It's Okay to Debate Vaccines

Jordan Stewart
Jordan Stewart

Youtube (owned by Google) demonetized anti-vaccine channels after Buzzfeef contacts advertisers archive.is/22Blt
Congressman Adam Schiff (California) sent a letter to Jeff Bezos expressing concern over a CNN report showing amazon was showing anti-vaccination books and videos in the search results and also displaying them in sponsored posts. Schiff personally effectively asked Bezos to stop suggesting these titles out of duty to act responsibly. archive.is/ZoX4e
Soon after, Amazon took down anti-vaccine documentaries from prime video streaming archive.is/MIMFb
Wikipedia now has a page called vaccine hesitancy archive.is/WSraR

There is now a clear effort between both Corporate and Governmental groups to silence free speech they disagree with and do not want promoted.

Soon after, Facebook (Mark Zuckerberg) also stated in an article that they too will also be cracking down on anti-vaccine content and that they will no longer allow these groups to promote their information through ads or recommendations and will make those topics less prominent in search results. archive.is/hqWkn

Doctor Peter Hotez (appeared very recently on the Joe Rogan show only days after these events) is attempting to mobilize against anyone who disagrees with the interests of the people who push the vaccine agenda and said "An American antivaccine movement is building and we need to take steps now to snuff it out." and has been parroting many of the same comments that Bill Gates has made on the topic of vaccinations. Doctor Peter Hotez has also accused Anti-Vaccine Families of being "a hate group that hate our family and hate our children" because he disagrees with their freedom to make their own choices. (interview here) invidio.us/watch?v=dodsGp37M50

Here have a tucker interview too. invidio.us/watch?v=YFDvkOaMgdc

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Hudson Ramirez
Hudson Ramirez

If you can just label any group you want as a hate group, and then automatically label anything they say as hate speech, then you can shut down anyone you disagree with.
Sounds familar doesn't it?
If you can just label any group you want as mentally ill, and then automatically label anything they say as crazy talk, then you can shut down anyone you disagree with.

Just like Sluggish Schizophrenia in Communist Soviet Russia. The new "hate" twist is being used because they can't label everyone as mentally ill and it's much easier to just accuse large amounts of people of being full of "hate" whenever they disagree with the globalist agenda because if they look angry, they must have hate inside them right? Lets totally ignore that good people have good reasons to be angry about bad things and that wanting to protect your family has nothing to do with hate.

This is nothing but a disgusting elaborate attempt to shut down the first amendment right of an entire group of people who have the right to talk about these things and have a right to choose what they do or don't put in their body.

Peter Hotez got his phd at Rockefeller University. (Rockefeller family has been a huge promoter of vaccines worldwide for the entire 20th century)
Got his medical degree from Cornell (Right across the street from Rockefeller University)
He Ran the Sabin Vaccine Institute in dc (named after Albert Sabin who developed the oral polio vaccine) (the oral vaccine was discontinued in the US because it caused vaccine associated paralytic polio)
In 2000 he led a global effort to rename diseases
He promoted "Preventative Chemotherapy". Wait.. Preventative Chemotherapy…??? What?
Between 2000 and 2011 he served as proffessor at George Washington University and during that time in 2004 he co-wrote and op-ed with the vice president for home land security at George Washing University calling openly for a renewal of the industrial-academic-military complex to develope new vaccines.
Doctor Peter Hotez also collaborated with MilliporeSigma, a Merck and company life sciences business.
Doctor Peter Hotez is also a consultant to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. He claims he doesn't get a penny but It was reported in may 2007 that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation gave Doctor Peter Hotez $52 million dollars to fund his labs.
Since 2017 Doctor Peter Hotez has also been saying that Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Yahoo, Google, Reddit, Pinterest, And instagram should each recruit their own Chief Scientific Officer to manage, filter, and regulate content.

Liam Stewart
Liam Stewart

Doctor Peter Hotez is essentially calling for censorship of everything he disagrees with and the destruction of the first amendment, Freedom of Speech.
He is also angry that he has a pro-vaccine book on amazon that's in 20th place behind many other Anti-Vaccine books.
Amazon stated that the list isn't curated and simply reflects the books that customers are purchasing. If his book is 20th it is because not as many people are buying it.
Doctor Peter Hotez stated when asked why he wrote the book and started talking about vaccines and autism at that time (and not some other time) he replied "I felt I was losing the battle to the anti-vaccine lobby. I felt it was a public service or duty to do everything I can to slow down the anti-vaccine movement."
This was from a quote made in Nov 2018 on Matzav.com "The jewish world at your fingertips" I'm not even joking. archive.is/BVUxH
Julia Belluz: Changing people’s minds is difficult — and part of the problem is the mistrust of experts and the medical establishment. You’re part of that establishment. Why do you think people will listen to and trust you?
Peter Hotez: Well, I’m part of the establishment, and then again, I’m really not. Although I’m a vaccine scientist heading the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development, we’re a nonprofit that does not take vaccine industry funding.

Here's Peter Hotez talking about "Crafting Your Scientist Brand"
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The United Nations is pushing their vaccine agenda as "The Rights of Children" at the same time as they are restricting the rights of parents to choose what is put into their childrens bodies. They don't want a debate over anyone's natural God given rights. In other words, They want to force it on everyone. With Force.
"It is not a choice. It is a requirement as a parent." -Doctor Peter Hotez. invidio.us/watch?v=OIiz54ecS_4

Dominic White
Dominic White

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program archive.is/bFmwx archive.is/f8JDF
How does the VICP work?
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is a no-fault alternative to the traditional legal system for resolving vaccine injury petitions.
is a no-fault alternative to the traditional legal system
no-fault
In very rare cases, a vaccine can cause a serious problem, such as a severe allergic reaction.
a vaccine can cause a serious problem
no-fault
These claims against vaccine manufacturers cannot normally be filed in state or federal civil courts, but instead must be heard in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, sitting without a jury.

Mason Williams
Mason Williams

Things people had to say about this issue
"I thought it was my body, my choice?? Ohhh that's right, only if I want to murder a viable infant. My bad."
If you are vaccinated and “feel” safe, why are you worried about me? More importantly, why are you shutting down my ability to voice my opinion?
Why wouldn't you trust the govt they did a great job investigating 911 No explosives in bldg 7 and all
They are desperately losing the corporate battle and they have huge amounts of resources to fight back. It's going to be messy. Be prepared my friends.
We are not antiscience; we are antibadscience.
Their idea of "health" is depopulation. If people refuse vaccines, it is a huge threat to world "health."
(about Peter Hotez on his russian troll bot claim) The RUSSIANS! This is laughable. He has no credibility. Avoidance of debate is the reddest of the red flags.
So if our children can't speak for themselves, and the parent's can't speak for their children, they want us to let the state speak for them. omg
"Now we're seeing deaths in this anti vaccine movement" But we won't tell you how many deaths and disabilities have been caused by vaccines and vaccine experimental research.
"Science" = pharmaceutical agenda. No REAL science behind it.
what people don't realize it's NOT free speech when they can silence others, we see this time and time again…..who's next?
Please look the CDC up on Dun & Bradstreet's website, it shows that the CDC is a for-profit corporation, which destroys all the unbiased "science" credentials they currently possess.
The science is settled, never trust a guy who wears a bowtie.
We live in the upside down, if "they" push an agenda you know do the opposite or believe the opposite.
Preventative chemotherapy is probably THE most psychotic phrase I've heard.
Everyone I've met who's had the flu, admitted they were vaccinated, oh, the irony.
These people are pro choice when it comes to killing 'unborn' babies but when it comes to new born children they really seem to "care" about them getting vaccinated to keep them "safe" hmmmmmmm really makes you think.

Noah Moore
Noah Moore

I used to support vaccines. I was vaccinated as a child, which was required when my dad got transferred to a base in England. Even my parents had to get vaccinated. I believed that vaccines were safe for most people. However, on September 5, 2018, I finally got a pneumonia vaccine. Before the month was over, I was in the hospital. I started in our local hospital and was transferred to another hospital in a bigger city about 35 miles away. From that hospital, I was transferred to Virginia Mason in Seattle. Eventually, I was given a diagnosis of Myasthenia Gravis. After my stay at the step down hospital in Burien, I was transferred to the nursing home here in town to undergo rehab. At one of the hospitals I was at, I had asked one of the doctors if the pneumonia shot had caused this disease. He told me that there has been a lot of research done with the flu shot; but, not much, if any, has been done with the pneumonia shot.

They will not silence me. I saw my child change before my eyes the day she received the MMR vaccine. No one can convince me she was not injured by that vaccine. This is insult to injury to all the parents of vaccine injured children. They will not shame us. Shame on them.

Astonishing these people don't realize that we see through them
If you can’t decide what can and can’t go in your body, then who’s body is it then?

Oh god, the mention of him coordinating with a 'bioethicist' should be a screeching red flag to any thinking person. Look at what 'bioethicists' have done and continue to do: they're experts in coming up with obfuscatory lawyerball excuses for doing any number of horrendously UNethical things to people. 'Bioethicists' have excused everything from government torture to postpartum abortions, y'know, what we simple clods recognized as murder for hundreds of years before these creeps came along. If someone claims to be a 'bioethicist,' I don't want to be in the same town as them, much less the same room..

Here in Alberta, Canada, our Premier/reps are considering not allowing your children to attend public school unless they are already vaccinated. I still ask why, if vaccines work, is it such a concern for unvaccinated children to be around those vaccinated ones. Then again, being barred from going to public school sounds like a good compromise lol

I would love to talk to someone about safety and vaccinations. I was vaccinated in the military and ended up with narcolepsy with cataplexy.

Jaxon Lopez
Jaxon Lopez

there was an user a back while with the Satan flag talking about this, he just said calling someone a vax-denier is a tool used by the government to discredit you, that thread didn't really go anywhere.

John Bailey
John Bailey

i wouldn't doubt there's sketchy shit going on just because of past incidents with tainted serum

Jaxon Price
Jaxon Price

Does Zig Forums get many shills too?

Benjamin Ward
Benjamin Ward

anti-vax or pro-vax shills?

Ryan Garcia
Ryan Garcia

It's tough to not consider them all tainted on account of all the heavy metals and aborted fetus tissue they add to it.

Mason Hernandez
Mason Hernandez

That too, but also shills in general.

Bentley Wood
Bentley Wood

i mean, if you are talking about promoting politicians there was the yang gang a while ago, that's all i can think of.

Isaiah Hall
Isaiah Hall

(me) i don't know how to tell if someone is a shill

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez

That's surprising if true.
Ask /pol/ for training or just watch them spot shills even if you don't agree with their ideas.

Christian Perry
Christian Perry

Oh nooooooo, who's next, flat earthers!?!?!

Jeremiah Myers
Jeremiah Myers

This is literally schizophrenic tier conspiritard shit that doesn't need to be anywhere near the left, literal classic other of the other nonsense, has nothing to do with Communism or Socialism. And that's irrespective of what my opinions are on the Medical-Industrial complex or even vaccines specifically.

Matthew Ward
Matthew Ward

Ask /pol/ for training or just watch them spot shills even if you don't agree with their ideas.
They call literally everyone a shill. They call eachother shills. They are all shills.

Parker Edwards
Parker Edwards

Off topic shitpost spam since you can't come up with anything better to say
There can't be a left if there are no people left alive to believe in it, so there's that. Being healthy is a top priority in my opinion, wouldn't you think? Debating vaccines is important if we care about our health.

Yes, there are dumbasses who throw the word around, and even shills call nonshills shills too to delegitimize the word and confuse people who don't understand how to spot shills. It's like finding a specific flavor in a fine wine. Which is which? Only the most skilled will be able to tell.

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

No. Under socialism, vaccines will be mandatory.

Eli Diaz
Eli Diaz

you see, shill, finding shills is like a talent, trust me, i'm a shill, everyone is a shill, in fact

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

But I didn't say that, why are you putting words in my mouth? Unless you're a shill trying to shill me in the butthole you fucking faggot?

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan

Maybe we can have a mandatory vaccine in socialism that is a socialism vaccine?

Tyler Young
Tyler Young

As a shill, I'm offended by this thread.

Easton Martin
Easton Martin

Anti-vaxxers get the bullet too

William Lee
William Lee

There can't be a left if there are no people left alive to believe in it, so there's that. Being healthy is a top priority in my opinion, wouldn't you think? Debating vaccines is important if we care about our health.
And here you've outed yourself, because only a retard who doesn't have any conception of how capitalism functions as a system would believe in Vaccines being used to kill proles.
This is retarded along so many axis, one being that without workers the mechanism for generating surplus value doesn't exist, so there would be no widespread use of vaccines to do such a thing because making them ill would hamper productivity, and killing them would destroy capitalism.
Secondly, if you're talking about mass mechanisms of Social Control, there is literally no need for some kind of special vaccine which makes a population more malleable, we have regular ideological mechanisms for that, and they exist all across Society, not to mention that if you wanted to talk about modern tech being used to mess around with Biology, you'd be talking about CRISPR and Gene Editing, which is much easier for the Ruling Class to use as to consolidate their position to almost heriditary.
Regardless anyone who isn't a literal schizophrenic would seriously entertain the idea that something as outlandish as say, a technology borne out of MKUltra or whatever would be implemented through Vaccines, it simply doesn't exist.
If we're talking about something like a controlled extinction event for population control out of a neccessity to keep capitalism alive whilst ignoring the environment; not only would this itself again severely weaken Capitalism's ability to satiate it's need for permanent growth and likely usher in Communism if only for the Ruling Class, have you TAKEN A FUCKING LOOK AROUND? The Ruling class doesn't need to put shit in Vaccines to justify the mass killing of hundreds of millions of people; Imperialism itself has already done that for hundreds of years.
Really, what I'm saying here is that there is no rational reason for anyone abiding by the central logic of Capitalism to even entertain such a premise because it's simply not efficient, effective or conducive to the profit motive, not to mention any actual issues with any of the minutae or logistics of such a thing. The only potential economic motive would be for the medical-industrial complex to somehow purposefully be selling the disease & the cure and if you think that is happening, you are massively detached from reality because not only would this be the greatest conspiracy to ever exist, it simply isn't economically rational to do so if you actually take a step back and think.

Essentially what I'm saying is, you people need to fuck off and take your pathology with you. You have no structural or systemic analysis of anything, and what's more you don't even understand what the left is or any of it's theory, you are fucking hysterics in the Lacanian sense, you believe there to be some kind of secret other beyond the regular other and that you're the only ones who know about it and you have a mandate to spread it everywhere. Just go away, no-one wants you here, you're worse than even the most cancerous Intersectionalists, NazBols, Fruit Juice drinkers and whatever other epithets people like Orwell (Ironic right?) warned against ingratiating themselves into the left. You are fucking toxic, and are so harmful that you're wreckers without even knowing it or even being manipulated by others.

Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

it simply isn't economically rational to do so if you actually take a step back and think
Why? How about selling expensive placebo vaccines? It wouldn't be far-fetched in a country like the US.

Benjamin Anderson
Benjamin Anderson

Also, to comrades here, there is 0 way that this recent uptick in the Anti-Vaxx movement & subsequent media attention caused by the remergence of formerly eradicated diseases (Itself a symptom of a system which is failing) will not be used in order to discredit the Left and garner support ironically for even more severe mechanisms of Social Control that these Anti-Vaxxers purport to be against. It is just like what happened in the late 90's and early 2000s with other Conspiracy Theory nonsense on the left.
If you see one of these fuckers around, tell them to take their meds.

Connor Martinez
Connor Martinez

That is a very different thing than "Vaccines" are actively harmful to children and themselves cause the diseases they're supposed to prevent and other various schizophrenic nonsense that comes out of people's mouths. IF you want to talk about aspects of the Pharmaceutical and adjacent industries in America, we could talk about drug treatment for things like Depression and the entirety of the field of Psychology, things that have been discussed productively at length on this board, those are far more tangible issues that don't resort to tinfoil nonsense.

Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

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Mason Bell
Mason Bell

Nah. It's a gulag tier offence.