the fuck are you guys so literal, all of you are secondary faggots, millennials, etc."
Honestly I can't be surprised one user didn't get the joke, I only got it because I'm a resident fa/tg/uy. Which makes /pol/'s usage of 40k based jokes more hilarious for me given it was a setting initially concieved to be satire mocking thatcherism and other ideologies taken to the extreme. Anons here have been conditioned to take things literally because most of the arguments here against rightists and other leftists are and expected to be very dry, informative, and source based, which is good tbh. I would rather anons be super literal clinical autists who write paragraphs at a tim rather then shitposting faggots who can't discuss anything beyond typing single sentence meme understandings of theory and posting infographs.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

How the fuck do you expect to divine the answer among yourselves? Don't you realize yet that, as leftists, you are utterly incapable of modeling the minds of people with different views, or believing them when they openly state their motives for extremism? I could give some hints, but they'd be cognitively closed to you.

Nolan Cook
Nolan Cook

He isn’t liked here mostly because of the mass murder, and yes I see the irony, but also the fact he is from /pol/ which sort of causes a knee jerk reaction.

Andrew Richardson
Andrew Richardson

sharing his manifesto will only serve to radicalize the dumbs. stop it ree
@2840549
here is one of them
@2840552
dumbest b8 I have ever seen
anyone who doesn't try to recognize and overcome their evil to improve the world is weak. nihilists who cannot overcome should choose an easier path.

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

He is viewing the culture as some sort of monolithic invasion, as if the culture itself is invasive and nothing else is driving people to migrate. Immigrants aren't coming to white countries to take over, there are actual economic forces that make it their self interest. They are not in any way responsible, even if I agree with the generous assumption that having everyone in separate country's would be a good thing.

Justin Ortiz
Justin Ortiz

Yep. This is what Lenin had to say about socialism.
The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it.

Levi Flores
Levi Flores

Don't you realize yet that, as leftists, you are utterly incapable of modeling the minds of people with different views
Proceeds to spam threads where he completely fails to understand communism or any of ideas leftists have or their reasons for having them
Pottery

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Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

You know it is possible to purchase or trade for goods from a different nation, you don’t have to invade them for resources, I’m sure people can learn to accept less comforts if needs be, just because somebody is a kind of fascist doesn’t mean they are compelled to curb stomp the nearest nation, a harmonious world is possible even with fascism, but most certainly not with today’s capitalism.

Jason Young
Jason Young

You don't get it because you're not a socialist. The west extracts resources from other countries at a discount, that's the reward it gets for conquering the world. That's why it works so hard to keep the majority of the world under debt and forces regime change so often.
If they had to play fair, they wouldn't have things working so well in their favor anymore.
Go back to /pol/ and stop pretending to be a leftist, it's fucking tiring.

Hudson Jackson
Hudson Jackson

Saw a dude on Reddit once who said he was an anarchist attracted to fascism. He was anarchist because of the communal aspect. It isn't a big step from "I want to be subject to the anarchist commune" to "I want to be subject to daddy state." These people project their wish to suck a cock into their politics, which naturally leads to fascism.

Be careful that you aren't caught in similar thought patterns. Unlike what right-wing propagandists will tell you, communism aims for the liberation of the individual, not for its subjugation under the collective.

Brayden Peterson
Brayden Peterson

It is just as possible to trade as it is now. Imperialism still exists.

Adrian Bailey
Adrian Bailey

They actually are. Military Keynesianism is the backbone of fascist economics.

Lincoln Sullivan
Lincoln Sullivan

Generally communists have only ever been aggressively anti-religion because they are attempting to transition a society out of feudalism. Churches/mosques/etc are a vital component of feudal systems and as such often need to be dismantled and then rebuilt for the new socialist society to thrive.

Also
implying christianity isn't also a "brown person religion"
implying that fascists aren't part of a satanic death cult

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Matthew Powell
Matthew Powell

I'm not really a Marxist, but can you guys moderate on the national question a bit and adopt Marx's position on Irish immigration and independence

I don't see how else you can appeal to the white working class

Jace King
Jace King

You can fluff it up all you want, a fascist is not going to stand by while their life gets worse because they're not getting resources from other countries.
Well that's too bad because it's going to happen to the anglosphere whether they like it or not. The American era is ending. No amount of internal ethnic cleansing can change this.

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Thomas Hughes
Thomas Hughes

I’ll ignore the fact that Islam does promote expansionist ideas, and hostility to other cultures, but if we’re talking about all races, and cultures here, he knows many are innocent, and harbour no ill intent, but they are indirectly causing the replacement of his race which certainly would be a cause for concern, and it’s capitalists that destroy foreign nations, and then encourage immigration due to the decreasing birth rates, the immigrants are just a tool of the elite, but it’s a tool that’s slowly destroying a people, he explains it far better than me in his manifesto, but he knows most of them are not doing what their doing out of maliciousness, but if he does nothing then the race will be destroyed so he had to do something, and he does say he would prefer to go after politicians, but the difficulty of getting many of them, and the fact he only has one shot, he is trying to cause conflict.

Robert Lopez
Robert Lopez

You don't understand. You think imperialism is about personal greed? Nonsense. The objective economic laws of capitalism inevitably lead to imperialism. The pursuit of greater profits is driven by the M-C-M' cycle, what is known as capital accumulation. In order for businesses survive in capitalist society, they must constantly invest money as capital, and then reinvest the profit generated back into the businesses. It is an eternal expansion. Even if a business does not want to expand in this way, it will be out-competed by another business that does. Eventually monopolies form because of this process, as well as the massive expansion of fiance capital. This fiance capital then seeks investments in poorer countries, charging massive interest rates, in order to hyper-exploit the workers in those countries. As Lenin puts it:
In order for capitalism to generate greater profits than the home market can yield, the merging of banks and industrial cartels produces finance capitalism—the exportation and investment of capital to countries with underdeveloped economies. In turn, such financial behaviour leads to the division of the world among monopolist business companies and the great powers. Moreover, in the course of colonizing undeveloped countries, business and government eventually will engage in geopolitical conflict over the economic exploitation of large portions of the geographic world and its populaces. Therefore, imperialism is the highest (advanced) stage of capitalism, requiring monopolies (of labour and natural-resource exploitation) and the exportation of finance capital (rather than goods) to sustain colonialism, which is an integral function of said economic model

The world doesn't operate based on your fucking feelings, it operates based on objective economic laws. This is something that fascist idiots will never understand. They cling to their fucking spooks like "nation and race" not realizing that these concepts are not eternal, they were formed based on empirically verifiable economic circumstances, and will disappear once those circumstances are changed.

Lucas Jenkins
Lucas Jenkins

Shut the fuck up you stupid retard, holy shit extreme centrist take right here.

Joseph Allen
Joseph Allen

What? And Judeo-Christian white values don't have an expansionist aspect to them? If history is violence like he says then who are you to say that one side is right or wrong unless you think that their values are inherently superior to another?

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

uwu he felt threatened so i can't really look down on him for killing innocent people and causing nothing good to happen at all
fuck off, faggot

Mason Lewis
Mason Lewis

I’m aware that they extract resources, and I’m aware of how unfair the west is, and that’s why I want to put an end to capitalism or at the very least an end to politicians that only care about endless growth, I would happily accept a decrease in the GDP if it meant protecting the race, jobs, environment, culture, and putting an end to the elites that want the resources, and control of the world so badly.

Wyatt Murphy
Wyatt Murphy

My first post here in months, actually. A good illustration of your delusion.

Noah Scott
Noah Scott

having the mental fortitude to not kiss the balls of some pathetic kekistan psychopath has nothing to do with how anyone here feels about islam

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

I’m not Christian, and I don’t like religion in general, and I disagree with many of its values.

Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

You don't get it because you're not a socialist. The west extracts resources from other countries at a discount, that's the reward it gets for conquering the world. That's why it works so hard to keep the majority of the world under debt and forces regime change so often.
If they had to play fair, they wouldn't have things working so well in their favor anymore.

This. It's actually pretty funny in a way. The US promoted globalization all throughout the 90s because it was really the only marketplace that mattered and could basically unilaterally decide things for the entire world and get away with it. Now that isn't the case and the labor aristocracy there is freaking out about having to deal with capitalism sans super profits.

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Aiden Wood
Aiden Wood

We're only autistic because we're too intelligent for you evil nazis and your boorish methods of argumentation

Fuck you too buddy, that's not an argument.

Also as a sidenote on your own unrelated aside about 40k, noone gives a fuck about the original motives and intentions of the creators. What matters is how the majority of fans and writers interpret it NOW. We on the right have often taken advantage of this fact in order to turn many pieces of fiction created by those who sympathize with your ideas against you, simply by reinterpreting those series and their factions and characters in a light more favorable to us, then taking advantage of mediums like the internet to push that interpretation until it gains a wider following and seriously undermines the original intent of the series. A great example of this would be the way in which we pushed the view that the first two seasons of Man in the High Castle actually glorified the nazis. We argued that you had "unintentionally" portrayed their society as better than our own, and because we were louder and more savvy about pushing said view our view of the series eventually made inroads into the normie spheres of the internet. We used your own propaganda and repurposed it against you, and there are countless more examples of us doing this with other series. Shit like this is a big factor in why you're losing the "culture war" and you're too foolish to see it.

Carson Scott
Carson Scott

Again, you don't understand shit. The world doesn't revolve around people's feelings. These people don't give a shit about fairness or unfairness. They need to constantly expand their capital by reinvesting their profits and "opening up new markets" (read imperialism). Even if some capitalists do not want to do this, they will be out-competed by others who will. Imperialism is not a result of people's greed, it is a result of the objective economic laws of capitalism.

Chase Lopez
Chase Lopez

Is that not fair?
No because apparently part of 'infringing on other nations' includes legally moving into a country and practicing your religion without breaking any laws. The world is such a complicated place when you look at all the different races/nationalities/religions/cultures and how they immigrate and interact with one another. Having such autistic and strict rules (and having them for no reason other than 'reeeee no brown people with weird religions') is fucking stupid and not a viable worldview.

Oliver Morris
Oliver Morris

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big oof

Adam Perez
Adam Perez

We're not going to support killing people over something as stupid as religion you freak.

Asher Martinez
Asher Martinez

2840605
2840607
w&b

Noah Gomez
Noah Gomez

What would you have him do? If things continue as they are then the white race will be replaced, so he could sit back, and complain about it or he could do something, and what he did was to create conflict, and division between whites, and the other races, he wants to do this to end the “diversity is our strength” idea which he explained leads to nothing, but conflict, self segregation, and suffering in the end.

Caleb Peterson
Caleb Peterson

Thoughts on this?

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

moderate on the national question a bit and adopt Marx's position on Irish immigration and independence
That Ireland should be emancipated from English rule and both the English and Irish proletariat hould unite against the bourgeoisie of both their nations?

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Nathaniel Torres
Nathaniel Torres

Also as a sidenote on your own unrelated aside about 40k, noone gives a fuck about the original motives and intentions of the creators. What matters is how the majority of fans and writers interpret it NOW.
This is a postmodernist argument LMAO. You people's ideology really doesn't have any thought put into it. Sartre was fucking right, you people are dumbasses who haven't changed in 70 years.

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Mason Reed
Mason Reed

That’s why I would prefer an idea other than capitalism or at least some kind of worldview that puts an end to these ideas of exploitation. I do want to clarify that I am not capitalist, and I would prefer pretty much anything else.

Julian Rogers
Julian Rogers

I'd have him read anything that makes him recognize that this division he believes is tearing his society apart is a farce, society is already tearing itself apart by nature of capitalism and liberalism reaching the conclusions of their 200-year journeys.
But of course he wouldn't do that because that would go against what he feels is right. Things went wrong somewhere along the way, and it's gotta be those brown people trying to kill him off. He has to fight back against this, what alternative is there?
You're going to agree with him because you agree with the facts he puts in place, those facts are just undialectical as fuck my man

Chase Brown
Chase Brown

If things continue as they are then the white race will be replaced, so he could sit back, and complain about it or he could do something
Like murder a bunch of innocent people who are completely uninvolved in the political process? Not a good plan, even if you accept those retarded premises.

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Bentley Lewis
Bentley Lewis

Ismail
who?

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

I suppose if you lived in the early days of man you'd also have a problem with survival of the fittest. Except you'd never make it to the point to bitch about it. Be grateful you live in the time & country that you do

Dominic Fisher
Dominic Fisher

some kind of worldview that puts an end to these ideas of exploitation
Have I got a book for you!

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Xavier Flores
Xavier Flores

Not gonna happen lad, I actually live in Northern Ireland, and any chance of a single nation was put to an end by Britain’s constant fuckery, the only person I would actually trust to rule a united British isles would be Mosley, because he wasn’t a fucking asshole, and his views towards Ireland were far better than most Irish politicians today, but once he left so to did any chance of peaceful reunification.

Eli Rivera
Eli Rivera

Then feel free to explain what we think and what we believe if you're so great at modeling our mind and our views faggot. Because so far every /pol/yp I've seen come by here believes stupid shit like "communism=equality" and that we believe people are equal.

Hudson Brown
Hudson Brown

It doesn't matter if we don't convince the general public to follow our ideas as long as we remain ideologically pure

Again, this is the mindset leading your movement to ruin. The future belongs to us.

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

be honest lad are you an ulster cuck
because that might explain why you're so horny for mosley

Elijah Barnes
Elijah Barnes

If things continue as they are then the white race will be replaced
Who gives a fuck? What have other whites ever done for me? White is simply a race, it isn't the determining factor of what type of society we will have or whether that society will be a prosperous one. To put it into retarded RPG elements that I know you dumb /pol/ faggots will understand best because you think of everything in terms of LOTR orcs or races in Elder Scrolls, white is simply the race at the start of character creation. Does it determine a few things here and there? Sure. But in the end does that determine what class each character will choose, whether they will take good or evil quests, whether they will wear heavy or light armor, whether they will sneak or fight, etc? Fuck no. So making massive assumptions about the entire game based off this very small detail at the start of character creation is dumb as fuck and instead we should be focusing on the ways these characters act after they're created.

Eli Rivera
Eli Rivera

I think I’d pull through, but I wouldn’t sell out my entire fucking tribe to get some new berry pickers from another tribe with no relation to mine just because they work for less wooden coins than mine.

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

WTF are you talking about? Forget "ideologically pure" you people don't even have an ideology. It's just an irrational rage at your own impotence, and then projecting the source of your impotence at "the Jew".
Sartre argues that anti-Semitism is not an ‘idea’ in the commonly understood sense of the word, meaning it is not a point of view or opinion based on rationality based on empirical data collected and curated carefully. Sartre describes antisemitism as being first of all a passion, a deep passion, he states, “Some men are suddenly struck with impotence if they learn from the woman with whom they are making love that she is a Jewess. It is an involvement of the mind, but one so deep-seated and complex that it extends to the physiological realm, as happens in cases of hysteria.”

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

Well, not quite. He believed irish immigration had forced the english working class into the hands of the bourgeoisie and, at least in Engels' case, that it brought ruin to english proles

Dominic Ramirez
Dominic Ramirez

I’m actually an Irish Nationalist born to a catholic family, but if I was given the choice of Ireland being under British control except it was led by Mosley or an independent, and unified Ireland except its led by the modern day government, I would take Mosley any day, because at least he would have the interests of all Irish people in mind, and he couldn’t possibly do a worse job than the current fuckers.

Leo Cooper
Leo Cooper

Replace Judeo-Christian with European then.

Lucas Phillips
Lucas Phillips

Again, this is the mindset leading your movement to ruin. The future belongs to us.
Boomers are dying off. Your "future" is literally dying of old age. As has been pointed out in this thread, you guys are basically just the right wing version of the New Left, which heralded the end of the western left. You are fighting a losing battle and at some level you know this, which is why you are all so nihilistic and violent. You don't have goals or policy ideas, you just want people to hurt just like you. You are the dying gasp of a weakening world order.

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Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

with irish you perish, also it makes sense that you are irish, i knew those fuckers liked to shoot up places, it's in their genes, the shooter gene

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

You completely missed the point didn't you? That aside was criticizing your tactics in the great battleground of ideas not making a statement about the ideas themselves.

you people don't even have an ideology.

Alright I'm not going to go define our entire ideology for you faggot. If you're too lazy to be assed to actually make an effort to understand for yourself the beliefs of those who believe differently then you and instead feel content to rely solely on the word of a fellow marxist that its all because they are sexually impotent, then I can't be assed to waste any more time with you. If You are psuedointellectual faggot

Lincoln Collins
Lincoln Collins

Who cares about race you retard? It's great when capitalists bring in more revolutionary class to hasten their demise. It's not like natives in Europe are bringing about revolution anyways.

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

Lad, I could get into the differences between races, and why I think some are more successful than others, but let’s just assume their all the same aside from cosmetic features. Different races in the one area break down trust, unity, and community bonds, even at a subconscious level people function better with their own kind, and they will naturally group with their own kind, South Africa for example has many different races, and they fucking hate each other, black on black violence, black on white, black on Indian, black on mixed, it’s a fucking mess, and the US is very similar, people naturally segregate themselves, and it makes a harmonious nation much harder, and filling a white nation with Muslims who by their religion are inclined to takeover one way or another, simply prevents peaceful cooperation, and will inevitably turn into conflict. I would prefer if people stayed within their respective nations, and developed them rather than expanding throughout the world, and taking over others.

Lucas Hughes
Lucas Hughes

I know, and the shooter knew as well, that’s why he did it in the first place, he wants to incite violence, and revolutionary actions.

Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

I would prefer if people stayed within their respective nations
are you european?

Brody Green
Brody Green

Again, this is the mindset leading your movement to ruin. The future belongs to us.
Your mindset literally allowed for whatever growing "movement" that could even tepidly be called nationalist/fascist to be co-opted HARD by right-liberals. To attempt to reach more and more people you removed or smudged over more and more of your core beliefs until the majority of your "movement" was made up of civic nationalists and pro-israel MAGA types who drove literally all of the actual fascists and ethnonationalists out by accusing them of ruining optics and being "shills". Don't try to fucking claim otherwise, I was there. The current "movement" is literally split between edgy American right-liberals with the rare self-admitting fascist inbetween. There is nothing concrete and nothing that can actually coalesce into anything meaningful without destroying itself through internal accusations and posturing. The best that has been done in the last 5 years is a few lone wolf attacks and latching on to a few weak neoconservative candidates with some luckwarm "nationalist" talking points.

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Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

Those discomforts with other races are caused by the concept of race being perpetuated. If we recognize that race as a social construct is meant to divide the working class against itself, we can make actual progress in society.

Landon Thomas
Landon Thomas

Their are many different values from the different cultures of Europe, but what ones do you dislike so much?

William Clark
William Clark

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm

Colton Edwards
Colton Edwards

If you stole your prosperity from other nations their people have every right to come and claim it back, that's exactly what europeans have been doing for centuries. Violence only means revolutionary potential and once we can reach communism no violence will be necessary for anyone, maybe only against spooked incels like you.

Samuel Ortiz
Samuel Ortiz

All the ones that feature imperialism. Like Brits.

Samuel King
Samuel King

This has been done before lad, and I don’t want to get into a racial argument, especially not at this time of the night, but race most certainly is more than a social concept, and the world boasts some great recent examples of this, such as Rhodesia, and South Africa, these nations were run by whites, and upon being kicked of Rhodesia the country went to shit, and once whites were removed from positions of power in South Africa the country became economically stagnant, incredibly violent, and lazy. To sum my statement up, I believe race is very real, and it has very real effects on society, and ignoring the differences of man gets us nowhere, accepting these differences, and staying within ones separate nations is a much more peaceful, and reasonable way of doing things.

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

Good thing I’m not a Brit.

Lincoln Anderson
Lincoln Anderson

Okay, what special snowflake totally unique culture are you from that didn't have an overseas empire, then?

Benjamin Nguyen
Benjamin Nguyen

What the fuck has Ireland stolen from Africa? How the fuck are my people somehow responsible for the incompetence of sub Saharan Africans, and how is this justification for bringing in tens of thousands of them for no reason.

Nicholas Hall
Nicholas Hall

Ireland, I’ve mentioned it several times this thread.

Justin Morgan
Justin Morgan

This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organisation. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.

Yes, I was referring to this letter

Lincoln Myers
Lincoln Myers

Irish nationalist fucking lol, kill yourself

Jackson Mitchell
Jackson Mitchell

Ireland was a part of the British colonial empire, and while it was arguably the first colony of the empire and were themselves treated like an inferior race and degenerate people, their owner-class too benefited from the transatlantic slave trade, if not directly, then by the sectors surrounding the infrastructure of slavery.

There is hardly harbour-city in Europe that was not radically transformed by the slave-trade.

Jeremiah Ramirez
Jeremiah Ramirez

Nice argument.

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

who would think making people dependent on you by exploiting you and ruling over you would make you dependent on them

Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

Ireland developed on the back of british colonialism the whole time plus they were one of the biggest slave traders. You're just trying to rewrite history to make yourself some kind of victim.

Mason Cruz
Mason Cruz

Boomers are dying off. Your "future" is literally dying of old age.

We're the faction of zoomers and 30-year old boomers friend :^). If anything the old Boomers delusionaly wedded to the idea of the old Cold War era world order are one of our greatest obstacles. We've managed to make inroads with the youth by outplaying your people at every turn on the internet, and if you can't see that, its your funeral.

You don't have goals or policy ideas, you just want people to hurt just like you.

I hope you don't actually believe that, because if you do you're just blinding yourself. I'm not going to sit here and go through our entire belief system just because you make ludicrous and baseless accusations like that.
As has been pointed out in this thread, you guys are basically just the right wing version of the New Left, which heralded the end of the western left.

Personally I would say this is less analagous the New lefts overcoming of the Old left and more comparable to if the reverse were to occur (a revival of the old left wiping away the current establishment).

You are fighting a losing battle and at some level you know this, which is why you are all so nihilistic and violent

fuck you too buddy :)

You are the dying gasp of a weakening world order.

I would look in the mirror buddy. Your people have dominated the west for decades. This is YOUR world. We represent the vanguard of an older world order which has been dead for nearly a century and is now finally beginning to reassert itself as yours inevitably fails. We represent the oldest of orders, the natural order, the one which humans by their evolutionarily defined nature naturally gravitate towards and as such has served as the default order for the vast majority of human history. For that reason our victory is inevitable, and you are doomed to be yet another small roadbump on the continuum of human history.

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

Are muslims going to be the scapegoat for the american fascist movement during WW3? Will Chinese forces be liberating muslims from concentration camps after demolishing the US military? Seems a bit random, much like this resurgence in anti-islam sentiment. I thought the far right was still fixated on muh antifa?

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Zachary Cruz
Zachary Cruz

So Ireland, and her people are at fault because we were invaded, and used as a slave port by the invaders, and the invading elite profited? Are you fucking serious?

Joseph Sanders
Joseph Sanders

Indeed, the effects of colonialism can still be felt in Ireland.
Ireland rank #15 in terms of average Autism Level and the UK rank #7
Ireland also rank higher than the UK in terms of crime, with about 13% more crimer per capita.

Now, I don't think that's because Irish people are inherently subhuman compared to brits. It just shows the effect of long-term colonialism

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Noah Wood
Noah Wood

referring to a country as "her" instead of "its"
lmao what are you some kind of fuckin nerd?

Joseph Wood
Joseph Wood

If anything the old Boomers delusionaly wedded to the idea of the old Cold War era world order are one of our greatest obstacles.
And they're dying off.
We've managed to make inroads with the youth by outplaying your people at every turn on the internet, and if you can't see that, its your funeral.
news.gallup.com/poll/240725/democrats-positive-socialism-capitalism.aspx
Fewer Than Half of Young Americans View Capitalism Positively

Americans aged 18 to 29 are as positive about socialism (51%) as they are about capitalism (45%). This represents a 12-point decline in young adults' positive views of capitalism in just the past two years and a marked shift since 2010, when 68% viewed it positively. Meanwhile, young people's views of socialism have fluctuated somewhat from year to year, but the 51% with a positive view today is the same as in 2010.

Older Americans have been consistently more positive about capitalism than socialism. For those 50 and older, twice as many currently have a positive view of capitalism as of socialism.

Tyler Sanchez
Tyler Sanchez

The point is that "Ireland" is not one people and one land, just like must muslim nations.

But certainly, people who were irish profitted greatly from the slave-trade.
Many working-class people resisted however, thus why the socialist movement was so influencial in Ireland and redeemed the Irish nation.

Liam Smith
Liam Smith

What's so weird about that? Both want the same goal, just different tactics

Isaac Lee
Isaac Lee

Indeed, I went from communist to anarchist on Zig Forums

Michael Barnes
Michael Barnes

Those numbers only really apply because most Americans are fucking retards who think giving people healthcare is socialism. hur hur hur i am enlightened and know that taxing the rich to give universal healthcare is good. obviously it socialism cuz gooberment doin things.

Nicholas Ross
Nicholas Ross

"this is YOUR world"
a world where capitalism still reigns supreme is a leftist world

It's another "he thinks communism is trannies and sex worker liberation" episode.

muh old, natural order
hyooman naychure

lmao

Andrew Carter
Andrew Carter

We've managed to make inroads with the youth
No you haven't. Stop believing your own retarded propaganda. Convincing 10-13 year olds on /pol/ and r/T_D that hitler is cool is not the same thing as creating a real movement. It doesn't even count as "making inroads" since they are just basic bitch suburbanites who are trying to be edgy.

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Jacob Cox
Jacob Cox

We represent the vanguard of an older world order which has been dead for nearly a century and is now finally beginning to reassert itself as yours inevitably fails. We represent the oldest of orders, the natural order, the one which humans by their evolutionarily defined nature naturally gravitate towards and as such has served as the default order for the vast majority of human history.

Tell me of a time and place that this "natural order" existed.

Colton Price
Colton Price

What they mean usually is that they were American right liberals but then became racist. It's not a left wing problem
Big doubt on that, seems that many people who looked into Communism and Anarchism during their younger years end up pulling a hard shift rightwards as they try to escape the nihilism inherent in those ideologies.

Grayson Cook
Grayson Cook

But Marx's point on this is that it is the bourgeoisie that stoke and manipulate their fears and that it is only through the removal of the bourgeoisie class and capitalism as a whole by the united class of the proletariat that true economic progress can be made. This point is somewhat reiterated by Connolly, who made the point that it was capitalism that was the main adversary they should be against, not the British people themselves.

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Nolan Turner
Nolan Turner

Britain kept Ireland as an agrarian back water to fuel Englands growing population, and the Irish were treated like shit, and by your same argument I could say all of the African colonies are evil because they developed on the backs of Britain, you fucking retard, and if your talking about Ireland being a slave trading hub I’ll assume your talking about Dublin which was founded by Vikings, and they used slaves, but I guess that’s Ireland’s fault right? Also are you trying to tell me that Africans didn’t use slaves? If you are then you really are a massive spastic, what are you anyway? From the way your getting on it sounds like your some angry shitskin that hates whites, you seem to ignore all the crimes of nonwhites, and go after countries that haven’t hurt anyone just because their white. No wonder people would massacre nearly 50 people just to see shitskinned animals.

Andrew Reed
Andrew Reed

Do you have any evidence indicating that?

What's the demograpics in the support of Backstabbin' Bernie versus Donald Trump, for example?

Alexander Nelson
Alexander Nelson

You all need to watch this
m.youtube.com/watch?v=vM2Arjuw43I

Jace Collins
Jace Collins

Fascism is far more nihilistic though. Of course you have to be a bit older (like 18) to understand this.There's a reason why fashies end up murdering people like the shooter. It's a death cult and always has been. Of course back in the good old days fascists had the good sense to get themselves slaughtered in the many imperialist wars they wanted to fight. Nowadays they enjoy murdering innocent women and children at home. So much for the masculine right I guess.

Carson Bennett
Carson Bennett

United Kingdom average i.q: 100
Republic of Ireland average i.q: 92

Are you, as a human being, inferior to British people?

Christopher Edwards
Christopher Edwards

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Jace Davis
Jace Davis

nihilism
lmao rightards are such brainlets. Marx & Bakunin were modernists. Not like you know what that means, and you also don't know what communism or anarchism is. FFS will you faggots ever just read a book for once in your pathetic lives?

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Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

The vast majority of those people your talking about were Anglo planters, and somehow their crimes are being thrown on the Irish due to mere proximity, honestly what the fuck is your problem? You seem to do anything to justify destroying white nations for no reason, It wouldn’t be hard to justify wiping out Brazilians or sub Saharan Africans, all you have to do is take a trip to best gore, and 90% percent of the videos are shitskin brutality.

Justin Barnes
Justin Barnes

fascists are capitalists
WRONG WRONG WRONG Did you even TRY to do any research on our beliefs. The economy should be guided so that it serves the national interest. Not necessarily 100% planned and state run as that would be logistically unworkable and theres no need for complete equity as hierarchy is a natural element of human society, but certainly significantly guided enough to ensure good living standards for all citizens and that buisnesses don't act in ways that harm the nation as a whole (ex. destroying the environment, importing millions of foreign workers to replace the native population, using their influence to instigate needless wars, ect.
)

William Russell
William Russell

Opposite direction for me tbh

Wyatt Morris
Wyatt Morris

I certainly wouldn't argue it's the majority or anything, but if you spend any time in these circles you're constantly hearing people saying that they were radical leftists prior to turning rightwards, often with a Libertarian phase in between.

Right wing philosophy doesn't start or end with fascism.

Colton Bell
Colton Bell

You are the descendants of those so-called 'invading elites' so you did profit. And guess what is your capital now? The same town you built on slavery and colonialism.

Angel Collins
Angel Collins

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Asher Harris
Asher Harris

The test was done by Richard Lynn, an Ulster Scot, who went to ulster university of all places, I’m pretty sure that might have had an influence on his score, and considering the fact the test was done on only a few hundred from a nation of several million might be slightly dishonest, and one would have to take into account the brain drain in which the best, and brightest leave for other nations to find more skilled work, these factors I’m sure have done a number on this place.

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

love you too bub

Probably happens some the other way too, but I was just disagreeing with the person saying this wasn't a phenomena at all. Marxist ideologies have long found strong support among younger people, of course some of those people will become disillusioned and shift elsewhere as they find it unfulfilling and seek meaning above the material world.

Dominic Lopez
Dominic Lopez

Some of them were, sure. But people of Irish decent participated too.
There was nothing in "irish culture" that prevented them from participating in the expantion into the rest of the world.

Should the UK kill irish people and prevent them from going to the UK just because Irish people have lower I.Qs and higher crime-rates too? Should the UK reinvade your country once more?
Because if you're Irish, you haven't been considered white until fairly recently.

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Joseph Thomas
Joseph Thomas

WHO CARES we're replacing you white suburban and rural retards

Well now, if you ADMIT to and SUPPORT the genocide of Europeans than I have nothing left to say to you except: See you on the battlefield motherfucker, because, as the events of the last 24 hours should have demonstrated to you, we will not go down without a bloody fight.

Andrew Sanders
Andrew Sanders

thing, but if you spend any time in these circles you're constantly hearing people saying that they were radical leftists prior to turning rightwards, often with a Libertarian phase in between.

Okay, but if most young people aren't right-wingers, what does a few converts indicate?

Josiah Nelson
Josiah Nelson

And that same logic cannot be applied to the continent of Africa, why?
Are you saying that the third world does not experience brain-drain?

Colton Watson
Colton Watson

Brevik did what he did because he wanted to make fun of Islamophobes.

Maybe this was the similar thing?

Caleb Rivera
Caleb Rivera

we will not go down without a bloody fight
No, you'll go down with a shitty pointless fight against random people including your own kind. Terrorist attacks against random civilians =/= effective means to wage war against ruling governments/systems.

Hunter King
Hunter King

Well I remember seeing that if teenage aged white voters in America had been allowed to vote, Trump would have won overwhelmingly, something like 70% IIRC.
So in regards to the European population, it's significant that the right-wing now has a 'counter-cultural' and 'rebellious' element that can compete on the same grounds as the Left long has in fighting for the youth. You guys know this as a splinter group from /pol/, it didn't necessarily start out as a Nazi board, but became one over time. /pol/ users are overwhelmingly young.

Nathaniel Evans
Nathaniel Evans

we apparently live in a world where you can commit genocide without killing a single person. all you need do is move brown people into countries where there are predominantly white people. this means that the number of white people will decrease (because to count as white your blood must be pure) and that's genocide obvs

Tyler Nelson
Tyler Nelson

we're not capitalists except when we are
f-for the good of the nation, o-of course :^)

Austin Ramirez
Austin Ramirez

Those invading elites were killed by the Irish, and they sure as fuck didn’t mingle, they left once their power was broken, and the rest reside in Ulster, also that city was founded by the Vikings, and the slavery that went through their was done by the Vikings, but even though we kicked them off the island, the Irish people are getting shit for it, because some retard on the internet can’t tell the difference between one group of Europeans, and another, and again I can make the argument that sub Saharan Africa deserved to be take over because they took each other as slaves, and they developed on the backs of Britain.

Mason Lee
Mason Lee

WRONG WRONG WRONG Did you even TRY to do any research on our beliefs. The economy should be guided so that it serves the national interest.
Does your economy engage in commodity production for the purpose of aquiring a monetary surplus which is reinvested into further commodity production? If so, you're a capitalist.

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Eli Reyes
Eli Reyes

Race is just an outdated social construct and the only reason African nations ended up like they have is years of European colonialism robbing them of all important resources and autonomy to progress. They're forced to plant crops for money rather than food to this day by capitalist systems. Also, Europeans used to be just as brutal and yet you're not complaining about them? In communism there would be no need for violence when everyone has the necessary resources and spooks like race or nationality are done away with.

Jayden Allen
Jayden Allen

not go down without a fight
implying those killed were in any way fighting
like, at all

Your side killed a bunch of people who weren't even armed lmao but yeah, sure, gun down more people minding their own business. That'll awaken people alright, but not in the way you'd like.

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

Race is just an outdated social construct
fucking lol, how are this deluded

Andrew Bell
Andrew Bell

See you on the battlefield motherfucker, because, as the events of the last 24 hours should have demonstrated to you, we will not go down without a bloody fight.
Historically white people have killed more white people than non-whites ever have. Square up whiteboi cause you'll probably go against a member of your own "race" eventually.

Jack Thompson
Jack Thompson

Imagine thinking race has any basis in genetics at all. No, it's arbitrary skin colour categories for the sole purpose of keeping proles fighting each other instead of the capitalists.

Elijah Allen
Elijah Allen

If I recall correctly that was based on like a single state or a handful of districts. Makes sense since only nerdy Trump meme lords would beg their mommies to take them to the polls during a school day back in 2016.

Jaxson Ward
Jaxson Ward

It's delusion to think that just because some people have different skin color they're innately different somehow.

Grayson Brown
Grayson Brown

everything that isn't full communism is the same as capitalism

Do you not see the logical inconsistency with your line of reasoning? Let me put it to you like this:

If A ≠ B
and A ≠ C
That does not mean B = C

People who think like you are the reason we have stupid shit like Horseshoe theory

Kayden Turner
Kayden Turner

Says the retards perpetuating ideas about biology that were abandoned in the 1910s while obsessing over ancient Egyptian mythology and how it relates to the numbers their posts get on a French vase making forum.

Tyler Parker
Tyler Parker

Well I remember seeing that if teenage aged white voters in America had been allowed to vote, Trump would have won overwhelmingly, something like 70% IIRC.

Bernie has a 57-29 approval rating amongst voters under 25.
That's compared to Trumps 32-66 amongst young voters (altough I couldn't find out what constituted "young" in this poll)
That means that the more young voters vote, the less likely he is to win.

That runs in contrast to your narrative.

Aiden Bell
Aiden Bell

Fuck was supposed to respond to

Justin Ramirez
Justin Ramirez

Trump LOST Young White Males.

Mitt Romeny had more.

Brandon Anderson
Brandon Anderson

everything that isnt full capitalism is the same as communism

Joshua James
Joshua James

Every nation experiences brain drain, but Ireland gets it pretty bad with many young people leaving, and, how is what Britain did to Africa any different from what it did to Ireland? Actually I already know the difference, Africans enslaved each other, Africans sold each other to Europeans, Africa profited from European colonisation, but their not at fault, but Ireland is somehow. Just admit you fucking hate Europeans, and stop pretending to be some moral fag, no normal person would go after some random nation at the edge of Europe for the crimes of others, but ignore actual crimes from the rest of the world.

Aiden Carter
Aiden Carter

Capitalism is defined by its commodity production and capital accumulation. If a system has those two things it is capitalist. End of story.

Jace Murphy
Jace Murphy

There are no whites, white skin is a genetic mutation evolved from black skin
sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin
This is a scientific fact and you may not argue with it.
muh nations
Spooks.
hurr fascism isn't capitalism hurr
Yes it is, faggot. nazi germany privatized industry and destroyed worker unions, same with mussolini, and Franco. You retards don't even know your own history.
The economy should be guided so that it serves the national interest
"national interest" doesn't exist. It's filtered thru the behalf of a despot who claims to speak on behalf of others without their consent. Hitler made a backalley deal to rig his way into office and established for himself absolute power. There was no democracy. Same with Franco.
Exactly whose interest did it serve when Hitler destroyed native Germans' businesses and converted their assets into the Total War effort? Whose interest did it serve when he instituted slavery? Face it, you're just a cuck for the ruling classes.
hierarchy is a natural element of human society
No it's not, read Kropotkin.
nature.com/articles/srep18634
This is a scientific study on how hierarchy is harmful to humans. I know you faggots aren't big on science because to you, feelz > realz, but fucking read it.
buisnesses don't act in ways that harm the nation as a whole
Capitalism is destructive you retard, this is what you never seem to understand.

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Tyler Morgan
Tyler Morgan

Or maybe, and this may be a large stretch for someone like you, maybe BOTH the Africans who sold slaves to Europeans and the Europeans who used slaves are bad. What a crazy concept that would be.

Joshua Nguyen
Joshua Nguyen

Real talk: Why do american reactionaries keep promoting the "gen z is fascist" meme? What purpose does it serve? All the data indicates that they may well be even more left wing that millennials.

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Elijah Lewis
Elijah Lewis

actually us marxists love slavery when PoC do it which is why china reinforced tibetan theocracy

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

it essentially a coping mechanism, who cares if we lose cause our kids will win anyways!

Wyatt White
Wyatt White

lol nigga how is reproducing faster than you and getting more laid with your country women more than you genocide like nigga just find yourself an irish gf don't force other people to drop the black dick pill it has already been swallowed and fertilized by their irish eggs.

Jacob Kelly
Jacob Kelly

Not liking religion on a personal or political level means you support random fucking Proles that follow religion gunned down by an ebic meme Natzi XD
Bruh

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Cooper Nguyen
Cooper Nguyen

At this point I'm certain fascists just really want to jack off the idea that a black guy will fuck their wife in front of them, and calling leftists and liberals cucks is just projection.

Daniel Moore
Daniel Moore

Every nation experiences brain drain, but Ireland gets it pretty bad with many young people leaving, and, how is what Britain did to Africa any different from what it did to Ireland?

You should really read what I wrote again. You seem to responding to things that contradict what I said

Ireland was a part of the British colonial empire, and while it was arguably the first colony of the empire and were themselves treated like an inferior race and degenerate people, their owner-class too benefited from the transatlantic slave trade, if not directly, then by the sectors surrounding the infrastructure of slavery.

Indeed, the effects of colonialism can still be felt in Ireland.

Ireland rank #15 in terms of average Autism Level and the UK rank #7

Ireland also rank higher than the UK in terms of crime, with about 13% more crimer per capita.

The point is that "Ireland" is not one people and one land, just like must muslim nations.

But certainly, people who were irish profitted greatly from the slave-trade.

Many working-class people resisted however, thus why the socialist movement was so influencial in Ireland and redeemed the Irish nation.

I think you're arguing against someone who's not me.

You can acknowlege that people, who were Irish did bad things, and not all irish people are the same, while still acknowleging that those who cooperated in Ireland benefitted when the empire expanded, while not leaving it at the feet of the brave Irishmen who resisted.

Jacob Brooks
Jacob Brooks

I don't know the numbers, but there's a clear counter cultural presence on the internet of young whites who are being influenced by radical right ideas and belief systems. A lot of those people would've been fodder for Marxist or Anarchist ideas but have moved in another direction.

Imagine thinking race is limited to skin colour.

You've gone off the deep end my guy

You'd have to see how it goes for young whites, Gen Z is the least European generation in America's history, and obviously non-whites lean hard Democrat. Young whites might still be majority Democrat leaning, I don't know.

Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

If all the smart people in Ireland leave Ireland, then what does you staying say about you? :^)

Hudson Diaz
Hudson Diaz

But the Irish didn’t sell slaves, the Irish didn’t own slaves, but the Irish did kick out the two groups that did these two things, but the Irish are at fault because we look similar to those to groups, honestly fucking kys you can be this fucking retarded, you can’t seriously come to that conclusion, are you mentally ill perhaps? It might explain your complete lack of understanding, and comprehension.

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

It's pretty standard to right-wing ideology that they pass through a naive communist youth. They love this narrative so much that they'll reinterpret any beliefs they had a child to fit this formula. When you ask them what made them change their beliefs, however, they'll just come up with some empty wisdom like that "socialism doesn't fit human nature."

What they're really saying is that they lack the will and brainpower to follow through with their actual ideals, and that fear has pushed them to adopt some comfy spooks instead.

There's no doubt about this.

Logan Wilson
Logan Wilson

its just skin color
Says the retards perpetuating ideas about biology that were abandoned in the 1910s
It isn't only color and noone uses phrenology as a scientific justification outside meme infographs. Modern research consistently shows that intelligence, the most important factor in determining ones success in modern society, does vary significantly between certain racial groups. Stop conflating racial ideas of the 19th century with those derived from modern studies of genetics and intelligence. Thats a silly strawman. It'd be like me saying because atomic orbitals aren't actually circular or defined orbitals as was originally theorized I can throw out modern quantum theory as being baseless.

Samuel Perez
Samuel Perez

Honestly though who cares about his "journey"? He doesn't care about telling the truth anyways. This guy is like a leveled up version of the "what about the memes" guy. He even got stronger since last time he got roughed up by a 5'6" hispanic veteran.

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Gavin Nelson
Gavin Nelson

I didn’t say every smart person in the country has left, and unlike the people that did leave, I actually have some loyalty to my land, and I would prefer to stay here even if the economy went to shit, because I don’t want to abandon my homeland over something like money.

Christopher Murphy
Christopher Murphy

Are loyal people less smart then?
Is that what's dragging the I.Q down?

Henry Thomas
Henry Thomas

good to know you operate on feelings

Isaac Ramirez
Isaac Ramirez

18-29
Gen Z

Thats Millenials

Jack Rogers
Jack Rogers

my homeland
I'm curious as to where exactly you draw the line about what defines your homeland. Is it the neighborhood? The city? The region? The whole island?

Caleb Cook
Caleb Cook

its really not that uncommon to identify with a movement with only surface level understanding, even more common to abandon it with the same ease and speed when you come across the first paradox you cant puzzle out alone

Christopher Perry
Christopher Perry

Also it's important that we don't allow NeoLibs to use this as another call for gun control
It must be pointed out that reports state that when he rolled up to the second Mosque ready to blast the place practioners and armed security fired back which caused him to almost instantaneously flee like the coward he was

Connor Gonzalez
Connor Gonzalez

You'd have to see how it goes for young whites

Okay, have you got anything to indicate that young white men lean more right-wing than left-wing? Anything at all?

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

There was slavery in Africa because colonial countries including Ireland bought and traded in them in first place. Even kicking some slavers out twice for an arbitrary period won't change that.

Andrew Allen
Andrew Allen

pretty sure africans have been enslaving people longer than the triangle trade existed

Alexander Bennett
Alexander Bennett

What they're really saying is that they lack the will and brainpower to follow through with their actual ideals
This is kind of true, I found the emptiness inherent to Communism too much, as a Godless ideology concerned only with the material world, with no capacity for transcendence or higher meaning. It seemed to serve and promote humanity's basest instincts and impulses, while offering nothing but membership in an amorphous collective that has all its appetites sated. It didn't seem that there was anything there and it just represented humanity's decline.
and that fear has pushed them to adopt some comfy spooks instead.
Kind of yeah, the fear of the abyss.
You could argue it's not for comfort though, as you can view an inherently meaningless universe and life as more comfortable than the alternative, where a life of failure and bullshit has zero consequences. As opposed to the one where everything you do and think matters.

Parker James
Parker James

I could probably find something but I can't be bothered for the sake of this conversation sorry.

Chase King
Chase King

cites a sociology paper
said paper doesn't even argue that hierarchy isn't the natural state of human society

Come back at me with actual science that actually adresses my contention faggot. Maybe an anthropology paper?

Benjamin Jenkins
Benjamin Jenkins

So basically you were uncomfortable facing the harsh material reality of the world and wanted to believe there's something metaphysically greater about life. I can understand that, but I can't respect it. It's intellectual cowardice.

Jayden Ward
Jayden Ward

You realise Africa existed before Europeans arrived right? And that they had complex societies including large scale slave running systems way before colonialism, don't you? Europeans didn't invent slavery dummy.

Eli Martin
Eli Martin

Christcom has had some pretty shitty third worldist takes in the past, but no where did he say what you implied.

Grayson White
Grayson White

Okay, but just for the record, all data that had been found so far indicates the opposite of your thesis though

What sources have you got that Hierarchy is the natural state of Man?

Ian Brooks
Ian Brooks

This entire post
<Literally "Reality was to fucking harsh so I tricked myself into believing Muh god Muh Blood soil race sprit blah blah blah"
If a Materialist / scientific analysis of the world shows us god Dosent exist then that should tell you something

Ayden Diaz
Ayden Diaz

its possible if he was a college 'communist' liberal
the existence of these things have always been a problem for legitimate socialists, and i believe are intentionally created through CIA mind manipulation.

Jonathan Gonzalez
Jonathan Gonzalez

When Britain invaded they attempted to colonise the country with planters, they Anglos stayed within their own groups, and they formed the upper class on the island, ethnically Irish people were treated like secondhand citizens, and were persecuted, and no fucking potato farmer, builder or fisher made money from slavery, and the reason socialism did so well was because at the time it was the only real opposition to Britain’s capitalism, and imperialism, but considering the views of those socialists I would assume they would probably have become fascists if they lived long enough, padrig Pearce would be an ultranationalist by today’s standards, and those socialists in the rising would be pretty fucking opposed to dumping thousands of fucking Nigerians in Ireland.

John Harris
John Harris

/pol/ atm is pretty hilarious
One half of the board sucking his dick and the other half still desperately clawing to find evidence it was Muh joo's

William Reed
William Reed

This post is a joke, right? You're literally the person in the pic, denying reality.

Ryder Bailey
Ryder Bailey

IQ is a strictly European measure so it doesn't say nearly as much as you think it does. Lack of education due to problems caused by colonial powers is the only reason African countries aren't doing any better. As you see in Europe they learn in the exact same schools and can manage just as well as any European kid.so your racist arguments are simply invalid.

Cooper Rivera
Cooper Rivera

lol you are going along the exact path he wants you to and its incredible

Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

sociology isn't science because I said so
retard
said paper doesn't even argue that hierarchy isn't the natural state of human society
Where's your source that it is? Humans lived in primitive communes for the first 300,000 years of existence. You stupid faggots take the TV movieland version of history seriously and then get mad when it doesn't live up to your narrative.
anthropology
Read Kropotkin, like I said.

James Price
James Price

This path leads to solipsism, and if you aren't there I'd accuse you of cowardice yourself for not following your own belief system to its conclusion. Nothing exists outside of your own mind, do you accept that? That's the necessary end of materialistic reductionism, it takes 5 minutes of reasoning to figure this out.
And if you are solipsists I don't know why you'd bother being a communist.
you as well

Yeah that's fine.

Xavier Sullivan
Xavier Sullivan

Ireland wasn’t even an independent nation during the slave trade, how the fuck were we buying slaves? The native Irish sure as fuck couldn’t buy slaves, and stop blaming us for shit Anglos did. Look up Irish history before you start talking, you fucking retard.

Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy

why isn't this piece of shit thread deleted yet

William Flores
William Flores

From my own experience intellectuals tend to be prone to the delusion that everyone should be as intelligent as them, or should be able to act as rationally and "logically" as them. Being more intelligent typically translates into being more able to resist base instinct and emotional impulses. When said intellectuals see that others in society simply "don't get it" they become resentful of said perceived "inferiors" and that they owe no loyalty to the "ungrateful" and "ignorant" masses not realizing that their own wellbeing relies on all of society working together as a whole. They then either abandon their own people or feel they have the right to tyrannically control them by force if necessary. Most intellectuals don't see themselves as servants of their community as they should but instead as its rightful masters. I was an intellectual myself and I've since come to despise them. (Hint: the arrogant intellectual image I've painted describes the majority of you all)

Luis Parker
Luis Parker

"Nothing exists outside you're own mind" is the logical end game of a Materialist worldview
Read.
A.
Book.

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Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

Modern research consistently shows that intelligence, the most important factor in determining ones success in modern society, does vary significantly between certain racial groups.
No one disputes this. The question is on genetic vs. environmental factors, and whether such differences in Autism Level would even have any political implications. You're being a transparent charlatan.

Yeah, but my point is that most of these idiots never actually identified with these movements to begin with. They just superimpose the label retroactively because it supports their self-image.

You're too much of a sad little bitch to create your own meaning. Read Nietzsche and grow a pair.
you can view an inherently meaningless universe and life as more comfortable than the alternative, where a life of failure and bullshit has zero consequences
The universe isn't meaningless. That's just as much bullshit idealism as the shit you believe in. The fact is simply that meaning emanates from you as a human being, and this through your material actions in the world. You are your own creator. Get out there and create.

Hudson Kelly
Hudson Kelly

So did everyone but because of colonialism Africa never got out of slave trade cycle and it still continues to this day. That's part of why people want to get away from there.

I never claimed that they invented it, but they reinforced it.

Aiden Robinson
Aiden Robinson

If they read the manifesto, the Joo narrative would probably fall apart.

Gavin Barnes
Gavin Barnes

tribes are communes

OHNONONONONNONOONONO

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

Thing I don't like isn't true because if I believe it then it will make me uncomfortable!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences

Kevin Lopez
Kevin Lopez

you too lovely

I am going to read Nietzsche soonish.

Nathaniel Allen
Nathaniel Allen

Nothing exists outside of your own mind, do you accept that? That's the necessary end of materialistic reductionism, it takes 5 minutes of reasoning to figure this out.
This is literally the exact opposite of what materialism is

Nolan Gomez
Nolan Gomez

They were enslaving each other before Europeans arrived, and they still enslave people, don’t try, and blame this shit on Europeans, just because Africans don’t give a fuck about each other isn’t the fault of Europe, and Europeans didn’t enforce anything, Europeans were just better at taking slaves, I would argue the Arabs took more slaves, and they castrated them immediately, and in hindsight it was the right thing to do.

Parker Hughes
Parker Hughes

when /pol/ talks about "gen z" they really mean 9-13 year olds
Oh I get it now. /pol/tards are talking about themselves and their shitty suburban brat friends when they claim that gen z is "redpilled." And no, a large proportion of gen z are in their mid teens and early twenties at this point.

Jaxon Bennett
Jaxon Bennett

As you see in Europe they learn in the exact same schools and can manage just as well as any European kid

Thats 100% false and you know it

Camden Morgan
Camden Morgan

Materialism undermines itself as your experience is not a true reflection of the material world but a projection created within your own mind. You have no concrete reference to reality, only an illusion, and due to the reductionistic premises you operated on to get to this point, in order to remain consistent you must therefore say it isn't real at all. The universe outside of yourself isn't real, only your mind and experience is. Solipsism is the necessary conclusion of this path.

Luis Ross
Luis Ross

Now your just being salty. Its delicious salt though

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James Moore
James Moore

If I change a word that means I'm right
Humans lived in communes for 300,000 years, that means a group of people who shared direct access to resources and responsibilities to eachother for the direct benefit of everyone in the commune. Prove me wrong, faggot.

Oliver Gomez
Oliver Gomez

There was slavery in Africa because colonial countries including Ireland bought and traded in them in first place
That's exactly what you claimed.

Jose Morris
Jose Morris

Forgot my pic. As you can see, lots of firms consider anyone born from the mid 90s to the mid 2010s as being in gen z.

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Brayden Carter
Brayden Carter

Did those "communes" have social differentiation based on some factor (age, strength, ect.)? Did they have a definite leader or leaders? Then its nothing like your egalitarian hippy communes you are trying to conflate tribes with

Julian Hernandez
Julian Hernandez

your experience is not a true reflection of the material world but a projection created within your own mind
Your mind is a byproduct of material forces you imbecile. Electrochemical impulses interact to form thoughts and ideas and you experience the world through empirical devices also made from material reality.
You have no concrete reference to reality, only an illusion
Sounds like fascism tbh
due to the reductionistic premises you operated on to get to this point, in order to remain consistent you must therefore say it isn't real at all
you need material reality to experience the real world so your reality isn't real
Get yourself checked for schizophrenia I'm sure they can help you out, medicine has come a long way.

Kayden Gonzalez
Kayden Gonzalez

Define it however you want, playing semantics wont make you more correct. How about I just say "youth" and define it as 18 or younger. Do you have an actual argument then?

Owen Bailey
Owen Bailey

nobody is trying to that. socialist equality is equality of economic class, its capitalism that depends on the 'everyone is equal' kind of thinking to justify those who have more as obviously deserving it because they must have just worked harder.

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

Those tribes had chiefs, and those chiefs got the best woman, the best food, and all the fucking betas would do the menial shit, it wasn’t equal, and their most certainly was a ladder of status.

Nicholas Russell
Nicholas Russell

The differences there are only come from language barrier. Second generation immigrants do just as well, look at mayor of London for example.

I worded it poorly, it was why slavery in Africa persisted and worsened

Cameron Parker
Cameron Parker

Did those "communes" have social differentiation based on some factor
The closest you could argue is (some) maturity rites where children undergo a ritual in order to be considered adults and to take on adult responsibilities (which is hardly the same thing as being lead by a dictator), but other than that, no. Your TVland version of a 'tribe' being lead by a big stronk alpha male is a fucking fantasy because you retards don't fucking read anthropology, history, or biology. You are living in a fucking fantasy land where nothing is real. You are the 40 year old cretin living in his mother's house who thinks Harry Potter is real.

Anthony White
Anthony White

But Marx's point on this is that it is the bourgeoisie that stoke and manipulate their fears and that it is only through the removal of the bourgeoisie class and capitalism as a whole by the united class of the proletariat that true economic progress can be made. This point is somewhat reiterated by Connolly, who made the point that it was capitalism that was the main adversary they should be against, not the British people themselves.

I think this is acceptable to us, but didn't Marx and Connolly both advocate for Irish independence as a prerequisite for this class consciousness?

My view is that rather than capitalism smashing peoples together through material integration and leading to a refined class antagonism, this is reproducing the national question and dividing labor.

As it stands, it just looks to us like the left is supporting the jailhouse of nations it opposed 100 years ago.

John Cox
John Cox

You. Are. Living. In. A. Fucking. Fantasy. Land.

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Materialism undermines itself as your experience is not a true reflection of the material world but a projection created within your own mind.
Sure, this is why people can be wrong about things, or change their opinion, what you hold in your mind is not reality, its your understanding of it. That is materialism.

The alternative is to say that your experiences are all thats real, and the most important thing, and reality itself is simply a projection of your mind or some mass shared projection of the mind of people. This is what everything else is based on, and its absurd, and most people would even reject it if it was laid out to them this way.

Keep in mind i dont even fully reject it, im a skeptic and so wont make any definite statements, its fun to think metaphysically time to time, but the most sensible approach to reality is just to assume the tree makes a sound whether anyone sees it or not, and so thats what i go with.

Luis Reyes
Luis Reyes

Anyone got a current link to the stream?

Noah Hall
Noah Hall

I see this is the most active Zig Forums has been in a while, and it's all thanks to /pol/.

Matthew White
Matthew White

the arrogant intellectual image I've painted describes the majority of you all
So you're literally projecting

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Sebastian Mitchell
Sebastian Mitchell

differentiation between individuals is the same as class
You're so fucking predictable.

These primitive communes contained no differentiation with respect to the means of production. Everyone was expected to pick up whatever tools they could to produce value for the rest of the group, and in return got to share whatever value the other members created.
Why would those "betas" take any of that shit? If I were in their position I'd team up and murder that alpha. Or even better – simply walk off.

Evan Garcia
Evan Garcia

feminism

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

There is almost no evidence of social stratification in paleolithic society. The closest thing to hierarchy is varying degree of gerontalism, meaning that old people have more influence, but besides that no evidence can be found, not even in the stone-age people that are still around.
Even intribes with "chiefs", those chiefs are largely ceremonial religious figures, rather than true monarchs.

Brayden Nelson
Brayden Nelson

some of us are interested in you guys. most young nationalists are the way they are because of a new proletarianization, they will not look forward to owning a home, having a stable family, working without committing to lifelong learning, and knowing what social trust is

Jackson Sullivan
Jackson Sullivan

You're the one living in a fantasy. A rather old fantasy that the state of nature was this sort of paradise where no inequality or hardship existed and that civilization somehow "corrupted" us. The idea has roots that go all the way back to the Biblical story of Adam and Eve and their expulsion from Eden and was a concept that became popularized in the 19th century as it was embraced by many anticolonialists. This was all of course before anthropology and biology were developed fields.

Jordan Myers
Jordan Myers

The closest documented thing we have to ancient tribes were the native Americans, and they had leaders, some Tribes I’m sure had a council of elders who made decisions, but they all sure as fucking shit had some kind of hierarchy. Do you seriously think everyone was equal just because they had no written language to put laws down?

Ryder Evans
Ryder Evans

You honestly don't get it.
Your mind is a byproduct of material forces
The scientific method relies on observation, ie your sensory organs sending stimuli to your brain, which then creates an experience which you can observe and derive facts from.
^That entire thing is illusory, all experience is illusion created within your mind, that's a fact demonstrated to us through scientific observation itself. As I said it self undermines, materialistic reductionism necessarily leads to solipsism, as soon as you realise the entire material world you're aware of originates entirely within your own mind.
And as I've said, I don't believe this you npc faggot.

Well that's probably true.

what you hold in your mind is not reality, its your understanding of it. That is materialism.
The idea that the objective world is more real than the world you actually experience is untenable from the perspective materialists run on. On the one hand to dismiss transcendental reality because you have no experience of it, then to say that your own experience is less real than an imagined "objective" universe on the other is inconsistent and not a position you can hold under scrutiny.
This is what everything else is based on, and its absurd
That's why I don't believe this stuff anymore, it is entirely absurd.
and most people would even reject it if it was laid out to them this way.
Everyone does, even people for whom it's the necessary conclusion of their belief system.
but the most sensible approach to reality is just to assume the tree makes a sound whether anyone sees it or not, and so thats what i go with.
That's your opinion, and as an irreligious person maybe it works for you, for now, but for other types of people living in absolute uncertainty isn't possible.
It doesn't make a sound btw, because sound is a subjective experience. Maybe it causes 'vibrations in the atmosphere' or some shit.

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

The formation of defined classes and more well defined stratification is the natural result in an increase in the size of communities. How does this disprove the hierarchal nature of society?

Jacob Nguyen
Jacob Nguyen

the state of nature was this sort of paradise where no inequality or hardship existed and that civilization somehow "corrupted" us
Nobody fucking says that except for anprims and nobody takes them seriously, Nice strawman, faggot.

Kayden Peterson
Kayden Peterson

If you tried to murder the alpha then I’m sure he would fuck you up, because he probably gained that position by being fucking alpha, and I’m sure he would have guards anyway, but if you did fuck him up, then you would be the new chief, congratulations, and if you walked away then good for you, nobody would care, and I doubt anyone would try, and stop you.

Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

You're the one living in a fantasy. A rather old fantasy that the state of nature was this sort of paradise where no inequality or hardship existed and that civilization somehow "corrupted" us

No, that's what modern anthropology tells us. It's such common knowlege within the anthropology and archeology communities that it's not even an issue of debate anymore, and it's even on wikipedia.

Stone-age people still around are:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirahã_people
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mura_people
britannica.com/topic/Australian-Aboriginal

Gavin Edwards
Gavin Edwards

No it is not fake you stupid Trot

Logan Fisher
Logan Fisher

You're the one living in a fantasy. A rather old fantasy that the state of nature was this sort of paradise where no inequality or hardship existed and that civilization somehow "corrupted" us
Are you trying to quote Rousseau at me? As civilization was built on agriculture and the division of labor that lead to the modes of production. Humanity wasn't corrupted by civilization but rather evolved by its invention
Biblical story of Adam and Eve and their expulsion from Eden
Literally a made up story.
as it was embraced by many anticolonialists. This was all of course before anthropology and biology were developed fields.
source? or are you just talking out of your ass?

Julian Johnson
Julian Johnson

A rather old fantasy that the state of nature was this sort of paradise where no inequality or hardship existed and that civilization somehow "corrupted" us
No one is saying this. No one besides anprims want to go back to proto-communism and live in tribes that have to scrounge around the environment and gather to obtain basic supplies. The point the anons were making was that those tribes had no economic classes, just titles and roles.
but they all sure as fucking shit had some kind of hierarchy.
Communists literally don't give two shits about the liberal concept of equality. Communists have literally zero problem with naturally occurring hierarchies (as in, someone is better at something so they occupy a higher or specific position in something). Actually read communist theory for once before attempting to state this strawman about how "communists hate hierarchy, they want everyone to be equal lol".
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/letters/75_03_18.htm

Adrian Edwards
Adrian Edwards

The formation of defined classes and more well defined stratification is the natural result in an increase in the size of communities. How does this disprove the hierarchal nature of society?
Society doesn't have a "nature". It's the very definition of artificiality.
I wouldn't go up to him alone. I'm a weak manlet. What I'd do go to all the other weak manlets, of whom there are a lot more than strongmen, and conspire to go stab those strongmen with pointy sticks. Maybe I'd become a defacto chief because of the initiative I took, but I'd know that the moment I stop serving the interests of my equals they'll remove me as well.
You see this shit in monkeys. Usually the "alpha" is the one who does most to serve the rest of the group. This effect would be much stronger with humans, due to our superior ability to organize.

Nicholas Howard
Nicholas Howard

Communists literally don't give two shits about the liberal concept of equality. Communists have literally zero problem with naturally occurring hierarchies (as in, someone is better at something so they occupy a higher or specific position in something). Actually read communist theory for once before attempting to state this strawman about how "communists hate hierarchy, they want everyone to be equal lol".

It was once explained to me that current richer nations under communism can potentially reproduce something resembling dependency theory or otherwise restore capitalism as their white collar, which is largely white, lose a kind of labor aristocrat comfort. The solution was public works projects on the other side of the color line

Tyler Garcia
Tyler Garcia

A wild ☭TANKIE☭ appears

And this is why we can't have conversations with right-wingers.

Mason Reed
Mason Reed

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
how can someone be so based

Anthony Baker
Anthony Baker

based

can someone explain why you guys use /pol/ language? doesn't this get you identified as a gamer incel in IRL leftist circles?

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

I hope more die tbh, praying for another hero

Nathan Murphy
Nathan Murphy

go away

Logan Martin
Logan Martin

Because we are a bunch of fucking nerds on a Taiwanese image forum. You expect us to act any different? Normies despise 4chan and Zig Forums due to the amount of retardation spawned from here. Including the recent NZ attacks

Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

It was once explained to me that current richer nations under communism can potentially reproduce something resembling dependency theory or otherwise restore capitalism as their white collar, which is largely white, lose a kind of labor aristocrat comfort. The solution was public works projects on the other side of the color line
Sounds retarded. In socialism (lower-phase communism), the services created benefit the entirety of the populace and production becomes more socialized as the entirety of the proletariat is utilized in industry and other services. I don't really see how this kind of "dependency theory" would occur. If anything the requirement of conscripting everyone into the growing industry and the need to grow it further every where to the point of obtaining public sufficiency would prevent as much
Shut up liberal
doesn't this get you identified as a gamer incel in IRL leftist circles?
Based
/pol/ language
Fuck people IRL if they have a problem and get their panties in a twist over extremely benign language like "based"

Mason Barnes
Mason Barnes

I resisted for a very long time but i was exposed to it so much i started using it because it now sounds correct in my head

Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

Pic related from his manifesto.

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Jaxon Evans
Jaxon Evans

go away

I don't get to interact with many far-left people

Sounds retarded. In socialism (lower-phase communism), the services created benefit the entirety of the populace and production becomes more socialized as the entirety of the proletariat is utilized in industry and other services. I don't really see how this kind of "dependency theory" would occur. If anything the requirement of conscripting everyone into the growing industry and the need to grow it further every where to the point of obtaining public sufficiency would prevent as much

That was my understanding as well, and that these public works projects were actually reintroducing surplus value and therefore the state in order to sanction a kind of distribution that wouldn't otherwise happen.

I also didn't understand the 'white worker capitalist restoration' thing since I wasn't sure what could actually be seized by them. If there's no commodity production, money, or private property, how can an isolated capitalist economy survive?

This person was a left-communist though, and some sort Fanon fan

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

This whole manifesto is filled with contradictions

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Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

The closest documented thing we have to ancient tribes were the native Americans, and they had leaders
Your shitty alpha male fantasy is widly discredited, the "leaders" you speak of are just advisors: they can't force another person to go die off in a war and then punish them if they refuse. To give an example, the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) are matriarchial societies where women have the most political power, they advise whether or not the rest of the commune should declare war, but can't actually force anyone to fight.
The scientific method relies on observation, ie your sensory organs sending stimuli to your brain, which then creates an experience which you can observe and derive facts from
That's called empiricism fuckwit
That entire thing is illusory, all experience is illusion created within your mind
So you're an idealist. Plato wasn't the god of knowledge you know.
that's a fact demonstrated to us through scientific observation itself
In order for that to be true you would have to know that your empirical devices aren't fake but you need evidence for that, and that's where rationalism comes in.
muh NPC buzzword
lol says the fascist retard who believes everything he sees on TV. Also how can you reconcile beliving in "NPCs" (we call them 'philosophical zombies', dumbshit) with the belief that solipsism isn't real? By your own admission I have to have a working, functioning, real mind. Cogito ergo sum.

Jordan Young
Jordan Young

Those don't contradict
birthrates are tied to race
birthrates are also affected by culture
islamic countries, regardless of what race all have high birthrate due to culture
Obviously birthrates are highly contingent and change over time, so the effect race has on it only really applies as a current yardstick or tool of measurement against other groups, as opposed to saying something there is something inherent to the biology.

Justin Gutierrez
Justin Gutierrez

All of your tribal examples you've given are of those that failed to advance past the tribal stage and were conquered as a result, you know that right?

Luis Bell
Luis Bell

But if birthrates are inate to race and also culture, does that not mean that culture is inate to race? Does that mean that the countless times society has changed has marked a mutation in the genes?

Chase Scott
Chase Scott

this is a question outside the scope of modern science but it is a good question

Nathaniel Williams
Nathaniel Williams

like for example we've seen shifts in ape societies with shifts in genes i.e boons to society adopting pacifism as the selfish boons get outcompeted by the sharing ones

Parker Miller
Parker Miller

i think it's complicated by the fact genes are your environment, and that culture is passed down.

As far as I can tell, there is a complex interaction between nature and nurture that probably does mean alterations in either will change our existing idea of a people

David James
David James

By people who were, by the archeological records at least, just like them in societal terms.

Besides, this is a massive shifting of the post. If there are human beings, in nature, who do not conform to "human nature", then that throws the "human nature" argument in the bin, when they do not conform.
Find one piece of evidence for a strict european paleolithic culture now or in history.
All evidence so far indicate that we're right.

No, it's a ridiculous question. There's almost no genetic differences between modern humans and ancient egyptians, yet our cultures have almost nothing in common.

Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

Rationalism doesn't escape solipsism, it's another reducing step into nothing. If truth can only be derived through human intelligence, and human intelligence is limited, flawed and temporary, while the truth must necessarily be eternal and unchanging, then we cannot know the truth.
Also how can you reconcile beliving in "NPCs" (we call them 'philosophical zombies', dumbshit) with the belief that solipsism isn't real? By your own admission I have to have a working, functioning, real mind
Not true, there are people who have no internal monologue, which is where the meme originated. I know a person who is like this, normal guy otherwise.
Or it could just be taken as a generic insult, as it was intended you sperg.

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

internal monologue nigga who has that i thought we all had internal dialogues

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

It's an interesting question that I don't know any better than you.
Makes sense to me that it's a complex interplay of all the factors involved all affecting one another, genes, environment, pre-existing culture, language etc. It's not "this affects this," but "everything affects everything else." As well as possibly other forces that we're not even aware of, as the ancients generally believed.

Asher Campbell
Asher Campbell

There was some study they did a while back that (kind of) showed some people have no experience of an internal monologue, at no point in the day are they ever talking to themselves in their mind. I thought this was what everyone did all the time, but having spoken to a mate of mine who genuinely says he's never thought that way, and in fact can hardly begin to describe how he thinks, "it's kind of in images or something," I guess it's true to an extent.

Dominic Wright
Dominic Wright

All of your tribal examples
That wasn't me.
failed to advance past the tribal stage and were conquered as a result, you know that right?
So? This is completely in line with the Marxist conception of history.
The idea is that when technology advances far enough, common people will be empowered to create something very much like it. Not because they wish to return to a glorious past, but because it's in their rational self-interest right now.

Isaiah Reed
Isaiah Reed

is it just like talking to yourself like a monologue or do you not also have like the second nonvocal side probing questions and stuff

Elijah Reed
Elijah Reed

So? This is completely in line with the Marxist conception of history.
This

Jackson Rogers
Jackson Rogers

Time to learn from experience lads.

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Angel Baker
Angel Baker

Viking siedmadr drank semen because it contained magic.
There is no hidden traditional wisdom, unless you'd like to eat cum to attend hogwartz.

Besides that, since genetics has remained a constant, it does not make sense for them to decide culture, which has changed significantly over the years, thus the initial hypothesis. Thus the statements in the manifesto are contradictory.

Landon Lewis
Landon Lewis

What do we do about kikes and niggers who are totally good guys?
This is like day 1 shit.

Blake Williams
Blake Williams

since genetics has remained a constant,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_10,000_Year_Explosion

nature.com/news/past-5-000-years-prolific-for-changes-to-human-genome-1.11912

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

sincere
a guy who claimed he learned nationalism from Spyro the Dragon 3 and how to "floss" on the dead from Fortnite
sincere
Would mind going back to 4chan please?

Bentley Mitchell
Bentley Mitchell

Time to learn from experience lads.

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Jackson Parker
Jackson Parker

You should read Hegel. He explains this shit pretty clearly at the start of the introduction of his Phenomenology.

His basic idea is that your second assumption, "human intelligence is limited," is wrong. You can't divide the world into an eternal material reality on the one hand and a limited cognitive faculty on the other. As you say, this necessarily descends into solipsism. The solution is to realize that your cognitive faculty is always already part of the world, is just as infinite and interdependent as any other.
marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/ph/phintro.htm

Sebastian Robinson
Sebastian Robinson

There exists not iota of evidence that such an organization exists, not an iota. It simply does not exist outside the sad delusions of the mentally deranged Breivik and his roleplaying fantasies. Yet the shooter references the organization, and not like some sort of abstract way, but as a concrete organization with a structure. He is clearly lying. But it's such an outrageously ridiculous lie.
The Knights Templar do exist though.

Knights Templar 'leader' denies role in Norway killings
youtube.com/watch?v=LEfaThRZprQ

Oliver Parker
Oliver Parker

IS THIS REAL?. China hate all religions, not muslim in particular.

Caleb Thompson
Caleb Thompson

China is pretty fascist nowadays. They love traditional religion and harmonious society and so on.

Gavin Lee
Gavin Lee

Did you read his Manifesto?

Kevin Perez
Kevin Perez

You can't divide the world into an eternal material reality on the one hand and a limited cognitive faculty on the other
Why not?
The solution is to realize that your cognitive faculty is always already part of the world
How does this work with the scientific understanding of a progressive universe with linear time?
just go read it
I will later.

It's like a silent monologue
or do you not also have like the second nonvocal side probing questions and stuff
I don't understand that

There is no hidden traditional wisdom
That's your opinion
since genetics has remained a constant
Not sure why you'd think that, it changes constantly. A modern example is that atheists have fewer children, while Christians are still above replacement levels. Any genes that promote religiosity somehow seem to also be good at maintaining themselves.

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

do you want to talk about how spyro the dragon radicalized him too?
Not being able to detect sarcasm would actually explain a lot about some of the views on /pol/ here.

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Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

it does not make sense for them to decide culture

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balance of individualism and collectivism does seem informed by genetics, which in turn is informed by environment.

I think we should start considering biology itself a material conditions, for all intents and purposes, echoing Engels' description of 'race' as one.

Sebastian Garcia
Sebastian Garcia

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2894685/

fixed first link

Benjamin Ross
Benjamin Ross

escape attempt
that's what I thought as well, but the news is passing him off as a hero who was trying to save everyone by tackling the shooter.

Jack Evans
Jack Evans

If truth can only be derived through human intelligence, and human intelligence is limited, flawed and temporary, while the truth must necessarily be eternal and unchanging
Read Stirner, the truth is dead. It means nothing, it's something ascribed to the world by us humans. The truth is quite literally a human construct.
there are people who have no internal monologue
It was a meme study. Come the fuck on.
I know a person who is like this
How do you "know"? Your mind isn't his mind, your flesh isn't his flesh. Maybe you're the NPC, ever think of that?
at no point in the day are they ever talking to themselves in their mind
Maybe because they're busy under the pressures of life in capitalism? Maybe they're just thinking of other things? Maybe they are capable but just choose not to? This is hardly fucking proof that people are nothing more than walking pre-scripted drones that merely react to the outside world in a dystopian B. F. Skinner-esque videogame. This reminds me of when Immanuel Kant argues that animal abuse wasn't a real thing because dogs can't actually feel pain, their yelps and cries are mechanical reactions that don't actually cause inner conceptions of pain…Furthermore, you have to talk to yourself in your head when you read because you recite the words.

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

Why not?
Hegel:
For if knowledge is the instrument by which to get possession of absolute Reality, the suggestion immediately occurs that the application of an instrument to anything does not leave it as it is for itself, but rather entails in the process, and has in view, a moulding and alteration of it. Or, again, if knowledge is not an instrument which we actively employ, but a kind of passive medium through which the light of the truth reaches us, then here, too, we do not receive it as it is in itself, but as it is through and in this medium. In either case we employ a means which immediately brings about the very opposite of its own end; or, rather, the absurdity lies in making use of any means at all.

How does this work with the scientific understanding of a progressive universe with linear time?
Good question. I'm not enough of a Hegel scholar to do any justice to it though.

David Moore
David Moore

This is the single most retarded strawman of reactionaries and porkies that I’ve ever seen. You should do the left a favor and commit suicide

Elijah Lewis
Elijah Lewis

Guy was insane, I don't think he had any real beliefs at all.

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Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

Does anyone have that one image showing how Stormfront took over 4chan's /pol/ back in the day?

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

This is literally Lenin advocating labor vouchers.

Jack Robinson
Jack Robinson

I was born and raised in California and lived in san francisco for 5 years. Being surrounded by homosexuality and supporters constantly really made me think it was ok. I even went so far as to date a trans woman. We always fought violently and it always came back to the same thing, she was a he. Over time I noticed all the people I got to know who came to sf from other states started out straight but slowly converted by messing with trannies then eventually becoming them. Its insane. Once I decided to stop smoking weed I became disgusted by trans people. I realized the reason we fought was because I was disgusted with myself because of my actions. I was super to the left, now I simply believe in family, friends and homogeneous communities. You can be you but do it in your group, around your people.

Joseph Russell
Joseph Russell

Read Stirner, the truth is dead. It means nothing, it's something ascribed to the world by us humans. The truth is quite literally a human construct.
Nicely solipsistic, and we're back to where we started, anarchism and communism are nihilistic ideologies leading nowhere but death. People getting to that point will kill themselves if they're true to their logic, or failing that they'll turn elsewhere having accepted their logic and intelligence as limited. But it makes no difference as it's all meaningless and absurd anyway right..
It was a meme study
I agree
How do you "know"? Your mind isn't his mind, your flesh isn't his flesh
Again, I'm not a solipsist anymore, my arguments from that perspective are devil's advocate. Perhaps I don't "know" it, but I believe it because I questioned him at length about it and don't have any reason to think he was lying.
Maybe you're the NPC, ever think of that?
Oh my God
Maybe because they're busy under the pressures of life in capitalism?
fucking lol
Maybe they're just thinking of other things?
It's a meme you sperg, fucking relax. Even this guy I know who fits into the actual definition of it (no internal monologue) still has thoughts, they're just not contained within language. He's nevertheless a successful business owner who's socially normal etc.
Furthermore, you have to talk to yourself in your head when you read because you recite the words.
That's probably the one time he does it. He honestly seemed baffled when I started asking him about it, he'd never considered that he was different. I presume if there's one there are more, and it probably works in gradients. No one thinks exclusively in language, and some people are likely far more image/feeling etc oriented than others. Then some people are raised by wild dogs and are never given language at all, what is their consciousness like? Very unlike mine (and maybe yours) for sure.

Josiah Taylor
Josiah Taylor

being gay is okay tho stop being a faggot

Aaron King
Aaron King

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Colton Robinson
Colton Robinson

Thanks fam.

Caleb James
Caleb James

in his manifesto he says he had great experiences with cultures around the world. He found people to be nice and even consider him a friend. He explicitly says he isnt a racist. He did it because the people in New zealand and the rest of the western world are invaders. The over populate, they foist their own into political power and then seek to shape the nation. He isnt a racist, he was just playing defense.

Kayden Rodriguez
Kayden Rodriguez

If its ok then why did it make me hate myself?

Isaiah Edwards
Isaiah Edwards

quotes Marx and Lenin on an specific topic
a wild ☭TANKIE☭ appears

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Jeremiah Watson
Jeremiah Watson

Well, you do seem like a fag.

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

I genuinely believe true racism is wrong, and while I dont see the efficacy of shooting 50 random muslims I can see his point. I understand his perspective even if it isnt my own.

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

internalized longing for big primitive nigger cock

Ryan Jenkins
Ryan Jenkins

samefag who did the last 100+ posts about "i don't agree with him BUT i do tho he based" to screenshot

Parker Sanchez
Parker Sanchez

I was the top, not the bottom. I was "in love" with this person for a long time until I realized it was actually selfish obsession. (s)he was my property and my self worth was tied to this person. I was depressed before I met this person and desperate for affection. The first time we had sex I cried out of disgust but got high and came back around. I stayed high every day those five years.

Charles Walker
Charles Walker

He pretty clearly spells out his beliefs in his manifesto. Sure, there was a fair amount of memeing, but it's not too difficult to understand what's just a pure joke, what's part joke part reality, and what's pure reality to him.

Carson Bell
Carson Bell

I didnt say I agree, dont put words in my text (mouth). I said i understand his perspective.

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

go back to smonking, you are a better person when you are wasted on weed every single day of your life

Matthew Sullivan
Matthew Sullivan

australian
goes to new zealand to shoot unarmed people specifically because they're muslims
"defense"

That racism or he's got severe mental problems.

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

For if knowledge is the instrument by which to get possession of absolute Reality, the suggestion immediately occurs that the application of an instrument to anything does not leave it as it is for itself, but rather entails in the process, and has in view, a moulding and alteration of it
Reminds you of the findings from the double slit experiment.
the absurdity lies in making use of any means at all.
It may simply boil down to absurdity, a limited intelligence like mine trying to over intellectualise incomprehensibles must most likely end in a big knot.

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

How interesting how many people are trying to derail the thread.

Justin Scott
Justin Scott

it's an useless thread to begin with

Jordan Young
Jordan Young

Its not like this thread is a high velocity conversation. No one is being stopped from reading the whole thing and responding to points they want to. We cant have two conversation in one thread without it being a conspiracy?

Isaac Lee
Isaac Lee

convert to right-wing ideologies
He's a fucking agent.
The political spectrum crap is a red herring.

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Dylan King
Dylan King

get stoned so you can fuck trannies
is this the apotheosis of leftypol?

Wyatt Martin
Wyatt Martin

I thought I was a good person but I wasnt, I was lying to a person, pretending to love them, I was jealous because I was insecure, my whole life was wrapped up in whether or not this person cheated on me because this person was tied to my self worth. "If even this person wouldnt put me first who would" kind of thing. I dont have those types of issues now, im not sad and desperate anymore. The only times in my life ive been scared and weak were while using drugs which started at 13

Levi Butler
Levi Butler

While I was using drugs I was far to the left. I was permissive of everything just like everyone around me. Sober I was shocked at how I was ok with people shooting up on the streets and homeless individuals getting HIV intentionally for housing. I looked around at my environment and realized it was sick just like I was. A society does in fact need rules and its wrong to push the notion anything is permissible. Luckily the new SF mayor london breed can see the sickness and is doing somthing about it. Look at the sfpd tenderloin twitter feed. They arrest dozens and on occasion, hundreds a week. All the people standing around selling drugs, using drugs etc. They are pulling them off the street and the tenderloin looks better than it has in a decade. Less robbery, less homicide, far less OD deaths.

Lincoln Cox
Lincoln Cox

lol triggered.
Nicely solipsistic
it's egoist retard
anarchism and communism are nihilistic ideologies
No they are not, learn what "modernism" means faggot it will take you only a moment google search
or failing that they'll turn elsewhere having accepted their logic and intelligence as limited. But it makes no difference as it's all meaningless and absurd anyway right..
U GUIZ HAVE 2 BELIEVE IN FASCISM OR THERES NO REASON 2 LIVE U GUIZ ;w;
Go the fuck back to Gaia.

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

A society does in fact need rules and its wrong to push the notion anything is permissible
So where do Marx and Marxists say anything is permissible again?
Also,
Addressing the symptom, not the sickness itself
Enjoy your reoccurring problem

Ryan King
Ryan King

Egoism is pretty solipsistic.
Nihilistic in the sense that they reject higher or metaphysical truths, that they are ideologies that reduce down to nothing.
U GUIZ HAVE 2 BELIEVE IN FASCISM OR THERES NO REASON 2 LIVE U GUIZ ;w;
You guys have such a hard-on for fascists lol, I'm not one though.

Brody Carter
Brody Carter

metaphysical truths
it really is a travesty seeing the ripples of jordan peterson's rape of language

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

reject higher or metaphysical truths
This isn't an argument, I'm sorry. This is just saying that something is uncomfortable so its not true.

William Perez
William Perez

you guys have a hard-on for fascists lol
I'm not one

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Zachary Morris
Zachary Morris

I'm not saying it's an argument, I'm describing communism as nihilistic in the sense that it rejects any higher or religious reality, that it's a material worldview. And I'm then saying that many people reject that, as they have a religious character and find they nothingness at the centre of these ideologies impossible to live with.

Don't project your weird Freudian pathologies onto me cheers.

Charles Thomas
Charles Thomas

boo hoo communism will give the whole world better life conditions and actually fight climate change BUT IT WON'T GIVE ME MY HIGHER RELIGIOUS PURPOSE FUCK COMMIES

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

You think that sounds "far left" but to me that's a vision of the world wanted by the "libertarian" right. You have the wrong idea about what we actually want the world to look like.

Owen Carter
Owen Carter

Speak for yourself.

Hudson Sanders
Hudson Sanders

Why do you want better living conditions? There's a nothingness at the heart of your world.

no u

Jaxson Brown
Jaxson Brown

it's telling that you have difficulty defining what you mean by "higher or metaphysical truths" in the first post and then "higher or religious reality" in the second post. in both times you used the form "X or Y", not simply stating things. that's not because you're necessarily stupid, but because those are fuzzy ideas that upon attempts at clarification, vanish into nothingness instead of crystalizing into any definite idea.

Easton Reed
Easton Reed

Why do you want better living conditions? There's a nothingness at the heart of your world.
Because that's the choice they've made in their life, and they've made that choice absolute?
Hilariously and ironically enough, read Kierkegaard.

Adam Williams
Adam Williams

It's almost like they don't know what they are talking about?

don't project

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Robert Lee
Robert Lee

I agree, but I'm not trying argue for the veracity of religious or metaphysical realities, just stating the obvious - that communism rejects them, and that the ensuing despair many people experience leads them away from the ideology. That lack of belief likely leads many people into communism as well, they're materialists already so they're susceptible to it. I don't believe the meaning they seek will be found there though.
I don't believe humans cope well without a transcendent truth to organise their society and give their personal lives meaning. Certainly many people on here would disagree, but I tend to think that people with nihilistic or reductionistic philosophies who aren't wracked by despair and confusion don't really understand or live out what they profess to believe.

And if they accomplish their goal it'll be as meaningless as if they don't, it wouldn't matter.
Why read Kierkegaard?

Blake Butler
Blake Butler

I believe he likes China's gulags where they send the Uyghurs in Xin Jiang province.

Adrian Carter
Adrian Carter

religious reality
Lol

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

Your atheism is super original and badass, opiate of the masses etc.
It's pretty tired mate.

Noah Ward
Noah Ward

my point isn't to accuse you of being religious, only of confusion. the "nothingness at the heart of the world" as you put it, is being done a disservice by people who wield words like nihilism or transcendent truth so clumsily

Chase Morgan
Chase Morgan

That is because Zig Forums is always wrong.

Nathaniel Roberts
Nathaniel Roberts

I get my point across well enough, don't engage me if it's causing you too much angst.

Wyatt Diaz
Wyatt Diaz

Bwahahahahhahahahahahahha you faggots are a bunch of pussies.

Juan Miller
Juan Miller

you accuse communism of being unable to fulfill a need you can't even explain, and now it's my fault for calling it a confused criticism. you know what i'm out of here good night

Jason Barnes
Jason Barnes

When did I try to explain it? When did you ask me to?
Good night.

Hunter Diaz
Hunter Diaz

if he knew what he was talking about he would know that those 2 are the exact same fucking thing.
The fuck? Anarchism is NO government. Libertarianism is limited government. Are you literally retarded?

Oliver Nguyen
Oliver Nguyen

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_anarchism

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

Why the fuck are you taking anything in that seriously. The whole manifesto's purpose is to create discourse. Almost nothing in it is real.

Evan Jenkins
Evan Jenkins

"Libertarian" was stolen by the rightwing propertarians from anarchists.

Ryder Lewis
Ryder Lewis

No you ignorant morons. The word anarchy comes from Greek, meaning without (a, like atheist [a]theist, without a belief in god) rule or leadership. It was never 'hijacked'. The literal meaning of the word itself is "without rulers". Libertarianism in ANY form is not accurately described by that term. Just like any system of belief with at least one god is not "atheist".

James Myers
James Myers

Libertarianism (from Latin: libertas, meaning "freedom") is a collection of political philosophies and movements that uphold liberty as a core principle
If you can't figure out how this just as equally describes stateless anarchism then you're an idiot.

Joseph Kelly
Joseph Kelly

Could you at least read the wikipedia entry on this to learn how deeply wrong you are?
The first recorded use of the term libertarian was in 1789, when William Belsham wrote about libertarianism in the context of metaphysics.[13]

Libertarian came to mean an advocate or defender of liberty, especially in the political and social spheres, as early as 1796, when the London Packet printed on 12 February: "Lately marched out of the Prison at Bristol, 450 of the French Libertarians".[14] The word was again used in a political sense in 1802 in a short piece critiquing a poem by "the author of Gebir" and has since been used with this meaning.[15][16][17]

The use of the word libertarian to describe a new set of political positions has been traced to the French cognate libertaire, coined in a letter French libertarian communist Joseph Déjacque wrote to mutualist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in 1857.[18][19][20] Déjacque also used the term for his anarchist publication Le Libertaire: Journal du Mouvement Social, which was printed from 9 June 1858 to 4 February 1861 in New York City.[21][22]

In the mid-1890s, Sébastien Faure began publishing a new Le Libertaire while France's Third Republic enacted the lois scélérates ("villainous laws"), which banned anarchist publications in France. Libertarianism has frequently been used as a synonym for anarchism (libertarian socialism) since this time.[23][24][25]

The term libertarianism was first used in the United States as a synonym for classical liberalism in May 1955 by writer Dean Russell, a colleague of Leonard Read and a classical liberal himself.

Russell justified the choice of the word as follows: "Many of us call ourselves 'liberals.' And it is true that the word 'liberal' once described persons who respected the individual and feared the use of mass compulsions. But the leftists have now corrupted that once-proud term to identify themselves and their program of more government ownership of property and more controls over persons. As a result, those of us who believe in freedom must explain that when we call ourselves liberals, we mean liberals in the uncorrupted classical sense. At best, this is awkward and subject to misunderstanding. Here is a suggestion: Let those of us who love liberty trade-mark and reserve for our own use the good and honorable word 'libertarian'".[26]

Subsequently, a growing number of Americans with classical liberal beliefs began to describe themselves as libertarian. One person responsible for popularizing the term libertarian in this sense was Murray Rothbard,[27] who started publishing libertarian works in the 1960s. Rothbard describes this modern use of the words overtly as a "capture" from his enemies, saying that "for the first time in my memory, we, 'our side,' had captured a crucial word from the enemy. 'Libertarians' had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over".[12][11] Robert Nozick was responsible for popularizing this usage of the term in philosophical circles and Europe.

Liam Smith
Liam Smith

Libertarians like liberty
Anarchists like liberty
Therefore, libertarians are anarchists

Dogs have lungs
Bears have lungs
Therefore, dogs are bears

Kill yourself immediately.

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

I'm sorry but you are actually, literally, wrong.

Propertarians deliberately took the word "libertarian" for themselves and I see no reason to honor their blatant theft and intentional deception.

Brody Smith
Brody Smith

the origin of the word aside, when someone uses it in today's context they mean something like small state capitalism, not anarchy.

Levi Gray
Levi Gray

No, YOU read wikipedia.

"Anarchy refers to a society, entity, group of people, or a single person that rejects hierarchy.[1] The word originally meant 'leaderlessness', but in 1840 Pierre-Joseph Proudhon adopted the term in his treatise What Is Property? to refer to a new political philosophy: anarchism, which advocates stateless societies based on voluntary associations. "

"The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ἀναρχία (anarchia), which combines ἀ (a), "not, without" and ἀρχή (arkhi), "ruler, authority." Thus, the term refers to the state of a society being without authorities or an authoritative governing body."

The literal meaning of the word anarchy is not debatable. Just because you do not speak Greek does not mean that the term has somehow lost its original Greek meaning. You're just as bad as all those idiots using the term "homophobe" to describe people who HATE faggots but are not AFRAID of them.

You just argued that because two different things have one property in common, that those two things are the same. You have no room to be speaking. You're too stupid to be participating in this conversation.

Jason Hughes
Jason Hughes

"Anarchism" still means "leaderlessness" and I quite happily agree with this definition.

The difference is that "libertarian" to mean "muh small gubbermint" is a far newer use of the word and has nothing to do with the socialist origin of the term.

Cameron Roberts
Cameron Roberts

yikes
/pol/'s conception as itself as some kind of descendent of any desirable lineage of e-history is pathetic. furries unironically have a more impressive history, and even they were completely irredeemable before the encyclopediadramatica reading scrote behind this anime-girl-reaction-image'd post was born.
imageboards will poison your mind.

Thomas Robinson
Thomas Robinson

furries unironically have a more impressive history
the natural leftypol position

Jose Allen
Jose Allen

The difference is that "libertarian" to mean "muh small gubbermint" is a far newer use of the word
So it is, in fact, the correct current usage of the word? Thanks for conceding the argument.

The fact remains: the word 'anarchism' does not accurately describe the political system referred to as "libertarianism" today. You can argue that libertarianism once described anarchism, but you cannot argue that anarchism once described libertarianism. And even if that's your position - well fine, but the word libertarianism is no longer synonymous with anarchism and it hasn't been at any point in your entire life.

Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

guys, this insane poltard who killed 50 people was just meming!
Nice damage control, dumbass. Funny how you're calling us all autists. Also who here is coopting university terminology, I've never heard of a professor venerating Stalin. Except the ultimate lad Furr of course

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

Weirdos that badgered the creators of Tiny Toons so much they abandoned the show actually is more impressive than whining about da j00z all day and putting racial slurs over Biggie Smalls beats. They're both equally pathetic but the furfags managed to reach higher levels of absurdity earlier in their existence.

Michael Lopez
Michael Lopez

the number one reason socialism is necessary is to destroy the political economy that made furries possible.
but let's not get sidetracked, the most important thing is that virgins don't know anything about usenet except 1993 by osmosis.

Nolan White
Nolan White

have you read the manifesto? it's packed with memes, as well as what was written on his guns and the music he was playing.

/pol/ coordinated an airstrike in Syria, more than you lot have ever contemplated

the number one reason socialism is necessary is to destroy the political economy that made furries possible.
i could get behind this

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

Ever heard of the one big US military base in Syria?

Camden Thomas
Camden Thomas

Why read Kierkegaard?
Trust me, its relevant in regard to existentialism, holding a value, and living it, especially with a lack of knowing if god exists or not.

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan

Zig Forums has had actual anons fighting in Syria.

Jace Jackson
Jace Jackson

reject higher or metaphysical truths
I hope you realize that the people who came up with this are literally dogwhistling for dogmatic mysticism.

Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

My father reads a lot of him, I will at some point.

we have veterans posting here
So does every board, and I'm sure T_D has hundreds, means fuck all.

Yep it's all meaningless and any thoughts otherwise are merely attempts to grab power.

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Thomas Morgan
Thomas Morgan

What is pretty shocking about this guy is that I think he pulled off the shooting a lot of people think about. A lot of /pol/ posters probably imagined something exactly like this. A manifesto with intentionally misdirecting language, casting blame on people arbitrarily for humor value, featuring an upfront thesis explaining exactly what intent is in black-and-white before writing a bunch of nonsense you know will be quoted out of context as ammunition by ideologues. A little something for everyone. Everyone's happy (or rather, happy to be angry) with what they feel is a silver bullet towards rivalries.

The same day, the government plans to disarm people further. The government begins to censor people. ISPs crack down on Internet access trying to find the videos. YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook especially have egg on their face. All of these platforms are going to promise to 'do more' and fuck over innocent people trying to enjoy the Internet. Sterilize things more. Make it less accessible.

The whole point is to make people hate each other, drive retaliatory action, give media exactly what they want so they frenzy over it, give platforms a reason to be even more advertiser friendly, all while turning the act of murder into nothing more than another meme with references to shit all his old Internet friends know and love already - because he was one of the boys, and there's a good chance he's probably read my posts. He posted on Zig Forums, we spoke the same language of stupid bullshit.

What he wanted to do was make the world a little bit worse than it was when he was free, and he accomplished that. Make the Internet such that it is no longer a pacifier in the mouths of tens of millions of adult children. Make things so fucking boring that getting up, going out, and killing people is more entertaining than spending another second on Twitter dot fucking com.

Brayden King
Brayden King

tl;dr:

DEHUMANIZE YOURSELF AND FACE TO BLOODSHED
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Wyatt Bennett
Wyatt Bennett

I think the thing that was most sobering to me was listening to Initial D and "God is a Serb" like so many /k/ and /pol/ memesters. This isn't the Dylan Roof or synagogue shooter who took it all seriously and took /pol/ at face value. This is was a pretty normal dude, who lived surrounded by these harmless Yugo turbofolk and remove kebab memes, and just said fuck it, and shot the shit out of some muzzies for the express purpose of being an asshole and making more memes. It's sobering that this could've been any one of millions of other military-aged-males that behave this way. This guy isn't crazy. He isn't deluded. He isn't mentally ill. this guy is totally coherent and pretty fucking normal, which just further drives home the point that this has become the new normal. Political violence and mass murder for fucking memes is now a part of our political discourse.

Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

This is a perfect example of why censoring the manifesto is a bad idea. Without seeing this passage I totally fell for the "the manifesto is all irony" meme, but it's clear that it was sincere. I think censoring the manifesto has allowed the fascists who actually read it to control the conversation.

William Torres
William Torres

/sg/ seems to be very leftist and based

Gavin Harris
Gavin Harris

Zig Forums has had actual anons fighting in Syria.

who?

Jason Jones
Jason Jones

The failson in question literally studied industrial management at university. If anything screams unproductive parasitism then it is it. Did he learn anything about

hotcoursesabroad.com/study/course/sweden/bachelor-of-science-major-industrial-engineering-and-management-sustainable-supply-chain-management/56551486/program.html?nationCode=47&nationCntryCode=47

several courses are offered including material flows, operations and quality management, purchasing, distribution and retail, as well as business relationships. Moreover, the programme contains multiple courses and course modules which develop your entrepreneurial and leadership skills, from forming ideas to business planning, project management, as well as group dynamics.

As opposed to 5 semesters of Calculus, 2 semesters of linear algebra, then some numerical methods. And this all to have a solid understanding of mathematical methods used in actual engineering.

Engineering is used mostly in vain to gain some social mobility. Courses like what the PewDiePie took serve only to make it possible that underachieving failsons could in future inherit the business/factory/agricultural production, and not be an utterly incompetent in running it.

tl;dr: A perfect candidate to adopt a fascist political conviction due to his material interests and background.

Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

Egoism is pretty solipsistic
Confirmed for brainlet. Actually read Stirner before talking about something you know nothing about.
higher or metaphysical truths
lol get a load of this spooked up cuck
wrong, it comes an an- meaning without, and -archos, meaning leader. Libertarianism was a term coined by a french anarchist in his newspapers, Murray Rothbard appropriated the term. Learn history, dumbass.
Libertarian was coined by this guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Déjacque

Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

Anyone know which page of his manifesto this was on?

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Brody Rodriguez
Brody Rodriguez

The same day, the government plans to disarm people further. The government begins to censor people. ISPs crack down on Internet access trying to find the videos. YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook especially have egg on their face. All of these platforms are going to promise to 'do more' and fuck over innocent people trying to enjoy the Internet. Sterilize things more. Make it less accessible.
This is a very modernist paranoia in a postmodern age. Frankly, the greatest paranoia we should have is not fear of censorship of individuals and platforms, who in aggregate have their minds blended up by the dopamine induction nightmares of the centralised internet, but fear of censorship of pirated content from the past. Fear of them removing the cheap and easy alternative to our current hellscape. with the great irony, of course, that much of that media is simply pre-internet postmodern era content.

An appropriate government reaction to this would take a sledgehammer to the detritus factories of the modern internet and lead us to the promised land of neo-geocities. Of course that's inadvertent - your assessment of his intent to be horrible is entirely on the money, but things never go exactly as intended. Imagine a world without facebook, twitter, 95% of subreddits, and youtubers who do it as more than a hobby. The meme factory element of the modern internet is a detour towards any of the positive purposes the technology could be used for. It's the unhappy market equilibrium point that intervention is required to free us from, however inadvertently.
It would be a great poetic irony if the boomers who simply do not get it were to free us from ourselves.

Lincoln Bailey
Lincoln Bailey

killing religious people is textbook anarschism tho

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

This was posted unironically on /r9k/, which means that is also posted on /pol/ too. To me it indicates that they realize that they are going to lose and are retreating back into full fantasy.

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Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

Hate is just as injurious to the hater as it is to the hated. Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Many of our inner conflicts are rooted in hate. This is why psychiatrists say, “Love or perish.” Hate is too great a burden to bear.

Ayden Williams
Ayden Williams

Is anyone just fucking bummed out by all of this? It just depresses me that just because a bunch of dumb stormfags decided to raid 4chan back in 2012 we now have a shit load of young people on the internet that think the world is over so they resort either to nihilism, suicide, mass shootings, or some combination of the three.

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

Looks like a NZ fascist group shut down today because of the shooting (and the realization that they're going to be hated and searched by the feds no doubt)
Also a molymeme/Lauren southern lecture got cancelled in Vancouver because of the shooting as well.

Jordan Ross
Jordan Ross

middle aged, not old

Henry Parker
Henry Parker

<hurr, yeah, ya know I transitioned from top left to bottom left, to bottom right, to top right - *the usual*

Ian Green
Ian Green

This is what annoys me the most about his stans. Lile if he was just hanging out with H3H3 and Joe Rogan or something id completely get people saying 'he isn't political' but he has fucking hardcore pundits association.

Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

The far right is literally going through it's 'New Left' phase. If anything the future is completely collapse of the right as a firce for at least 20 years.

Lincoln Hughes
Lincoln Hughes

nihilism
Lad, have you ever talked to an Christcom?

Jeremiah Rodriguez
Jeremiah Rodriguez

Egoism is pretty solipsistic.
At least pretend you've read Stirner jesus

Sebastian Russell
Sebastian Russell

He didn't say he hates Jews or "address the jq" as /pol/ has been sperging about all day. That's the biggest "joke" in the whole thing.

Jayden Baker
Jayden Baker

youtu.be/BOfgJXfISYk

It's like Christchurch is just some center of a space-time anomaly - around which completely ordinary guys just can't help it, and proceed to edgelord stormfaggotry into everyday things for some reason.

Christopher Mitchell
Christopher Mitchell

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