Tell me abou Chomsky

That's probably because most animals don't "need" a complex language, only the humans, because they previously managed to develop complex societies. Humans haven't used complex languages since their inception, only after they started to build societies, thus the need for language.

Manufacturing consent is alright. Light on theory but serves as a pretty good empirical example of the propaganda machine we keep talking about. Overall he's extremely idealist, lots of talk of abstract "Justice" (TM). He's also one of those "If you kill your enemies they win" babies so anything he has to say as far as tactics go is to be discarded.

Marx, Lenin, stalin
Marx, Engels, Lenin, FTFY

Yes, animals don't need language. I was just adding to what the user to whom I've replied said that Chomsky thinks animals don't have language.

A liberal with Utopian characteristics.

He’s made some good contributions like his 5 Filters of Media theory, and his general criticisms of capitalism and imperialism (Syria not withstanding) are good introductions to the basic ideas of leftism. Apart from that he’s liberal tier. Idk about him working for the CIA, but tbh the people accusing him of that are probably the same people who say that Trotsky worked with the Nazis or say that Orwell like capitalism, so I’d take such claims with a grain of salt.

he's a Zionist kike

Ultimate Guide to Chomsky's Political Sins
lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2019/03/07/noam-chomsky-and-the-compatible-left-part-iv/

Also about his dogshit idealist """science""" of linguistics
Enigma of Chomsky
chrisknight.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/Knight-on-Chomsky-2010.pdf
Decoding Chomsky
radicalanthropologygroup.org/sites/default/files/pdf/class_text_070.pdf

The Mainstream and the Margins: Noam Chomsky vs. Michael Parenti
lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/chomsky-vs-parenti/

Noteworthy from these:
-Chomsky is unequivocally against all "conspiracy theory" even if it's true
-Chomsky promotes "incompetent empire" theory
-Chomsky was personal friends with the head of the CIA, and was open about it
-Chomsky opposed protests against MIT's military funding
-Chomsky promoted literal Platonic idealism in his linguistic theories to chase Marxists out of academia
-Chomsky shills for US military presence in Syria

Reminder Edward Herman deserves the credit for Manufacturing Consent.

Also reminder that Michael Parenti wrote a similar book, Inventing Reality two years before Manufacturing Consent.
libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=676C6E55F8AD5850296A012F9143BCC8

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why tf do people here like Chomsky then

People here have never liked Chomsky. Zig Forums consensus has pretty much always been that he is king anarcholib.

People here used to like him during the anarkiddie phase.

i assume this has something to with the time when US was creating "revolutions" in some parts of the world

Because we're filled with fucking anarchists and liberals. The same people who cry about the "glory days" of Zig Forums are the very same liberals who shilled bookchin. If you want a peek at what Zig Forums used to look at, just head over to the Zig Forums infested Zig Forums.

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The "glory days" were so because this place back then didn't manage to be a half-dead board filled with cunts that think just because the ratio of ML to other tendencies back then didn't favor them so heavily meant leftypol was "anarchist". the shit that caused leftpol to be created managed to make both boards into near dead and increasingly reactionary boards with leftpol taking the brunt of unironic pol nazbols. This board is slowly recovering but let's not mistake what gotten us into this mess that was the needless sectarianism.

He’s basically a M-L. He called the US gov a terrorist organization. He thinks that everything America does is evil and yada, yada. He’s a M-L in everything but name. M-Ls don’t like him because he’s Jewish. M-Ls hate Jews.

BO-kun's purge was throughly needed, Zig Forums was at that point filled with newcomers and very casual communists and anarchists, but also with unironic reddit liberals posing as anarchists, and Zig Forumsacks posing as the aforementioned liberals (both indistinguishable too, since both came straight from reddit).
True, we lost at least one effortposter, but the average on-topic poster has increased in quality and the average shitpost has gotten funnier too

That, and also almost all bans were 2 weeks, or 4 months at most instead of permas, so I don't even think it was worth raising a fuzz about.

i think a lot of people even after just a 2-4 week ban didn't look back, there was a very bad atmosphere the entire mess brought to the board and it was something a lot of people didn't want to deal with, these are imageboards and people realize they don't have to deal with bullshit very quickly and do just leave. i can't say that being willing to become a dead board to maintain a circlejerk is something i can really side with and really just continues the meme that the left cannot stand together against actual threats and eat each other if a narrow ideological dogma isn't maintained.

*can't, dammit

Imagine thinking the purges were unironically good, they created Zig Forums and killed the potential of both boards, there was no virtual benefit from it.

He's cool
They cool?

Yeah, meanwhile, they let people literally shill for fucking Turkey to commit imperialism against the kurds.

I'd like to see you even attempt to prove that claim

I was there and I watched it all happen you snotnosed little shit. I've been here since the board came into existence and seen what it's been like every step of the way. Seeing as this was a thing that happened in 2017 it's going to be a lot harder to find proof, but I know I've seen posts from that era still remaining. It'll take a while to find them again though.

lol stfu lying anarkiddie

insane maoist third worldist christcom was literally cheering for the kurds to get raped by turkish troops

usa army should remain in one big US military base in Syria

Do u retards still believe this shit?

BO literally did nothing wrong

yeah BO was and he's still the fucking best!

glory days because we were a good meme factory and we were growing as a community. Now we do not make memes and are in decline. Hmmm wonder if the two could be related.. hmmm wonder how many people read Marx after bookchin… hmmmm wonder how many cant stomach straight away full stalinism but could stomach friendly kurdish ISIS killers lead by anarchist granpa, even if thats not really the story of the kurds, so fucking what, it gets people on our side not theirs, easier to make an anarchist into a leninist than a liberal or a reactionary.

this is just objectively incorrect. Name the last meme we made, that should be an indicator of humour and also of post quality as only quality posts generate good shitposts

Seriously man, grow the fuck up.

Nerve center killed this place honestly. Every new thread is immediately bombarded with Zig Forumstards.

Zig Forums stopped making new memes well before the purges. There was a lot of OC in the beginning because it was a topic that didn't have memes yet. Once you make Porky OC, why replace it with something else?

But think about all the funny memes we could do about Marx's labor theory of value! we would recruit so many people with our funny memes comrade lol nazbol gang! culture wars!

This is, ironically, the way most revolutions seem to have gone. You have a golden age of high revolutionary spirits, people are dazzled by all the progress and newness of it, and then a lot of the revolutionary work is finished. Then what? There's this weird stagnation. How do you motivate party members to adhere to a revolutionary party line when the revolution has succeeded? How do you keep spirits high? People get accustomed to socialism just like they get accustomed to drugs or marriage. Suddenly all the new problems seem like the only problems, and the old problems don't exist. People stop looking forward and start looking backward…

This reminds me of a post from /marx/ regarding the general political climate in the early years of the USSR compared to later years, below it it's a response by Ismail:
""A brief look at the 1920s shows that, in the early years, there was a general questioning of the old values that had dominated Russian society under the Tsar. Family law was changed from one of male priority within the family set up, to one of equality between the sexes. Men and women were declared equal, divorce was made easily available, abortion was legalised and so on. It was in this context that homosexuality was also legalised.

It is also true to say that there were two trends present in Soviet society in the early days. There was a revolutionary trend that aimed to radically change the structure of society, but there was also an underlying conservative trend, an expression of the remnants of the old society and also the petit-bourgeois nature of the caste of bureaucrats that was beginning to emerge.

There were the attempts to build communal kitchens, communal housing, communal laundries, to provide free generalised childcare and many other changes to facilitate the life of women in particular. At the same time, however, the limited development of the economy meant that the resources for all this to become a long-lasting reality did not exist.

The isolation of the revolution to one country, and a backward one at that, meant that the leap towards a genuine communist society was not possible, and the other, more conservative trend eventually predominated. The traditional values began to creep back into society. Let us not forget that, especially within the state officialdom, it was the same old conservative petit-bourgeois layer in control. Once the complete isolation of the revolution had become evident, the hope of an international revolution saving the Soviet workers dissipated and was eventually lost in the consciousness of millions of people in the Soviet Union.

In these conditions, one observes a change even in the ability to debate different opinions. In the early years there was genuine debate within the press, with sometimes very contrasting opinions being expressed. This was also seen in art and literature. But already from the early years there was another layer, that of the mediocre non-entities, those incapable of independent thought, the sycophants and yes-men and women. This layer was only interested in being seen as the perfect party activist, always carrying out the “correct line”. This line, however, was no longer to be achieved through genuine open debate, as had been the case when Lenin and Trotsky led the Bolshevik Party. Now the line was to be learnt by rote and passed down from above.

In this atmosphere, the conservative views that permeated the bureaucracy slowly started emerging as the only accepted views. This did not take place overnight, but was a process drawn out over several years. More and more conservative views were expressed as the years went by."

marxist.com/from-emancipation-to-criminalisation-stalinist-persecution-of-homosexuals-from-1934.htm

Ismail's response:
"Homosexuality wasn't explicitly made legal, it was simply no longer a criminal offense to engage in homosexual acts. But there was certainly a lot more cultural openness in the 1920s (as well as political debates.) On the other hand, a fair bit of what that article calls "revolutionary trends" involved experiments in schooling and such that didn't work very well in practice. There were also ultra-left and dogmatic errors in the ranks of Proletkult, the League of Militant Atheists, historians of Russia (like Mikhail Pokrovsky), etc. which were brought to light in the 1930s.

The article is from a Trotskyist perspective, and you can see it with silly claims like writing about a supposed layer "of the mediocre non-entities." Stalin, Ordzhonikidze, Dzerzhinsky, Molotov, Kirov, Mikoyan and others make for strange "non-entities" given their lengthy pre-1917 careers."

Memes are actually really important for working proles that don't or can't read theory. It's not perfect and might be only a bastardized version of leftist theory but it's infinitely better than nothing. It also takes up cultural, physical space. Social media is highly contested between leftists and reactionaries and, yes, a significant portion of that involves cultural engagement in the form of all kinds of media, media which has a uniquely proletarian character as opposed to the utter deluge of reactionary corporate media.

If you don't think memes are an important part of online leftist praxis then I entreat you seriously reconsider your deeply flawed position.

That was more about preventing the Kurds from being massacred by Turks.

Nah, just make infographics with sources at the bottom, might sound retarded but the most redpilled i got here was walking into a propaganda thread and seeing an infographic describing the achievements of the USSR and other socialist countries.

infographics are memes

Pic on the left is an infographic, pic on the right is a meme (with a watermark on it, only one i could find sorry)

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I suppose the second meme is a reference to the countless memes about how during the time the soviets sent a dog to space they also had the entire population of Russia starving, even though the famines happened almost 10 years before that, and when you tell people it's historically inaccurate they shut you up.

These are both right, old Zig Forums had much better memes but the politics were terrible. I say that as someone who used to shill one big US military base in Syria.

No one here defends Turkey.

they're both memes. they are functionally identical.

Any prole who can read (most of them in the 1st world) can read the theory. As well, you're assuming the proles are looking at shitty memes. A lot of them don't give a fuck about that kind of petty booj internet nerd shit! Of course we need propaganda, but muh may mays are not really great at it.
Making lectures, audiobooks, and video essays is probably a much better use of effort. And getting them to read the theory.

AND infographics with sources below.

This is why the Far-Right were able to gain control on the whole Bush did 9/11 thing.

He's still better than the autists on this board who think socialism is just when you hate America, and the more you hate America the socialister it is

you are right, socialism isn't hating America, it is shilling America!

Hello FBI

hello MK Ultra 2 voluntee- i mean fellow american citizen

Your purposeful ignorance of my point pretty much reveals you as little more than controlled opposition meant to prop up the American state

This ridiculous lionization of capitalist governments, based solely on the fact they are anti-capitalist, under the guise of anti-imperialism is fucking retarded, as if critical support in the very least is not possible

kys lib

Wonderful argument lifestylist

Maybe if you actually had to work for a living instead of taking daddy's money you'd care about advancing socialism instead of your own social standing

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How is it not?

No, I don't think that's their argument.
He did take government contracts to work on linguistic projects and he's always denied it, witch has always seemed kind of sketchy. Maybe that's what they are referring to.

America is really shitty tbh

incase you hadn't noticed memes are an extremely useful propoganda tool. I honestly can't believe i am seeing this argument being made on a fucking imageboard. All you are doing here is mindlessly jerking off your own sectarianism, you don't like the fact that anarchists exist, so you are willing to throw a stick in your own wheel just to pwn them, instead of creating a strong left wing community. You are entirely what is wrong with the left. I can guarentee you do zero real life organising with working class people, which takes tact, listening, and the ability to work with people who don't see eye to with you, which you patently cannot do and instead prefer screaming ad hominems such as "you need to grow up" with no further qualification.

pol tards are fine, remember when we used to have posts every other day saying "i used to be a poltard but then i came here" when was the last one of those we had?

i would disagree, there was loads of bordiga memes right about when the purges started happening that were pretty dank. I'm not a left com, armchair memes were good though

yeh what recruits people is extremely dry humourless cunts such as yourself, very relatable and affable i want to join your marxist reading group 1000232 yours will be different i am sure and revolution will develop from here.

well what happened was, things went slightly out of control of mods, the partei and they had an autism fit. Its funny because Marx specifically talks about flux in the communist movement, how conditions will change, theory will develop, communism will be in flux, what the mods did was try and say "we shall go no further" because they liked the torture chamber. They didnt care about the propoganda potential, they have absolutely no savvy at all about how real people work, how they generally view communism, and how to cleverly combat that, they genuinely believe throwing heavy books at people and marching around in combat gear waving hammer and sickles will convert people. Well good luck with that, its only what every trot sect has been doing for the last 100 years and failing, but sure, you will have better luck, because your cOreCCt tHeoRy transcends all those before you, obviously, because you learned it on a image board

there was good politics mixed in with bad politics, you have ot be in a place where your bad politics are challenged if you want to have good politics. Also people flinging shit at each other led to humour, which makes the whole place more engaging,

talk to any volunteer or actually read about it.What they have in place is like early soviet democracy. Assad still supplies their healthcare. Their cadre that lead and organise the people aren't allowed to have sexual partners and have promised their entire lives to the revoution (and they stick to this). All the major parties in Kurdistan, including the PKK operate on democratic centralism.

a lot of theory takes having a general knowledge of economics/ anthropology/history etc to properly get. Assuming you can read theory because you read some phillip pulman is beyond retarded.

you're pretending they don't. Memes are absolutely everywhere, its not a nerdy niche thing anymore, everybody shares memes, go on facebook there a billion meme pages.

clearly you have not been paying attention to any election or referendum in the last 5 years.

very many people do not want to sit and watch youtube lectures, i do, but why not lecturees … AND memes… shock horror

how about memes as an entry point to being introduced to theory… jesus

Every one of your posts is more stupid than the last.

Not if they're working three jobs on top of going to school you stupid fuck.

You should seriously, actually kill yourself.

Quit your bitching. The Black Panther Party was hardcore about theoretical literacy and they were addressing a population that had actual BASIC LITERACY problems and was also overworked, if they could do it then we have to as well.

Yeh if you quote only one part of the sentence, explain why converting reactionaries is a bad thing, and explain how leftypol does that better now than it did before, and show me proof.

we should for sure teach theory, but i am 100% sure the black panthers did not throw people straight in at the deep end.

They sure as hell wouldn't accept "I'm too busy to read" as an excuse. Too busy to read? Too busy for revolution.

What are you imagining? Most really important Marxist lit is not very tough. If you're trying to introduce people, of course you won't assign Capital right off the bat.

no but they actually set up community education programs and taught people, they didnt just encourage reading.

so you start with the thin end of the wedge, the thinnest end of that wedge is memes.

Memes are for suburban mongrels and hipster retards - so 2% of the "proletarian". Why should we be appealing to 2% of the global proletarian? We should be appealing to the actual working class, not dumb fucking students and other ADHD stricken children.

prove either of these statements with facts

do the actual working class not use facebook, instagram etc?

cookie cutter retard crit. Prove any of the shit you have just said