hey. quick question. I'm not very well-versed in these things so sorry if my question is too dumb. Is it correct to say anarchism is closer to neo liberalism than to communism? I usually see communism and anarchism mentioned together as if they're similar but isn't anarchism looking to abolish state and communism looking to empower it to a degree when it's controlling most things? Cause by this logic it seems to me that they're actually the opposite of each other.
Hey. quick question. I'm not very well-versed in these things so sorry if my question is too dumb...
Benjamin Campbell
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Wyatt Russell
Both anarchism and communism seek to abolish the state but by different methods.
Carson Turner
only if you're a radlib not ready for CNT death squads
Ethan Rogers
Please go read some theory.
Neither of them are close to neo liberalism and anarchism is just a meme
Adam Bell
Liberalism means the furthering of the capitalism state through economic deregulation.
Anarchism means a society without governemental authority.
Communism means an anarchist society, without classes and without money (as opposed to say, anarcho-capitalism).
Socialism means achieving communism through different political theories, often include a centralized state, can be either planned or market-oriented.
Jordan Morales
wouldn't anarchism typically go to Capitalism though?
Daniel Perry
Only in communist society, when the resistance of the capitalists have disappeared, when there are no classes (i.e., when there is no distinction between the members of society as regards their relation to the social means of production), only then "the state… ceases to exist", and "it becomes possible to speak of freedom". Only then will a truly complete democracy become possible and be realized, a democracy without any exceptions whatever. And only then will democracy begin to wither away, owing to the simple fact that, freed from capitalist slavery, from the untold horrors, savagery, absurdities, and infamies of capitalist exploitation, people will gradually become accustomed to observing the elementary rules of social intercourse that have been known for centuries and repeated for thousands of years in all copy-book maxims. They will become accustomed to observing them without force, without coercion, without subordination, without the special apparatus for coercion called the state.
The expression "the state withers away" is very well-chosen, for it indicates both the gradual and the spontaneous nature of the process. Only habit can, and undoubtedly will, have such an effect; for we see around us on millions of occassions how readily people become accustomed to observing the necessary rules of social intercourse when there is no exploitation, when there is nothing that arouses indignation, evokes protest and revolt, and creates the need for suppression.
And so in capitalist society we have a democracy that is curtailed, wretched, false, a democracy only for the rich, for the minority. The dictatorship of the proletariat, the period of transition to communism, will for the first time create democracy for the people, for the majority, along with the necessary suppression of the exploiters, of the minority. Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy, and the more complete it is, the sooner it will become unnecessary and wither away of its own accord.
Joshua King
Often not, most anarchists are calling for a society without capital (Anarcho-Communists/red and black flags).
Elijah Peterson
So does that mean socialism is a mean to get to communism and that the Soviet Union was a socialist country (rather than communist)?
again sorry if my question is too dumb
Noah Wood
meant for
Mason Cox
You might be confusing market economy and capitalism, thoses are not the same thing, you can have an anarchist market-economy without private property, like Proudon's mutualism.
Jaxon Bennett
Yes.
Some people might say "The USSR wasn't real communism", this means the way the USSR state planed to reach communism through their brand of socialism (Leninism and planned economy) was not universally acknowledged has being the best or most efficient, but the underlying goals are the same for all communists.
Oliver Garcia
Pretty much. This chapter should help with clearing up confusion about the distinction between socialism and communism (known in Marx's time as the lower and higher stages of communism instead): marxists.org
Ian Wood
How the fuck is anarchism even close to neoliberalism? How are Friedman and Reagan comparable to Bakunin and Makhno?
Brandon Ross
Lenin or stalin wrote somewhere that while the soviet government was currently the model for revolutionary movements to follow, when a more advanced society like Britain or France had a succesful revolution, their way of organization would become the new model.
Noah Rivera
then how come some people identify as socialists? if the end goal is communism aren't they communists as well?
Jason Jackson
It's for either two reasons:
1. They're scared of calling themselves communists and by doing so scaring other people into supporting them
Or
2. They're reformists/demsocs and while they may want to implement socialist policies (such as workers' self management, nationalization of all private property, etc) they aren't really for abolishing the state, money, shit like that.
Gabriel Johnson
*Into not supporting them
Andrew Rogers
Advocating for "Socialism" but not for "Communism" usually makes you a Social-Democrat, which mean reforming the capitalist state by establishing social mesures (through taxation, thus redistribution of profits) and sometimes Keynesian economics.
John Diaz
Socialist is a broad term form anti-capitalist who want to reform the economic system and may not necessarily agree on the issue of state. A socdem like state with a socialist economy would be vastly different from communism.
Asher Perry
That depends on the context. Most times it's radical liberals and Socdems who claim to be socialists don't call themselves communists because they associate it with the bolsheviks
Angel Bailey
Woman has no penis whatever.