Sendero Luminoso Discussion Thread

What went wrong with the Shining Path? They came so incredibly close to overthrowing the Peruvian regime, and then everything went downhill.

Now they are reduced to a handful of marginals who have to traffic cocaine to fund what remains of their movement.

How true is the claim that they were unnecessarily ultra-violent, which alienated their base of support?

Did the cult of personality around President Gonzalo go too far?

Is it true they resorted to drug trafficking for funding? Is there anything inherently wrong with manufacturing + selling drugs to fund the revolution?

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How far are you willing to go?

As far as necessary to defeat the enemy. The ends absolutely justify the means,

How is making and selling drugs any worse than robbing banks, which is what Stalin did to fund the Bolshevik revolution?

Imagine if even a tiny percentage of the billion dollar international illegal drug trade was controlled by revolutionary leftist organizations. The international socialist movement would be far more powerful, influential, and significant.

Well people's lifes are ruined, which i have always though was pretty funny about Breaking Bad, Jesse was a little bitch about every single death in the show yet he never stopped to think about the countless lifes he was ruining just from producing meth.

1) People who want drugs will acquire them no matter what. See the enduring popularity of Deep Web drug marketplaces.

2) I don't think drugs in and of themselves ruin people's lives. Usually, people use drugs as a form of self-medication to deal with underlying emotional trauma. People turn into addicts when their lives have nothing good to offer them. If it wasn't for illegal drugs, these people would just become alcoholics instead.

3) Robbing banks and killing cops ruins people's lives also. There's no way to violently overturn the entire global socio-economic system without ruining lives, sometimes unfortunately the lives of innocent people.

This is a liberal position. A strong government can deal with a drug problem.

not really

not if you sell the drugs to American scum

Yes Drugs ruin people lives. And all the families and friends of those who lives were ruined by Drugs will be less likely to support you. This will reduce your base of support.

This is easier to justify

Shut the fuck up, Nationalist

I use drugs occasionally and my life isn't ruined. Never tried heroin or meth though, so maybe I don't have the full picture. To be honest, if it wasn't for drugs I'm pretty sure I would have killed myself a year ago. Sometimes life is so shitty you need either an escape or a radical shift in perspective (psychedelics) to keep you going

Weed won’t ruin your life, but Cocaine certainly will.

anecdotes don't hold up in debate
Even if what you're saying is true your sample size is so incredible small it is irrelevant.
If you didn't do drugs you probably would be such a dumbass

Unironically the US came and saved Fujimori like Russia saved Assad. Senderista excesses, especially when they were in the outskirts of Lima, didn't help but it's not why they lost imo. Security got loose, Gonzalo got caught because some dumbass didn't make sure that he wasn't being followed on the way to the apartment. The personal investment the members had in Gonzalo, without any successor who was as well read in theory, really made his capture into the silver bullet imperialism needed, keeping MLM from rising to conquer the global south. There's still a chance for MLM in Nepal and the Philippines though, maybe even France should CPF Maoists become a prominent voice in the GJ, wouldn't count on that though.

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Protracted People's War is universal, what, you think Foco theory is going to break the French state?

Selling drugs subjects you to reifying market pressures and prevents you from being a true revolutionary. Drugs are a commodity, and Marxism tells us that once in motion, commodities operate independently of our wills and form a material world that mediates social relations and to which we must conform. In other words, if you start selling drugs, you will be forced to conform to the market pressures of the drug trade, or else be ejected from that system. You can’t be a communist revolutionary while trying to maximize drug profits at the same time.

robbing banks harms something which is harmful to society. Selling drugs makes something that is harmful to society grow.

I agree with you, but money itself is the biggest commodity of all, therefore robbing banks should be even worse than selling drugs for a revolutionary

I have never even been to America
But i think they mostly just tax drug producers and traders, they don’t traffic shit themselves

It’s different. Bank robbers don’t sell commodities, and so they aren’t subject to market forces (ie the impersonal motion of commodities) like companies are. As market actors, drug dealers are forced to conform to the demands of the market, which includes subordinating other concerns to profit. This doesn’t apply to bank robbers because they don’t engage in trade, they simply take what they need and spend it. They don’t engage in mediated social relations through commodities.

Most Wall St fuckheads take cocaine on a daily basis, their lives aren't ruined at all - on the contrary, it helps keep them awake and working.

Some drugs are actually beneficial to society. Psychedelics literally cause your brain cells to grow spectacularly, creating new connections between disparate parts of your brain. Unfortunately, the market for psychedelics is extremely small, much smaller than the market for opioids, cocaine, and meth.

Not sure how this follows from the rest of your post. Would you say that FARC weren't true revolutionaries because they sold cocaine?

There's no reason why revolution itself would be subordinate to profit. The opposite would be the case- profits from drug manufacture would be subordinate to revolutionary objectives.

You could also make the same argument about any socialist state which produced any sort of commodities. IIRC leftcoms use this argument against actually existing socialism.

To really prove your point, you would have to identify alternative ways of raising money for carrying out revolution. Robbing banks isn't feasible in 2019. Hacking might work, but it's much easier for the state to track hackers than drug traffickers.

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You can rob banks in 2019, it just has to be the reserve bank, where all the small banks actually put the cash

How the fuck would you even do that? You'd need like military shit.

Hope whatever country is rivaling the one you're trying to do revolution in will loan you an APC to punch through the cop cars that will be surrounding you

this might be true in theory but the hippie movement was not productive.

This is incorrect and you know it. Look up induced demand. Drug use can be reduced, if your thesis were correct then drug consumption would be uniform worldwide since black market magic reaches everywhere.

That's called 'California sober'

Anyone pick this book up?

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The hippie movement and its offshoots - groups like the Weathermen Underground - played a big role in ending the war in Vietnam

Not everybody can afford to buy drugs, so your thesis is incorrect

No they didn’t, the Panthers and anti war movement in general did, combined with the abysmal military situation in Vietnam. The Weathermen were a bunch of adventurist retards.


Yes there is. If you are funding your revolution by selling drugs, then you are competing with other cartels. If that’s the case, then like any capitalist you have to turn profit, and competition demands that you turn as much profit as possible, or risk being run out of business. This in turn means you must subordinate other concerns to your profit making, including revolutionary activity, and likely means you will have to engage in exploitation of some kind. In short, it literally makes you into a capitalist and as such inhibits your ability to be a proper revolutionary.
Yes and they have a point. Actually existing socialism was forced to adopt capitalist practices by competition and the need for development, producing alienation, reification etc. This isn’t to say that these states were capitalist, but they were subject to the motion of commodities and thus influenced by forces other than class consciousness or revolutionary intent.
Donations, membership dues, etc. The Communist Party of India has over a million members and doesn’t sell drugs so clearly it’s possible.

The Communist Party of India is a bunch of socdem sellouts. The Naxalites are the only genuine Communists in India. For funding, they extort large businesses, promising to leave them alone in exchange for protection money. I'm not sure how this is any better than selling drugs.

Taking property off of bourgies is the entire point of the revolution, everyone doing cocaine is not. Of course extorting businesses is better from a revolutionary standpoint.

This is pessimistic as fuck, but my conclusion on Vietnam was that the withdrawal was mostly Porky's decision as the war with no longer profitable. The "critics" of the war in the state department were always the bankers like George Ball, in the wake of the international monetary crisis of 1968-onwards the war was wound down as an austerity measure.

Wall St banksters uses cocaine all the time to help them stay up and work long hours exploiting the proletariat. Why shouldn't revolutionaries use cocaine as well to help stay up long hours, increase focus and concentration, and provide occasional relief from the stress of revolution?

What evidence is there for this position (which seems like the default one for Maoists)? It's only ever worked in China and Vietnan (and Nepal? I don't know enough about them), it almost worked in Peru, and it's had some success in the Philippines and India. There's no reason to think it would be successful in a more urbanized country. And every country in the world gets more urbanized every year, so at some point there won't be any peasants left to fight for.

Here's JMP's take on the subject

Well, the traffic in the VRAEM is not a thing of Sendero, they now are like bodyguards of the narco "mules". Second, the traffic of drugs by Sendero is pretty confirmed, the city of Tocache was a hell of a place, but under Sendero was a narco hub but the sell of cocaine to the local or theft was punished by death. But it wasn't the only source of income of 1985-1992 Sendero.

You haven't seen The wolf of Wall Street or read about the abstinence syndrome or long term effects.

The GEIN was financed by the CIA as a intelligence operatives to gather information and capture the leaders of SP. They had a streak of victories before the capture of Guzman. Here is an article about it from an Social-democrat newspaper from Peru

I read the short version of the final report of the truth and reconciliation comision. And the book the Fourth sword of Roncagliolo. If you want the senderistas essays there are some in internet. The complete works of Guzman (17 tomes if I remember correctly) are locked down in the DIRCOTE headquarters. With a lot of other stuff that Sendero kept for the future "Museum of the Popular war" or something like that (one channel made a report a long time ago about this) (also in spanish,this one from Spain)
Also Sendero had a predilection for sectarian violence (killing of members of United left, the PCP-Red fatherland,etc).

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It certainly can ruin lives, but most people who use cocaine are absolutely fine.

The group JMP is involved with - the RCP - is in practice showing what Maoist movements in first world countries degenerate into; it is literally the most sectarian and idpol infested leftist formation I've ever encountered.

I think they recently expelled JMP for being a "revisionist" actually lol

Forget to mention, the cult to Gonzalo was like the cult of personality in Democratic Kampuchea, Abimael Guzman was first the Comrade Gonzalo and then Presidente Gonzalo (Chairman Gonzalo). Only the members of the top comites of the party knew him. The normal guerrilla troop only knew that the chairman gonzalo was going to bring equality to everyone and punish the wealthy. Even the goverment didn't know who was. (There is a story that he was arrested in the 70's because of being a communist-a lot of other leftists where deported in those times- and other in which a cop help him repair a broken tire-this one in the 80's in the middle of the popular war-and didn't recognised him). When the Zorba el griego tapes were discovered, they knew who were the cuadros on top.


So some Sendero Luminoso outfits are still around in the VRAEM? What are they doing now? Have they had any clashes with government forces recently?
That was the only information that the "comrade jose" has said lately, they tried to push a little bit (their forces are less than a thousend). But they doesn't consider Sendero anymore, they are the Militarized Communist Party of Peru now.
If you talk about actually sendero, they are now triying to get something of the goverment or rebuild an apparatus (See MOVADEF and others). The "comrade Artemio" was captured more then 5 years and is on trial for killing of cops,army,etc. And the militar branch of SL is no more. The last news I've found are about the destrucion of the mausoleum of the masacre of El Fronton and the capture of some senderistas that were in clandestinity.

Gonzalo was retard who had a few larpers in the moutains.
The problem isn't even about drugs, the problem is popular support
The FARC in neighboring columbia was able to break down into 50/50 support.


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Fuck Deng
Made by the Sendero Luminoso Gang

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Stupid purism. They just helped organize the largest strike in human history this past year, even if they do lean socdem/demsoc they are still a genuine workers movement and one of the most successful and credible ones in the world today. As based as the Naxalites are, the CPI is a hundred times more relevant.

What exactly was their problem with the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement?

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From what I gather from reading PCP documents and a cursory look of Latin American left moments since the Cuban Revolution, is that the MRTA were Guevarist and close to the ERP and FARC, who typically work with civil society actors and trade unionists. The PCP saw the typical "left" actors as just another cog in the colonial bourgeois machine, even seeing the Cuban Revolution itself as a bourgeois revolution, the Senderistas believed in wiping the slate clean and starting Peruvian society essentially from scratch.

I'd really appreciate if someone could explain what "President Gonzalo thought" is in practice. How is it any different from MLM?

MLM is considered to be universal and applicable everywhere while Gonzalo thought is specific to Peru and its conditions

Like I said in if you want to read the true Gonzalo Thought you have to go to the DINCOTE headquarters

Some stuff that is on that museum
"Escalando las alturas"/ Climbing the heights .- A paiting found in the flat were Guzman was hiding in the moment of his capture.

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El maestro caudillo
This painting of the museum represents the figure of a master with an intellectual aspect holding a book in his left hand and the masses on his knees pay him homage.

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La primera escuela militar (abril-1980)
The first military school (april-1980)
Directed by Guzman himself, at the end they are given a green voina and a medal with the sickle and hammer with the inscription on the back of "1st Cia" (first company of the red army)

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A faint light fell on the glowing colors of the red flags with the hammer and sickle, many of them, embroidered with golden threads where it could be read: Long live the Beginning of the Great Leap! Conquer Support Bases! Topping the Great Leap! We greet with great communist jubilation the greatest Marxist-Leninist-Maoist living on earth, the greatest teacher of communists, the greatest political-military strategist, head of the world revolution and chief and center of our Party! At the foot of the flags were the pseudonyms of the leaders and cadres.
In several of them Gonzalo's signature appeared, always at the head of the Central Committee, the Political Bureau or the Permanent Committee.

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In display: A Retablo Ayacuchano themed by Sendero Luminoso
They gave him extraordinary faculties until they reached the level and culmination or ridiculous point of creating the cult of Guzmán, as it was seen in the videos of Zorba el Griego where they appeared with several members of the Central Committee, kneeling, looking at him with respect and admiration and raising the fists while singing euphoric: "Gonzalo is tireless, is a guarantee of victory until communism …".
Before this tribute, the leader's upright figure stands proud. He looks pleased to feel the fourth sword of Marxism; the greatest Marxist-Leninist-Maoist who exists on earth, the one who had established the laws of Peruvian society, the State, the party, the revolution, the people's war, the army and the new power, the largest political strategist, military and philosopher of the people's war in the world.
-The last paragraph and the one from the last post was taken from the blog from I am taking the pictures, looks like a cop or…..Fuck it was the blog of Benedicto Jimenez, one of the top cops in GEIN-
-Well, now you know what a cop think about Gonzalo-

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Bandera: Hacia la guerra de guerrillas
'''Flag:Towards the Guerrilla War"'
The lyrics of Abimael Guzman are appreciated. This flag dates from November 3, 1980, when the IGG (Guerrilla War Start) Plan was developed, which sought to open guerrilla zones to conserve the Support Bases. The first platoons are formed (in the countryside, integrated between 10-15 combatants) and in the cities, the armed detachments and the six forms of struggle are applied (propaganda and armed agitation, mobilization, sabotage, crop uprising, invasions and actions guerrillas).
-From what I've read, there was comrades that called their daughters ILA (inicio de lucha armada/start of the armed struggle) in honor of the event.

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Table and chair where the leader was at the time of his capture.
In that small office of 4 x 3, located almost to the center of the corridor of the second floor of the Edicopip was the history of the Shining Path; the story of an organization that had followed a process that dates back to the 60s. The Senderistas had elaborated their own partisan historiography.
The period from 1962 to 1979 was considered the Second Moment of the Reconstitution of the Party that culminated when they made the decision to initiate the armed struggle (ILA) on May 17, 1980.
Their drawers kept the most delicate objects, as well as the albums that contained the photographs of all the operative intelligence operations carried out by the Gein: Operation Isa (June 1, 1990), Monterrico (September 19, 1990), Seso (November 90), Caballero (January 31, 1991), Ancón (June 22, 1991), Palacio (November 27, 1991), Hipócrates (January 13, 1992), Moyano (April 13, 1992) and Huascaura (June 22, 1992).
Studying the content of each flag, brochure, painting, gift, and focusing attention on the date and the reason for which it was made and comparing with the Senderista documentation seized, history can be reconstructed.

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Drawing that symbolizes the IV Milestone of the Armed Struggle: development of the guerrilla war.

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Drawing that symbolizes the I Milestone of the Armed Struggle: development of the guerrilla war.

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Each object or flag obeyed a historical event of transcendence for the Party.
It was a kind of symbol of the commitment of each militant to the Party and the Revolution.

They were stamped the pseudonyms of each member of a committee or apparatus, in strict order of jararquìa, pledging to continue struggling to build power throughout the country, with faith and loyalty to the party and "Chairman Gonzalo."
They existed in the museum from the first red flag, made and signed by the 42 graduates of the First Military School, which read: "Forge in fact the 1st CIA of the EGP", until the last, found by Yobanka Pardavé "Rebeca" (June 1991) made by the Popular Relief Direction Cell on the occasion of the 10th Anniversary of the ILA. Only the beauty of the multi-colored carpets made by the inmates in the Luminous Trenches of Combats, piled up in a corner of the room, one on top of the other, for lack of space, competed in luminosity and beauty with the red embroidered flags.

The atmosphere had a hallucinatory aspect, of pure fanaticism, of adoration to the myth, to the Gonzalo Thought, to the heroic and glorious Communist Party - the only Communist Party of Peru that carries out the World Revolution in the world, applying the thought of President Mao Tsetung to the objective conditions of the Peruvian society that became a new type Party, reconstituted party Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, but mainly Maoist.

Abimael Guzmán, creator of that almost religious fervor in the prophetic certainty of the clandestine leader, considered the successor of Marx, Lenin and Mao- as they repeated tirelessly his party slogans, expressed the "Gonzalo Thought" where the strength of Shining Path lay. He was the caudillo-maestro, the truth, the embodied virtue.

In the senderistas pictures and posters, the central space was occupied by Abimael Guzmán with terno, glasses and a book in the hand.

There is no other leader in the Marxist tradition in which the intellectual character of the person who stands at the center of those rifles, of those flags and that red sun in the background stands out … the master caudillo is a cold leader, but which can burn, like dry ice. Everything is based on Thought Gonzalo y Guzmán was for them the leader of the party and the revolution and his thought justified it. If a miserable reactionary was annihilated, Gonzalo Ponsamiento justified this act because he agreed with the objective of the war "to annihilate the enemy and preserve his own forces".

If a permanent militia of the defense department of Sopo had the audacity to blow the leader Elena Moyano into pieces, that's fine because she was a servile bitch of Yankee imperialism. For that, Gonzalo Thought served: it justified the unjustifiable.

Guzmán was the motivating force, the one that had initiated in Peru the Peruvian Revolution, whose triumph they took for granted; also the one that had initiated the worldwide counter-offensive of communism that was to culminate in the next fifty to one hundred years with the planetary victory of the communist parties, and that after several cultural revolutions, would arrive at the society of eternal equality, harmony, without class struggle and without State. It was the Sorealan myth that made a combative group maintain its solidarity, heroism and spirit of sacrifice. Abimael Guzmán was the myth that inspired strength and organized the militant conscience of the Senderistas.
- "We live life on the tips of our fingers" - repeated the leaders and cadres of the Party until the immolation. Things crazy!

On one occasion, two young senderistas, when surrounded by the police, preferred to blow themselves into a thousand pieces, placing on their bellies grenades explosive, before falling into the hands of reaction, while shouting voice in the neck: "Long live Chairman Gonzalo , guarantee of triumph until communism! "," Long live the People's Republic of Peru! ".
This scene was caught on the retinas of the policemen who did not understand the tremendous sacrifice until the immolation of those two young lives. Perhaps the explanation was that with this sacrifice of one's own life the "fee" that has to be paid as a member of the party was paid.

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In the museum I often searched for the answers to questions that hovered in my head about the history of this terrorist group. A booklet that Captain Marco Castro had left, who in addition to fulfilling his responsibilities as deputy head of the technical support department, It gave me time to clean, sort and classify the objects and the extensive documentation that existed in the museum and in the library of the Gein, becoming in a short time an expert in the history of Shining Path, it caught my attention. Above, he had placed the following warning: "Do not touch, it's to be classified in the 70's."

The inclement weather had left signs in this booklet edited by Red Flag, spokesman for the faction led by Abimael Guzman, in the 70s. Its leaves were yellow, dotted with brown spots and moisture had been relentless, leaving imperishable prints.
I watched the brochure with interest and saw that under the slogan, "Retake fully the path of José Carlos Mariátegui and develop it," appeared the profile and drawn face of this distinguished Peruvian thinker of the decades of 20 and 30 of this century, whose gaze was lost in the emptiness, a rebellious jet of black jet descended from his forehead. To return to the thought of José Carlos Mariátegui was the slogan launched by the red fraction of Guzmán in 1974, during the development of the Fourth Plenary and to remember two events: the eightieth anniversary of the birth of this Peruvian thinker born in 1874 and the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Chinese Revolution.

After five years of the approval of the Base of Partidary Unity (VI National Conference), Abimael Guzmán concludes that the PCP should resume and develop the path outlined by José Carlos Mariátegui because until that moment the study of the legacy of the thought of José Carlos Mariátegui and therefore, should adhere fully to this thought. It was the year of 1974.

The following year, the V Plenary of the VI National Conference just ended, an event that ended in the struggle against the liquidationism of the left and with the expulsion of the Bolshevik faction in Lima, the red faction led by Guzman agreed to retake the thought of Mariátegui and promote the reconstitution of the Party. In this way begins the organizational construction of the Party. When you look at the fragile and thoughtful image of JCM, this question always assails you: Why Shining Path caught your thinking?

The answer is given by the same Senderistas in their documents when they say: "José Carlos Mariátegui is the Peruvian thinker who said for the first time that the agrarian problem and the regime of land tenure are the causes of the exploitation of the indigenous, from the colonial period Hispanic and that the land ownership regime will determine the political and administrative regime of the nation as a whole and that as long as there are no means to guarantee the rights of our indigenous people, especially their farmland, liberal democracy can never prosper " .

At the end of the VI Plenary of the VI National Conference of the Central Committee of the PCP (December 1976), they approved the national plan for the construction of the Party conceived as a single torrent that put the work of the peasantry as a base and the revolution as a guideline, mobilizing the first organisms generated or transmission belts that appear only that year: The Movement of Workers and Class Workers (MOTC), Popular Women's Movement (MFP), Youth Movement (MJ) and Mariateguist Center for Intellectual Studies (CETIM).

The organisms generated or "points of support" had to develop the work of masses to take the position of the party in the most diverse fronts, attracting new followers for the party under the leadership of JCM's thought. In the following years (1976 and 1977), when the red Guzmán faction deals with the problem of party construction, they deal with the peasant problem and as a result of this debate, two adverse lines emerge; one is that of the Metropolitan Committee that proposes to focus on the proletariat, the working class, the unions and strikes, rather than on the peasantry. The other was a right-wing line that shouted that "Velasco had given land to the peasants" and that therefore the armed struggle should be made based on the most felt needs of the masses, starting with the peasant confederation of Peru.

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This event is also significant because by that date the leaders used their true names and surnames. In a notebook, handwritten by Abimael Guzmán, of 200 pages, black paste, found in the house of Buenavista on February 1, 1991, appeared the names and surnames of those who had participated in the Second National Meeting of Organizations Generated:
Guzmàn, E. Zapater, Alfredo Castillo Montañez, Margie Clavo Peralta, Danilo Blanco Cabezas, Nelly Rojas, Orihuela, Dias Martinez, Fano, Delgado, Arévalo, Ayala, Elena Iparraguirre, Cox Bauzeville, Carlos Torres Mendoza, Salinas, Quintanilla, Perez R., Teresa Cárdenas Lopez, O. Chavez, Galván, Víctor Zorrilla Aramburú, Osmán Morote Barrionuevo, Pedro Quinteros, Humberto Mendoza Lora, Teresa Durán Araujo, Guevara, Banda, G, Durand, B. Loc, L. Cárdenas, Nelly Carhuaz, Juscamayta, Esparza, Rivera, Flores, Florián, Rentería, Hermógenes Tipacti, Higmer Bueno, Luís Kawata Makave, Norma Lema Tucker, Cuellar, P. Gare, Tarazona, Huertas, Zevallos, Velez, Luisa Castro, Santos, Mostajo,Magda Mateo Bruno, N. Chavez, Miguel Situ Ch., Salinas(FER-Arequipa), Florián, Castañeda, Augusta La Torre C., Oscar Ramirez Duran, Galván, Delgado, etc.

As soon as the event ends, they approve the Discussion Bases and issue a statement, taking into account the bases, and decide to form a National Coordinating Committee, composed of seven members, to prepare the national plan for the construction of the party that was to be sanctioned in May. of the same year, but before, it would start with a transitory plan of three months and the following year (1978), the Third National Meeting of Generated Organisms would take place that coincides with the celebration of the 50th anniversary of the birth of the ponderous Mao Tsetung and the 84th anniversary of the birth of José Carlos Mariátegui. Also, in 1977, the Guzmán red faction carried out two important events.

n the first they determine that the main enemy of the Peruvian Revolution were the two superpowers: the United States of America and the Union of Socialist Republics (Russia) and that the party's militants had to go to the countryside to fertilize the land and initiate the armed struggle. In the second, they take stock of the application of these measures and verify that many militants who had gone to the countryside to fertilize the terrain of revolutionary ideas, returned disillusioned under the pretext that in the countryside there was no class struggle.

Between July and September of 1978, Guzmán held the 8th Plenum of the Central Committee, an event described by comrade "Alvaro" - pseudonym used by Abimael Guzmán at that time - as a pitched battle unleashed between the sector of the left and the sector of the right, but within the Party. In this plenary the balance was made on the construction of the Party and bitter criticism was given to the militants who had returned from the countryside under the pretext that there was no feudalism. The balance culminates with the sanction of the General Political Line of Mariétegui and its development, whose concretion is the readjustment of the JCM's thought according to the epoch that was living, but always under the light of the thought of Mao Tsetung.

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From that moment, the ideological base of the PCP became Marxism-Leninism-Mariátegui Thought - Mao Thought. In January of 1979, the Central Committee of the PCP held an extraordinary session in which they sanction the immediate general reorganization of the Party with the aim of starting the revolution and fighting the positions of the Armored Group formed by four leaders who opposed the beginning of the struggle armed, mentioning that "there were still no conditions to start the armed struggle". This period is known as the fight against the fief and the clan. On the other hand, the pitched battle in Shining Path history is also known as the rebellion of the fand or fight against the black group.

Almost all the 79, SL is devoted to reorganize the party and when they end, the members of the Political Bureau say that they were entering new times that they would demand Define and Decide (enter the ILA) that required the commitment to stamp the signatures of all the members of the Central Committee in a resolution prepared by the leader that should denote the faith and confidence that all leaders had to the Party and the revolution, including the "quota", if necessary.

The Ninth Plenum of the Central Committee is considered decisive in history because for the first time the entire historical process of this organization is analyzed, since the red faction emerged in the 60s, until the 9th Plenary Session of the Central Committee and the Plan to Define and Decide the ILA, considering that the fate of the entire organization was compromised, putting an end to the reconstitution of the Party after 50 years of the founding of the Communist Party of Peru by José Carlos Mariátegui.

All that remained was to forge the single leadership, recompose the Central Committee and combat the right opportunist line that was being expressed within the party, opposing the ILA. As soon as the 9th Plenary Session ends, all the leaders sign a resolution recognizing comrade Gonzalo as Party Chief and the Conductor of the Peruvian Revolution.

This place was full of myths, legends, power.

Sendero Luminoso was not an upstart, an accident, an episode, it was enthroned in Peruvian history and society since the 60s. It was a complex phenomenon and we were just getting to know it.

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Maybe a better explanation is that they would get raped and tortured by the cops, and even if they weren't, they would still be slaves who for 500 years had nothing

peruvian here, I hate what fujimori did to my country, and if I had to side with someone back then it would have to have sendero luminoso, the much lesser evil, although with some hesitation because of the massacres they did in the mountains and the car bombs in lima, these were incidents where i dont think innocent people had to die especially not intentionally, what do you guys think?

Considering ex Senderistas have come out and admitted that stuff like killing Maria Moyano was excess, I'd say you're right. As a dumb burger sometimes I really worry about the spirit of Alberto Fujimori may be in a guy like Trump or whoever comes after him. The Senderistas have given modern guerillas and wannabe guerillas some serious lessons to learn from.

Is it true that Gonzalo after his capture told the rest of the Sendero to put down their arms and make peace with the government? That would be a major betrayal, and it would be right to blame the PCP's decline on this decision.

Yes, according to Cesar Hildebrant (a center left journalist who was threatened with death in the 80's) and other books there were negotiations between Guzman and Vladimiro Montesinos. Carlos Tapia puts it in this way
1) .- Abimael Guzmán was captured by the GEIN on September 12, 1992. Days later, in his prisoner suit and behind bars, he shouted that the war would continue until the victory and that his capture was only "a bend" On his way, "you will see" threatened. However, as the days passed, he asked Admiral Ibárcena to convey to the Fujimori government his desire to talk to reach a 'Peace Agreement'.

2) .- The SIN of Vladimiro Montesinos entrusted one of his seconds to act as "academic interlocutor", who began to meet periodically with the still "Chairman Gonzalo".

For February of 1993, Guzmán proposed to exchange the "autodisolución" of its armed columns by a general amnesty. But the SIN already knew the situation of military defeat of Sendero Luminoso and that it did not gain anything negotiating with the imprisoned Senderistas. Although he played along and brought the Shining Path from Yanamayo for his boss to convince them.

3) .- In June the "wheel of conversations" began. Montesinos asked him to write a letter to Fujimori, praising his counter-terrorism strategy and his "Reconstruction Government." The letter was delivered in July 1993, but beware, just on October 1 was read by Fujimori before the UN Assembly. Before, Fujimori sent a birthday cake to Guzman's couple.

4) .- The signing of a second letter was presented on October 8 before all media such as the surrender of hiking and the conquest of peace. This psychosocial operation got the "yes" to win the "no" by 52% against 48% in the referendum on October 31 where the current Constitution was approved.

5) .- Guzmán remained silent. The "Accordists", years later, formed the Movadef. And the "lags" became huachimanes of the narcos.
Link in spanish:
Here's the video of the announcement:
And the news of El Pais of Spain:

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Are there any people in Peru who still support Sendero Luminoso?

Not to much people, (a lot have memories of the years in the war,specially those who had to left between the crossfire of SL and the State) But there is, for example, those who have stayed in jail and didn't sign the "surrender acts" or young people of MOVADEF, FUDEPP,etc.
In the last decade there were some cases of gov. officials doing intelligence work on Movadef
(Of course, this accusations didn't produce anything,but create fear about a new insurgency)
Now, the right (and center right) like to "terruquear" anyone on the left. But they like to see paranoid of the advance of the underground movements (in social struggles, public universities, breaking the teacher union-another story of the division of the communist party- and seeking international support about the "political prisioners"
News from a center-right newspaper: (A union leader burns books because of some pornografics links -leader linked to movadef-) (the adviser of a campesino community is acused of being a political allied of movadef) (Movadef talks about human rights in an event in Bolivia)

Finally some music that I've found is from an Movadef member ==The red rose: Walter Humala==

Thanks so much for the info. I am super interested in the subject.

My Spanish is so-so (getting better every day though).

Could you help me understand what this guy is talking about here? I can't tell if they want a real revolution in Peru, or if they just want to do "Robin Hood" type narcotrafficking.

The M-PCP is a threath only to the cops or troops that are there. Nobody (even on the right) acusses anybody of triying to form an underground political party. So, now their struggle is about blowing up police patrols and protecting the narco routes

Don't know much about these niggas but what if cutting off people fingers for participating in elections had something to do with it?


What elections? I know a lot of human rights violations from Sendero but not that one
It was probably because of:
1.-The prohibition of the local markets (they favoured autarky)
2.- being in the crossfire (with the rape and theft from the military and the forced marchs from Sendero)
3.- The tortures to the ashaninka people (very important ethnic group in the jungles)
4.-In the beginning, the peasant communities welcomed the justice against thieves, cattle thief, drunks,etc. But with time, the support ended. And what is a popular war without a people supporting it?

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How do we know if the support ended because of the Shining Path's mistakes, or because of state terrorism and military massacres against sendero-sympathizing pueblos?

A source from the US department, and if you look out, you can find testimonies about it. A little extract from a anthropological research:
The tragic reality of the senderistas fields
The testimonies collected by the CVR and by other authors (Rodriguez, Fabian, Espinosa, Villapolo, Rojas) about the inhumane way of life in the Shining Path fields coincide with those I have collected since 2008.
The lower-ranking senderista commanders were Andean, but many intermediate commanders were natives who behaved with the same cruelty as the "outsiders."
The testimonies affirm that they had no alternative, that they did it to avoid punishment and even death.
Life in the senderistas fields is unprecedented in the country and in Latin America. Permanent hunger was suffered, lived in subhuman conditions, reaching anthropophagy. The CVR has compared these camps to the Nazi concentration camps.
Open warfare: "we have killed each other"
Between 1991 and 1995, the situation of open war completely transformed the lives of the communities that were divided between the "free" communities of the Bajo Tambo, and the communities submitted to the trekking of the Alto Tambo and the Ene River. The struggle against the Enemy senderista It implied "unjust violence" against Andean, but also against relatives and neighbors (as in Guatemala, in Cambodia, in the Former Yugoslavia and in Algeria). The massacre of the Tsiriari Valley, where navy and colonists murdered with machejes 72 people (51 Andean and 21 Nomatsiguenga, 16 children), in August 1993, tragically illustrate this extreme violence. And it can be compared to the massacres in Rwanda.

That is in fact, a very good question. It may be one, it may be another. The official version is: The rondas campesinas and Sendero policies blow Sedero away from the towns in the andes and jungle, because of this, Guzman launched the 2nd phase: From the fields to the cities, attacking Lima, then he fall in the Monterrico flat and the rest is history.But, after more than 25 years of the end of the war(or at least, the great attacks in Lima), the sociologist and historians are putting great effort in aswering it.
I can't tell you what could have happen (I think that it could have been a Democratic Kampuchea situation).

Not really an objective source of information tbh

I don't think Gonzalo would have ordered an evacuation of Lima or do ethnic cleansing, he was a dedicated Maoist first and foremost, first move would have been the New Democracy, followed by collectivization of agriculture and industry

I referred about the Labour camps, but who knows.

At least the gringos knew, which is something. I can't think of an "objective" source, the CVR is the most common source (nobody that fought likes it, the military hates that show the massacres and rapes, and Sendero thinks still think that nothing bad hapenned in those years).Maybe some sociologist in Europe or a new study is being made. As I said, it is a very touchy subject.
The video talks about it. Of course it is bypassed the policies of the military (which in part motivates the retiradas senderistas) And the difficult assimilation after the war ended.

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The image is about the companies of autodefensa that now march in the Military Parade.

If anyone's interested, there is a comprehensive collection of Shining Path documents available on these websites:

If you speak spanish, here's some more: