Okay Zig Forums, what do you think humanity will be at by 2,050 and 2,100. What are your predictions for the future?
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I think full automation will probably happen somewhere around the 2100s. Obviously in communism that would be perfect but in capitalism it will be a nightmare. Capitalists will show their true face and manifest pretty clearly that they only ever cared about profits and never their workers. If people keep supporting capitalism even after that then there's no hope for them left.
Also if shit keeps going like it's going now I think humanity has ~300 years tops before becoming extinct.
If by the 2100 we haven't stopped capitalism, they will have killed the planet already.
There will be walled off and guarded zones of techno fuedal estates in the countryside linked via internet to a central monarchical authority in the cities and each will have zones of "autonomy" for their sons and daughters while everyone else within the zone will be a serf who is there only to repair the automatons doing all the labor or to do the jobs robots absolutely can't do. Trade and competition between these compounds will amount to games to see whose robots are the best I'm various games which will reward them with titles in place of competing to see who can make the most money which will be obsolete despite a class hierarchy remaining.
Outside the walls will be those who either were left behind or managed to escape this dystopia and left to their own devices in the various wastelands living in basically anarcho primitivism. They will be heavily monitored and routinely gunned down by drones which patrol the uncivilized regions both in order to preemptively quell attempts to pemetrate amd overthrow the lords land and also to expand the fiefdoms or gain access to dwindling resources as needed.
By 2100, it'll either be global Eco-Cyber-Stalinism, or Mad Max.
Immortal people.
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any answer that's primarily based on political trends and not technological advancements isn't properly historically materialist
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I'm sorry but who the fuck writes years like that
Lol you guys are all such downers. No wonder the left lost.
At least you can say you were right as it all burns down. That's what being a leftist is all about, our number one priority is not being called utopian.
I think worst case scenario is that 100,000 people live in fully automated luxury communism while everyone else is elimanted. A step above that is civilization collapses and there's millions of people left living in a nice pre-industrial lifestyle.
If we are able to avoid ecological collapse, it's either a really boring dystopia where a handful of people own all the intellectual property and everyone else has to serve them, or we get our shit together and build a society that works for everyone that will lack some of the luxuries some of us are used to now but everyone will be happier.
You guys realize that's in 80 years right. You think all work will become automated in 80 years? I mean trucking has always been such a simple task begging for automation and even now is still BARELY getting automated. To think that major factories around the world will all be fully automated is pretty crazy. I mean maybe like 200 years?.
I just highly doubt that factories in india and thailand, sudan will suddenly be fully automated.
Quite honestly if what you're saying does occur I would hope or like to think that a mass exodus would occur because it's simply not livable in the US. People would have no choice but to flee to countries with atleast some welfare system or opportunity to provide for the nation in some way. How could people be expected to live in the US if everything is automated and with no conceivable welfare in place. People would starve or at the very least the vast majority of the nations quality of life would take a hit and it would just make sense to move somewhere else so you can afford some books and video games a nice bed.
call me complacent but I'd honestly be kind of happy for full automation to take place at the very least I wouldn't have to work and could just read. My life might get a little shittier but atleast I don't have to wake up at 6 anymore.
Ya this guy is right.
Look either shit gets fucked and people don't listen or shit gets fucked and people listen. Humans will survive. I mean through sheer genetic variation there are already humans on earth that can survive off of CO2 and shit. If people were immune to the black plague and that was a rapid infestation then I highly doubt that the effects of climate change would be able to kill of as many people although the effects would be disasterious. The surrounding environment will never be the same humans will survive.
This is basically predicting that capitalism, has ended well before then, because capitalism is an economic system based on the exploitation of labour-power.
No it isn't. Reacting to obstacles and road traffic is really hard for a computer. I really wonder why trains haven't been fully automated yet though.
If you consider how far AI has come in the last 50 years, I don't think it's that crazy to imagine full automation coming soon.
Lmao what?
Hypothetically due to genetic variation it should be possible that there are humans that less susceptible to the dangers of climate change for example higher levels of CO2.
I was creating a hyperbole by saying they can survive off of CO2. It is reasonable to assume in my mind anyway that there are people that will be less affected by climate change as it happens and I mean that in a physical sense not in a material way. Obviously the rich will make sure they're nice and comfy.
this nigga thinks that the problem with climate change is it will make the air unbreathable due to the amount of carbon
the absolute state of the american education system
I'll be honest I really don't understand why trains haven't been automated. I mean seriously they're on fucking rails.
CALL ME IGNORANT BUT FOKKIN RAILS M8
I do think that automation and tech has progressed a lot but I just don't think it's nearly at the level to say that we will be fully automated in 80 years. again FOOKIN TRAINS M8.
I mean maybe cars are a tough one but if analyzing objects is so hard then shit it's gonna be a bitch and a half trying to cheaply analyze the food in a grocery basket in a store and have only minor theft at the levels it occurs now. I've only seen that amazon store in seattle that does this and all those cameras and weight sensors makes it seems massively expensive.
Now that I've put that thought in my mind again my ignorance is showing. I think the real thing slowing automation down is just the cost of labor really. It seems like it's far too expensive to simply build a bunch of these automation plants when you can just pay a guy 20k a year to scan bar codes as opposed to developing a unique layout for hundreds of areas.
lemme just play pretend fuck I'm not a fuckin scientist
Cause then nobody would be there to collect the tickets silly user.
Lmao, it's cool, but seriously man. Nah you're good though.
Since the soundtrack just came on my phone I recommend the game 'Fate of the World' for PC, it's all about climate change, might teach you about it.
Help me out so fuckin,
temperature of earth would slowly rise which would lead to changes in climate.
more intense weather (I don't know how intense? like really big hurriance or summn?)
fuckin temp goes up so crops are diminished (I'm sure they would just put food in closed off areas and prices would increase) food still gets made
I mean people will survive it's not like the earth is going to become some unlivable ball of fire it's just going to have it's temperature increase and our quality of life would deteriate into some fucking hellscape but people would still be living.
Can't they just have automated ticket sellers those basically already exist
Can't they just put these down except just bigger and not easily jump overable.
And like not make trains crash into other ones with a simple train scheduling system? Trains seem like the easiest thing to automate
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Almost all kinds of natural disasters will be worse, except stuff like earthquakes or volcanos etc, so tsunamis, droughts, hurricanes, floods and storms in general, I think even tornados, will be more common and/or devastating.
The problem is also that rising sea levels will damage much of the arable land the world relies on, in some areas the climate will become much more dry which will also impact yields.
Obviously, not all food will stop being produced, but right now there is a huge risk that global food supplies will drop below what is needed to avoid mass starvation in certain parts of the world. Of course, the rich countries will survive, but increased prices will put pressure on the most poor both in the first world and much more severely in the third. This could lead to an unimaginable human catastrophe which currently we are doing little to avoid. This problem will be worsened yet further because chemical fertilisers are running out, and easy access to oil which is essential to modern food supply is as well.
I mean sure, most people will probably survive, but billions of people could die. You've missed out an important factor, which is that;
Many of the most highly populated areas of the world are close to sea level. Some countries, like Bangladesh and some island nations, could be wiped out ENTIRELY, while many others will see large sections of coastline unlivable. Of course, this too will mostly affect the third world, which can't afford climate defenses and so on. This will lead to a huge wave of possibly billions of climate refugees who are forced to move to higher and/or richer parts of the world, which will lead to yet another human crisis.
Overall, the crisis will make quality of life worse for basically everyone, some will die but most of us posting here will likely see instability, political repression, increased poverty, et cetera. In some areas this will certainly lead to terrible wars.
Dude!
I said it right here
"our quality of life would deteriate into some fucking hellscape but people would still be living"
I'm just happy the earth will continue to exist hopefully I can get my NEET bux before the apocolypse.
This one goes out for the doomers. Look however bad shit gets atleast the earth will keep on trucking the best thing you can do right now is take advantage of the luxuries that having a cleaner earth provides. Beef, cheap lettuce, beans, able to stick your head in grass. I had a steak like 6 weeks ago it was so good god damn I hope I can eat another one in like a month.
Well, sure, but it seemed like you and the other guy were a little confused about the details, so, yeah.
Crisis all around.
Communism or barbarism.
The question is how bad will global warming be? This depends on when fossil fuels are phased out, how much does global energy demand increase, and is geoenginering implemented?
If we made the switch to world socialism now, I think things wouldn't be /too/ bad still. But every year disastrous market economics continue the outcome gets worse.
The only non socialist solution I see it autocrat China taking the long view and simply forcing the rest of the world to go along with it (likely requires the collapse of the US for this to be possible).
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Terrible *nuclear* wars which could easily destroy industrial society leaving us with the ability to feed 1 billion people tops which means 10 billion have to die.
The direct effects of global warming are scary but its the indirect effects that everyone has to worry about.
Also we have to worry about nano technology turning us into gray goo and genetically engineered bacteria eating metal and plastics.
Uncle Ted is still trying to save us!
I have more hope in the Green New Deal movements in the US and Europe than I do in China. Only a portion of the bourgeoisie benefit from burning every hydrocarbon in the Earth, I can see the rest putting a stop to it.
We'd end up with the crappy society on the main planet in the Dispossessed but we'd survive. I'm looking forward to the cash I get from selling my intercontinental flight ration.
We'll probably get a crash like 1929 or worse.
Those were all me I'm the dumbass
That picture of is old. That area is now a stalled construction site because our oligarch was given hundreds of millions out of public school coffers to build an arena along with retail, office and residential space and he built the arena and parking but nothing else.
Blight is so oughts, the future is homeless men pulling shopping carts between fancy bars and stalled construction sites covered up with pictures of rich people smiling.
This would work in Europe if the Krouts would stop being afraid of nuclear energy. (Germany right now is actively phasing out nuclear energy). Any program to reduce C02 emissions and nuclear energy at the same time is unrealistic.
If you made this post before the Shale Revolution this would be true. However fracking has won. American Porkies don’t care what energy they use as long as they don’t have to buy it from Russia or Venezuela.
They are building lot’s of solar panels, but it’s mostly for export. They are increasing their use of nuclear energy, but their fossil fuel consumption is also increasing. In addition their importing fucking Shale Gas from America of all fucking things. (because Methane is great)
Our only hope is hoping that by 2030 when the envirmental crisis will have political effects that the left can come to power, work with the techies working on geoenginering, and try to reverse climate change.
How will China's oligarchs be stopped? With tanks?
Stop worrying about this, the gray goo has already won. All living things are collections of self replicating nanomachines but our world is not covered by one giant algae cancer tumor. We are they gray goo, embrace it.
Using a 125mm round to kill a person? Excessive and unsafe.
Solar panel efficiency is improving so rapidly I don't know if its even worth building new plants, but you're right phasing them out right now is dumb.
Oil prices are too low for shale to be worth it anymore. Bernie's got a good shot at becoming president, if he gets in I think things could change. Some of our porkies (the California ones) are starting to care.
Yes it is, aside from the deep sea and deserts the Earth is teeming with life.
I'm aware that I'm a pile of self-replicating nanomachines, I'm worried about being replaced by a more efficient gray goo that doesn't need to waste its time on metabolism and shit.
Not when the American government refuses to tax shale oil. The Share revolution wasn’t some random phenomena, but many decades of government funding for the creation of this technology and massive subsidies for it. Now that the benefits of this technology are becoming apparent the US gov and energy corporations won’t suddenly stop producing. Even if oil use in the US decreases, they will continue extraction and start exporting most of their production.
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Ok fag
full collapse
either extinct or a small remnant of it's current self.
In my city the metro trains are automated.
All the new ones in Asia are
One train in New York is but the rest aren't because liberal unions are fighting tooth and nail to keep bullshit jobs going.
Capitalism survives for a few centuries an all our shitposts, theories, and bickering was all for nothing.
2050: the rise of the black men.
In 2100 Africa will be the major superpower on earth and most of the races will have been whiped out under the dominance of superior black seed. Whitebois, chinese and mexicans can only dream of the bull-like nature that black men have.
Depressingly similar to the current world. The climate will be getting worse, but there'll still be lots of people denying global warming is a problem. Capitalism and authoritarianism will be worse, but there populace will still be apathetic.
The military will be largely automated. If we haven't had a successful revolution by this point, it will be effectively impossible. The third world will be fucked by climate change and there will be all sorts of problems caused by shortages of land/food/water/energy.
Going further out, I don't think humanity will be the dominant form of life on Earth by 2300. If we're lucky we'll be taken care of by benevolent machines. If we're unlucky, we'll be extinct. Either way, life will have undergone another radical advancement by replacing random mutation with intentional self-improvement.
Most of these AI problems are about equally difficult. It's always the edge cases which are the hardest to deal with, and those require something significantly closer to artificial general intelligence.
Honestly I think we'll reach a tipping point within the next century when suddenly 75% of jobs will disappear within a decade as one or two key hurdles are overcome.
Nanoscopic gray goo isn't too scary on its own. If the last few centuries of human history are any indication, intelligent life is generally capable of out-competing dumb microorganisms. You should be more afraid of the hyper-intelligent self-replicating life which probably exists somewhere in the universe.
I honestly can't say, and that is what makes me worried.
So many things seem to be in the balance in these very passing moments, and I fear the smallest failure might lead us down a dark road, where even the slow and torturous withering away of humanity following a nuclear holocaust would seem like a passing of an era with a promise of the peace of the grave for Man.
I'm worried a future may be approaching, where tech and automation will advance to a point where everyone but the elite have become superfluous, disposable, dependent and chained down. A future, where most of mankind is subjugated by machines and omniscience beyond any might to dream struggling against, a useless remnant to be swept away in the most practical way available. And I fear the masses would willingly, even joyfully, choose to march like lambs to the slaughter, deceived or impregnated into acceptance by the state of society.
I fear a future where capital finds a way to transform, for it's hell to survive in another form, mostly unchanged.
But perhaps the most torturous thing is the hope, the thought that there is another kid of future that is still possible, and it being one which may be slipping out of our grasp.
Make no mistake, I trust capital, animalistic and rudderless as it is, to not be able of sustaining itself. Even in the best of times it melts down, and the shifts we seem to be facing appear to guarantee conflict
But what if? Conflict alone does not guarantee victory. Therefore every effort, every passing second for organizing, for educating, for agitating, seem to me to be invaluable. What once required decades to grow seems to now must be reached in mere years. There may be only one or two grand chances left. This pressing aura of urgency irritates me. I do not wish to waste time, but nor do I want to take the risk of being careless and ahead of myself or standing realities.
But what ever way we go, I must choose to fight and struggle. I say this to remind myself: Better to die trying.
Climate change has started to kick in and yet is doesn't represent the largest threat to collective survival. The economy has swallowed the whole world. Yet it hungers for more and the very material economy is at the mercy of structural fragility.
Hopefully by then Nick Land will be proven right and the galaxy is populated by machines.
You have it backwards. Being a quick shot is bourgeoisie.
Antibiotcs do cause resistent plagues. But not vaccines. In fact, less vaccines make it easier for their to be more plagues.
It means measles can mix with multiresistant bacteria
Measles is a virus. It can’t mix with bacteria.
If I had to guess I would say further ecological destruction and further erosion of the work-life balance, and eventually increasing automation, will create conditions for socialist revolution. Probably the climate refugees in the future will massively dwarf the Syrian-Middle Eastern refugee crisis, this massive influx alone, I think, will reshape the foundations of nation-states and politics as we know them and can imagine them today.
By 2050 I imagine we will be in increasingly-serious crisis, and I would hope that socialism would now be at least a notable power in the world. I would hope that maybe small parts of Europe with rich histories of socialist movements and agitation would have had socialist revolutions or maybe even democratic transitions, and that there were powerful revolutionary movements like in the early 1900s across Europe. I would hope there is that "spark of revolution" in the air, like there once was. If the Chinese, as they officially plan to do, transition into socialism by 2049, they might be a world power that helps young socialist countries and movements. That could mean that socialist countries wouldn't necessarily be subject to autarky or isolation. A socialist Union de l'Europe isn't unimaginable to me, maybe eventually a socialist Eurasia
By 2100 I would hope that socialism is a serious world power as it once was. Maybe due to the increasingly severe crisis we would even have achieved the solidification of socialism in the world at large.
At least that is what my optimistic side says. Probably end up in some sort of dystopian techno-liberal fever dream like though.
space, motherfucker
do you travel there???
all this depressive muh climate bullshit is really wearing thin for me
pollution and overpopulation is a GOOD SIGN: it means we're ready for the next phase of DNA's evolution, to migrate out into space!!!
we're finished with the terrestrial, the hominid, with euclid and newton. be done with it you fags. evolve!! take LSD in a float tank and look at a picture of the Earth from space if you don't believe me. the science is there to back this up since the 1970's, but the narrative is always terrestrial. 'oh, what's gonna happen, what's gonna happen?' stop worrying, stop finding mates in the retarded earth's gene pooles, give everything up to creepy-hive-state-socialism and move energy production out into fucking High Orbit.
we're done here. solar energy works 1k x better out in space. it's not going to be a problem. the problem is the massive war machine, the nukes and aircraft carriers and the literal apes in charge of them. the mammalian behavior of getting angry, submitting to authority, and disputing over over 2D space is something vertebrates developed 1,000 million years ago, so are we done YET? believe in the power of The Small. disintegrate this nonsense and cripple the ape's power over us and claim immortal life in the stars! LEL bless us
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Right wing insurgency in America either by or just after the elections. Will probably look something like the Italian Years of Lead, worst case is something like a white nationalist Shining Path style campaign in Jefferson, California or the midwest.
I understand, I meant the description he gave of the future.
ah, i understand