SHOULD WE ALLY WITH THE NATIONAL SOCIALISTS?

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What do you guys think? It is not a very long leap from Marxism to Not Socialism… An alliance could be beneficial for both of our movements.

Is an alliance of Red & Brown possible?

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on the very, very hypothetical revolution that will probably not happen within our lifetimes? yeah sure

It's all so tiresome

Yes but we both desire to tear down the current system. Perhaps an alliance would allow us to do what we could never do alone

Fuck Not Socialists. Class cucked schizophrenics the lot of them. They'll benefit society in labour camps

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How would this "alliance" even play out? more foot soldiers? i doubt they will help us propaganda wise, i expect they won't 100% agree with our posters about uniting workers from the world, while they have ones about white supremacy.

I agree with the tank here. They need some serious re-education if they want to be any use in the revolution.

Ideally, I would think we could put our ideological differences to the side for the most part in order to attain our common goal…

Once it is, we would most likely turn on each other - but we could prepare for this inevitably until it happens

nazis are only anti-liberal
they still support capitalism

Fuck Nazis. They can't be trusted for shit. We can't give up the moral high-ground just for an alliance with these losers.

These threads are as cringy as "what do you think you would do during the revolution?" shit on twitter, this ain't happening in a while and when it happens both Zig Forums and Zig Forums will be probably dead first, the true revolutionary force doesn't use imageboards.

Nah, the Nazi practice of obscuring, distorting and just fucking mangling all critique of the capitalist system into some retarded conspiracy theory about THE JEWS MAN is de facto enabling of the capitalist system by undermining real class consciousness. Your mere existence only serve to make revolution less likely, and helps porky. The sooner you realize this, the sooner you can rid yourself of the idealist and esoteric trash that is Not Socialism

SAGE

Why the fuck are you faggots entertaining this Zig Forumsyp?

NITPICKING!
SCREW THE OPTICS

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FUCK YOU JUDEO-BOLSHEVIK SCUM

WE WILL NEVER BE YOUR ALLIES. YOU WILL BE PURGED ON THE DOTR ALONG WITH YOUR KIKE MASTERS!

HEIL HITLER!

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Ancap here
Nazis and commies hate the same enemy, you just call them different names
You call your enemy porky
Nazis call their enemy jews
But porky and jews are actually the same thing

These threads are always predictable and stupid and they happen every time something like Peterson v Zizekcand I hate them and I'm gay

This is a level of centrism that shouldn't be possible

I will never work with people who literally view me as subhuman. Liberals at the very least have no immediate plans to commit ethnic cleansing on my community. I love this place but it is filled to the brim with ex-Zig Forums.

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And yet every single politician you mongrels support is a Zionist shill.
Through how much mental gymnastics do you faggots go through to explain the support you give to Isreal and the Jews?

nah fam

SUCH AS?

TRUMP SUCKS JEW COCK IN TEL AVIV AND IS THE ENEMY, WE DO NOT SUPPORT MEN SUCH AS HE

Ancap here again, I support Patrick Little even though Zig Forums tells me he's a secret jew

Zig Forums spent all of 2016 and 2017 deepthroating Trump and importing redditors, how come you keep getting kiked so much?

White supremacy and White nationalism are different. You should not conflate the two as the msm pushes you to do.The latter would have no objection to uniting workers of the world. Hitler may have been many things, but he was not a racist, in fact he had great respect for other races, their culture and history. Workers rights span the world, nationalists wish to maintain their own culture and traditions, but understand they have a place in the rest of the world with regard to trade.

Name a mainstream far-right politician, any far-right politician.

What about Orban, what about Bologna in brazil, what about Le Pen?

Didn't stop him from invading and trying to destroy those same cultures.
Reminder that somehow Slavs were more subhuman to Hitler than blacks.

Yeah we tried that in the 30's and tens of thousands of communists ended up in concentration camps to be tortured and gassed. Never again.

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PATRICK LITTLE IS A CRYPTOJEW SHILL YOU FOOL!

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I agree. I'm not defending Hitler., but he never considered blacks 'subhuman'.
You can argue that white nationalism leads to white supremacy, but they are not the same. TPTB need you to believe that they are because god forbid if people realize how much they have in common

ALL JEWISH SHILLS

pettifoggery begins

If white=übermench then not white=subhuman. That's like 4th grade logic my dude.

Remember when we thought the Peterson debate would be a net goof for this board?

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So, how did Hitler view the Japanese? Why did he have blacks and muslims in his armies?
Don't believe everything you've been told my son and you may grow into a strong man capable of making decisions for others. Now, stop wasting an adult's time and go and read a book.

I don't expect fascists to be logically consistent. Whenever you take a fascist position to its logical conclusion it evaporates into thin air. Literally feels>reals.

Fuck no and no "leftist" who thinks so should be trusted. The only reason this question should ever be asked is to reveal and purge fascist sympathizers. The only reasons fascists think this is a possible is because they're idealists with aesthetics instead of analysis. A socialist who thinks this is even possible is an awful socialist with some learning to do. A "socialist" who thinks this is in any way remotely desirable deserves a bullet.

natsoc here, I don't really care about economics as an end unto itself, I care about blood. I don't have an ideological commitment to any economic system. I recently saw a video showcasing how east germany started really far behind west germany and how it is thus not a good comparison to which I say, okay thats a good point. Murica and mexico are both capitalist countries but does that stop the economic migration? no, a wall (pic related) would

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This is the only kind of fascist nearing anything that could be considered respectable, the kind that recognizes we are irreconcilable enemies.

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Case and point. Fascists are just psychotic blood and soil opportunists. Off to the re-education camp you go bucko

If anyone wondered why the nazi mind is utterly idealist and incompatible with any mass-mobilization based on common material interests. Fucking spooks, I swear

I recently read a thing and apparently psychopaths are capable of empathy.

However its not automatic, that part of the brain would light up as normal, but only when the researcher told the psychopath to empathize with whatever person.

I'm the opposite of a psychopath, it happens automatically but I can choose to turn it off.

- Nazi speaker Fritz Oerter about converting Marxists to Not Socialism.

Literally the post above you.

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Alright, I hate the fascists as much as anyone else here, and I wouldn't trust the overwhelming majority of them, but what about eco-fascists specifically? We could have a gentlemen's agreement to not start shit with each other until we've stabilized the climate. Further, we could take any surplus populations they label as undesirables in return for them not attempting any new final solutions.

-some fucktard salty about reals

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I've been accused of being a sociopath so I'm probably no better than you in that regard. Empathy and morals are spooks but they're necessary if you want to have a society with any sort of cohesion. Moralistic socialists are a retarded bunch, scientific socialism is where it's at. Might I recommend that you read Nietzsche

I'm a commie, I just wanted to show that fascism is self-admittedly anti-materialist feels>reals.

This Bolshevik gets it. You are of course a Jewish ratfuck but you will be purged last.

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The Soviet Union was the only major power funding anti-Israeli groups to overthrow the Zionists and diminish British influence in the Middle East.

That is one of the most ridiculous and trite responses I have ever had. I feel dirty even replying to you

The truth is like garlic to a nazi. Dodge or die.

lol.

So every Jew extracts surplus value from other's labor? And everyone who extract's surplus value from other's labor is a Jew?

not who you were replying to, but you're kinda close. I feel like for the Nazi party the Porky of their era and region was the Jew. Does this mean that all Jews are Porky? Not really. But could you call all Porky a jew? Probably, if you were using "Jew" colloquially as a way to reference the issues the Nazis dealt with.

I do my own research, disingenuous Judeo-Bolshevik dog. Zig Forums is simply for discussion with likeminded Not Socialist kameraden.


Kill yourself you revolting kike.

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Like just taking Jewish capitalists' property and handing it over to the white capitalists who you're in cahoots with while freezing the wages of the same working class whom you manipulated into voting you into power.
Mixing "jew" and "capitalist" only serves to obscure the true material conflict of interests between capitalist and the gentle labourer by introducing a half-baked and completely unnecessary racial component.

If you repeat it enough it'll be true some day.

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No, we should convert them. If they can't be converted we should kill them because they are fascists.

Left-wingers are a bunch of liars. I didn't bother to check any of the people on that meme chart, denying Lenins jewishness was enough for me to see what a bunch of liars you people are.

His mother was half-Jewish on her father's side, and he converted to christianity. Why does it even fucking matter? God I hate you people. This is why we need re-education camps

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No matter what side you are on, if you genuinely believe an "alliance" like this is possible, you have to do more proper research on the historical and ideological background of both socialism and fascism. They are the most incompatible of ideologies. Socialists want to overthrow the status quo in favor of a more solidarity-based, egalitarian society; fascists want to enforce it in the most reactionary form to protect the vested interests of private capital, installing a society based on hierarchy and hate directed at marginalized groups. And while deranged fascist nutjobs might tell themselves that they are actually counterculture instead of confirming the status quo, and make themselves believe they can come to an agreement of sorts with leftists, WE should keep our ideological backbone straight and refuse any kind of collaboration with these despicable bootlickers.

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how come this shit thread hasn't been anchored yet?

Lenin was barely even a Mischling under Nazi standards, the Nazi's had people in their own ranks who were more Jewish than Lenin.

The commies already defeated your sorry reactionary movement once and for all. Gg no re. Keep your shit tier threads on Zig Forums where you can revel in the ashes of a failed dream and recycle your hilarious rhetoric of the purge and rope day that you only get to say in your safe spaces with the rest of the fucking losers

I don't get your logic. One guy is 49% german and he is le amerimutt mongrel non-white, but a guy that's 0.0000034870180% ashkenazi jew is accepted among the cabal of conspirators against the white race in your schizo head?

Fuck no. National "socialists" aren't worth negotiating with, I'd sooner side with capitalists.

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But if jews are muslims aka muh favorite buzzword jewslims, then Lenin was a muslim

He has some sort of a point, there are at least circumstances where it would make sense to side with the capitalists of a specific country or at least form a temporary alliance with the petty-bourgeoisie, while the idea of allying with literal fascists is just plain absurd.

This is actually the real appeal Zig Forumsyps have for them, the fact that they, being mongrels themselves, wouldn't be the ones genocided if they just behave like good little doggies.
Honestly they're just a bunch of faggots and bootlickers.
How many times does a "based black" "based gay" and "based jew" pop up and they cheer them on. They're literally selfhating mongrels who wish they were actually white.

Good thing that siding with capitalists is what they usually do.
Remember, when they cry about "blood" they actually don't really care for their fellow brothers, they only care about the guy in charge fucking them over.
Orban is a good example, a literal hungarian gypsy/turk hailed as the savior of the "white" race.

They're only slightly less evil than the fascists. Saying you'd rather fight one than the other doesn't make you a sympathizer or a friend. Once we deal with the fascists, we have one less thing to worry about. Fighting both at once (or fighting alongside fascists) is a terrible idea.

You can keep your worthless Commie propaganda memes, anyone who is not retarded or blind knows Communism is a Jewish construct!


HE WAS A FUCKING JEW! YOUR LIES WILL NEVER CHANGE THAT FACT

YOU FAGGOTS GO ON AND ON ABOUT 'MUH WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!" AND I BET NONE OF YOU HAVE EVEN WORKED A DAY IN YOUR LIFE. YOU ARE EITHER NAIVE AND RETARDED AND BELIEVE THE KIKE LIES OF MUH COMMUNISM OR YOU ARE LITERAL JEWISH SHILLS ACTIVELY ATTEMPTING TO SUBVERT IGNORANT GOYIM TO FOLLOW YOUR SLAVE IDEOLOGY FOR THE BENEFIT OF INTERNATIONAL KIKERY!

IN THE END, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE YOU ARE… YOU WILL ALL END UP IN A MASS GRAVE WHICH IS THE ONLY PROPER PLACE FOR MARIXST FILTH. SUCH AS. YOURSELVES!

HEIL HITLER!

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Prove it
Less Jewish than the Jews that were in Hitler's own ranks and by the Nazi's own laws.
Literally in a trade faggot

why are nazis so fucking spastic? You deny the Jewish conspiracy and suddenly they're screeching and yelling "KIKE! KIKE!"

...

Honestly, I think most modern-day Nazis legitimately have some schizophrenic thought patterns.

Ok, so what does that mean exactly? Will he put dual Israeli citizens on the SCOTUS and on his cabinet? Will he increase aid for Israel? Will he try to make antisemitism punishable by death? Will he marry his daughter off to a jew, and have jewish grandkids?
Thats just the Trump bullshit, what about other jewish behavior? Is he a child molestor? Does he promote anuddah shoah? Does he invite shitskin hordes to rape white women?

Think, is a clear example of feeltards, no wonder they lost the war

what a LARP name too

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i'd gladly work with nationalists and fascists like the guys from casapound but that's it

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lol. obvious polyp. go read some books and drop your spooks, if youre smart you might join us, but we wont ally with especially retarded and violent capitalists

I get that you guys are trying to disassociate from SJWS, but don’t you think this is a *bit* much?

Fuck no, and this comes from a Asserite.

It's a shame this thread was anchored, this could have been an interesting topic to discuss.

Not him, but there were a lot of Bolshevist Jews, I'm not saying communism is necessarily a Jewish contrast, but it did have a lot of Jews.
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Could either of you elaborate on the Jews in Hitler's ranks? or give me some sources explaining this?

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