Are there any places in the Left for a guy like me?

or you could, you know, just leave the left.

banned and reported and killed by castro for being gay

If you left the left, you become ultra-left.

no but seriously, how do you guys counter claims of chauvinism and brocialism?

Are you pro or anti idpol?

I don't think I shoulder answer since I'm not a marxist and don't know much about it

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Then what is your point? do you think there's brocialism on the left or that there's accusations of brocialism on the left that divide it?

I'm interested in how you handle accusations of chauvinism and brocialism from today's young generation of lefties

idk what to call myself i just came here to learn more about communism. i read the manifesto and i kinda get it. abolish private property, overthrow the bourgeois and get rid of class, socialism isn't the same as communism which i really don't get, could someone explain the difference?

by not engaging in them, those things occur on social media drama.

Honestly it comes up surprisingly little. We've had a few /r/socialism types over the years, but they generally just stay away from here. And I've never encountered this IRL, but I'm also not American.

Socialism is simply seen as a lower stage of communism, that's the basic difference.

what makes socialism and communism different?

from a communist's perspective is socialism bad? can democracy and communism coexist?

Socialism=Good guys who don't like Stalin
Communism=Evil people who want to kill 10000000000000000

oof

By communists do you mean the bolsheviks or communism as in a stateless classless society?

I don't think it's avoidable. I spent a little bit of time volunteering for the Bernie campaign in 2016 and saw firsthand the gap in understanding. The difference in demographics caused tension.

There's definitely a stigma towards appealing to white working class people since they're more likely to be red blooded middle american types.

I also met many communists who thought whites were generally labor aristocrats.

Do you think idpol is the new social-chauvinism? Do you think there's parallels to socialists becoming nationalists in 1914?

i'm referring to the latter, wasn't stalin not considered a true communist? isn't there a divide between ☭TANKIE☭s and anarcho-communists, idk im just asking questions here.

Even if Stalin wasn't a communist there is a divide between anarchists and marxist-leninists (basically what the USSR under Stalin was) for obvious reasons. Stalin was a socialist, in my opinion.

Sorry for le epic meme, but socialism and communism were historically more or less the same movement, but socialism started becoming a bourgeois movement already in Marx' time
Here's from the preface to the communist manifesto

so what about voting? are communists for or against it?

Bolsheviks started calling themselves communists to distance from the socialdemocrats who were also considered socialists but they betrayed it between 1914 and 1923

Theres the leftypol telegram i apologize for the shilling (the link is also in leftytrash). I really hope leftypol does not die cause the Aussie shooter
t.me/joinchat/Bk5Ovku2Je8JaYpigPj98w

tbh communism is the truest form of democracy. I think you're confusing liberalism with democracy and also confusing authoritarianism with communism. Communism is classless and stateless and has not yet been achieved. The most important thing regarding communism is assuring that the working class holds the means of production (abbreviated as mop). Nothing else really matters, but the methodology of achieving such a society is where things get complicated, but we all generally agree that the workers should hold absolute control over the means of production.

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Depends on the political situation of the country. Marx believed that in countries like Britain, real change could come about through the democratic seizure of the state.
Many communists are against voting, but I think that's mostly because they wanna feel extra revolutionary.

so is voting futile? who should i vote for in the 2020 elections?

please watch this very short video

youtube.com/watch?v=vyl2DeKT-Vs

If by voting you mean we expect a candidate to reform capitalism, we don't, because no matter how many social safety nets are created, and no matter how many regulations are imposed, without confronting the question of ownership of the means of production there will continue to be class struggle between the capitalists (who make use of the machinery of the bourgeois state to block, diminish, and eventually discard reforms) and the workers. Nor do such reforms address the anarchic nature of capitalist production with its boom and bust cycles and the threats of depressions and imperialist wars.

kk

so vote communist?

In America you should vote Bernie or Tulsi IMO. Anywhere else in the world, yes, vote communist.

Zig Forums will end up like Zig Forums but instead of reactionaries flooding the board, Zig Forums will slowly morph like Zig Forums from using slurs like they're okay to becoming a leftist version of Zig Forums, but smaller

Just a prediction I got based on reading the OP

that doesn't sound so bad

It's been going the other way though, newfag. Leftypol used to be far less concerned with using slurs than today. Some might say we grew out of our edgy teen phase.

yeah, a gas chamber. don't let the door hit you on the way in, you tranny faggot.

So subtle, Zig Forums.

Usually we just don't. Those accusations don't really come up here, and when they do we just laugh at them. In other forums and IRL, I personally try to stay friendly and through conversation show I'm not what they think I am. If you give people a little respect and are open to hearing them out, they'll come around or at least stop bothering you. If they don't, I take that as a sign they're a wrecker or the whole scene is a bunch of libs.

Yes, although voting itself is not enough to change society

we get more bigots than liberal idpolers. we deal with both the same way, using materialist analysis. I believe idpol (left and right idpol) is one of the most important topics the left has to overcome so I try to always respond to bigots, right schizoids, and red liberals as best I can. Most people here don't give a shit and ignore the daily idpol thread. I have no advice to give on IRL leftists, from what I've heard most are not as bad as the internet makes them up to be. I personally only know liberals, but I've been trying to read and spread knowledge on how capitalism works amongst my friends with some success.

We don't bother because the claims are absurd, you've said in your own posts that /r/socialism is about cliques more than leftism; anyone who doesn't play along with their games gets some horrible label and shunned. If you're focused on pet issues over economic liberation of the working class then you're not leftist, you're just a barnacle that's attached itself to our hull.

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I don't think that user and OP are the same person.

please go back to reddit you nigger

I wouldn't count on it.

Okay, how the fuck is "cuck" a racist slur?

P: Zig Forums likes cuckold porn
P: Zig Forums likes to think of themselves as 'white'
P: cuck is an insult
C: cuck is a racist slur against 'white' people

Yeah maybe
Yeah no, Don’t vote for religious fanatic