Dismantling the system and starting over

Yes, and start reading Chilean history a lot instead of being USSR nerds.

Imagine thinking that a thread asking larpers what they'd do for REAL is larping itself

You are probably right, but moderates still suck ass

RTFM
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How are we supposed to work with moderates exactly?

I live in brazil and i shiver at the ammount of people that would need to be relocated from favelas and shitty roadside towns in case of a revolution. It would be a hell of a project.

Yellow Vests are proving you wrong

That’s the kind of thing where a more incremental approach is a good solution. Doing it instantaneously would be logistically impossible.

If you want a crisis of capitalism to kickstart a revolution in the capitalist West, ban immigration and wait 5-10 years.

There is no such thing as moderates

t. fishhook theory

Protests=/=Armed revolution
And yellow vests is also not a communist movement.

The most important sector for our economy is agriculture. Also, the most exploitative relations happen on contryside, where slavery and vassalage still do exist.

Revolution in Brazil would begin with the peasantry.

VIVA A REVOLUÇÃO AGRÁRIA

That first pic is pretty bad ass. What protest is it from?

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I forget where I found it from. Literally just looked for anarchy pics with fire and shit lmao. Looks like Ukrainian protests.

This. If a general leftist/center-left coalition doesn't help us, there will never be a chance for us to seize power in the aftermath… let alone win in the first place. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Theory is a better approach than opportunistic short-termism.

Considering the flag and the camera quality: gonna say Euromaidan.

No, I'm talking about some of the russian separatists and international volunteers fighting against ukrainian fascists in Donbass/Donetsk.

It's from the FASCIST uprising in Ukraine. That's right up an anarchist's alley.

Personally, I can't imagine a communist revolution being successful in America. I think the only option for the first world is pushing the overton window left.

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Excellent post, comrade!

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All of the Ifs in this need a solid why. The why's paint a pretty optimistic picture.

A mass movement that is able to tear down capitalism has essentially stormed all the trenches of the bourgeoisie. What you're talking about sounds more like a coup or a political revolution. Let's say for the sake of Argument it's a victorious revolutioin in the context of the global class war. I'm going to use my country of NZ as an example, because I've thought about it alot and also because as a developed island anglo nation of about 4 and a half million it's a diffcult and anomalous kind of revolution to have and the stakes are very high, because embargo and sanctions can send us back twenty years.

Yes, we can imagine that China would support the revolutionary regime. On what basis do we buiild a society based on need?

Some basic tenets of a transitional program would

- Nationalisation of Banks and assets to prevent capital flight
- The application of Labour accounting heading into the future a la Cokcshott, internationally such a system may be ratified across our trading partners only assuming that the Bank of China and other 'multilateral' financial institutions accepts this kind of evaluation as a tradeable currency form. For the purposes of foreign trade and foreign access, it's circulatable within this trading block, we now have a dual economy of credit that would primarily access what the labour amount our country is able to gain for itself via domestic production and the corresponding value of our exports in foreign currency to what we can import (we can't assume it's purchasing parity without doing some big boi calculations) but we could safely assume that being cut off from the US dollar means our arms are again very short and foreign currency may be favoured for foreign goods because of the parity disparity (this is a bad situation).

The saving grace of this is that the seizure of Assets and redistribution of wealth and incomes means that the average working person will still have access to far more value than we had before, life will improve.

- Green infrastructure projects, labour/emissions evaluated with organised scaled labour. Since 2014 our Construction sector has goten gud because on top of increasing practice standards/tools it's had to commit to big shitey housing projects and meagre transportation projects as our major centres have swelled. The seizure of supercranes etc. also means Green, clean and actually safe urban housing projects and decent planning With help and probably a Loan/collaboration with China we could look at high speed rail that would be relatively cheap considering our country spans barely 1.6 thousand K's.

- Free education, Free healthcare etc, our oharms are generic and mostly come from the Asia, pacific India, with some manufactured here.

The best point Marx made is that production is in a huge way, already socialised, but Capitalist relations will always place a limit on the extent to which it can be further socialised. We already have a base to build on, If you look at how Industry supply chains and contracting looks, you'll throw your head through the monitor at how easier/better it would be with organised labour/machine investment and the parasitic assortment of managers/head office bods (glorified finance/admin people essentially) and investors are thrown off. (1/1)

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The fun point here is the Geopolitics however so let's look at that. Going Back to this newly arrived society building communism we can assume basically a few things.

- Accross the ditch in OZ there is at least some element of a revived class struggle. One of the elements of class struggle is that there are pitched positions of the different social formations that take some sort of side in the class war. The lack of a consensus in a neoliberal society where classes are at war with itself will let capitalist logic follow through, unless there is a significant syncretic, crypto or fascist movement with the means to shutdown trade, no one's going to stop trading, because the loss of an entire market (particularly a major trading partner) will hurt profitability and further exacerbate the crisis that threatens at home in which case they have lost, it's either let the fascists in pivot to America/phillipines/japan or hope things settle down and trade resumes. Because The reds, the geese and the State has itself in check, it's generally the market that decides the level of isolation we would have.

I honestly think it would be pretty difficult in our circumstance to have the American empire try another unipolar sanction attack against us. The moderates are going to cry because we're white, we don't trade that much with them and they're really forcing a conflict of interest with people who don't want large scale confrontation or to be pushed around on their national interests.

In fact the financial reforms mentioned before may even put a Labour/union friendly government to ratify the new accounting methods in it's own financial apparatus and pivot towards china/the east, destroying the unipolar global consensus on some sort of deal that Australian assets/nationals are returned to It's parent banks and a new Asia Pacific economic strategy is ratified (or something like that. This kinda depends on South Africa and Britain, but a possible future could be a post-brexit social commonwealth forming.

Although I'll admit this is unlikely, it's still possible.

Annexing Territory in the class war, in a World where Imperialism is reaching it's limits and requires somewhere to offset excess capital (something we're famous for) exacerbates the crisis and forces the Imperialists to respond to the heightened contradictions that lost profitability creates and forces a decision on how to redivide their current market territory, it can lead to War, shifting alliances, austerity at home, and resurgent fascism to take the reigns and save capitalism from it's own logic through anti-capitalist capital accumulation. But the important part is that neoliberal nations in crisis find it increasingly harder to fight a global class war on it's own and every single trench taken digs their grave even further. The future that follows this kind of thing would be a weird, syncretic, pluralistic, molecular, deterritorialised fuck-mess.

I don't entirely disagree that you're going to see the fascistic-corporatist beast rip it's mask off and try to consolidate itself when the class movement looks like a real threat.

But Revolution is possible, plannable, necessary and winnable comrade.

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But there are significant communist elements in the GJ, the French Maoist Party, for example

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You shouldn't, China is an active counterrevolutionary agent in both India and the Philippines, so there's no reason they'd support a communist New Zealand