Is there such a thing as good eastern philosophy? I've never been inspired to read it cause everyone I've ever known who says they like eastern philosophy just has platitudes and shit they recite. I'm not saying eastern philosophy is bad, I've just yet to be inspired to read it. Any thoughts?
Eastern Philosophy
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Samuel Garcia
Yes, and in fact Mao arguably was himself an eastern philosopher. The closest philospher in the west to eastern philosophy was Spinoza. Eastern philosophy is basically spinozism and vice vera although vedantic hinduism, buddhism, taoism etc predated Spinoza by thousands of years obviously.
Mao never read hegel and his method was obviously more inspired by the eastern traditions, so if you want a fair reading of Mao in On Contradiction, On Practice, etc. You really need to read the source material hes drawing on and also read Spinoza who Althusser loved and partially explained why he was such a Maoismboo early on
Jaxson Jackson
what Spinoza book should I read?
David Bell
Other people here will recommend Ethics because its his most comprehensive work, but its also very dense since its all written in the language of geometrical proofs.
I personally recommend going BALLS DEEP and buying his collected works (Edwin Curly Translation). His first chronological work is his Treatise on the Emendation of the Intellect and it gives a good if incomplete introduction to Spinoza's thought in plain expositive language.
Actually Curley himself writes in the intro to his translation that reading Spinozas works in chronological order makes it way easier to ease into than just jumping balls deep into the deep end in his Ethics
Jaxson Hernandez
Can someone explain this to me? Whenever people talk about ethics these days, it just seems to be bourgeois ideology. And how tf does he formulate everything as proofs?
Andrew Hughes
its called the ethics but its more than that its a comprehensive philosophical work. Spinoza was a fan of Euclid and René Descartes and he thought the proper way to demonstrate philosophy was by writing everything as a geometrical proof (at least in the ethics).
Hes basically an uber-rationalist who believes in a priori quantitative reason over empiricism.
Connor Powell
Sounds kinda cool, but isn't that positivism or something? Yet I've heard other good things about Spinoza, like how Einstein liked him.
Spinoza vs. Hegel, who is more based?
Christopher Wilson
Well Hegel came after so his philosophy is more advanced but he did consider himself a spinozist. I wouldnt really say hes a positivist. The thing about spinoza is that everybody likes him, he was the first true enlightenment philosopher (descartes was a christcuck). Continential philosophers and analytic/positivist philosophers like him.
Id still say hes worth reading in any case
Jason Thompson
Especially after reading about how effectively the dhamma has been harnessed to train people into staying complacent within neoliberal subjectivity, I became even more of a hardline Buddhist communist. I study, debate and meditate to prepare the mind for abandonment of all consumerist comforts, to die fearlessly in revolution, not to wageslave better
Gavin Green
What is the attitude of you on struggle and suffering? I'm not agree with Buddhism on that point. Also, they had the tendency to overemphasis the nothing side of the being-nothing pair.
On the eastern philosophies, I place myself on the middle between Heraclitus and Lao Zi
Alexander King
Spinoza lacks the fundamental emphasis of Taoism and Buddhism, the ever-changing nature of the world.
Everything flows. Hegel and especially Heraclitus are more closer to the eastern philosophy.
Jaxon Thompson
Even some Greek stuff correlates with Indian stuff. Also neoplatonism (although this is more or less a dead end).
William Fisher
It's not like he actually read him or Marx for that matter.
Jordan Barnes
"Eastern philosophy" is such a basic bitch eurocentric classification: like the Islamic, Dharmic, and Confusion schools are all actually the same thing.
Blake Taylor
Bruh moment
Jace Johnson
I'm surely Chinese Pure Land Buddhism can get along well with Socialism in the mean time it doesn't need monks.
Colton Peterson
Rationalism and positivism are directly opposed to one another. Positivism is basically empiricism taken to the nth degree of autism, the case being that the only thing we can ever say anything coherent about are empirically falsifiable statements. Rationalism places much less emphasis on empiricism.
Jack Gomez
Read his autobiography, m8. In any case, his philosophy is that of the French "communist" party that tried (and succeeded) in quelling the may '68 protests, that of a university professor afraid of losing his authority and his theory of ideology, which lives on in people like Žižek, reflects that. Jacques Rancière, one of Althusser's former pupils who collaborated with him in Reading Capital, goes into details about this in Althusser's Lesson. You can find a .pdf on libgen.
Brody Long
Everyone in academia bullshits about reading books user. It doesn't make his analysis wrong.
Christian Taylor
look into dialectical monism. new stage of communism
Levi Hall
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really I'm reading it right now though
Julian Cruz
Are you that dude who runs the Frederik Lordon Youtube channel and talks about Synthesizing Spinoza & Marx all the time? If you are, have you considered making a thread with the central thesis of your argument for such and giving people an introduction to Spinoza and how he is compatible with HisMat as well as providing some introductory reading material?
Jaxson Anderson
I guess I'm a positivist so please be patient, I have autism. Spinzoa seem to have tried to prove god in his Ethics which I remember I said makes sense so I guess he is a Rationalist. Does that mean he's really materialist?
Carter Perez
He’s not a materialist in the Cockshottian sense of being a neo-epicurean atomist. If by materialist you mean he doesn’t believe in a personal god then yes. He believed god=nature=everything that exists. So it’s an impersonal god who controls the universe only via the laws of physics. He turns science into a religion that’s what hawking meant by knowing the mind of god=knowing the laws of the natural universe hawking and Einstein were spinozists
Sebastian White
I am too much of a brainlet to understand what are you even trying to describe here, can you rephrase or elaborate on this?
Camden Cox
(OP)
No Eastern Philosophy is pretty much Western Philosophy pre-Enlightment. In short it’s good as kindling for fire, but not much else. Confucius was a reactionary faggot.
Jason Campbell
Yangism is basically Stirner with Chinese characteristics
Thomas Anderson
I wonder why that could be
Joshua Morgan
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Parker Clark
Legalism is more proto-NRx than proto-Tankie.
Jayden Morris
Too bad he was still infected by the worldview of ancient aristocrats, if it wasn't, Qin was for sure existing longer.
Liu Bang was the better version of Shi Huang.
Kayden Edwards
Is the Chad one person or several?
Ryder Gray
I think Chad is one person, Qin Shi Huang. The word in his shirt could be understood as "Chad Qin"
Kayden Baker
Just dropping this here.
Thomas Brown
althusser was literally in an asylum when he wrote that id take it with a grain of salt
Jonathan Smith
Spinoza believed that basically everything was one substance, being god (or nature). This is similar to the vedantic deity in hinduism/pantheism where god=existence. Cockshott defines materialism as neo Epicureanism, meaning greek atomism updated for modern days. Rather that seeing everything as one thing, atomists like Epicurus saw the universe as being made up of at some level units of matter which were not further divisible.
Joshua Nguyen
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