The shooter claimed the following:

Seriously? You don't listen to demons user. They don't care about truth. They just want to spread despair.

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Pick one.

I would rather not turn a blind eye to a problem that's facing the left right now.

literally the whole manifesto is ironically written peak Zig Forums shit. He was most likely never really communist.

What he meant by this is that he enjoyed windowshopping for ideologies. Even at his final destination of schizo-fascism he has no consistent theoretical understanding of it. That picture in his manifesto that says "anti-imperialism" is part of ultra-reactionary politics? These "people" take great pleasure in US-led looting of the world.

The whole "I used to be a leftist but then I became a Nazi because…" is such a common Zig Forums lie dude. What they mean usually is that they were American right liberals but then became racist. It's not a left wing problem. It's a liberal one.

i didn't know liberal journos posted on Zig Forums these days

I don't think so, Varg made a video about communism were he said Karl Marx was a cool dude and that corporatism is destroying the world and shit. Varg is actually pretty "woke" about a lot of issues, but he just has to tack "muh heritage, the jews" onto the end of everything.

youtube.com/watch?v=RdyfIOK3ZXQ
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this why idpol is cancer, so many great potential revolutionaries are ruined by turning their efforts towards racist nonsense

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The guy was a group thinking idiot that was radicalised by going down a rabbit hole of hatred. He didn't look at anything from any other perspective, he was just full bent on killing the "invader" which is just fucking stupid. The problems of the world cant just be as black and white as that. Fucking idiot that deserves a bullet, him and all the other "eco-fascist" retards that exist around the world. People like this have the brains of a child.

I can almost guarantee that he has some incredibly vulgar (if not entirely incorrect) idea of what communism and anarchism are.

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How can you go from an anarchist to a bootlicker facist?

Ideological window-shopping.

By either lying or by being a suburbanite who is also racist.

By having zero understanding of any anarchist theory and just LARPING as le edgy punk mommy issues anarchist.

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Bullshit. He was an anglofag, when he says "communism" he means "when the government does stuff" and by "anarchist" he means "fuck u mom & dad", he's not using the actual definitions that we use. You can infer this by the fact that he claims he was an anarchist and then became a libertarian: if he knew what he was talking about he would know that those 2 are the exact same fucking thing.

REMEMBER: POLITICAL ILLITERACY PLAGUES THE ANGLOSPHERE, NOT JUST THE BURGERMUTTS

Bullshit, there's only one definition.

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lol okay do you want to talk about how spyro the dragon radicalized him too?
these demons are liars user.

This. Anglosphere politics have the most spectacle-focused politics because they form the bulk of the imperial core.

I keep seeing people say this but I dont see that at all. It looks extremely sincere to me.

are you serious? the whole thing is filled with ironic speech. meme copy paste and other absurd non-sense. all by design to mislead and illude.

Why the fuck do you retards all take him in good faith and believe he actually thought of himself as having had some ideological journey but just had a shallow or incorrect understanding. I swear the left is fucking autistically pure minded sometimes. RIGHTARDS LIE. How many times does it take before you stop taking them at their word? How many times does it take before you stop letting them frame the discussion and present themselves to you and the world in the way THEY WANT TO BE SEEN.

Also almost all of them are settler colonial countries.

Yes, because your average American liberal self-identifies as an anarchist and a communist, and the average nazi knows shit about the means of production.

He knows what actual socialism means, so I wouldn't be surprised if he knew what communism and anarchism was too. See

How do we stop them in the first place? That's why I made this thread.

And he gave the correct definition. He probably meant "depends" because Americans are dumb and think "socialists = liberals". I can't blame him for that.

We know this isn't true because he knows what socialism actually means here

You know damn well he meant the American kind of "libertarianism".

He was being sarcastic about the video games. See

Bingo.
Basically imagine what Israel will be like in 100 years when all the Palestinians are dead. That's the Anglosphere.

It has always been "a problem" though. In the 1920s and early 30s there were KPD members who joined the NSDAP and vice-versa.

Also, a lot of people join "extreme" ideologies for personal reasons. Quite a few students in the 1960s-70s got involved in leftism to find someone to have sex with.

A lot of ex-leftists-turned-anti-communists often had "bad experiences" that touched off their move to the right. Jay Lovestone briefly headed the Communist Party of the United States until he was denounced by Stalin, whereupon he spent a decade in political limbo until he decided to travel the world on behalf of the CIA to fight communist influence in trade unions.

Eldridge Cleaver denounced Huey Newton as a "revisionist" and insisted that the BPP should prepare for guerrilla warfare against the US government. When the American left largely sided with Newton over him, he felt betrayed, all lonely in Algerian and French exile. Then he had a vision while looking at the moon one night, and became a born again Christian and right-winger.

David Horowitz went from the author of The Free World Colossus (a popular left critique of US foreign policy back in the day) to "argh Barack Obama is a crypto-Marxist"-tier analysis because he had a falling out with the Black Panthers.

There will always be people who join the communist or anarchist movement and leave it. Hell, if you look at the founders of communist parties there are quite a few who reverted to social-democracy or became reactionary renegades.

It's just how movements work. It's of course important to address people who are having personal problems that the right might exploit, but that this guy claims to be an ex-communist and ex-anarchist isn't some forbidding development. Mussolini himself was formerly editor of the Italian Socialist Party's main newspaper.

It's very likely he doesn't really know what communism or anarchism really are. Consider the millions of liberals who consider themselves socialists because they support medicare for all.

Literal death to idpol.

I was alerted to someone in my area posting memes like this (extreme neo-Nazi / mass shooter worship), so I along with others monitored him. He then switched everything on a dime to far-left radicalism, communist stuff, one big US military base in Syria, etc. and then began to LARP as a Kurdish militant. He also followed a bunch of socialist / left groups in town including my own, so we went to stage 2 and took on security precautions. He then deleted everything and vanished.

I don't know if he was trolling or what, or adopting some kind of entryist plot or was looking for attack opportunities, but it didn't really matter. I think what happens is that some people are just in it for the violence and the left doesn't accept them (usually) while the far right does. What's the solution? Hell if I know. Arm yourself and be afraid.

Shoved into a mental hospital to be studied.

I see it like evangelical Protestant churches where every pastor has an origin story of "I used to be in rave scene every night and saw the bodies pile up every night when other no-good druggies like me had 'death orgies' to Satan!" It's made up but scares their audiences and serves an ideological purpose.

He's trolling, don't take anything he said for real.

He might have been a fed. Sounds like agent provocateur/honeypot shit.

yeah soomethings telling me he knows shit about any of those

How? These pwople are the only people who are consistently against the war

He included """socialism""" in his manifesto to help the media use his attack to censor actual socialists.
He's deliberately encouraging horseshoe theory to smear us.

Based on his manifesto, he sounds completely deluded and mentally ill. I don't know, I'm not a shrink of course, but it seems to me like there is some serious dissociation going on. Even ignoring the rotten, sociopathic brutality of driving over a crawling, injured person begging for their life, just look at the infantile memes like "subscribe to pewdiepie" before he started his shooting. If he ever was a communist, he was a bad one at that. His reasoning is decidedly un-Marxist, no good communist can go from materialist reasoning and analysis to this subjective feelings=reality garbage that his entire manifesto is.

Another thing that I find particularly curious, the shooter writes that he was in contact with the organization that Norwegian child mass-murderer Breivik claimed to be part of, the Knights Templar or some such garbage:

There exists not iota of evidence that such an organization exists, not an iota. It simply does not exist outside the sad delusions of the mentally deranged Breivik and his roleplaying fantasies. Yet the shooter references the organization, and not like some sort of abstract way, but as a concrete organization with a structure. He is clearly lying. But it's such an outrageously ridiculous lie.

Here is the manifesto if anyone hasn't yet seen this garbage: documentcloud.org/documents/5770516-The-Great-Replacement-New-Zealand-Shooter.html

how do i into anarchist theory

If that's his goal why not say hes a communist antifa and against all religion

I was once an egalitarian leftist also, then converted to traditionalism, nativism and white nationalism.

I'm fiscally liberal, while actually reactionary, yet I'm placed on the political spectrum near socialists.

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Because no one would believe that, he would be denounced by his fellow Zig Forumsyps while he wants to be a martyr and it would be discovered he's actually a Zig Forumsyp within a day and the general lesson the public and media would take is 'nazi mass murderer trying to smear the left by false flagging' instead of 'nazis are actually left wing and conservatives are good boys who nazis hate'

drop trad, nativism whatever the fuck that means and white nationalism, also liberalism and be only communist

Look, I won't waste my time explaining this to you, it is inevitable. You will see this causal connection the moment you take the blinders off. Marx's theories were not only descriptive, but predictive; and when the world around us fails to provide the "inevitable" and satisfying outcomes he preached, there are very few alternative conclusions to arrive at.

It's a pretty simple progression really that a huge amount of right-wingers have gone through, whether they were originally lefty or liberatarian.
Idealistic -> Realistic

i think i know about this marx fella, he said shoot people for no reason right?

Yeah and if he wasn't an idiot he would know that that isn't what actual libertarianism is, so it's confusing why he might get one term correct and not the other. It's possible he could've also meant the "social darwinist" misunderstanding of anarchism. Ultimately we don't know. It seems strange why he would say "depends" in an attempt to differentiate what liberals think socialism is from actual socialism and then not do the exact same nuance with libertarianism. Also: the shooter, Brenton Tarrant, is a Cunt (Australian native) so it seems odd why he would use the Amerifag version of "libertarianism."

In the meantime, If the mods will please allow this, I'll post some evidence I was able to scrape off several threads before deletion.
(Some advice: during HAPPENINGS, timing is everything, browse thru threads quickly and keep 'auto-update thread' on; quickly scan thru threads looking for links, pics, and videos, and save them before they get deleted, you always have time to browse the threads and archive them later; if the thread gets purged, you'll still have it on your screen, so take screencaps before you close your tabs; the prime boards to check for the relevent threads include the popular boards such as /v/, /b/, Zig Forums, Zig Forums, etc.; The most important thing you can do is archive/screencap the original thread where the announcement was posted.)

Attachments related: photos of Brenton Tarrant & his Memefesto (Haven't read it yet, myself)
Original thread: archive.fo/G04Xx
His twitter: archive.fo/TuT4U

I have the entire livestreamed video (16 minutes long, .mp4 format, file size too large to post) and also a video (taken by a civilian) of the aftermath where wounded survivors are taking refuge. If mods will allow it without me getting b&, I could upload them somewhere if you need them.

Start here: theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

Fuck off, already.

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you mean
material -> emotional

All these different flavors of fascism are just ideological window dressing to cover up the fact you have no theory and are just choosing your politics according to what makes you feel good. You are not "near socialists" on the political spectrum and you should get off the internet and read some books

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I like how all of these fascists are just obvious amerifats or anglosphere fucktards. They are not taking the end of empire well at all.

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he looks irishian from irishland

To be fair, is there any other version of it in Australia? To my knowledge libertarian ideologues have spent the past few decades trying to export their ideology to other countries. Obviously with limited success, but still.

Anyone who does this was never a leftist to begin with.Talk to one of these "I USED TO BE A COMMIE :DDDD" types about theory and you realize that they don't know shit.

Thanks for the informative post.

I can understand social-democracy, but reactionaries? I find that difficult to believe. Is that really true?

Sure.

That sounds to me like someone insecure in search for a sense of belonging.

He knows what socialism actually means.

Yeah, this really
What you are saying is pretty far-fetched.

Sure, I don't think anyone is denying that.

Well, that's obvious, he stopped being a communist.

Had no idea about the organization by the way, that's pretty weird.

I'm pretty sure something like Fox would broadcast that version of the story and many would believe that. It's just a far-fetched conclusion, and I wouldn't take any of his ideas to have enough depth to attempt something like that.

wew

I don't know where you are from, but in most European and American countries when you say you are a Libertarian people assume you are the right wing kind.

My point of view he said "depends" because Americans think that "liberals = socialists" (which he knows he's not a liberal).

He said he was irish/english/scottish, iirc
Doesn't really matter anyways.

Come on, that's just lame. The idea that people can be commies once and then not doesn't invalidate them being commies on the first place. Now, was this guy actually a commie? I don't know, but saying he wasn't because of meaningless blanket statements like yours would be a mistake.

look up grenade attacks in sweden

watch this post mysteriously disappear soon

The slaughter of our people will be met with the complete annihilation of your people.

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How about you kill yourself instead?

Zig Forums is going to hoot about this for a while, memeing about LE ROPE DAY and other Nazi masturbation fantasy shit without a single one of them leaving their basements. This will serve only to give the right a bad name, and prove that at their core, fascists are just a bunch of thugs.

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sorry no muslim here go away

1) He's fucking bullshitting, 95% of the manifesto was just to ironic poison to (attempt to) rile the media up.
2) If this is actually earnest(it's not), he was probably a "I liked the cool USSR aesthetics and music". Any leftist with a brain would have figured out long ago that the vitriol against muslims is just to find a scapegoat to split the proletariat so they stop getting mad about capitalism.

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You guys do realize that actual Europeans don't even buy that whole pan-white identity schtick right? It's a settler thing. Ironically enough the only institution that might adopt that kind of idpol eventually (the EU) is openly despised by far rightists. You are shilling for a death cult, nothing more.

Well among the founders of the American communist parties in 1919 you had Louis C. Fraina (whom historian Theodore Draper wrote "did more than anyone else to make possible the formation of the American Communist movement in 1919") end up as a liberal anti-communist, the aforementioned Lovestone end up the same way, Ben Gitlow (conservative anti-communist), Bertram Wolfe (ditto), Max Eastman (ditto), etc.

I can't think of any who became fascists, but Gitlow became a stereotypical Christian crusader against the global communist menace.

I'm sure many other communist parties had similar figures who, at the height of revolutionary enthusiasm, joined forces with others to set up said parties but later became disillusioned or turned opportunist.

Per this logic, Islamist violence is excused because it's a response to U.S. bombs doing the same to them. You are a fucking retard ideologue, a fucking pawn. Kindly kill yourself.

I'm generalizing heavily, but from experience I can tell you it's most likely that. Never understood the theory, probably never actually believed in it.

People like this are super alienated and are likely looking for a sense of "community" in their lives, so they just try on political stances like hats without ever actually understanding them.

Reactionary politics are usually the perfect fit for people like this, since it's so based on raw emotion.

This. The shooter is trying to create political disorder by claiming everything from Pewdiepie to communism because he knows retards and the media will eat it up and make silly connections.

You probably don't want that since this board is unironically whiter that Zig Forums.

Was a reply to

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

And how many self-described communists today actually understand theory? I know for a fact that a lot of Zig Forums doesn't know any theory, will barely have even read the manifesto, and will just shitpost on twitter or 4chan.
My issue here is you simply cherrypicking "who is and who is not a communist". How can we even know going by your logic?

This is most likely the case, but the statement you made before still bothers me.

I don't think he had any plans when he said the pewdiepie thing to be honest. It just seemed like an IRL shitpost.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Australia)
Oh Christ, the Americancer is metastasizing.

Burger here, but when I asked my friends from Germany, Switzerland, Norway, etc. about the definition of libertarianism they usually correctly identify it as anarchism or describe it as such, not the 'muh small gubberminet abolish minimum wage what if the child consents tho? :DDD' amerifag version.
Even if he was it would have to be an entry-level, theorylet, booklet understanding. Just because you can describe it doesn't mean you understand it. Just because you can describe what snowking is doesn't mean you understand how snow works, and the processes behind it, etc.

This isn't some "No true communist" fallacy in an attempt to distance ourselves because we don't want to be associated with a psychopath; The point of the matter is that leftwing theory, rooted in materialism, is such an advanced understanding that eventually you progress (assuming you did the reading and understand it) to a point where going back is basically impossible. For example, it was believed in older times that pests such as bugs and rats were formed from rotten grain, garbage, dust, etc., but after an understanding of biological processes we now know that they reproduce just like any animal. If you start by thinking the former is true, and then, after reading (and understanding) basic biology, you realize that the latter is actually true, you can't go back to believing they're formed from garbage again. Because you have an advanced understanding in such that you know it isn't true.

Leftwing theory works the same way. After you realize the capitalist and prole class distinction, modes of production, material conditions, historical progression, etc. you can't really go back to belieivng muh ancient worldwide jewish conspiracy and muslims are the cause of all society's ills, because you know it isn't true. The argument being made here is that even if he was a communist at one point, he was a brainlet who probably liked the endgoal of communism, but didn't do any reading of how the process works.

Every day I wake up I thank the Holy Trinity of Marx, Kropotkin, and Saint Max that I didn't become a nazifag.

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I'm pretty sure he's lying.

We're not going to find anything new (content wise) in this manifesto lads. It's far more interesting/disturbing to see literal memes be touted as ideology and theory. This, for me, is the scary development in the manifesto at least

I agree. In some ways the memes (like "subscribe to pewdiepie" before starting his slaughter) are more sociopathic than the brutality of the slaughter itself.

he was most likely a "communist" in the sense that he was vaguely anti-corporation and an "anarchist" in the sense that he just didn't like authority, then settled on "eco-fascism" because nihilistic memery

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Memes really are important for propaganda I guess. Rafiq just got BTFO.

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The Roo gives his hot take on the incident and the perpetrator:
maoistrebelnews.com/2019/03/15/the-new-zealand-shooter-and-his-ideology/

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jfc m8 can you make your shit more digestible? i can only handle 2 sargons worth of content at most.

What kind of a retard would even include that "question" in the manifesto. It just shows you how completely fucking infantile the shooter is.

Why do so many people go from libertarian to fascist?

Ayyy, Pewdiepie's reddit subs are locked. Let's use this shit to take down channels.

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I'm actually thinking of writing an effortpost about this, though I don't know very much about memetics or "affective economies" which has increasing currency in crit lit. Jameson and Fisher both have long written about the distant and ironic-gaze of late capital, and its alienating effects. Zizek seems to talk about virtually the same thing when he talks about ideological cynicism. But I don't think anything has really been said about the material effects of irony, particularly in context of the alt-right and irony's militarization.

I imagine it's too hopeful of me to assume that this is going to be PewDiePie's rude awakening and he's going to change as a person. I like to think he's just clueless, but I'm probably wrong about that.

American style libertarians are almost always fascists in disguise. The "weed, guns, and gay stuff" types are surprisingly few and far between. Most are white supremacists who falsely believe that a smaller government will mean less minorities because there would be no welfare or affirmative action. They only need a little push to go full fash.

The right is 100% going to try to use the horse shoe theory on this shit though

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he's trying to get headlines written about him by saying absurd shit e.g.
probably for all the fun Zig Forums reaction threads

Are they not already?

isn't that what Mussolini did?

Mussolini went fash for cash mostly. He was a massive opportunist.

most important comment. what kind of post-politics world are we in now where people are using meme images during a mass shooting to signal rebellion?

Both are people who think society is totally fucked (unlike most liberals, who generally think society is mostly ok and we just need some reforms), but they also think capitalism isn't bad and that the real problem is that the wrong capitalists (statists or Jews) are in charge.