HIV/AIDS created by CIA

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infektion

The source for this being a conspiracy started by the commies is the Mitrokhin Archive. But people already knew about MKNAOMI and Fort Detrick by the time the AIDS scare happened and could have easily guessed. NYC and San Diego were two favorite bioweapon testing areas since the late 40s and onwards which went wrong and resulted in several deaths.

What if the "Operation Infektion" files are a forgery? The Mitrokhin Archive seems to be selectively showing things that make the commies look bad but am I really supposed to believe the disclosures weren't "sanitized" and removed anything like "It was the KGBs belief that The West run by a committee called The 40 who blackmailed pedophiles and marshalled them into the CIA, politics and journalism to maintain control"? You know, factual but anti-western stuff like that?

Ebola appeared during the Cold War too. But HIV/AIDS was particularly odd.

Who was Patient Zero for real? You hear at school "some african who did it with a monkey" and some people say a Canadian guy or a british man before that. Who are some non-CIA mockingbird sources who were actually tracking the spread?

During McCarthyism there was a big thing about homosexuals being a national security risk and a tendency to become double agents. What if this was cooked up as a gay removal weapon in the 50s and leaked out years later. It does affect gay men disproportionately even if that's not PC.

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HIV/AIDS was created because of Belgian Colonialism. Essentially King Leopold fucked up the agriculture in Congo so badly that slaves & workers there were forced to start eating bushmeat; over time the disease transferred. At least that's how one story goes. There was even a thread about it here recently.

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(Don't think you can crosslink archived threads on 8ch)

It affects Gay Men disproportionately mainly just because transmission is easier through unprotected anal sex and the time where the epidemic happened there was less casual unprotected heterosexual sex. If AIDS emerged now I'd imagine it'd be a much bigger crisis among Heterosexuals simply because there are so many more of them, and ofc the problem would have been addressed immediately. The biggest factor involved in the AIDS crisis was essentially that Homosexuals were already stigmatized into a higher rate of subcultural behaviour. A lot of these men lived closeted lifestyles, you combine that with the taboo of AIDS not only could it ruin you to come out but the reality is that there just never was any support for these people which made the problem so much worse. Something I notice a lot of people never bringing up is the frequency of AIDS amongst prison populations despite the fact that it has a much higher incidence of risk than even during the crisis itself as far as I'm aware, which makes sense for a multitude of reasons. I'd imagine that prisoners are given treatment now though, after all, porky has to maintain his slaves.

It's possible that it could be some kind of grand conspiracy, and there certainly are conspiratorial tones in the abscence of information, so I think it's correct to be suspicious of it, given the history we know about US chemical warfare & development. The one that still shocks me now is the fact that the US recruited Japanese War Criminals to reverse engineer the Black Death and then used it in the Korean War.

IIRC the reason it disproportionately infects blacks is because Africans were not affected by the Black Death to the same extent as Eurasians (particularly Europeans).

Apparently, the diseases effect the immune system in a similar way. A small percentage of Euro descendant people are actually immune to aids altogether bc of this.

Better theory: general lack of education and condoms.

But it can't transfer orally, the stomach kills the virus before it enters the host. It did affect heterosexuals a lot through blood transfusions since contaminated blood was regularly used in such transfusions. Wasn't it due to a few corrupt Belgians raping a bunch of the local population that they also forced to have sex with animals? Though one can wonder why the disease appeared so late in human history considering some civilizations have used bestiality as a form of punishment to girls in the past.

Homosexual are more promiscuous, men naturally due to higher testosterone seek out more partners and are more inclined to indulge in risky sexual behavior. There's little reason for men to use condoms except to prevent diseases. HIV is much less worse in modern day though where medicine repressed the virus. Though I don't think the long term use of that medication is very positive on the liver, or other organs. Some of the potential cures show a lot of promise and maybe by 2030 we'll have a cure.


Partly that. It's also well documented some regimes actively denied existence and counter measures against HIV when outbreaks were happening in hospitals (infected blood through transfusions) and among the population. A good example of this would be South Africa. The high ratio of gay community having it send off some bells so leaders early on labeled it a gay only disease (which contributed to the spread of it among heterosexuals). It's fairly obvious it spread so fast under gays, since their natural higher sex drive, higher partner count and preference for anal sex meant it would be easiest to transfer between them. Also they would rarely use condoms they weren't needed. The only dangerous diseases known were syphilis which was easily curable and declining rapidly (also low chance to receive) and hepatitis which I believe was also curable.

Read the thread and sources that he linked, idiot. Bushmeat gives you a different virus that mutates to HIV under certain conditions. Those conditions include very promiscuous sex and having other infections. The reason it turned into HIV under Belgian rule was that the Belgians raped tons of African women to death.

studies have shown that thanks to the Black Death of the Medieval Era 10% of white people are HIV resistant…..which honestly kinda confuses me given

a) HIV and its predecessor SIV (simian immune deficiency) along with all closely related viruses were safely locked in the depths of Africa's gnarliest jungles until the Belgians went on their Rubber-n-Maiming spree back in the late 19th century
b) Bubonic Plague is a fucking bacteria and thus should have zero fucking impact on virus resistance
c) China and the Middle East were almost equally badly hit by the Bubonic Plague during this same era (thanks to the Mongol Empire which was the primary international spreader of the plague before it hit europe via traders fleeing the city of Kaffa where the Mongols were besieging and throwing plague corpses into the city to weaken them) and dont seem to have picked up this resistance

Purebred Northern Europeans possess a hereditary immunity to infection by HIV, a gene (CCR5Delta 32) that conferred immunity to the Black Death, long believed to have been bubonic plague. Bubonic plague was a major focal point of Third Reich biological weapons research, stemming from SS chief Heinrich Himmler’s interest in that disease.

Disguised as a cancer research program, Nazi Germany’s plague research was presided over by Kurt Blome, the deputy surgeon general of the Third Reich. Blome went to work for the U.S. under Project Paperclip (also known as Operation Paperclip.) Was Nazi research into bubonic plague and the emergence of an immune-destroying disease to which only pure-bred Northern Europeans–“Aryans”–were immune might have been the outgrowth of Nazi-inspired U.S. biological weapons research stemming from Paperclip?

Another development in that context is noteworthy: When the U.S. officially “gave up” biological warfare research, Fort Detrick–the military’s top bw research facility, was officially turned over to the National Cancer Institute’s Viral Cancer Research Project. Featuring veterans of the U.S. biological warfare research program, the NCI’s VCP was implemented by Litton Bionetics, a biotechnology subsidiary of Litton Industries, a major defense contractor. The National Cancer Institute’s Viral Cancer Research Project was at the epicenter of U.S. research into AIDS. We strongly suspect that this was a recapitulation of the Third Reich’s use of “cancer research.”

Just as “Aryans” possess a hereditary immunity to HIV infection, people of African descent have a hereditary susceptibility to HIV infection.

Just as Project Paperclip figures into analysis of the development of AIDS, development of aspects of the so-called New Age also track back to the importation of Nazi military scientists. Of particular interest in that regard are racist/eugenicist New Age philosophies that attribute the origins of humanity to “space aliens” with “Aryan” features–blonde hair, blue eyes and fair skin.

Foremost among those New Age cults is “The Nine”–overlapping a surprisingly large aspect of the New Age. Purporting to be, variously, the progenitors of the human race (from outer space, of course) and the gods of Egypt, “The Nine” feature the blonde hair, blue eyes, etc. that are common to many of the “ET” origins of humanity.

Overlapping these “Aryan” extraterrestrial New Age philosophies are related outlooks maintaining that black people are inferior and do not originate from “outer space.”

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CIA probably just weaponized SIV until it was ripe for dissemination as HIV tbh

ngl this meme is pretty shit, way too long

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exactly this

The stupid is strong with you

I read the whole thing tbh, but I am the choir.

I was going to call bullshit on for these exact reasons but some preliminary research makes it actually seem plausible.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yersinia_pestis

Apparently despite being completely different and unrelated organisms they have similar methods of attack, and if Europeans had already developed immune responses to diseases that suppress the immune system it'd make sense there'd be a bit of a resistance to HIV (or at the very least putting up enough of a fight to delay AIDS progression).

Why?

If they really made it, they wouldn't call it something as stupid as "operation infektion", it would be something like "operation alpaca" or something very inconspicuous.

It's a secret operation why would they care?

this is probably patient 0

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probably someone who was handling bushmeat in central africa

the origin of aids documentary (2004)
youtube.com/watch?v=yRDsYqvrYgI

Me too, I need a source on that one.

What about Asians and Africans? They experienced the plague along with the rest of Eurasia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes
nrt24.ru/en/news/available-first-time-general-public-evidence-about-use-us-biological-weapons-during-korean-war

actually i don't think Africa was really affected

The plague came from Asia carried by fleas on the backs of Black Rats that got onto European trading ships.

i was thinking, since Cuba created a way to prevent HIV from going from mother to baby, Is there a way for it to be prevented from going between a positive sexual partner and a negative one. That way after a few generations AIDs and HIV would essentially die off.

I think it's too short, there are ways to take LSD that will really teach you dialectics and maybe also give you such a horror of the flesh or maybe make you a cannibal or w/e, Situationist penal psychiatry is the future.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV#Treatment_and_Transmission

AIDs will eventually disappear.

not while people like Shkreli exist

I mean there are several drugs that exist that already prevent blood-to-blood transmission at an incredibly high rate.

It is horrible that the cured HIV, the research funds could have been used for something useful, because aids has so much hype degenerates can now enjoy their decadence unpunished again. Someone should develop an HIV+ to kill all the sexhavers.

lol

If everything is CIA, nothing is CIA. Conspiratard magical thinking is one of the greatest threats to real consciousness .

Better to trust nothing than anything

CIA?

anyone have documents on this stuff?

Because if someone gets their hands on a big stack of intelligence agency files they won't have anything in particular that catches their eye. Look at the CIA operation names like MKULTRA/PBSUCCESS/AMLASH, they don't have any clue as to their contents from the names.

wait what's the story behind this one?

It's a meme about how Operation Mockingbird is essentially just LSD experiments and other shit on people.

What's SIV?

Simian Immunodeficiency Virus, it's the virus HIV developed from (Simian as in Apes).

Oh, right, I forgot about that one. I think that was referenced earlier indirectly when talking about bush meat.

hello cia

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well theres a peculiar case of an abused adolescent in LA having the same exact symptoms and early death of the original california AIDs cases in the 1980s, its peculiar because the case dates to the 1960s

you dumb nigger, the entire pharmaceutical acts like shkreli times 10

You're proving his point, so you're the "dumb nigger" m8.

damn this thread sinks fast

Goo news
'Pharma Bro' Martin Shkreli Loses Appeal, Will Stay In Prison

Martin Shkreli — the former pharmaceutical CEO widely known as "Pharma Bro" — lost his bid to overturn a seven-year prison sentence for fraud Thursday. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit affirmed Shkreli's 2017 conviction.

npr.org/2019/07/18/743130735/pharma-bro-martin-shkreli-loses-appeal-will-stay-in-prison

And the rest of them are high and dry

I once heard on a liberal podcast about how conspiracy theorizing is an inherently reactionary project, and I remember mostly agreeing with the large adult boy about why this is the case.

I don't really think that America is worth defending, but I also don't believe that America was or is competent enough to engage in this level biological warfare. The real issue that's undeniable is that the American government purposefully murdered thousands of gay men by allowing a known epidemic to continue unchecked because of genocidal homophobia and religious zealotry, and this was at the same time that this Soviet agitprop was taking place. Deprived of their humanity and dignity, gay men naturally had no recourse under capitalism when faced with an epidemic of this magnitude deadliness. In other words, this particular conspiracy theory both gives America too much credit in technical ability and prognostication while also letting it off the hook in the very real, measurable, and undeniable way that it murdered its own in a particularly cruel display of hegemonic violence against the poor and marginalized. Watching your child drown over an excruciatingly long period while lecturing him about how its his own fault and this is divine retribution, actually is still murder through neglect. It's at least negligent homicide on a social scale and borders on attempted genocide.

Don't underestimate glownigs m8.

Americans are fat, stupid, and loud, even ones that joined army intelligence and went to a state school.
Sorry, the panopticon is old hat, and these dumbfucks know they're on the way out.

From what I’ve heard is that aids is technically a liquid crystal sort of chemical. Read from experts that the strangest thing is that the firsts who caught aids were researchers living in Africa with their families. From all the information gathered it equals foul treatment to them by Africans. Many even passed on the aids virus to their relatives by sharing personal things which means they received high dosages.

I heard the African elites know what it is as they started the campaigns to win favor. The problem is finding a cure. In some circles aids it’s treated as poisonings and not a true illness. They always have to find patient zero because it’s a recycling ordeal.

Maybe, but the CIA is also clever, manipulative and the USA along with its special forces is well versed in warfare and misery.

Really wish I had a webm of that bit from Xavier Renegade Angel

explain how the fuck anyone could invent a disease in the 1980s. it’s literal twilight zone tier sci-fi.

You do realize that bio-engineering viruses and bacteria for biological warfare was extensively researched right? The USA rescued Japanese warcriminal scientists to do this after WW-2 and applied it in combat like in Korea.

notice how you guys are just like the Zig Forums niggers who say that HIV is actually just gay dudes being degenerate and smoking too much meth and weakening their immune system

WHY DO RADICALS ALWAYS GRAVITATE TO THE MOST IRRATIONAL CONSPIRACIES???

THE BIGGEST CONSPIRACY OF ALL TIME WAS SOCIALISM AND LYING TO PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL BENEFIT FROM GIVING MORE POWER TO THE MONOPOLY OF VIOLENCE KNOWN AS GOVERNMENT

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This has to be bait

Literally sent SAS troops to train the Khmer Rouge.

in the case of the right they say it's the media who invented HIV as a way to get money for africa.. which is partially true because africans get more money if they claim the have AIDS so all of a sudden 1/3 people have AIDS but it's a real virus and the alt right are retards for thinking it's caused by amy nitrate poppers and smoking meth

now look what you believe.. you think it was the fucking CIA trying to using the virus to control the worker

YEAH DOESNT SOUND SIMILAR AT ALL

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Just go fucking vote for Hillary again and kill yourself you worthless baby boomer. At least you have a pension that can pay for your funeral.

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that's not what they say at all.

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fags btfo

No need for comments like that because nobody messages you back on Grindr.

at first i was angry, but i'm actually supportive.
anything facilitating the promiscuity of fags is Good, because of the consequences.
1 in 6 is clearly not enough.

What was he trying to say?

I heard about that homosexual conspiracy theory too. Basically how it goes is the U.S government saw homosexuals as a threat so being icky, being possible communists (like a lot of down trodden groups many of them sided with left wing causes), and a sorta theocratic approach that they should be wiped out for god which was picking up a lot in the 80s and Reagan years due to U.S Christians fearing the gains made by the LGBT movement and that the USSR still existed for this long which was a great Satan to them.

The conspiracy goes on that the U.S government willingly infected gay men with it and its why it was referred to as a gay disease and that it would kill them off. During the Reagan years the U.S government did refuse to help the issue thinking it was a gay only disease and God's dive punishment. The conspiracy theory ends that the U.S government did not account for bisexual people, who are often overlooked anyway, and through bis aids got into the hetero community.

Aids effects mostly heterosexuals in Russia, Russia being the most aids infected nation in Europe. In Africa its mostly among het women iirc. A common factor is it seems the most reactionary states and locations have the most porblem with aids. Its mostly put down to shaming people for sex and reactionary religion, so people don't get tested or use protection. In Africa a lot of groups trying to stop the spread of aids fucking hate Islam and the Catholic church since Islamic and Catholic organizations have weighed in on the issue and just blame it on gays and don't advocate for protection.

source?
Also Russian HIV infections are largely due to dirty needles, usually heroin, which the CIA massively imported into Russia during the post-soviet era.