What kind of chess level is China playing at holy shit? Seems like leftypol owes Xi and apology right about now

What kind of chess level is China playing at holy shit? Seems like leftypol owes Xi and apology right about now.
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china.org.cn/english/DAT/214784.htm

wow he said he wants to do communism, very cool

if Xi really wants communists to rally around him he wouldn't have sold weapons to Israel or been helping Duterte try to knock out the NPA. He's a bourgeois stooge and so is the entire CPC.

At last I truly see….

Why not just ally with the Western powers outright instead of holding up the "communism" sham if China really wasn't communist?

Zig Forums is currently owned by someone who works/worked in the CIA. Don't worry that there's so many anti-china mongrels on this board, it's by design. Western "leftism" is anti-communist and leftcom garbage mostly.

China is allied with the Western Powers. Just look at Sino-American trade. Economically speaking their practically the same country.

fuck off

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Trade with capitalist powers doesn't dictate a country's relations of its productive forces, though. Why does China bother getting involved in all this communism stuff when all it does is alienate the West?

words aren’t actions

It doesn’t, the west doesn’t care what China calls it’s self, as long as it has capitalist property relations.

No, but the millions of Chinese workers employed in Foxcon sweatshops does.

Lol 80% of western trots ARE fucking CIA. Sorry to break the news.

I liked him more when he lived in a tree and ate honey.

So what, the Soviet Union had millions of people employed in steel mills under brutal conditions during the NEP as well. Using force isn't China's style or position; they will achieve socialism through the gradual development of their means of production.

WE HEAR THE SUMMONS

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You should support China then, you Burger nationalist.

Say it with it me lads. COMMUNISM BY 2050

FUCKING READ THE PDF

The NEP lasted 5 years. Dengism has lasted almost 50 years.

Couldn’t be further from the truth. Their is a third side to the Imperialist stretching between the PRC and the USA. The Side of International Communism.

Source: your ass

He calls it Communism, but socialsm with Chinese characteristics is more like Chinese Not Socialism.

The USSR lasted 69 years. China lasted already 70 and is still kicking better than ever. They gotta take it nice and easy, achieve economic domination rather than political or military.

the CPC is literally just the Kuomintang dressed in red

Stupid filthy white leftists. Xi, China, CHICOMs abroad, and all Han Chinese FUCKING HATE YOU! China hates faggot leftists like you Zig Forums homosexual pussyleftboi. Here is what you will receive from CHICOMs during the next revolution. BURN LIKE DISEASED PIGS YOU LEFTSCUM!

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Not that I'm a dengoid but what would be your reaction be if China would be the first country to achieve communism?

thanks for the image whoever made it. It made me laugh

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whitu pigu go home!

I would have a hearty laff then pack my things

by pack my things i mean go to chinaland, of course, not leave

你好破了

No FUCK YOU. This is how I accurately feel about you fucking barbarian chinese.

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If Neomoaists over through the CCP it’d hopefully turn into a permante revolution.


you’re all fucking retards. It’s possible to be against the Chinese neofascist government, without hating China or the Chinese people. This applies to America, Russia, Turkey, Britain, and pretty much every country in existence.

CHICOM detected. Chinese are loyal only to Han Chinese and use even shittier forms of taqiya and pilpul. Die scum! No freedom only death if you live in CHINA.

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 劉曉波动态网自由门 1989年4月15日天安门广场 Winnie the Pooh 维尼熊

六四天安門事件
"june 4th Tiananmen Square massacre"
6月4日天安门广场大屠杀
6 Yuè 4 rì tiān'ānmén guǎngchǎng dà túshā
"The Tiananmen Square Massacre on June 4"
六四天安門事件・天安門大屠殺
Red China army killed great number of Chinese democratization's people in Tienanmen
Square in 1989 Jun .Their China military's tanks killed many democratic citizen .
It was awesome and shocking !
文化大革命
Over 40 million Chinese were massacred by red China of Mao Zedong in Chinese culture
revolution (1966-79) .It's awesome cruel !! , communism that … , just a mad dog !
Unbelievable ! But that's truth that all .Cause , red China is the bloody red beast or Satan's
country and area in Bible's John's holy prophecy .
人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence
多黨制 Multi-party system 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 反共 法輪功 北京之春 激流中國
大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 侵略 掠奪 破壞 屠殺 民族淨化
内臟器官 蛇頭 遊進 走私 六合彩 賭博 色情 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 Tibet
達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 東突厥斯坦 East Turkistan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests
zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/六四事件
rarehistoricalphotos.com/tiananmen-square-protests-in-pictures/
六四天安門事件
八九民運或是八九學運
1989年春夏之交的政治風波
Tiananmen Square Protests
天安門廣場抗議
Tiananmen Square Massacre
天安門廣場屠殺
請享用
TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE 1989 六四事件 JUNE FOURTH INCIDENT 八九民运 1989 DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT TIANANMEN SQUARE INCIDENT
六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre
反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward
文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution
人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system
维尼熊Winnie the Pooh

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good racial speak, economically they are doing pretty good today

To try prevent another Tiananmen Square from actual leftists.

You know posting all of that does nothing, right?

t. schizophrenic

lol @ this reddit-tier incantation

Not for long…

CHICOM GO HOME!

CIAnigger

CIAnigger

2 out of 4 "leftists" are glow in the dark niggers. Hahaha.

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If it gets you angrier, China will dominate the 21st century. China will enslave you and deport your dog to a gulag full of Cantonese gourmet chefs. You keep jerking off to your power fantasy about how "Chinese history doesn't exist because invaders" and how "China will get nuked" while slowly, everything around you, including you, will become made in China.

Tell me, how do you feel?

every night I pray to big daddy Xi to take away my gay-ass parents and bring justice to fascist america

America is going to be so butthurt after China sinks one of their carriers. I mean just look at all the sinophobia that is already peddled by amerifat liberals. It's definitely going to get a lot worse once the US begins waging open war to reclaim it's crumbling empire.

America's military is still miles ahead of China's.

I wonder which country is more successful.

China: soon to be #1 country in the world

Indonesia: corrupt capitalist neo-colonial mafia regime - Indonesian workers are among the least paid in the world, despite harvesting the palm oil that fuels the modern food industry.

I guess it fits

I feel like the best I am getting is self-hating white faggot fucks on /leftycuck/ who believe CHICOMs can do and will do anything but deteriorate into successive continual collapse. China is reliant on a paradigm that relies on The US and others being Globalized. It already is made in China and it is right worthless, cuntboi.

CHICOM GO HOME! You can't sink, fly, swim, or die properly.

Chinese street-shitters who are little more than barbarian mongrels remind me of a certain poo-in-loo type cuntry.

Han Chinese are the enemy of all humanity. Kill them all.

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based and Xi pilled

I don't know if logic will help you see through your blindfold but literally every empire collapses. China isn't the only country that collapses.

Nuclear powers do not go to war with eachother.

America is going to be so butthurt after China sinks one of their carriers in a proxy war.

Or voted in favor of sanctions on the DPRK.
tbh he should send weapons to Hamas instead.

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Did corn man actually say that?

Sorry, but learning French is much easier.

That wouldn’t be a proxie war. In proxie wars two competing powers fund different sides of a conflict inside of a different nation. Great powers don’t fire on each other in Proxie wars. Especially if both have nukes.

yes

America is going to be so butthurt after one of China's proxies sinks one of their proxies' leased war vessels in a proxy war.

For the same reason that India or Russia or Iran doesn't outright ally with NATO. China is different however, because unlike all of those countries, it's the only one making inroads in Southeast Asia and Africa, whereas Russia is fighting a wholly defensive war in Ukraine from a greater geostrategical standpoint. NATO funding is ramping up for Europe, which was originally something HRC was all about, until Trump did what every President does and proved there's one ruling-class and it doesn't matter how racist you are. China on the other hand is scaring the shit out of the West with loans.

Because Mao and socialism is still a powerful and popular sentiment among the people of China

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_in_20_years

Lmao, anglo "lefties" are seething at the Chinese communist dominance

CPC must stay in power by any means necessary even by force. China is the last great communist power left and our last hope to save the name of communism. We must advance slowly and with caution and with all the mistakes of Soviet Union in our minds. This our last chance to save the name of communism and none of this Syria, Russia, Hezbollah anti-imperialism bullshit doesn’t matter at any level compared to that. I agree that they deserve criticism about their mixed economy model but i have yet to see any constructive suggestions on how to build communism without China going through another great leap forward killing millions because of brain dead economic theory. China cant afford that and communists across the world cant afford that anymore. We have to make it right this time and not think that you can just jump into full communism like utterly retarded Mao did. There has to be realistic options on how to move towards the common goal of communism and if it means some level of markets or capitalism then so be it.

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If you ever feel lonely, don't forget the CPC has 90 million members and is the second largest political party on earth.

You got a source on the NPA?

Exactly. It's just fascism in a red dress. With all the traditionalist esoteric stuff and everything.

Read the fucking PDF fam, China is clearly social imperialist and one of the reasons capitalism didn't collapse sooner


You too, also redspark has an entire category for the Philippines, you'll find it there

that's some truly old school shit. Brings me back

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No, the CPC must be overthoughn by the Maoist Communist Party of China. This revolution must lead to an international revolution.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoist_Communist_Party_of_China

Stop repeating Porky talking points

No, it’s just capitalist

All you pro-CPC faggots need to read Chuang. All the real Marxists in China - the ones who have been helping organize the recent strike waves and peasant uprisings not the party bureaucrats - recognize that they are living under state capitalism and that capitalist social relations and private property have been becoming increasingly dominant w/in Chinese society for decades.


I honestly seriously question the real commitment or theoretical knowledge who supports Xi and the CPC. If your Marxism is about supporting anyone who uses communist lingo and red flags and not about serving the interest of the working class it is worthless.

chuangcn.org/journal/two/an-adequate-state/

I'm so confused by China. Lately I've been reading up on it and have been pleasantly surprised by how misinformed I've been. I don't think Xi is some secret Marxist hiding his power level behind bourgeois reform, but I still think China's rise to super power status would be a good thing, especially since they really do seem serious about environmental stuff, more so than the Americans. I just don't know who I should look up to there.

Your problem is you're looking up, not to the side, what you need to have faith in is the proletariat as the revolutionary class. Find a good party, agitate, fight for stuff working people want and never take the side of the bourgeois or the state.

...

I just don't get China at this point. Although I agree that it would be better if Maoist btfo Dengoids somehow.

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There's not much to "get", it's single party state capitalism

But is it bad? The living standards did rise extremely high and made it well off.

Well it's bourgeois, so it's just as bad as France, US, Britain or any advanced capitalist country for the working man. Living standards have risen overalll but life in the "Free Economic Zones" and in the rural territories is hell.

True to a degree. But I unironically think that the one redeeming quality of China is it's authoritarianism, because 1) it allows them to engage in a degree of planning which makes them capable of committing to environmental measures and 2) because the authority is based on Communist "mythology" which, by extension means people have access to Marx, Mao and so on.

Also, I remember reading somewhere there are still significant cliques within the party and the military that are actually Communists, which forces the CPC to at least pretend they take socialism seriously. I can't find it now, but can some more learned user confirm if there's any truth to this?

But does anyone think that there's a chance for China to turn to socialism with Maoist characteristics? It certainly is developed enough. If so would the struggle be in the party like with the NEP or a new revolution?

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China not backing up other communists (or sending my socialist group free pamphlets in the mail) sucks but it's my understanding China's leaders see that as a regrettable but necessary move to preserve their own system in a world dominated by capital. "The enemy advances, we retreat" kind of thing.

White Left Fascists tremble in the face of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.

Following WW2 the living standards of prols in America rose, does that mean that Marxists in the 60s should support the American state? No, during capitalist development there is a phase where living standards rise for workers,but eventually this stagnates and starts to reverse. China right now is where the West is during the postwar era.

Wtf? Authoritarianism is not central planing, it’s when their are intelligence agencies that spy on people and murder people in the night. In fact one could say that America is more authoritarian than China.

The reason China cares more about the environment than America is because America is the world’s biggest oil producer. China isn’t.

So what are they gonna do with that Panchen Lama guy and their occupation of Tibet?

Lowering working hours from 12 hours a day 6 days a week to 8 hours a day 5 days a week is left Fascism.

I think America and China seem to live in a entirely different frame reference. During the founding of America the early period is marked my massive improvement in living conditions due to it's shift from mercantilist colonialism under the neurochirurgie empire to classical liberalism with adaquate amounts of aritable land to grow on. Productive forces skyrocketed and so on and so forth. Later on the Ruling order became a modified liberalism to account for the rise of the accumulation of capital into the hands of the few in the mid to late 19th century.
Americans look back on the founding fathers in the same way that the Chinese look back on Mao and co. As people who had the right Idea and now it has been distorted into something else entirely. For China it was certainly Demy that had dîné that but for America it is unclear due to conspiracy theorists.

*British
My biligual keyboard sometimes goes haywire.

China eating away at American hegemony is ALWAYS a good thing. No matter the means. America and the west are filled with psychopathic scum.

This.

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As always we should be looking "up to" the proletarians, and more specifically their strongest and most conscious elements: the organized industrial workers. Thankfully this class is giving us much to get excited about (pics related). the next step is for Chinese organic working class intellectuals, students, etc. to spread the ideas of Marxism to these workers and begin the process of party formation. This is exactly what real Marxists have been trying to do and are being stymied by the treacherous, bourgeois CPC.

npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-communist-partys-latest-unlikely-target-young-marxists

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Laughed my ass off

lmao, very materialistic from you hahaha

Over 50% of Chinese industry is privately owned, and the SOEs operate like SOEs in imperialist countries do. You actually need to transform the social relations in the workplace to have replaced the capitalist mode of production with the communist one.

True, but the main economic sector, the sector that holds the heights of economy, is the socialist one, under the DoTP this constitutes the socialsit class charachter of China

They have a monopoly in following sectors:

aerospace
airlines,
aluminum,
architecture & design,
automotive,
aviation,
banking,
chemicals,
coal,
cotton,
electronics,
engineering,
forestry,
heavy equipment,
gold,
grain,
heavy machinery,
intelligence services,
iron,
materials,
metallurgy,
mining,
non-ferrous metals,
nuclear energy,
ocean shipping,
oil,
pharmaceuticals,
postal services,
rail,
salt,
science and technology research,
ship building,
silk,
steel,
telecoms,
travel
utilities

also all twenty of Chinese largest copanies are State owned

to qoute Lenin:

(Lenin, Third Congress Of The Communist International, 1921)

medium.com/@xplk/three-questions-about-china-and-the-communist-party-of-china-7056e40b40f3

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Chinese_companies

State ownership is not socialism though. How can you say China is socialist when the profits of its economy go to financing capitalist business and not human needs first and foremost? How many decades can this country stay in NEP-mode?

Again, where's the difference in social relations?

Well the State sector is organized under socialist principles, resembling the socialist workers democracy in past and current socialist states.

Every Industry (even private ones) with over 100 Workers that are CPCh Members are required to open a CPCh workers cell, wich has leading decicion making roles in state owned enterprises as well as completing the 5 year plans and working according to it.

State owned industries also have the congress of the workers and staff members wich is the basic foundation of workers democracy in China, elected by workers inside the Enterprise bottom up, in a democratic centralist manner.

en.people.cn/92824/92845/92869/6439952.html

china.org.cn/english/DAT/214784.htm

What does this mean? Co-ops exist in states that are clearly capitalist, if that was the point. Even you could do the opposite – have a socialist state with no workplace democracy because the relations of the productive forces would still be for the profit of people not business and capitalist means like stocks, advertising, etc..

State-mandated employees and goals don't equal socialism, though. They can be an aspect of a socialist state however may be entirely separate from it.

Those are aren'T a few Co-ops inside a capitalist system those organization make up all of the state sector that is being ruled by a dictatorship of the proletariat- it costitutes a socialist mode of production


It is another way of practiced workers democracy inside enterprises

A capitalist system with some socialist elements is still capitalist. Socialism can only exist as an absolute. Half of the economy in France is state owned. That doesn’t make France half socialist half capitalist. It makes France capitalist.

Why? I think the reasoning in pic related could be applied to socialism as well. (I'm not arguing China is socialist btw.)

That is because state ownership is not necessarily socialist (irregardless of the percentage), not because socialist productive relations couldn't theoretically coexist with another mode of production. You could increase 50% to 100% and France still wouldn't (necessarily) be socialist.

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Also saying "socialism can only exist as an absolute" means that even if we lived in the socialist utopia of your dreams, all it would take to turn it into a capitalist society is for me to get one person to do wage work for me.

This is true because even if one tiny action of capitalist exploitation occurs, the society as a whole is not socialist.

that's just retarded fam

How is the main mode of production that consists of the imortant heights of economy, the most important sector of a country, socialist organized a "socialist element in capitalism"


Will it be possible for private property to be abolished at one stroke?
No, no more than existing forces of production can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society.

This is just ultra left childishness, and it is a straight deviation from Marxism, Socialism is a transitional period that transforms into their higher stage, communism. It gradually abolishes private property, to expect it to directly abolish all kinds of property is unmaterialist. It also is a weird understanding of Marxist-Leninist State analysis. Capitalism, as welll as Socialism, is defined by the ownership of the means of production and (this is important) the question of the class dictatorship. There being one wage labourer in a country without him not having a dictatorship of the Bourgeoisie, it isn't capitalism.

To qoute Engels:

In all probability, the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity.

Because the other half of the economy is capitalist. In addition Chinease state owned companies produce for exchange value, instead for use value. They also engage in wage labor, and thus exploitation. This is capitalist. Regardless if their is state owned companies or not, or if it occurs under a communist ruling party.

Yes, Mao did it.

More productive forces are not needed for the creation of socialism. China was socialist during the Mao period when the productive forces were at a lower level then where they were today.

No socialism is the period of time where private property, wage labor, and production for exchange have been eliminated. But not the state. Once the state has been eliminated only than can communism be achieved.

The Dictatorship of the Proletariat is not socialism. It is a form of capitalism where the Proletariat have seized control of the state. It is not socialism.

This is in reference to Communism not socialism. As China was socialist under the Mao era when it was less developed.

I really don't think that's accurate.

You're right, but no rational person gives a flying fuck if your country ticks all the theoretical boxes to be accurately labeled "socialist" or not if you're poor as shit and the standard of living is still very low. You might be able to argue that the economic development of China would've been possible without the reform and opening up, but clearly something needed to be done about the poverty and economic backwardness of China (and the reforms have been extremely effective at that).