How can you defend nationalism when Soviet Union collapsed because of it? How can you defend nationalism when Soviet Union collapsed because of it? How can you defend nationalism when Soviet Union collapsed because of it?
How can you defend nationalism when Soviet Union collapsed because of it...
Blake Kelly
Caleb Jackson
Who defends nationalism? Don’t mistake Zig Forums for anything but a testament to poorly adapted misfits looking for strength in all the wrong places.
Jack Bailey
There are still plenty of dumbfuck spookcucks here on leftypol that buy into the nation meme. They try and pass their reactionary horse shit off as "civic nationalism" as if it isn't just the same old bourgeois shit rebranded.
Sebastian Powell
The SU was actually internationalist with the countries that ACTUALLY WANTED socialism. Why the fuck would you bother being "internationalist" with imperalists and fascists AKA the west?
Jack Jones
The USSR didn't collapse because of nationalism, it collapsed because of the neoliberal reforms of the 80s. Nationalism was a product of the problems caused by the reforms.
Xavier Ward
Once again it turns out that the nation and race is a more tangible concept than something like “class”. Sure, class exists as an economic relationship but the ties of blood are far more fundamental. Multicultural societies like the Soviet Union are bound to disintegrate
Kayden Ross
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Jose Richardson
Tbh most people here don't defend nationalism but patriotism (nothing wrong with being patriotic) and national liberation (useful and necessary in many occassions).
Ryan Wood
Most people in the USSR didn't want the country to be separated. The USSR collapsed because of bourgeois interests, not nationalism.
Grayson Parker
You watch too much cuck porn user, try to lay of for a couple of weeks.
Your fellow "whites" that are above you in standings won't do shit for you. Why is this so hard to understand?
Xavier Taylor
they tried to assassinate tito a dozen times and they sided with pinochet over allende
Adam Morales
I've heard this before but I've never seen evidence of it. Do you have some?
I've definitely never heard this. Are you thinking of China (which recognized Pinochet very quickly)?
Dominic Lewis
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
They gave Allende a bunch of free shit and cut ties with the Chilean government after the coup. What the fuck are you talking about?
Nathaniel Harris
Perestroika wrecked economic planning while failing to create a stable market economy, with the result that everyone on the left and right (as well as ordinary citizens) hated him. The main beneficiaries of Gorby's policies were black marketeers and crime bosses, and even they ended up preferring Yeltsin to him.
The reason Perestroika was so devastating, besides its economic consequences, was that Gorb had denounced the economic system of the 1930s-1985 as an "administrative-command economy," a supposed bureaucratic distortion of socialism. By contrast, he portrayed Perestroika as a return to Lenin and the birth of a genuinely socialist economy.
This meant that, due to the disastrous record of Perestroika, many citizens became convinced that socialism was unsalvageable and capitalism was required to develop the country's economy.
This was linked to Gorby's other major policy: Glasnost. At first this simply meant that the media and party/state officials should be more willing to discuss shortcomings in Soviet society and for academics to research and publish on "taboo" subjects like crime rates.
However, Glasnost was also applied to the history of the Soviet Union. This was supposed to mean treating the history of the country and CPSU more objectively. Instead it became an excuse for right-wing historians and other academics to attack both, in tandem with anti-communists emerging in the press and among the republics with nationalist tirades and attacks on socialism.
Gorby's "democratization" of the Soviet political system resulted in more chaos, with the CPSU ridden with factions and unable to exercise any vanguard role whatsoever, further adding to the demoralization of the population.
So yeah if Gorby never did Perestroika, and at least kept strict control over Glasnost (which he refused to do), the USSR would have absolutely lasted longer than it did, possibly even lasting today.
The USSR had all sorts of problems in 1985: declining growth rates, growing cynicism among the population, the unending war in Afghanistan, the arms race, etc. The Soviet system wasn't in a crisis, but people clearly wanted change. I don't think I can predict what a modern-day USSR would look like, nor its difficulties.
Kayden Brooks
The USSR didn't collapse. It was dismantled. ~40 years of revisionism will do that.
Jackson Morgan
So nationalism is when you import shitty american culture to your country and start capitalist economy reforms?
Christian Hughes
No, Nationalism is when your country has McDonald's, and the more McDonald's franchises there are in your country, the more Nationalist-er it is.
Leo Anderson
nationalism is when you allow fast food restaurants in your socialist country as long as they have the same colors as your flag and look cool
Ayden Scott
Nationalism was a symptom of the collapse not the cause.
Jeremiah Stewart
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Brody Torres
i fucking hate gorbafaggot nigger who sold his country and its place as a superpower for fucking mcdonalds fucking fat fucking trash
youtube.com
every time i see this video my hate for fat fucks and gorbachev and liberals grows even larger fucking retards
also fuck that retard who sold military equipment for coca cola
Hudson Baker
Nationalism didn't help the Cherokee Nation.
Carter Fisher
To be fair, if i was in control of a country like the USSR and invited a global food franchise into the country, i'd nationalize them and steal their recipes in order to make better local food. Gorbachev could've turned his problem around by doing this, and people would've still had that wonderful pizza hut cancer that they so desired, of course with a new name and without the capitalism.
Cameron Davis
If i'm not wrong North Korea buys cheaper knockoff versions of famous clothing brands to appease their citizens, much better step than what the USSR did towards people that wanted pretty looking clothes made in capitalist countries.
Levi Allen
Not defending nationalism, but that isn't why it collapsed. And having countries, individual republics, and different cultures isn't nationalism.
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Jace Peterson
This is the smart thing to do. Take notes, revolutionaries.
Levi Allen
go away america
Joshua Bell
Well, can you make stuffed cabbage on a quickly and at a large scale like fast food franchises?
David King
No, as others have stated, it was Gorbachev and his clique with their retarded "reforms" which contributed to the dissolution of the USSR. The majority of the Soviet population wanted the USSR to remain.
Also, read Kim Jong Il
Angel Richardson
Nationalism is fucking stupid because nations are people and being for people is stupid. Patriotism. unquestioning loyalty to the state, is what we should all aspire to.