Anime is the opiate of the masses and a by-product of japanese post-war hypercapitalism

No silly, it's because imageboards are filled with reactionary weeaboos, and most anime is garbage (not surprising given the rate at which Japan pumps shit out), so the anime hate is expected and also understandable.

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Let me introduce you to the good version of that anime.
The NEETs actually band together to take down the government at the end

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Spectator sports is a cancer on society. Under communism it'll be replaced with wholesome communal athleticism, and competitive fervor will be focused on more interesting activities.

It must be "special" in some way for OP at the very least, seeing he singled it out for some reason.

The reason must be we're posting on a xiongnu handbasket-weaving chatroom instead of a professional SPORTS forum I guess.

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Japanese Animation isn't different from any animation technique or whatever, but it was degenerated by consumerism, but it also propagates otaku culture which is the most grotesque consumerist way of life. Literally just work to consume anime shit.

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why?, fully agreed
Anime can't never be part of the revolution.
"Left/Communist" anime doesnt exist

What’s you’re point? Anime is in no way unique in this aspect. Ever notice that the theme of like half the stories and plays from feudalism and classical antiquity “accept your place in life and defy, challenge or even upset the monarchy”

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Mao was right.

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Reminds me of manufacturing consent

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only fags and depressed losers watch anime, Instead of watching that garbage do something with your life.

Name one thing you can “do with your life” that isn’t either gated off or costs a substantial amount of money. Go to the library? Dick around in the park?

I'm practicing revolutionary celibacy by masturbating to hentai. What have you done?

Aren't they tacitly approving of what is happening, though?

Nothing, they're all trash. Chuck it in the fucking GARBAGE when revolution comes and strangle all the numales.

Get a girl and lose your virginity, learn a new skill, exercise.

Fuck off, normie

And where do you go to get a girl? Is there some collective commons dating space I’m unaware of where there’s no expectation of spending money?
Where do you go to learn new skills for free?
You can exercise by yourself, I’ll give you that, but if you want to join the “fitness community” in some way, you need to pay out.

This is what I’m getting at. Anime and video games are, above all else, cheap and readily available.

Sport spectatorship is largely so disgustingly repulsive that it largely doesn't need discussion in the first place.

and waifu's?

You might want to actually watch the movie. Basically ends with the cops saying it's better to have a fake peace than a real war.

NHK never endorsed any of that, it's just what the main character ends up doing. He didn't seem to be happy about it.

read this as

damn my rpg mind

Oshii agrees with the villains he writes, that's the entire point. The ending reflects the reality of the world where the largest events can occur and yet nothing changes. The ending is meant to be bittersweet. A crisis that could kill innocents is adverted, but all the actors are forced to go back to what they were doing. They continue to cynically live the illusion they are aware of because that's all they can ever hope for and its all they've known. Is it depressing with no conclusion? Yes. But that's what Oshii does for a lot of his work, and you would know that if you watched Jin-Roh or GiTS. And a lot of the time, that's what happens in the real world too.

No, I think I get it.
I'm just tired of that kind of that trope in media.
It's the whole "Yeah, this shit sucks but, eh, what are you gonna do?". It's true there are leftist who would understand the nuances, but I know liberals who actually recognize the problems with capitalism, but remain entirely cynical toward any project to change it.The point goes over their heads. Media like this is great at embodying the times we are living in, but it's a work of fiction that doesn't progress pass capitalist realism.
Watching it frustrates me how the broader points fly under the radar.

Convince me to watch it.

You have to understand Oshii is a leftist who's cynicism comes from the anti-AMPO student protests he was involved in. The protests were some of the largest ever seen in Japan and it was at this time the Japanese left was at its peak. Yet despite all the outcry and momentum, the 1960s amendment went through anyway. And what happened afterwords? Did anyone push further? Did people wake up to the "illusion"? No, instead everyone forgot about it, went along with their lives, and the left faded away. Oshii is a person trying to send a message, but at the same time feels people are never going to wake up. To repost an interview (this is after the Sarin attack):

I guess I can't really argue with his kind of deep pessimism but is the Japanese Left really that beaten down?

Political/Economic Individualism != Social Individiualism
Social individualism is a good thing and should be and has been focused on by leftists heavily.

Yes

interesting. name ?

Honestly the Marx anime was kind of shit. It goes the route of telling a dry biographical story of his life with nearly no elaboration as to why he's actually fighting. Episode 5 is the only one with any kind of agitational power. Not to mention the animation is shit.

If you want a Marx biopic, The Young Karl Marx is better both as propaganda and as an introduction to his ideas.

Isn't Jin-Roh like peak "both sides" liberalism though? Are you saying the intended experience for the viewer is to disagree with every single character on screen?

A world that I rule

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Is this the anime adaptation of Slumdog Millionaire? Nice.

One of the more poignant critiques to come out of Oshii's work comes through in Patlabor 2 and GITS the best.

Crises appear in the works as a managed reconstituting feature of society, with different sections of the bourgeoisie embroiled in their intercompetition for a profitable condition.

A Militaristic state that can siphon its advanced technocapital into imperial projects and lay claim to investment in the annexed territories vs the decadent economy based on real estate megaprojects, heavy industry works and risk based finanzcapital undergirded by an autonomic laborforce whose malfunctions are policed by the latest technological development in the management and upkeep of autonomic labour process- I-i mean robot cops. Patlabor 2)

often the division of labor is portrayed in such a way that in the face of social monstrocities of urban megacapital each reshuffling casts a shadow in real events, but is unable to disrupt Capitalism as it is.

They show Imperialism in check, the redivision of territories, the test of strength so catastrophic and costly that it can only be played out on the peripheries of empire or within the state beauracracy itself.

whilst Oshii is jaded. I think the way he framed Ghost in the shell showed some of his hand. Its a stab in the dark, but I think he jumped on the whole "future meeting the present" bandwagon.

Oh… it's this thread again… what a joy.
Any kind of media or product can be used as an opiate, that does not intrinsically make Anime as a whole an opiate.
Not really, Anime as the consumerist fast-print shit we get today only came into being during the late 90s when animating stuff became cheap as hell and the US market became open to this stuff, prior to that anime was less profit and more like an animated art form. You see this in stuff like Gundam, the works of Miyazaki, Evangelion etc. So the type of anime you're referring is a result of the Japanese market reviving after the mass collapse in the late 80s/early 90s

TL;DR
Ethical consumption under capitalism does not exist, products that are not inherently ideological, are used to one or another ideology because the market. The anime industry's current exploitative methods are an exploitation of anime as a media just as it is an exploitation of those who enjoy it.

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Easier said than done, especially today.
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I've never put stock in that rubbish quote.
Art for art's sake has and does exist. Try to tell me that a Still Life by any of the Renaissance painters has some 'ideology' or is somehow defined to a political class. What is political in a bowl of fruit?

Yes a portrait of a politician or rich man is indeed targeted to their class and politics, however it is to a completely shallow extent. Who do we remember when we see those paintings, what do we think?
We don't remember the rich fuck but the artist who made it with hard work and talent, We don't think about who those rich men were but rather admire the beauty of the painting and try to interpret the scenes for our selves.

An artist, besides their artistic craft, is otherwise an ordinary person doing barely better (and often worse) than workers. Unlike ordinary work where the wages are relatively constant, artists often made a commission and then used that money to support them as they artwork they wanted to do for themselves. Then when that ran out they would have to do another commission, if they could find one. Read about the lives of almost any artist; most were filled with poverty and tragedy and hardship no different to workers. Mao's dismissive "proletarian or nothing" ideology was a load of shit based in ignorance of the subject.

There is a reason that Sholokhov's Quiet Flows the Don got him the Stalin Prize for literature. Stalin was as dedicated to the cause as anyone, and most would state that he was even over-zealous in that regard (cue the muh repressions). Or A Dog's Heart by Bulgakov… it was bitterly anti-soviet, but it was also a work of literary art and thus deserved its right to exist. It wasn't some shitty, low level propaganda or some anti-soviet rant, but merely a story that ridiculed the over-eagerness of the bolsheviks. Moreover the soviet censorship was not lax at all with anti-soviet crap, the only reason Solzhenitsyn's early works were even released was because Khruschev was eager to discredit Stalin after the Secret Speech got out.

Of course you always have 'modern artists' like that fag Andy Warhole… That's not art, it's just fucking around with images and pretending you've made something. This shit has only gotten worse, (mostly due to CIA support).

I can go on and on… point is not all art/literature/culture belongs to a definite class or is geared to certain politics/ideology. Even art and culture that IS at least somewhat political can be appreciated by other classes. That is why Hemingway, despite his support for socialism and workers has his literature appreciated by countries that are anti-communist. That is why Charlie Chaplin, in spite of his banishment during the Red Scares, was appreciated the world over. Hollywood (before the CIA tightened its grip) produced films like Spartacus and Ben Hur that were clearly revolutionary and anti-elitist and were acclaimed. Etc. etc.

TL;DR
Muh proletarian culture purism is bullshit.

I think there are fewer anime fans than opium addicts, so you can't really say it has mass appeal.
You're otherwise correct though. I just question whether there's anything wrong with escapism when the world's as shit as it is.

Saved, going to use it against liberals that caterwaul about muh bootstraps.

Jin-Roh is partly about the internal security and enforcement operatives of a fascist government eating itself alive (meant to reflect the real world infighting between the SA and SS), and mostly about a man being forced to kill any last vestige of his humanity to fulfill his role to the "pack". The protesters are not the bad guys, and while the Panzer Cops armor is meant to be this large, intimidating, sleek looking thing that you're supposed to initially find both impactful and on a primal level cool, you are forced at the end to realize that it's nothing more than an empty shell meant to hold an empty husk of man and shield him from both the world and his humanity. Everyone in Jin-Roh is wearing a mask meant to cover themselves and shield them from acknowledging what they're doing or address others on a human level. That this is just the job and it's not personal. The armor is just more literal compared to all the other non-Panzer Cop characters.

Guys, OP is just another one of those spooked machismo-obsessed Xennial jocks.
Men born in the 1970s and 80s are all suffering from some personal "masculinity crisis." Thats why the right is now so powerful; it's not jaded zoomers, but jaded Xennials.

So it's just another version of "it can't be helped" then.

Kind of? But its less, "This system is all we've got and nothing better can exist even if we tried, so lets just be happy and stuff" and more "A better system could exist, but no one is waking up to the problems of the current one to the point things will actually change, so we can either continue on with our lives knowledgeable of the problems but unable to do anything, or die early". As I said before , Oshii got super blackpilled from the 60s protests. A liberal take would be "we can only be happy and make the world better place through our feelings ^_^" while Oshii would say "Things are fucked, the world is fucked, people aren't waking up, if you know this you can either live with the unhappy knowledge or die because nothing will change, and even if you do die no one will care enough to actually change things."

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I dislike most anime, but to everyone in this thread calling for it to be banned, please think about what you just wrote for 10 secs please thank you.
Also what do you guys think about that Black Lagoon arc with the Japanese Red Army in it

Anime feet are very useful for combatting the effects of alienation.

wat i dont remember that episode

me neither

In the past marxist japanases hidden his ideology throg tales for kids, in the present they use anime and manga to express their disconformed with capitalist:

For me was:

Log Horizon: by his realization of materialist dialectic topics and the develop of capitalism since feudalism and the exploitation of dominated classes. And also, a inteseant version of how the world wer if we'd live in a videogame system economy and sociaty .

Gost in teh shell:

I remember the episode automated capitalism, without spoiler, this episode in a nutshell talking us how capitalist accumulate money without any effort, the message is very strong.

Little witch academy: Just see this

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Ghibli movies: Anti imperialism, capitalism and with socialists messages, all their works oozed that.
PD: I CAN'T FIND THIS SCENE WITH ENG SUBS

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Legend of the Galactic Heroes: The most marxism anime ever, nothing to declare

And there are another series with silly influences like Che guevara, and another marxists, but they're not element relevant in the history. I guest there are more anime than I mentioned btw but if you just take the popular anime like exmpale of your argument well… This conversation has not sense.

In what way was LoGH marxist? Zig Forums loves it because of its imperialism.

people this has already all been covered in the board created for such discussion
>>>/leftyweebpol/
There is even a separate little witch academia thread

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this episode and the one after it

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fuck sorry

Reminder

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The USSR dissolution is basically what the bad ending of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann looks like.

Is pic 1 from Infinite Stratos? Cause I think a major plot point of the first season was that a rouge American experiment IS caused a shit-ton of problems.

Then all it is another piece of capitalist realism. Even if the author thinks all he is doing is pointing out a problem, by failing to imagine a different future the message received by the audience is that the world can't be changed.

Read the name of the pic (it reminded me of GATE too)

It was better in the manga. The JRA guy was allied with Palestine fighters.

Agreed. Pessimism is counterrevolutionary.

Its difficult not to be a pessimist.

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Anime is just cartoon for perverts.

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fujoshit and cgdct are fucking disgusting

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I know.
And Japanese people tend to be fatalist and accept any shit that get thrown at them without fighting back. They are genuinely fantastic people trapped in a system that only sees them as cogs in a machine. They don't need more pessimistic, "nothing can be done about it" stuff.

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"It can't be helped" ;)

first lite up the opiate

Do you know how much media there is of "rebels fighting and winning against an oppressive system"? Do you think any of that actually inspires people to take action? If anything, THAT serves as an opiate to people, where their pent up aggression and dissatisfaction in things is played out on screen for them, and they can imagine this ideal scenario they can keep in their heads where everything works out perfectly. What Oshii's work is meant to do is both act as a dissection of the people and circumstances of a world not so far of from our own (both literally and figuratively), and show people the harsh reality of the shit we are in. To wake up people from the illusion of imperialist based peace and marketed happiness to how utterly fucked things are. Again, there was huge sense of optimism in the 60s protests, and what did it do? Nothing, because people could go out after they failed and find comforts that alleviated their suffering and appeased their revolutionary desires. Actual media pointing out the flaws of the system should depress people. It should push them to the breaking point where they can never go back from not seeing it, to realize that they are constantly in this shit and no amount of dating sims or light novels or kawaii shit will save them from it. Only then after the spectacle is broken can socialists come in and offer the solution, the only real solution, to what can take us out of it.

I think the JRA guy's friend is supposed to a member of some PFLP like organization.

But isn't pizza really just the opiate of the world since the Ancient Romans cooked it in their pizza stoves?

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u r 100% correct.

based oshii poster

as if fucking gurren lagann or whatever has made anyone anti-anything

Japan produces a lot of cuckime than actual anime. See this .

Is that Hoenecker?

their communist party was pretty based

This reminds me of the Japanese politician who got killed by a Nationalist with a sword. Right-wingers seem to get-off on remembering that.

why would I?

Ironically the person he killed (Inejiro Asanuma) was more "nationalist" than the nationalist killing him, as pretty much the only reason Inejiro was a "socialist" was because he saw it as a way of ending America's occupation of Japan. Inejiro literally used to be far-right and backed Tojo before and during the war.

“Nationalism” just means “Yum Yum AmeriCum” for the right.

they get off on allot of things, like drowning cats and rape.

I think it's funny how right wingers in the West praised Japan for their anti-immigration policies, but then Abe is the one who opens up the country to allow for more immigrants from south-east asia to work in Japan in awful conditions, a move opposed by almost every opposition party including the JCP. What a funny little world we live in.

I already wrote it in some other thread but see if you guys can find Seventeen by Kenzaburo Oe. It's a satirical book about Asanuma's killer that got fascists so butthurt, it got recalled from libraries.

This post seems like a stupid excuse to post loli on Zig Forums