ITT The Female perspective To the men of this board, what are your opinions on women in a socialist society or during revolution? Should they have any specific role? What's your take on this? Where do you draw your conclusions from?
To the women of this board (Including trans, but more so interested in a cis perspective) how do you wind up here? What type of lefty are you? Are far left spaces like this more or less easy to navigate as a woman than others you have experience in? What do you believe is your role in revolution, if any? In a socialist society?
In general just discuss a women and how they relate to your preferred method of whatever you believe.
Any female that gives blowjobs without prostate stimulation is CANCELLED. I don't know why you whores are so afraid of sticking your pinky in a man's stinky.
Jaxon Moore
maybe it's the shit smell maybe they don't like stinking of shit
Chase Davis
Men stick their dicks in women's butts all the time and they don't worry about shit.
Class societies have historically portrayed man and woman as in conflict, with the sexes always fighting for dominance in some form or another. Communist society will put an end to this dehumanizing bullshit.
My only advice to anyone here on the subject is to give up on convincing people that are obsessed with gender. Even the racialist hardliners have more communist potential than them. I've frequently spoken to fascists and black nationalists that actually have some radical potential. But the gender warriors are a lost cause. Their worldview is that of a kindergarten, where the primary contradiction in society is that of sex and nothing else matters but trying to prove which side has more cooties than the other. It is impossible to find more ridiculous people on the planet. Do not bother with them.
Jonathan Williams
damn, nice
Logan Hughes
Is me or, lately, the quality of posts and threads on this board has taken a nose dive? Half of the posts, if not more, look like they've been written by 15 years old edgy redditors. Well, maybe I'm getting too old for this shit.
Juan Flores
I just want to learn. Please be patient with newfags.
Xavier Phillips
Of course it's not just you. It's still easier here to find good communists than any other part of the internet, but their numbers have been seriously diminished. This board has about 6-8 months left to start getting it's shit together before it passes the point of no return.
This board hasn't just gotten dumber though. The worst part is how fucking boring it is. OP literally could have just asked "what do you guys think of women?" and the content of his post would have been the exact same. This isn't socialism, there's no room for discussion or debate here. People still post on this board, but they don't talk about anything.
Easton Powell
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Xavier Baker
you can do combat, protest, voting, strikes, boycott and everything we men do. and women have a really good singing voice so you can do communist songs.
Michael Sanchez
If it's not too hard for me to get a girlfriend then women can have literally everything they want.
Jace Roberts
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Kayden Cook
transgender women share common experiences with cisgender women, at least more comprehensively than men.
Henry Robinson
Man. I think the problem with assigning a specific role to anyone is that there will ALWAYS be 5-10% who fucking hate that role and rebel endlessly against it. It doesn't matter how much that 90-95% love their assigned role and how natural it feels to them and how productive it makes society as a whole, because that small minority will fuck everything up because they hate it. Just let people be themselves and plan society around that.
well, in terms of the "female experience", transwomen have a much greater standpoint on it than cismen. although many terfs say stuff like they can never understand the female experience since they weren't socialised in a female environment and never inherited a female body - i have heard transmen say this type of hysteria is nonsense though and terfs should just get off their high horse.
Camden Perry
OP asked if women should have a specific role. I'm saying that this isn't going to work, because if you try and slot women into a specific role there's going to be a significant percentage that fuck everything up by rebelling against that role.
Luke White
Fighting and working alongside men (and whatever else doesnt wanna fit in the binary). The only real special role women have, which is not up to any of us to change, is giving birth to children and breastfeeding them. At least, we cant change it yet, perhaps in the future Egalitarian ideas + experiences. There is no real difference between what men and women do apart from reproduction.
I would even go a step further than and say that women who double down on traditional gender roles are reactionary and should be eliminated (not in such harsh terms). "Trad" women more so than men, trad men are simple reactionaries who seek dominance, but those women undermine the social position and struggle of women as a whole by validating reactionary views, as well as the fact that many of them either seek an idealised "princess" version of womenhood where all the hard labour women originally did such as the household is now mostly taken care of by mechanised means, or they are dealing with phychological problems that lead them to seek a life of subservience to satisfy self-harming urges and needs resulting of their trauma (daddy issues, self image issues, etc). In the former case, such leeches ought not to be allowed, and those types tend to be the female version of the dominance seeking male, often taking advantage of less secure partners, and in the latter case they ought to be helped rather than indulging in damaging behaviour.
Any person who damages their own interest without good reason is both damaging to the interest of their 'group', other groups, as well as damaging to themselves.
Hunter Myers
I must ask you to go back to plebbit
Ayden Butler
We already have a containment thread for pro/anti gender crit discussion.
As for women. They hold up half of the sky. Socialism must mend the relations between men and women because I'm tired of sex war shit. Women shouldn't have a specific role in the revolution beyond being revolutionaries just like the men. Hopefully relationships will be better once you take out money concerns out of relationships, making us less alienated from each other. There's ample evidence that this will be the case. DDR sex > FDR sex.
Hudson Cooper
someone posted a while ago sources on femininists discussing the greatness of east germany for women.
Austin Scott
Women are to give the people's strap to their male comrades.
Caleb Foster
Based and Classpilled
Xavier Lopez
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Matthew Diaz
lol u mad.
Caleb Cook
is this a conversation that needs to be had? most dudes even people on the far-right believe in male and female equality.
lmao what that is not true at all, the resurgence of fascism and the far right has been inextricably tied to contempt for women and blaming them for alienation and falling rates of relationships and sex. It is one of if not the biggest factor in driving people to the right, especially if you include racial sexual insecurity of "BBC gonna take my wimminz i need a strong white state to protect me from porn stereotypes of black men"
Problems particular to women like sexual assault and abortion should be taken more seriously here. I have literally never met a woman that after getting to know her a bit I have not found out she was groped or assaulted a few times in her life. And Evangelical churches are some of the most awful idpol bourgeois propaganda, violently anti-woman, pouring hundreds of millions into demonizing abortion and birth control which is objectively undermining the proletariat. But a lot of posters here seem to think that opposing right wing identity politics about women or gays or whatever is liberal hysteria despite almost every significant Marxist from Engels to Mao to Sankara promoting a socialist feminism.
Do we need to link you to all the studies that confirm this?
Jose Kelly
If that really sounds unrealistic to you, you probably dont know many women, or men for that matter. I have lost a few good male friends after it came out they were abusing their gf or had assaulted a girl. It is really common.
Yeah, I'm talking about my personal experience, never suggested otherwise.
Robert Jackson
Oh, and look at that you're a Trot, you and the other 6 people in your cult have probably been raped by your crusty old newspaper organizer yourselves.
Jason Cox
you're the cancer killing leftism just so you know.
Joshua Lewis
the stereotype comes from marxist-leninist parties, actually
Benjamin Allen
I just think they are really pretty. I hope to see more pretty comrades, but I don't meet many. My opinion is really limited. sorry.
Christian Lee
ok retard
And I actually think that the New Left libertine sex positivity has contributed heavily to sexual assault and manipulation in leftist circles so it's not like any of this is winning me friends among liberals and left-liberals who think that polyamory and nudity are somehow revolutionary
Mason Garcia
just like pottery
Aiden Wood
I'm not a M-L tho I don't mind being associated with them at all.
It is wild that I will be attacked as a liberal redditor half the time here for saying women and gays should be taken seriously as members of the poor and working class that nonetheless have unique problems, and the other half of the time called a reactionary prude for thinking that the way to solve those problems isn't orgies and polycules and attacking monogamy as inherently bad.
Logan Richardson
Yes, sperging out about polygamy sexual liberation when it's nothing to do with the topic does make you appear as a reactionary, sorry. And sperging about Trots being rapists makes you appear a salty ultratankist. If that's not how you want to present yourself then consider your posts.
Women should become fascist like me. Most of these comments remind me why ๐
Luis Collins
i want to rape people that use emojis
Colton Campbell
The Trot bit was a dumb joke and needlessly provocative I admit but it's not like the poster I was responding to was providing a quality response, just sperging about my acknowledging how common sexual assault of women is. And I mentioned my opinion regarding hypersexuality in the contemporary western left as an example to seperate myself from the left-liberals I assumed I was being associated with.
Alexander Hill
Thatโs due to the artificial broadening of the definition of sexual assault. A guy (even if heโs ugly or unattractive) complimenting a girl or winking at her isnโt sexual assault.
Jason Perez
maybe those who brough up the sexual assault should bring up the studies so we can see if they are physical or a wink and compliment like the trot says
Noah Young
The rates are pretty low. And more importantly, the rate is going down.
That is not at all what I am talking about, I am talking about groping at the least and usually pressuring into sex in a situation theyre uncomfortable with. Of fucking course winking is not sexual assault you cretin why would you assume that is what I meant, and it does seem like you're backpedaling since you originally said the problem was that it was anecdotal evidence and now you're saying it's because the definition is too wide?
Jordan Sanders
Violent crime started going up again after 2008 I wonder if rape is the same.
Christopher White
Forget tha Man and resonate to ==GOD== (God of Abraham)
Fuck all the rest Romans 1:27 ==KJV ONLY== "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
Joseph Mitchell
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Matthew Thomas
lol nigga that's gay
Eli Hall
Iโm a girl and thatโs so off putting. We like men to take control.
Aaron Rogers
lie down, poop on my feet
Luke Evans
It's more like 80/20 Take control usually, but also sometimes not. Up to you to figure out which mood it is. Don't guess wrong! :)
Christopher Kelly
Aren't you the degenerate tranny from before who's highest aspirations were either being a public for-use slut for your future "aryan commune" or to be raped in the streets in the event of failure, both of which you deemed as acceptable?
Cis woman (or some sort of non-binary, haven't resolved that one). An online friend (coincidentally female) introduced me to Zig Forums in 2014 or 15 when I was a 4chan-lurking "anarcho-socialist".
Marxist-Leninist
I've been on the left for so long and don't do a whole lot of socializing in general, my frame of reference is pretty pathetic.
The left definitely isn't a shining beacon of gender equality or anything.
30-something wannabe stand-up comedians dating 18 year old girls, leftist women denigrated for exposing and criticizing the foundations of the sex work industry, men being invasively horny in women's DMs or whatever unprompted and then playing the "I'm sorry, I'm trash, I'm trying really hard to get better. I'm in a women's studies class," type bullshit when they get ignored or confronted.
I went to my first march last month and ended up letting a 32 year old man join me for smoothies afterwards. He seemed a little disturbed when he learned there's more than a decade between us but quickly shifted into the "you're so mature" crap, and touched my thigh multiple times when I asked him not to. It was like it was impossible to him for us to simply have a friendly interaction. He might even be lurking now. Hi J.
There's some pressure/expectation for women to be "cool girls", and being "cool" means you think tolerate some misogyny on structural and personal levels. A not insignificant number of men pretty much openly want you to be their equivalent of white conservatives' favorite black Republicans; defanged, bootlicking lackeys. My problem with that is less personal and more that the kind of shit they impose is bad for the working class.
But there are positives. In my little in-person work, qualified women have been recognized and given roles as speakers, leaders, organizers, and afforded the respect you'd expect to be given to men in similar positions. They seem happy and comfortable to be where they are, so I assume their experiences are mostly good. And in terms of theoretical principles, the far left is as good as it gets for gender equality. It's reflected imperfectly, but it is reflected. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
Same as a man.
Thomas Rodriguez
I have never met a female worthy of respect in my life. It is possible that I may one day meet such a female, however marginal the likelyhood maybe.
Matthew Turner
Women are the direct cause of leftism, thus women and transexual faggots will be controlled and beaten up if necessary. Tranners especially will be held down and have brands burned into their backs and genitals. Women will experience female circumcision for the lower classes as a rule, the rest as punishment for the first generation.
Tyler Diaz
That sounds pretty rough, comrade. I know that this sort of thing tends to happen in general, but I would have hoped that people who were actually on the side that's supposedly for actual gender equality or abolition rather than cheap liberalism would be better. Guess not.
What would help deal with things like this?
Josiah Mitchell
Increased social exposure. You learn acceptable behavior by being socially sanctioned by your peers when you do something others don't like. The 32-year old might have acted creepy on that date, but the way fem-user rejected him might have acted as the educating social sanction that might prevent him from acting like that in the future (or not, who knows). Also, while it was understandably uncomfortable for femanon, the guy's behavior has immediate negative consequences for himself - being rebuffed, etc.
Trying to just legislate or control social behavior and expecting everyone to act nice as the default setting is to disregard how behavior is shaped in the first place. People need to fuck up and realize that they've fucked up before they correct themselves. In the meantime, you're always going to have retards and creeps, but hopefully, most of them will transition to nice members of society through proper socialization. I guess my point is that there are few political solutions to this very basic social phenomenon.
Gavin Moore
In communism I expect a harem of 7/10 white females as reparations for my incel suffering. Comprende?
Matthew Barnes
It's from each according to ability to each according to need. Are you sure you have the communist virility to handle a harem of white girls at once? If not, that would be inefficient allocation of sexual resources
imo women should have more privileges than men in a communist society because they are different and lack behind in many aspects compared to men and because they are a very important element in society being the biggest influence on a person's personality, ideology and behavior. neolibs tend to sabotage this to shift the focus towards things that serves porky's interests and to create conflict between male and female
Jason Bennett
i like how this image is saying to me: "become a leftist and you will get pussy", it is similar to the right-wing propaganda. And of course, white women are used to invoke sexuality rather than blacks.
I don't use this term lightly or often, but you might just be projecting your own insecurities and paranoia here.
Andrew Powell
it is simply a recurrence i have noticed in propaganda, leftists will post pics of attractive communist women (always typically white women in combat attire). The right posts motherly pictures of white women, sometimes with white children.
There is never black representation in leftist propaganda unless it is some politically correct "workers of the world" imclusivity, and even then it feels forced.
Landon Cooper
yes a woman shouldn't work while she is pregnant or while rising a child and a woman shouldn't be expected to produce in work as much as men do. maybe the word privilege was the wrong word to use but yeah