It's a sizable group, and "induction" required a couple interviews on voice chat where they purity tested my beliefs and grilled me on feminism, LGBTQIA+, neurodivergent rights. Fortunately I had recently watched a few ContraPoints videos so I was able to stumble through, but they recommended I educate myself on the finer points. To their credit they have countless pages of well organized material, so I will make use of that, at least to understand their perspective.
But eventually I have to participate in the community, so I don't want to make any faux pas. I'm a regular guy that never attended university and don't know the lingo. I'm aware of 'ableist slurs' like stupid, idiot, dumbass, insane, moronic etc. but before reading that I would never have guessed. It's very important that I don't reveal my ignorance since they have an elaborate point-based system which can result in infractions or bans.
My first question is to ask what exactly "tendency based" means. I tried googling it but nothing came up.
why the fuck would you want to be there? are you trying to somehow change the way the whole community works by slowly making them understand class is more important or are you just in for the lols?
Austin Long
why would you do that to yourself
Grayson Sanders
I'm trying to genuinely understand their point of view, and that includes not instinctively 'flinching' from their beliefs which I find silly and unhelpful, and trying my best to feel and think as they do. That means I need to read their body of work, and interact with them.
It might seem stupid, but once upon a time I was an extremely online reactionary that read Evola and posted fash/trad memes, but I was able to leave that by being open minded. So I need to see for myself if these people have any merit, and maybe syncretize some things into my belief system or reject it entirely.
Asher Perez
I appreciate your point of view but don't you think that if a community will shun you immediately for minor wrongthink instead of trying to teach you how you're wrong that that tells you something about the merit of that community?
Grayson Young
Well you could try to read their stuff without outright joining the community, imo. Could have just asked online what works make up their world view.
Luis Cox
I really get what you're coming from, and at this point I seriously doubt I would 'become' one of them entirely. There is a kind of paranoia of outsiders and desire for power (at least the kind that being an all powerful mod brings). But it could be that way because these people have been hurt IRL and try to bring some form of control online.
For instance, just creeping on a few members I've seen a large proportion are trans, I don't think it's a coincidence, and they've probably experienced a lot of shit and want a little space for themselves without all the trouble.
I found the group by pure chance it's over 3000 members strong, so it's not insignificant as far as online communities go. I heard that they had really good resources and groups so joining seemed like the easiest way.
As far as just asking them, hmm.. I've found that what people say and do are two different opposite things. One of the reasons I rejected fascism was the talk was nice, but how they treated each other was not reflective of the 'theory' so to speak. I felt better in leftist spaces even ones as limiting as on Reddit.
Kevin Foster
Don't fall for the "SJW" meme. These people are capable of being allies. You just have to have a bit of patience with them at times, and avoid saying anything stupid. Accept their dumb rules on "ableist slurs" and everything. It's meaningless anyway. Always demonstrate the economic nature of politics to them, connect this to the issues that keep them occupied.
You're gonna have to give some context on that.
Andrew Walker
Fashies are scum, recently some have been in the news in Alaska for murdering their gangmate by burning his Swastika tattoo off with hot knives, I know we can get a bit rowdy sometimes but I think we would be able to work everything out even if we were actually fighting over power. I luv all my comrades
I read most of Marx-Engels Reader, Rosa's writings + the various big YouTube people: hbomberman, ContraPoints, Richard Wolff etc. Even then I don't feel very qualified to debate or lecture people on things. I've been at it for only a few months, there's people that's been studying this stuff since they were teens shit I haven't even OPENED Das Kapital.
Isaac Sanchez
Love you too user
Jackson Clark
I'm in a lot of groups like this on Facebook. I've been kicked out of one for stating my beliefs at one point. These types of people mostly say good things but the notable exception is their opinions on gun control. Some acknowledge class, some don't.
I think people on Twitter are much more sane, much looser, and in general much more useful. They don't have a stick up their ass like the "leftbook" folks. Despite that I still agree with most of what they say, I just don't like how they take it to the most literal radical extreme.
Zachary Ross
I agree we should at least try to work with them but some people are SO divisive and splitter-like that it's honestly not worth it, I'm okay with transgender whatever but if someone says me saying stupid is bannable, I'm sorry but at that point you're just trying to find things to be offended about instead of trying to solve anything.
Chase Campbell
I'd guess this refers to someone trying to cause shit by casually saying things they know other leftist tendencies disagree with. We're all still learning. You're doing good.
Justin Bailey
what the? they actually interview and interrogate you to join, what a discord? is batko there? and since when has idiot become a slur?
Jace Mitchell
I mean left unity is kind of a myth, with that said I do think it makes sense to at least consider alliances with people you don´t jive wtih. Simply moving people towards the left should be a net-gain, even if you disagree with their vision.
Bentley Diaz
How many of these people are "self-diagnosed" autists?
Why do people even use facebook at this point, it's the home of he braindead ESPECIALLY is theyre active. Twitter is far better, no one can kick me from the group for saying their idpol opinions are so epic i piss and shit my pants and require immediate cleaning
Parker Green
I live far away from my family and it's the only way I can keep in touch with them. When I'm back home it's the only way I can keep in touch with the people who are basically my adopted family in another country. I have mixed feelings about it all really. I think issues of identity have zero place in politics. I don't even consider it politics. Who you are shouldn't be something that's up for debate. The concept is beyond fucked. I think policing people for saying things like "stupid" is pointless and it will only drive away people at a time when we need them the most. At the same time I also feel like policing shit like misogynist speech, racial shit, etc etc does have a place in leftist discourse. We don't need a bunch of divisive bullshit in our spaces. I find the easiest way to avoid drama is to not only disassociate yourself from people who are basically crypto social reactionaries but also people who are willing to cape for them. If they will defend someone like Laurelai Bailey they are not your comrade.
Josiah Sullivan
nothing wrong with selfdiagnosing man there are a lot of legal consequences wrapped up in a diagnosis even when you're "high functioning." makes it much harder to adopt, get hormones if you're trans, etc. and people will take you less seriously in general
Christian Lopez
actually..
Joshua Stewart
If you aren't facing the legal consequences of being deemed autistic, you aren't living the life autistic people have to live (on top of their very real debilitation, ranging from relatively high-functioning to severe). I don't know why anyone would want to willingly identify as autistic if they know anything life in those conditions.
It sucks because as children, you're placed in an environment where the system is ready to throw labels on you and force you into your social position, while as an adult the system doesn't want to deal with you as much as possible and goes out of their way to avoid diagnosing anything since that means paying out benefits and allowing for accomodations (at least, that's how it is supposed to work in theory, and sometimes people diagnosed do put up a legal fight even when the system is rigged against them).
The college educated privileged "self-diagnosed" people who work in IT jobs, though, I have no regard for that shit. Maybe they had legal entanglements in the past, and maybe they take shit on the job because of their social awkwardness, but that is something different from explicit legal discrimination that people on SSI disability face, that people in special education face. Otherwise, no matter who you are, you're always going to be shit on for something if you aren't the beneficiary of nepotism and aren't able to play workplace politics.
Nolan Foster
Self-diagnosing is retarded. The purpose of a diagnosis is determining what treatment you need within the psychiatric system. It's a dumb bureaucratic label they put on you to make themselves seem scientific. Capital and the state require it to legitimize themselves. But people turn it into their identity like it's a fucking zodiac sign. That's what you're doing when you self-diagnose. Truly pointless.
Isaac Turner
They don’t. They’re shithead liberals and useful idiots for porky.
Xavier Ramirez
dubious
Brayden Ward
If you weren't screened out by the school system (which you are legally compelled to attend, in some fashion), you probably aren't secretly autistic yet able to pass through the normal school system. Those are legal consequences (it helps to think of the whole of the mental "health" establishment as a parallel legal code, in which human inequality is enshrined). Indeed, the status conferred upon someone in school often supercedes the formal law. It's damn near impossible for a "normal" to become a mental invalid after the school system, and it is a literal impossibility for a mental invalid to regain normal status once assigned. This means, literally, living under a different legal code if you are an invalid. Even if someone can believe they have genuine severe mental problems, I would tell them to avoid a formal diagnosis unless it is absolutely necessary. Suicide would be preferable to the life I have to live, and it is only because I've become so acclimated to this life that I haven't hanged myself - the worst has passed, and I still have enough freedom to hang myself if a fate worse than death is looming, like being confined to an institution. All of this comes before I have to talk about the very real limitations of my body and brain, which are already bad enough. Nothing I do or am is going to matter because the entire reason I'm allowed to continue living is to be a target for public humiliation. That's what "tolerance" and "integration" have meant in practice, because it wasn't just enough to force people into institutions or kill them off.
Adam Perez
perhaps but id wager you could walk into the middle of an SS camp and leave with more converts than someone fully indoctrinated by SJW ideas
Camden Perez
Revolution will not be lead by weak SJWs. Revolution is only done by strong minded people who have solid theory and some damn charisma. I'm not going off on some "weak should fear the strong" shit. But the weak will be protected by the strong, do you think Lenin, Che, Sankara, were some whiny screeching vampires obsessed with trans politics?
Matthew Rivera
This is the correct answer you should be talking about. We're not talking about a fuzzy camp where people feel good, we're talking about an organization that is going to do something tangible. Even if your goal is reforms within the liberal system, assuming your opponent is morally touchy-feely is a flaw and has won absolutely zero concessions and done zero good throughout the whole of human history. It's the kind of strategy Porky or any bully wants you to follow, because it is so disastrously losing that following it is literally the worst thing you can do.
Connor Bennett
allyship is cancer. Be comrades not allies
Jonathan Rogers
Probably the worst form of idpol. Sucks that it is so common in the American left for some reason.
They are historically unnecessary. SJWs will be discarded, the dialectics are in motion against them. We just have to make sure the masses do not enter into false conflict with them by becoming fascists.
Camden Powell
This. One thing I hate about SJW politics is how utterly limp wristed and effeminate it is. The obsession with safe spaces and not offending people, the outright rejection of masculinity, etc. How are these people going to squat in the forest for days on end carrying a rifle and 30 kilos of gear? How are they going to win street battles with right wing paramilitaries? How are they going to have the stomach to combat reaction? Even when they try to sound tough they certainly aren’t convincing anybody. I don’t care what these retards think, what we need now is some damn bravado, we need the capability to intimidate, and to back up that intimidation. SJW politics are inherently incapable of displaying any kind of militancy.
I believe they are a symptom of a self-destructive tendency that has been deliberately cultivated, and thus can't just be ignored. I don't think "SJW" is a useful descriptor. There's a difference between the trans autistic person who was in sped and went through the system, lives it, and those that cynically use their suffering to build a vampire castle. The former, I can understand why they act the way they do, because I've been in their position and know how it is. Unfortunately, instead of organizing for something useful, the vampire castle types deliberately divert energy that could be harnessed for useful ends (even if they are reformist) towards an exercise in vanity. It's COINTELPRO and it has been quite effective at muting resistance, both because it suppresses the energy of the downtrodden to fight for what little they can and because it abandons attempts to win physical and social positions in favor of fighting over airy ideas and feelings where the right's propaganda is strongest. It's like running headlong into a wall. Unfortunately, people in general, and especially the lowest classes, are deliberately trained to adopt the instincts of prey animals and live in constant fear.
Ayden Wood
If you larp as a commie but sound like a youtube conservative when it comes to social issues (looking at you ) you can fuck right off.
Dominic Williams
Toss them into a GULAG for spreading bourgeois revisionist bullshit. Tell them about the teachings of savior Stalin. Dirty kulaks have been recently obscuring class conflict with identity politics, which keeps truly oppressed groups from fighting their true enemies.
It is when you are white and well off like most the idiots who promote this shit. For example that wrecker in the Democrat Cops of America who was the head of their disabilities caucus was a self-diagnosed autist. Also mentally ill people should not be involved in day-to-day operations of any political organization.
Zachary Brown
Stalin brutally chokes girl circa.1949
Adam Price
the thing is, that's how most commies in eastern Europe feel. It's a bit hard to watch westerners and take them seriously, but cat friend here does go the right way without falling into third worldism autism, so honestly fuck off faggot
Justin Hill
Stalin wouldn't have tolerated these poisonous social "justice" warriors for one moment. They are weighing down true Marxists by caring about their own little identity groups including tranvestites, homosexuals, bisexuals, or whatever other non normative gender and sexual orientation is trendy rather than underlying class conflicts. These revisionists scream about "the patriarchy", and "racial oppression", when in reality these are all disguises shoved over endless class warfare to make them topple false enemies.
Kill the rich, kill the imperialists and banksters, and gender or race identity will become irrelevant.
Nathan Perry
How is that not different? It's the medical equivalent of being "transracial".
just want to add that any so-called leftist who attacks sectarianism and tendencies or calls for "left unity" is usually an anarchist or a radlib (same thing lol)
Levi Campbell
What exactly is wrong with intersectionality? Doesn't it make sense that leftist should support doing away with all forms of oppression? Marxism often isn't enough to take on racism homophobia patriarchy and other forms of oppression as these things still existed even in the socialist republics of the 20th century.
Look at this KDP poster from the 1930s. Show this to the average person and they'll think it's propaganda for some far right party because of it's chauvinistic protagonist . The goal of leftism is to create and equal and inclusive society, I don't see how that can be achieved without taking into considering along with class other systems of oppression that includes people from ALL oppressed groups.
Fuck off, a revolutionary movement requires militancy and toughness, and any ideology that has an aversion to that is incompatible with those requirements.
If you want to see what militancy and toughness looks like talk that shit around me. I'll treat you the same as I treat anybody with reactionary views. No love for social conservatives, don't care if they have a hammer and sickle tattoo or not.
Isaac Evans
I think that intersectionality is important and a mostly new development that has a place in leftism. Many voices are needed for the liberation of the working class. We should be doing everything we can to appeal to all disenfranchised people and we can better do that by influencing the conversation. Leftist forums can be lame for certain people due to the few TURBOTANKS who bitch about trans and gay people being mentally ill or advocating full AuthSoc.
What kind of things does the group do? Is it all leftists?
Nolan Collins
whats wrong with that buddy
Jaxon Moore
This
John Robinson
Marxism needs to be humanitarian. I worry about the long term transition from Authoritarian Socialism to Communism. I don't feel those systems would ever fully erode the exploitation of workers.
Chase Perez
Whoops
Lucas Watson
I mean some hardcore aryan nations prisoners isn't exactly a good baseline
Considering that many idpol nu-left groups actually have had issues with rapists etc I'd say there's some comparability
Brody Thompson
Marx directly opposed intersectionality and called for breaking up organizations that focused on antiracism/feminism etc because they were obstructing scientific socialism
These idpol social causes you talk about like gay rights/antiracism are promoted by billionaires to neuter actual economic opposition Tl;DR You're a liberal
Matthew Walker
Black people are definitely the most class conscious
Ryan Long
Marx was a homosexual cuckold jew and by following his idiot doctrine you get brainwashed into following a "Talmudism For Goyim" sort of paradigm. You will be murdered with all of your shitskin friends.
Blacks aren't people. Blacks aren't even Homo-Sapiens. You are, however, a fucking faggot.
Oliver Lopez
use the little bit of your brain that you have to be more creative with your insults, friend
Brayden Powell
Bruh that's absolute bs Blacks talk about how unions are some sort of crypto-white supremacy conspiracy
Joseph Brown
I am confused, to this day, as to how exactly Marxism is "Talmudism for Goys". What does that mean? How is that even possible?
Michael King
Self diagnosing is a necessary precondition to getting a real diagnosis. No one walks into a doctor's office seeking a diagnosis if they don't already suspect something is wrong with them.
Zachary Evans
Because in this great big cheeseburger of a country historically the only jobs that were unionized were dominated by white men. So liberal spookery lead it to be "only for whites" to negros and "only for white men" for white petit-bourgeois women. Somebody nuke this big dumb reactionary patty.
Kayden Hill
RUN!
No one inside the vampires castle can be an ally of anyone.
