wait I thought they were starving, now you're saying China is feeding them? which one is it?
prisons have existed for thousands of years almost as long has human have committed trespasses against one another this is no different from any other prison except here their labor is used to benefit society as a whole. It is better to work off your debt to society you made by the crime you committed through labor that benefits society as a whole rather than sit in a cell.
Freedom is subjective. If the North Koreans do not have freedom of speech then they have to freedom to live in a society free of reaction. In the US we have freedom of speech but then as a result are forced to live in the hot bed of reaction
Hey my man I used to be just like you, eating up Yankee propaganda about the good I'm DPRK, but then I read the massive ongoing thread we have dedicated to debunking such things. Skim this shit for like an hour a day and I guarantee it will change your life 8ch.net/leftypol/res/2265496.html
Benjamin Nelson
the open secret is that to some leftists, critical support becomes uncritical support inb4 banned for imperialism North Korea isn't the best example of succesful socialism, and it's true that defending it at every turn is pretty shit praxis and optics. We should rather point to other examples, or just make it clear that like capitalist regimes, socialist regimes vary in performance and quality, and that socialism is more of a process towards a better future rather than a magic fix into utopia). That said, North Korea being shitty is no excuse for the U.S. to perform imperialistic brinkmanship with both NK and China in the entire East Asia region. Tbh, the sooner the burgers realize that their position in East Asia can't last forever, the better for everyone.
Luke Hill
(I'm not that guy I'm the one defending North Korea btw) I'd say defending anything at every turn is bad not just the DPRK.
Kayden Ortiz
True, it's just that North Korea along with Cambodia is oftern displayed as the posterchildren of the 'leftism gone wrong'-narrative. Seems smarter to just shift the narrative over to the success stories such as the USSR, a rule that's actually missed today by a substantial amount of the population (and which you can easily favourably compare to the chaos following it's dissolution and today's corrupt mob-rule in much of the former SSRs)
Lincoln Jenkins
Pic related was posted on leftypol a while ago
the left should focus on the success of this failed regimes and use their successes and failure as building blocks for future Communist movements
Amnesty International has no credibility whatsoever, they have been exposed repeatedly for example in the all Syrian charade. They are liars that serve western imperialism.
Kayden Foster
I agree
But do you have sources on that so I could save for future debates?
What they import from China is a tiny fraction compared to what they produce on their own. They could produce a lot more if it weren't for the sanctions on oil and fuel, which China votes in favor of. They have prisons like every other country but these aren't Nazi death camps. The only "proof" they give us are satellite photos of rectangular buildings which could be anything, and testimonies of celebrity defectors who are literally paid to lie. The narrative regarding these supposed camps is also highly contradictory. For example one source may say that there is a three generation punishment where people are born in the camps, while the other source claims that all pregnant prisoners and their children are killed. And there are in fact DPRK defectors who want to go back and actually defend the DPRK after having lived in the ROK, yet they are almost never reported on and some are even thrown into prison by ROK authorities. youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0