Are Maoist-Third Worldists allowed to post here? I got banned from of all the leftist subreddits for my views. I just don't believe first world revolution is possible
Are Maoist-Third Worldists allowed to post here? I got banned from of all the leftist subreddits for my views...
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Welcome!
Welcome to the board, comrade. There are all kinds here, and discussion is encouraged as opposed to banning people for saying "stupid" and suchlike.
Welcome, all leftists are allowed here. Are you familiar with Comrade Rashid Johnson's critique of third worldism?
It is a long read but I would love to talk about it.
Read Hegel. His political philosophy debunks "third worldism" quite nicely.
lol
Can't pose an argument?
Hegel's philosophy explains everything. Try critiquing it. Protip: you can't.
Fuck off AW
Try making an argument first. "read Hegel, it'll affirm my position" is not an argument.
>>>Zig Forums
Purging fascists from our movement is not sectarian.
Based.
You're right. Here you get banned for wrongthink and supporting one big US military base in Syria.
This
Go to leftpol where Nazis post freely and you can shit on Assad for "authoritarianism"
Why you would be a third worldist when France is clearly about to fall I have no idea
His article where he BTFO's rue is based to
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History is linear. Any system will maintain the elements of the system which came before it. So why assume the Third World will be successful in socialism? Every third world socialist movement failed and became capitalist for a reason.
Marxist third worldism is largely correct but tends to offend western leftists which is why they so often ban it from their sites. Zig Forums allows third worldism to a point so you should be find.
Are they actually, though?
The middle class owns property, owns investments, owns productive assets (vehicles, tools, ect), and spends a lot of their productive years not working for wages (they don't work through college and they don't work after retirement). Seems like they are quite similar to petty bourg. They just don't employ anyone directly - and even then, is the middle class dream not to become petty bourg anyway and start a small business?
Congratulations, you understand how time works.
Okay, I assume you're referencing a paragraph from Critique of the Gotha Program, which merely states that the new order will be stamped with the birthmarks of the old society, and the new fundamental structure of society will eventually transcend these birthmarks.
By your asinine logic nothing can ever change because everything is the same as the thing before it. Why single out third world countries? How could socialism succeed anywhere?
These are always endangered though.
The second something messes up the economy all these comforts go out the window. It's also worth noting the middle class is a broad umbrella that includes near petite bourg to construction workers who have a challenging life.
business?
Everybody but trumptards acknowledges the American dream is dead and shills socdem. Republicans have been known to increase welfare when needed.
Havent seen this this is great lmao
This applies to the petite bourg as well, though. Most small businesses fail within the first year, and during economic crashes even moderately well off businesses will go bust. The fact that their lives are precarious does not preclude them from being petite bourg
It's important to clarify what EXACTLY we mean when we talk about the middle class. Someone who has a middle income isn't necessarily middle class. It's those other things I mentioned: owning property, owning investments, owning productive assets, college, retirement, ect that make someone middle class. It's the bourgeoisification, itself, that transforms someone from working class to middle class. Working under that definition, the middle class can at least be considered adjacent to the petite bourg
It's worth noting that Trumptards are overwhelmingly middle class.
That doesn't mean the middle class is overwhelmingly pro Trump
The petite bourg are people like my estranged significantly wealthier family members on my mothers side who own a small construction business and hire workers and create offspring to serve in the little clan. It's safe to say they weren't touched by the recession.
It's fucking impossible to create a small business without having a stereotypical kike kulak family when you're surrounded by Amazon and Walmart and that's why they now die in a year.
Welcome, user. First world is on track to becoming third world for most proles in 60 - 100 years anyway, and that's what I think might spur on revolution.
How do you define first world and third world economically
That's not an argument against the fact that first worlders do tend to unknowingly "share in the spoils taken by the Imperialists from the Third World" (which is actually an old idea from Marxist-Leninist theory regarding labour aristocracy and imperialism), but rather is an ad hominem against Jason Unruhe. Jason could be a serial killer, rapist, and slave owner, that doesn't make prove his critique of first worldism (specifically, attempts at "socialism" or revolution in a first world country that benefits from imperialism and more recently finance/rentier capitalism) wrong, just as Engels being wealthy doesn't prove his critique of capitalism wrong.
No, the middle class IS overwhelmingly liberal though. Some are liberal conservatives, some are liberal progressives, but they're all liberals. The middle class has no revolutionary potential.
The petite bourg are also people like my friend from hs who inherited a failing business from his dad and had to sell half of it to pay off accumulated debts. When the next crisis comes he'll probably be wiped out, if his business even makes it that long. The fact that these people can experience some form hardship doesn't negate their class status.
That, and small business owners are fucking stupid. Ever watch Bar Rescue or Kitchen Nightmares or Hotel Hell any of those shows about failing businesses? Highly recommended. Perhaps some of their struggle comes from competing with big business, but a lot of it comes from being retarded and entitled pieces of shit. The fact that some these people managed to get into a position to even open a business in the first place is an indictment of capitalism.
This is why prols shouldn't start business
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They're more likely not to fail
That excerpt isnt meant to be an argument it's just an insult. Read the source it articulates the point very well.
I'm an unironic first worldist
Socialism is impossible in a backwater state and will inevitably slide back into despotism or at best fail to keep pace in living standards, prove me wrong
Not really. The true advantage the failsons have is that they can just try again after their first business fails.
Which is why they're less likely to fail
it's no mystery that Third Worldism attracts autistic NEETs like flies to shit. Just because you can't enlighten people it doesn't mean the rest of us have to humor your incessant nay-saying so you can self-confirm your inert couch potato lifestyle with the rest of your extremely online friends. Luckily when Wall Street collapses and the mobs are out carrying pitchforks the fatasses will be the first to go, and good riddance. the fact that spawns of such unhealthy body and mind are able to roam freeing spreading their negativity plague across the World Wide Web is a testament to the lowest most pathetic levels of complacency so prevalent in our species.
The roo isn't a NEET though.
Can we stop allowing goonshit terminology into our chan board? Thanks.
Can we stop pretending like internet "communities" exist? All of the internet is the same. You aren't better than goons, or redditors, or youtubers. It's all the same internet, all the same people, the only difference is how the posts are arranged.
Nah, my mother was technically a small business owner (with only two employees) and her business got totally fucked by the recession. Now she's a proletarian again.
I didn't pay an entry fee to use this board, so no, I am better than goons.
Caleb Maupin says third worldists think like incels
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The USSR held out for a while. The reasons places like Cuba easily go to shit is because they don't really have the ressources to fully stand on their own, and every capitalist state around is out to kill them.
Why are vulgar materialists so fucking stupid they don't know that different stratums of working classes have different interests.
This is mainly because most of Zig Forums comes from professional class households and don't understand that it is their class that collaborates with the capitalist classes to immiserate the working poor. Gentrification is spearheaded in the interest of the same professionals that populate this board and continues to put demographics that should be allies against one another.
Instead of banding together with their natural class allies the "middle classes" will vapidly overconsume us into extinction.
Find me ONE SINGLE FLAW in Hegel's philosophical system without resorting to appeals to emotion.
So I'm guilty because my parents taught me to read a fuckin book? My family was always broke as shit but since they made sure I got an education that means I'm middle class.
Just look around you. The west is straight up going fascist while the rest of the world is moving on without them under China's socialist leadership.
China is doing imperialist shit on Africa tho?
In what sense is it linear? :DD
So it's more like non-markovian? :DDD I don't see linearity here, sorry X-DDDDD