Is anyone following the Ukraine election? Poroshenko is about to be ousted by a TV comedian. Where have we seen this before? Ukrainebros, is he a scam artist?
Ukraine election
Luke White
Brayden Richardson
Politics has become the circus.
Blake Brown
Yee, President Zelensky is gonna be interesting: hopefully we get peace in Donbass like he says he wants.
Jace Miller
What is with celebrities becoming presidents/leaders of fascist countries?
Bentley Moore
Hrystenko was the correct choice, convince me otherwise.
Samuel Lewis
Nothing will change. Zelensky is a proxy of the oligarch Kolomoysky, who funds his campaign and TV show. Even for Ukrainian oligarchs, Kolomoysky is a particularly unwholesome character.
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Class war is the only way to break free from the dystopian hellscape nightmare circus that is Eastern European politics.
Jonathan Jackson
beyond parody
Austin Collins
Ukrainians, justify Ukraine to me.
Thomas Price
Ukraine sold all it's high tech military tech to China. That could be good depending on your opinion of china.
Easton Brown
Yes and no, ironically being a proxy for Kolomoisky might actually push Ukraine into developing into a parliamentary democracy; which might heal its internal national divisions (ending the Russkije vs Ukrayinitsi political divide) and allow a legitimate ideological system of government to form.
The other outcome could be that Zelensky, due to his inherent cultural russophilia, tells Kolomoisky to fuck-off and then begins a purge. Zelensky himself has said he has plans to work with Saakashvili (yes that one, the former Georgian president, it's a long story he's governor of Odessa now) to root out corruption (which ironically enough for Saakashvili's history in Georgia, he has been really good at). There's also the fact that Zelensky wants a negotiated peace with Russia over the Donbass and the fact he wants to end cultural boycotts on Russian citizens and banning Russian citizens based on political belief: something that will trigger Kolomoisky hard. I doubt Zelensky, due to his Russophone background and his personal links to Russia (as an actor he starred in and made several Russo-Ukie films) that he will abandon such a pledge. As such it is perfectly possible Zelensky will ditch Kolomoysky and then use the wave of being the president that brought "PEACE" to sour to new heights. We will see, it also depends what PM he appoints: since if the rumours of an alliance with Yulia Tymoshenko are true she will help him fuck-over Kolomoysky purely out of fucking spite.
Cringe and spookpilled.
Bentley Rogers
Critically support Kolomoisky against Poroshenkoist imperialism?
Jordan Rivera
Zelensky is bad comedian, actor and even as retard is bad.
Jeremiah Russell
Nah, fuck em both. The difference is that Zelesnky has broken the cultural seperation of Ukrainian politics. He represents the east and the west, Kiev and the countryside.
Nolan Martinez
Basically what privatization was in every Eastern Europe country.
Yet even to this day, retards will defend this as "those factories weren't productive, it was a GOOD CHANGE"
Hunter Sullivan
Fuck Ukraine and its SS pro nazi population. Now that the 'Russian' parts are seceeding, the rest of the place is an enemy of communism.
Jose Howard
Быдло tier knowledge of Ukraine.
Nathaniel Stewart
My cousin is married to a Ukrainian woman. She says everyone west of Dnipropetrovsk are fucking insane.
Josiah Campbell
She lived in Dniprodzerzinsk
Brody Hernandez
cult of personalities are indicative of fascism
Bentley Butler
It appears Zelensky has finally smashed the post-soviet Ukrainian political divide.
Henry Peterson
Sooo, she lived in the East and said that people in the West were insane? Nice sources you have here, considering the cultural tensions between both parts of the country.
William Perry
Yes. And now that most of the east left, there are mostly Bandera worshipers left in U crap ine.
Gabriel White
Ukraine, Rating poll:
Presidential run-off on 21 April 2019
Zelensky (SN-Anti-Establ.): 71% (+3)
Poroshenko (BPP-EPP): 29% (-3)
+/- with 22-27 Mar 2019
Field work: 5-10 Apr 2019
Sample size: 3,000
Poroshenko = BTFO'ed
Brayden Richardson
Is he a IRL shitposter or does he actually have a platform?
Ethan Nguyen
His platform is weak outside of "Let's not be dicks to Russia but we want Donbass and Crimea back", so it remains to be seen what he will do.
Lucas Davis
Well, judging by how things are going in Lithuania with the oligarch-run Peasant-Green party in power, that could be best described as centrist-populist with anti-any-kind-of-ideological characteristics, and Zelensky looking really similar to them, Ukraine will likely see a little bit less bloodshed but will become pretty much ancapistan-lite.
Gabriel Parker
Another Lithuanian?
Jace Ross
Yes, sadly
Nicholas Mitchell
Wow. How long have you been browsing here?
Ian Walker
About a month give or take, but I would say that I was far-left for about 1 or 2 years now. Though I'm not an ML like most people here, most likely would fall under syndicalism.
Alexander Reed
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Nathan Morris
Cool. Nice to meet you.
Logan Robinson
Big if true
Ryan Harris
He says he wants more referendums, and has promised that he will not join the EU/NATO without a referendum. Nothing beyond basic bitch populism really but still.
Logan Cook
Adam Brooks
Ukrainians deserves another Holodomor
Camden Evans
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They're fucking debating at eachother Scott Pilgrim Evil Exes 5 & 6 style. What the actual fuc.
Levi Ortiz
This is going to end up like Italy, where a comedian won and became corrupt, isn't it.
Joshua Baker
Can't get worse than what they have right now.
John Barnes
*the first
Nolan Harris
Yes. Oh what will poor till now uncorrupt Ukraine do about it.
Carson Thomas
Tbf that isn't quite what happened in Italy, one of the founders of the party died, and the other was basically sidelined by conspiracy nuts and right-sycophants.
As I've put, Zelensky can turn-out three ways: he will be a weak puppet president that will likely lead to Ukraine becoming a parliamentary republic by default, he will be an effective tool for specific oligarchs that will only continue Ukraine's decline, or he will be a reformist that; due to his russkije heritage, will unite Ukraine behind a new civic notion and heal the wounds of the Russian east and Nationalist West. Only time will tell.
Daniel Miller
Italy fucked up because said Comedian didn't win a majority and decided to govern with Lega Nord, which has managed to cuck the comedians party and not only dominate the policy conversation for their far right policies but also use them to shoot up in popularity. 5 star is just one fuck up away from the lib dem treatment
Angel Thomas
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Turnout increased vs the first round and 2014 election. Weird for the second round of an election.
Anthony Torres
Lamo the second highest turnout regione is Luhansk.
Jacob Walker
Ukraine will be integrated into the Russian SFSR as the Novorossiya ASSR and the Malorossiya ASSR.
Logan Roberts
Is Zelensky Khmer Rouge Gang?
Samuel Jones
I posted some shit about the election in the *honk honk* thread since it's more active now.
Jason Butler
Poroshenko is a total faggot.
tanks can thank me for editing Crimea out of Ukraine
Luke Murphy
I dunno exactly what to make of him. People don't simply get "elected" in Ukraine it's a country where literally ONE MAN controls close to 50% of GDP and 5 others control the rest it's beyond markets, democracy capitalism, monopoly and feudalism at this point this is next level shit and yet it's "democratic" and unpredictable unlike Russia which is a dictatorship there's no one group or one Oligarch with a monopoly on power. He's probably a shill for oligarchs like Kolomoisky he has zero experience and is literally a fucking clown who is about to enter a Game Of Thrones type of world of murder and geopolitical intrigue.
For one his victory is in some way a Victory for Putin since the narrative of Russian state media about Ukraine has been partially vindicated. People hated Poroshenko so fucking much they elected a clown jew with no programme or party simply because he's not Poroshenko. Since 2014 the situation has gotten worse, the people got poorer, the reforms failed, and shit became shittier. This is a failure of the Western establishment since they seemingly had no idea what the fuck was going on inside Ukraine all this time. The fact that Poroshenko only got the Lvov oblast shows that the entire bandera Galich SS battalion larp they had going for them was entirely the ideology of Western Ukraine and only the Lvov Oblast in particular. The fact of the matter is most Ukranians speak Russian and they can't and don't want to speak Ukranian in schools and when dealing with government services there aren't may Ukranian speaking teachers professors or textbooks thus the quality of education and everything quickly went to shit. Another thing the Western establishment didn't quite realize was that since most Ukranians speak Russian and not Ukranian and not English or any other language they are still subjected to the entire Russian narrative on Ukraine even though Russian TV and Russian Websites are banned Google is definitely not banned Russian state propaganda is hosted all over Youtube for example and gets tens of millions of views per video.
On the other hand while Ukraine broadly doesn't want war the idea that it will jump back into Russia's orbit and forget about the annexation of Crimea and the bloodbath on Donbass also won't happen if anything those conflicts will be frozen like it happened in Georgia and Moldova which is what Putin is going for.
Since a clown got elected and there was a pro clown and anti-Poroshenko media campaign in the Ukranian media with most channels being anti-Poroshenko the question becomes who is responsible and it's not Putin who doesn't control Ukrainian media and it's not the West since they have no interest in a clown president undermining their entire narrative. The media that supported clown was oligarch owned particularly Kolomoisky and Akhmetov and we can assume that the are now in charge of Ukraine. These people only have one interest and that's pillaging and looting Ukraine they will try to play both sides the West and Russia while keeping the status quo they don't want Ukraine to actually become "|Western" with rule of law and regulations and shit because they literally own everything and are above the law likewise under Putin they would also get either crushed or neutered and removed from having political power so what will happen is that shit will stay as it is with the population getting poorer and things getting worse even more with maybe less open conflict and less Bandera type larp although once Zelensky ultimately fails to deliver the nationalists far right in Ukraine will go after him and it will be openly anti-semetic and zealous at that point
Tyler Green
One thing I find interesting about the Ukraine-Russia war is it's very postmodern. It's not even a war between states or a war between Ukraine and the rebels it's a civil war within what used to be the soviet union for people who talk about Civil war in the US it likely play out like this 90% of the war is fought in the information sphere on the internet milllions of ukranian and Russian shitposters and normie posters have massive flame wars, they all mostly speak the same language Russian State media and Ukranian media pour shit on one another and have media figures from both sides go on each other's programs and yell at each other This gets massive ratings and is there not as news or political media anymore but as entertainment. This is happening while there is low level conflict and while trade Investments and diplomatic relations and migration stays the same or grows