Why is it that proles around the world are by and large so class-cucked? I understand why they don't vote for communist parties due to cultural hegemony, material conditions not being bad enough in the first world etc. But they don't, a lot of the time, even vote for socdem parties - they either don't vote at all or actively support their own class enemies.
Examples: In India, Narendra Modi, the right-wing nationalist, is leading polls massively. Whilst in office he has pursued typical neoliberal policies. India is dirt poor and has a large proletariat. Why do they vote for him? In Britain, polls show Labour leading in the polls for the next general election (not to be confused with EU election). Yet they only take around 35% of the vote, when proles must make up near 90% of the population, and the proper working class (i.e. not PMC's) make up at least 70%. In America, lots of white proles vote republican, whilst black proles seem to vote democrat (although I can kind of understand that because they are less racist).
I don't think I need to go on. In fact, there are very few countries right now where the left, even just the socdem left, is doing well. Why is this? Obviously a big reason why proles vote against their class interests is because they are religious or nationalistic - typically this applies more to rural proles. But why is that? How are they persuaded to actively vote against their own interests? The typical leftist response I have seen is 'they aren't confronted with a real alternative to traitorous socdems'. But this isn't true any more. In Europe we have Corbyn, Die Linke, France Unbowed and so on, which are all proper demsoc parties, and in the third world you have actual communist parties that are relevant, like the CPI(M) in India. So I don't think the standard answer to my question can be true any more.
How do you expect the working class to fight for their interests when they dont even know what their interests are? Its always been up to the Communists since the time of Marx to raise class consciousness among the working class. The reason the proletariat doesn't vote for Stalinists, soc-dems, and liberals is because these groups have consistently betrayed them and as of now there is only the ICFI, SEP, and the WSWS which fights for the working class and their perspective simply is not heard by the vast majority of proles yet. When the proles are not aware of genuine Marxism, sections of them get pulled towards fascism because it offers the most "radical" solution to their problems whilst maintaining capitalist rule.
Cameron Morales
Hmm yes I'm sure the revolution will come when the proles all start reading the WSWS and hearing a totally new analysis that is completely different from all the thousands of other trot cults out there. I reckon the only thing that stops revolution is the tiny bit of theory that the other communist parties haven't got just right.
I hope you're trolling but I fear you aren't. If you genuinely believe that that is the reason then you are not a Marxist, just some weird cultist who faps over the WSWS
Dylan Martinez
You're vastly underestimating the amount of poor people who simply don't vote. In a lot of first world countries even if voter turnout is generally high the class distribution is often petite-bourg or bourg who of course vote for their class interests. This is by design by the way, with voting being held on workdays, districting, hiring bourgeoise to count the votes, etc etc. Workers who do vote and vote for right wingers do it because much of the Left left behind working class rhetoric and organizing in favor of internal ideological civil wars and retreat into academia, ceding ground to ghouls who posture as populists. Because the Spectacle dominates literally everything now it doesn't matter how these right wingers govern because their appearance is as a man of the people fighting whatever boogeyman other than the real one (capitalism) they've decided to blame working people's problems on
Because proles are just as invested in capitalism as the bourgeoisie is.
Christian Carter
No, revolutionary conditions come when the objective situation has devolved to a point where the working class needs a revolution to avoid death by war or economic crisis. The job of a Communist is to have a vanguard party in place during those times so the working class has guidance on what needs to be done. Besides the ICFI and SEP, there simply is no other Marxist vanguard in existence.
Lincoln Walker
This is you
Retard, guarantee you're not Working Class.
Leo Moore
The only solution is create islamo-trap sects in the name of muhammad.
You should read more trotsky. Lenin's great contribution was the concept of a vanguard party which Trotsky accepted. Difference now is that through the efforts of Trotsky and genuine Marxists, the ICFI has established vanguard parties throughout the world which was not the case during the Russian Revolution and in the final analysis is a decisive factor in the Stalinist degeneration of the USSR with the advancement of the "socialism in one country", a fundamentally anti-marxist conception.
