Arguments you're tired of seeing other leftists use

Marginalized groups needing reparations.

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Referring more to "left" twitter with that point about "blog posts". Pretty much any PSL article is like this as well.

Two things.

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The one leftist who really stuck in my craw over the past few years was this "egoist-anarchist" guy named "Dr. Bones" who later got ran off the internet for being a sex pest. What bothered me about him was this fetishization of violence and insurgency that was a running theme in his articles and his whole persona. The articles have been scrubbed but he'd write things for Gods & Radicals (I think) that was about how meaning in the universe is found in the beauty of car bombs or something insane like that. People might dismiss that as edge but it's a very dangerous, stupid and selfish mentality that will destroy your movement. The fact is, most people in the world who experience warfare don't have a choice in the matter – it's something that happens to them. And most victims of warfare are civilians like children and the elderly who are going about their day or chilling in their apartment. There's a bright flash and now they're blinded for life, or have been ripped into little pieces; the whole family is wiped out except for their 11-year-old daughter who survives but loses an arm in the process. Be careful what you wish for.

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Leftists groups seem to opportunistically prey on people's paranoias and anxieties in a reactive way that inhibits their ability to think and act like Marxists. When Trump launched some missiles at Syria, left discussion online was suddenly overrun by people hyperventilating about World War III starting, when in actual fact Trump had just showed his dick to the world and didn't accomplish any of his goals. That was actually a forseeable outcome if you had paid attention and thought critically about the situation, but I think leftists see this playing on people's fears as justified because they can turn people against the empire this way. That may be justifiable, actually, but a lot of leftists seem to bounce from crisis to crisis which takes a serious emotional toll. But if you go to your local ML party they'd be like "well, comrade, the crisis is accelerating!" But sometimes I want to shout "for fuck's sake, whenever I'm around you, when is the crisis not accelerating!?"

Scandinavia.

abolishing value takes a long time. If you are in the process of doing it you are doing communism

the only two revolutions which have succeeded in any level of "real communism" are Maoist China, Revolutionary Catalonia and one big US military base in Syria

Just going to leave this here for anons because it seems relevant and is an opportunity to practice on a not Zig Forums board
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Communists should let people be gay and use drugs without repercussion

Allende was a good example of how we should do things

First response literally vuvuzela tier. You'd think people on 4chan wouldn't use such tired and normie tier arguments but oh well. Looks like we've gone full circle, I've never used /lit/ before but maybe shit like that has been the norm for a long time.

s.ocially conservative = actually reactionary

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its actually social liberalism = reactionary

What's your problem with gay people? At least I can see why people wouldn't wanna decriminalize drugs, but being against dude's kissing each other is spooked moralism and doesn't make any sense.

homosexuality is unhealthy for a population.

you're oversimplifying homosexuality and its ramifications.
Also thinking any sort of sexuality should be allowed despite the tremendous negativity that surrounds it IS spooked moralism.

why

what are they

He wasn't but he showed it's possible to go that way.

pic related

see above

more like a good way to fail

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uhh

Are you going to post pinoshit memes now?

he is a Zig Forums false flagger

sorry here

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I mean, yeah, basically. "not liking" an entire arbitrarily selected group of people is pretty much Zig Forums's MO

whats with the obsession with pol

it's shorthand for the various short bus warming failures that make up the right

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Nobody is calling you faggots evil, just autistic

You're just shouting pol at anyone you disagree with

I'm not disagreeing, nor am I holding this against anyone. And arguably even the ones here weren't capable of maintaining it in a stable society for an extended period.

If you walk like a faggot, talk like a faggot, and fuck other guys like a faggot, guess what that makes you, faggot.

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I wish there was a way to PM because I could spend days talking shit about Dr bones lol

lets just assume you are correct and being gay is something to be got rid of. Its completely retarded but lets assume.

When and where has banning homosexuality etc been a success in its aims and not just a complete waste of resources that could have been used to change the material conditions of capitalism?

This is true, we definitely need to change praxis to keep in line with lessons learned from history and to fit current material conditions which would make communisation much more feasible.

40%. Luckily it's reddit-tier at most, but it's an unintelligent and largely refuted statistic that proves or argues nothing except showing that the extent of whoever parroted it's leftist knowledge is listening to chapotraphouse circlejerk.

When "leftists" shill for continued american hegemony and decry china + russia at every opportunity.

Saudi arabia, Iran, today.
USSR under stalin.

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i dont think being gay is a problem but when people use it to say stalin or other leftist regiemes were "authoritarian" i just feel they are arguing from bad faith and dont have any idea of Marxism- leninisim works look at cuba for a better example of a regieme that has reconsidered their intial stances on LGBTQIA+ rights i also just feel like anachists just wanna do drugs larp and not actually do shit all day but thats probs my own hangups

BTW im psure homosexuality is technically illegal in alot of areas of the usa its just not enforced so when i hear "oh the ussr suppressed le gays" im like "who didn't back then" (dosent justify it but if we are just always gonna act like saints with 30/30 hindsight its realy obnoxious)

it appears another stupid argument over id pol has occured i think idpol is valid i just dont like when Succ dems or anarkiddies try to weaponize this aspect of the ussr for the use of their own propganda and endoctrination.

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The USSR was authoritarian that doesn't mean its a bad thing

IDpol distracts from class struggle

One of the ironies of homophobic Stalinists is that the early gay rights activists in the U.S. were communists who used Stalin's definition of national minorities to define gay people as a distinct minority and interest group – this contribute to the formation of an independent gay identity and the modern gay rights movement.

Thanks Stalin!

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Why the fuck would you think it was a good idea to post that?

We don't throw you under the bus, we just help introduce you to people at parties. We need smart kids to help us with our homework but then you need us to meet girls. Gamers rise up

Then you are fuckin dumb. The law of value is literally that we have to manage our labor time, as it is a limited resource.

A separate gay identity that is distinct from wider society is a bad idea and should probably be suppressed by force post-revolution.
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Wtf, Marxist-Leninism is a revision of Trotskyism.

Honestly who even cares about labor hours and all that gay shit when in the modern age, of such advanced productive forces, and the general rapidly-accelerating development of them with this, we could just push for machines to do everything and have an absolute minimal amount of people overseeing them.

Doesn't sound practical. We should keep socialism separate from this kind of shit.
Not that I disagree. "Sexual orientation" should be abandoned as a concept. There's no reason for people to rigidly identify with sexual attraction to a specific group of people.

It's impossible to make any argument without moralizing at least a little bit, though. Even an argument of pure self-interest has some level of pathos.

2 + 2 = 4
The sum of two sets of two things is four things because the rule of addition.
Does this have pathos?

So since banning being gay they have managed to get rid of gays? Also they got rid of gays in the ussr?

also absolute LOL one of your answers is Saudi Arabia, that should tell you where about you are coming from, probably one of the most utterly reactionary places on earth

Well I certainly identify as rigid during a sexual attraction, if you get what I'm saying.

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Trots should be shot

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Oh god not this one. Literally everyone who says that is a libcuck.

Do it in the thread you wannabe-circlejerking cockhead. Dr. Bones said and did and represented so much of what's wrong with modern leftism that he's perfectly relevant to the thread.

The immediate cause for the ban on homosexuality seems to have been a report made by NKVD chief Yagoda claiming clandestine anti-Soviet activities on the part of many homosexuals and asking that a law be made to deal with this supposed threat. Stalin concurred.

When it came to abortion, however, its restriction was actually portrayed as a fulfillment of Lenin-era policy. To quote one author (Pat Sloan, Soviet Democracy, 1937, pp. 125-126):

Needless to say, the notion that Soviet women had no more need to recourse to abortion was erroneous (plenty continued to do so illegally), and abortion was thus relegalized after Stalin's death.

I put the abortion part to make it seem clear sometimes the soviets took decisions for no fucking reason.

Imagine hating gay people for literally no reason at all what-so-ever because you are a materialist, and arguing about it endlessly.

Dude, just be gay already, no one fucking cares anymore, get out of the closet you constructed for yourself.

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you know you are going to get that "uh you hate spiders you must want to fuck them" pic posted every time you bring up that argument

Do people say that even though spiders evolutionary scare you because we've learned that they can kill you?

Could you make a thread or post more about this? I would be interested to know more

The "100 companies cause 70% of global carbon emissions" meme. First of all, it is only 70%of INDUSTRIAL emissions in the study, which accounts for like 15% of the total. Second, those companies manufacture things that we need, and we depend on their production.

To be fair, it's a shitty argument that doesn't address any anti-homosexual's viewpoints and is just a disguised ad hominem.

I'd wager most people on this board are materialists (ya know, like Marx) and pro-LGBT.

To no one in particular, homosexuality is a way the brain is wired, so it doesn't matter how much evidence you've supposedly gathered to prove they have a higher rate of STD or suicide or whatever. They literally can't change how they are, so demonizing or making it illegal or labeling it a mental-illness does no one any good and further compounds problems within the homosexual "community". The answer should be to promote better mental and sexual education and more access to healthcare; even if you are anti-homosexual or believe it to be an inferior way of life, it's never going away and trying to do so is an exercise in futility while wasting money and resources that could better be used in the process.

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Your brain on moralism, ladies and gentlemen.

1) Immigration doesn't threaten your job, automation does.

That's not the limit of their worries. It's not that immigration makes them fear being replaced. It's knowing that they're easy to replace that makes them fear immigration. Their jobs might not be taken away but their rights, benefits and wages will. Check Paul Cockshott on how immigration affects rate of exploitation.

2) Shit's unjust, and we need to redistribute resources more fairly.

No. I mean yes, but that's not the point. We need to pay workers by the value they generate, instead of the value it takes to reproduce their labour.

To do this, we'll need a planned economy and that (and some other things) requires redistribution, but redistribution is not the grand idea behind socialism.

I see Leftists talk about redistribution fucking constantly and it's a terrible mistake. The average worker doesn't want shit to be taken from someone else and given to him. To justify this you'll need to argue on an incredibly abstract level, while you could be talking about how they just should be payed their "fair share".

Say what you want about Orwell, but I think he hit on something real when he said we should talk less of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, and more about the robbers and the robbed.

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No it isn’t, like all things, sexual attraction is caused by material conditions.

To any Mods reading this, I’m not saying homosexuality is inherently bad or sinful, or some spooky shit. But the idea that people are born a certain way and that it can never be changed is also a spook.

The concept of sexual orientation is the real spook.

Transvestites are actual women.

Are genetics (or factors during embryonic development) not material conditions? It's as simple as 100% nature, but it's most certainly not 100% nurture. This isn't about homosexuality, but I'll give you some related literature on behavior not that you'll actually read it though :^.

Are you seriously arguing for a total human tabula rasa?

I guess mental conditions like autism and down syndrome must be curable then!

*not as simple

Also called "fully operating in accordance with the law of value"

No it isn’t. Upbringing and a person’s contemporary life affects them more than genetics.

People who say this are literally parroting conservative talking points

Able bodied people who choose not to work should be supported by the state.

Yes absolutely this one, it's the dumbest gotcha argument in the world, just a pure accusation of moral hypocrisy with no real appeal to material interests. Anyone with 1/2 a brain will just think OK then I guess we should just bar all foreign migrants like the natives should have.

Seriously, this is retarded, unironically "he who does not work shall not eat"

Really though, at the end of the day, homosexuality is just wanting to fuck the same sex, why would you give any shit about that unless you have an already established non-material bias against them, who actually gives a fuck if someone fucks the wrong half of the population.

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No, it's ours.

too lazy to photoshop a stalin face on jesus

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Does North Korea have Pride Parades and government sex changes?

Most likely not. Of course they're very different culturally, but I think the point is that there's a weird tendency among some leftists of defending Cuba but denouncing most/all other ML states for being "communists", "Stalinists", etc. when Cuba adopted the same economic and political model as those countries. Cuba has more commonalities than differences with the other ML states.

Faggots are STD-ridden disease vectors and pedophiles. They can kill you and molest your children.

A priest is more likely to do that however.

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I don't buy that.
Why aren't babies scared of spiders?
Why aren't we scared of lions in the same way?
Spiders are creepy because they look like they're always ready to pounce, and they skitter around unpredictably with their many legs.

Faggotry doesn't lead to STDs, buttsex does, which is more prevalent among faggots for obvious reasons.
Lol.
So can a dolphin.

Any time a leftist posts a quote of Joseph Stalin. Like, are you just trying to scare people away?

Ehh, for historical context it's alright. I think ☭TANKIE☭s are aspies tho.