/leftybritpol/ Make Britain Wessex Again

Some of them yeah, this is what happened in 2017.

Amsterdam will replace London as the centre of finance when Amsterdam becomes a weird city-state where you can legally launder mondey because you have Aldermen elected by companies. Until then, nah.
There is some capital flight mind, but it's mostly going to Dublin.

Does everyone on Zig Forums share the same hatred for white women as Zig Forums? Genuine question. Apologies if I’ve offended anyone.

No, but not sure what this has to do with british politics…

It has to do with everything.

then put it in the internet shit thread.

sounds like Amsterdam really

Except the City of London literally is that. It's not an accident it become the financial capital of Europe, it is due to its unique governmental system.

(me)
Also should be noted that some of them are Green protest votes that are repatriating.

hey finally a tory policy i unironically agree with 100%
friendship ended with reheated social democracy now blairism is my new friend

Nah a lot probably went to Brexit probably. Honestly susprised to see Brexit and UKIP in different European groups

Well nUKIP and BXT are basically the two wings of modern right-wing populism: the ethnonationalist and civic nationalist branches. Hence the Civic Nat branch goes into EFDD, and likely into ECR after the EU elections, and the Ethnonat lot joins the ENF.

Tbh, can't wait for Punished Miliband to enter into a socialist Labour Cabinet. Would make a good foreign sec tbh.

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They'll make it as hard as they can if we get a hard Brexit (unlikely as it is) because otherwise it will encourage others

I can't see the City of London allowing that to any great degree. They have the privilege of being a city state which is extremely attractive to financiers and has been exploited for hundreds of years. In fact, they may flourish again because they will be free of some of the EU's restrictions

sometimes i wonder if the problem with this country is that nobody ever leaves the mindset of half-arsing things for uni.
the half-arsing government minister reads his half-arsed policy document cited from sources the author knows are unreliable but easier to churn out text to than searching for the truth, the same approach those sources took with their sources, and so on and so on until whatever point on the past people used to actually care and try.

and then, naturally, i cite the same half-arsed policy documents in my 2 days late essay, telling myself i'll never do it again. and of course i won't. not until the next time.

kinda surprised the UKIP voters mostly went to Labour.
I hope this happens just to make Brexiteers panic and spook May hardcore

So they're calling themselves ChUK, not CUK? Has that unbelievable egotist named the party after himself?

ChUK's suck'n'fuck
formerly: The SDP/Liberal Alliance

That's not quite the movement (beware seeing shrinking bars and growing bars and thinking they are direct links) but still.
Also apparently Labour would put the S&D into the role of EU president: unironically Corbyn could cuck Juncker the geriatric cunt.

Nah that's just what UK elects calls them.

Please, the SDP were to the left of Blair and had principles.

Why is it that Leave has to win several times in order to be implemented, but Remain only has to win once? Why is no-deal to be kept off the ballot paper, even though it's the most popular form of Brexit? Why even have Remain on the ballot paper, when it's already been rejected? It would be far more democratic to have a simple run-off between the various forms of Brexit. And this isn't even bringing up the obvious bad faith of this stuff being put forward by people who never wanted the 2016 referendum to start with and only want a referendum now so they can reverse the first one. I presume that none of them would agree to a third referendum if Remain wins the second one, even though the public may of course change their mind again.

this isn't strictly true though. if remain wins again, those in favour of leaving are free to campaign for a third referendum. at some point you hit a sense of fatigue or approach self-parody, but it's not like losing a second independence referendum would kill the SNP forever either.

there's something about real political power lurking in this analysis tbh. the sort of intertia and balance of forces at play that reveal the really relevant thing isn't murmuring about the ethics of holding votes.

Yeah but if they were consistent, People's Voters would be fine with a third referendum in another few years, to check that the people still wanted to remain in the EU. In reality they would be aghast. They pretty much expect Leave voters to shut up and fuck off once the second referendum produces the correct result (in fact they're gleefully looking forward to this)..

IMO from a pragmatic standpoint it may be best that Corbyn offers a second ref, but only if it is on his version of Brexit. This is purely because passing anything, be it a hard, soft, or no brexit through parliament, will be pretty controversial and damaging. However saying "We want this deal, we are willing to put it to the public for ascension" is more sound politically, and also you can frame it as "this deal or something else", not necessarily "this deal vs remain".
Still, that's just my opinion. Should be noted that such a confirmatory referendum would not be out-of-place in most European countries.

I respect EFDD far more than ENF due to former being the most vehemently resistant to Article 13. ENF is honestly just upset that EU is fucking things up their way.

Tbf the EFDD is mostly a meme at this point: both the AfD and M5S are leaving to found their own groups.

Well it was fun while it lasted. EFDD was the only group that wanted EU to crash and burn.

Well a load of the EFDD members are going with M5S to form their own meme syncratic soft eurosceptic group so that could be funny.

Seems unlikely. I live in a Labour stronghold but everyone I know, including myself, intends to vote UKIP if we are dragged into an EU election.

Is this peak Guardian? Under the irony it's basically just calling Leave voters racist scum.
theguardian.com/culture/2019/apr/10/militias-chaos-starvation-britain-10-years-after-brexit-jonathan-meades

Labour is being run by the People's Vote crowd now and they all want Remain or bust. That's why they always say 'with Remain on the ballot paper' whenever they refer to a second referendum. IIRC the left of the party has discussed having a referendum without Remain or a referendum with multiple Leave options, but it's never got anywhere. Corbyn is doing a good job of stalling but ultimately he's signed up to Starmer's 'six tests' which make any possible deal unacceptable to Labour and therefore oblige Labour to back Remain.

Just put more options on the ballot, so nothing gets 50%+1 vote

shouldn't have said mostly as Im not some brainlet who doesn't realize its not direct transfers 100% of the time. but even considering shifts from say the tories to labour like 5-9% of UKIPs loss went back to Labour, which Im still surprised by.

Is there any economically left wing ideology that not only allows old fashioned social views but actively encourages them?

There's Blue Labour or the SDP party if you want Left Wing economics and actually reactionary/communitarian views. But for ideology I guess S.trasserism might apply?

Strasserism might a good option. I like their views on jews. I'll have to do more research before I embrace it though. The SDP might be ok as well. Perhaps a bit too centrist on economics and they don't really go far enough on the immigration issue. Give me some examples of Blue Labour? I recently heard of Eddie Dempsey and watched his speech at the Labour Leave conference and he seems a decent lad. The issue with anything Labour is having to associate with cunts. Most Labour voters I know are good people but the party membership and especially the MPs are cancer.

If you're interested in Blue Labour, they have their own website with info about them plus they have some stuff on social media. I'm sure with some searching around you can find the PDFs of their books. Also yeah Labour has an infestation of Blairite and FBPE melts, I wish they'd leave for the Lib Dems or CUKs

Oh, that's what happened in 2017 tbh.

Blue Labour, here's a primer:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Labour

Yeah the issue with the party membership is that it is made of activists, while the new intake under Corbyn was mostly working class there was a large number of returners. If I were Labour party gen sec I would push for safe seat voters and trade union members to join wholesale.

They've just agreed to extend Brexit again until 31st October, with every extension you already know parliament is getting closer and closer to revoking article 50. The melts at r/ukpolitics aren't even hiding their intentions

Should be noted that the UK can leave when it wants, the extension is about the hard cap at the end.

They're just going to extend brexit, and due to this Theresa May has an excuse to keep being around for fucking ever, because it's "an emergency".

Thanks lads. They seem like an appropriate group for me but i'll certainly need to read more. Easier said than done after working a nine hours and fulfilling social obligations/responsibilities but i'll find the time. I live in a safe Labour constituency but i'm not a big fan of the MP. She isn't going with the FPBE types for fear of the Leave majority but is a Blairite at heart. The local activists are definitely an issue. I'd love to see a return to a working class membership.

why not just say racism, antisemitism and homophobia

Wtf Scargill is still alive?

In 2469 the sentient program eMay and its robovessel, full emissaries of the British caliphate wielding power both temporal and spiritual arrive into nuBXL, capital of the European Transunion. In the background holographic fireworks celebrate the 450th anniversary of Br3xit.
D0nald T3sk XXVII "the debonair", sublime chairman of the Transunion and his loyal mandarin Cybarnier recieve them in the palace of hard light, the jewel of Neoversailles. Solemnly eMay is granted another year's extension to the Br3xit process. As it was, is and forever shall be.

Congratulation, Corbyn you fat dyke. Everyone really wished for a second referendum.

WHO'S HYPED FOR HALLOWEEN BREXIT???

Brits are faggy as fuck, I really don't feel bad about this fucking the pommy cunts over

the only thing i want in life is to be an australian or new zealander tbh
lie awake at night with paranoid daydreams of doing all the paperwork and losing my accent only to still be rejected for the one thing i can't manipulate: birthplace. nightmares of naturalisation as a door that closed to those born after say the 80s unless they moved over as children.

nightmare scenario.

Well Assange has been arrested, apparently the Ecuadorean embassy invited the MET in.

heh

Why use your enemies language?

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Mate if you're young and you have some sort of degree the Aussies will let you in faster than you can say "skin cancer at 35".

Here's betting he doesn't get extradited.

Foreign Sec has confirmed this is on behalf of the fucking yanks.

RRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So is the People's Vote finally kill, thanks to the briefness of this extension? Or would we be able to get yet another extension if it was to give time for a referendum?

Nah, this extension gives just enough time for a second referendum. But the movement itself is kill tbh.

If you truly were a communist first you'd be able to show solidarity with people you dislike or hate because that is how you make gains politically. I personally don't give a shit if you are a racist, sexist or whatever but if you bring that shit out into the open and allow it to colour your communist praxis then me and many others are damn sure going to resist you. The fact that you're looking to ingratiate yourself into what is essentially a subculture so that you don't have to deal with this makes me doubt your commitment. You can personally hold reactionary social views whilst also working on an anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobia etc platform, if you truly are a pragmatist and fully dedicated to achieving communism.

I think the EU has made a mistake here tbh. This extension is so short that we don't have the time or breathing space to do any of the things that might resolve the problem. We probably won't even be able to get rid of May.

What are you talking about it's like 6 months. We can do an election in 6 weeks.

to fuck an american woman, just offer her some fast food.

my shock. imagine it.

That won't happen without something changing first. The Tories would have to dispose of May for one thing.

You're right but still.
Apparently May is gonna try and pass the WA with labour support next time, will be interesting to see how that goes.

Also pic related, 1% for the CUKs.

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Putting these numbers into electoral calculus I got labour having around 305 seats and the Tories with only 268 seats. Yeah with these polling figures I don't see a general election anytime soon, it'd be suicidal for the Tories.

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Honestly we're gonna see a Lab-SNP gov aren't we? I just hope they don't try to block renationalisation.

I suspect the SNP would try to sabotage Labour without appearing to do so. A competent UK government with majority support in Scotland would be very bad for their main goal of independence.

Ironic

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I dunno, it's a convenient excuse for not holding an indyref "Oh well we tried but we couldn't get one from Labour", also Westminster giving Holyrood more funding would help the SNP keep power so it may work out.

Quite the opposite. Its supporters would say 'you could have demanded anything from Corbyn as a condition of putting him in Number 10, and you didn't ask for that!?'. Just like the Lib Dems were crucified for getting so little from the Tories.

I mean the SNP don't want one rn, and putting the blame on Labour will be enough for the activist base.

All these new polls are pretty wacky.

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newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2019/04/local-elections-2019-labour-run-hartlepool-attempts-coup-against
Critically support The Fabians in their fight against Blairite imperialism

Not racist just don't like them. The fact is the capitalist class are the ones pushing a failed multiculturalism agenda in order to continue to import cheap labour. I live in Burnley and work in Blackburn so if you would like to see what mass immigration has brought to my doorstep then come up and i'll show you around. Its hurt families, it's hurt workers and broken sections of the community. I don't necessarily blame the immigrants but the government and those who actually rule over us from behind the scenes have inflicted this and continue to encourage it. As for Jews they are overrepresented in banking, media and the education system all of which are hostile to myself, my family and my community. Again I don't necessarily hate every individual jew but failing to recognise their collective role in our society is detrimental to us as individuals and to any chance of organising collective political movements. I also loathe Judaism as a religion and its abhorrent practices such as male genital mutilation and kosher. Same applies with Islam and FGM and halal. For the record i'm not particularly a fan of Catholicism, Jehovas Witnesses, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists either. As far as homos/trannies/paedos my view on them is that they are mentally ill. I don't hate or particularly fear them but i'd support reopening lunatic asylums to remove the harm the dangerous minority cause themselves and to society. You have also forgotten to accuse me of the other buzzwords capitalists use to control working class people. You should probably accuse me of being a misogynist because I consider abortion murder. And sexist because I recognise gender roles. And a bigot because I voted to leave the EU. Basically I chose to say old fashioned views because its a lot quicker and easier than providing an extensive description of my opinions that most people in the thread wouldn't be interested in reading.

you chose "old fashioned views" because it sounds nicer than "I'm a bigot"

Rain isn't a buzzword. I'm tolerant to people holding different opinions I just don't like them. Don't care about being called bigot.

the "buzzwords" you mentioned aren't buzzwords either, just like "rain" isn't.

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I wouldn't exactly call it a mistake, I think that despite everything, the EU still wants the UK to remain, mostly out of self-interest of course,

Kek

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That would have been best served by a longer extension (which is what Tusk was arguing).The 6-month extension was a fudged compromise between that point of view on one hand and the 'just get it over with' school, represented by Macron, on the other.

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the problem isn't really getting in. plenty of brits get into australia, like you say.
my problem is i don't want to be a brit in australia. i want to be an australian, to not be british any more. it's much harder to find out how possible that is because it's probably not the simple legal question it is on paper. (of getting one citizenship and renouncing another.)

Right lads, bit of fun. Ctrl-f the first half of your postcode and tally up the hits. Winner gets a curly wurly and half a bag of stale wotsits
file.wikileaks.org/file/bnp-membership-list.txt
13 for me.

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6, one of them two streets across from where i used to live a few years ago and and 3 of the others in the posh part of town.

I got 9, did anyone else notice the American?

Fuck me.

Dozens of USA addresses on there somehow. Dunno if they're all expats or what.

I only got the two. Some entertaining stuff on there though just scrolling though. Especially like the hobbies.