Psychiatry is the opium of the people

Some words from Mark Fisher.

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So is marijuana, which emits a putrid skunky stench, which white people claim "smells great."

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not defending psychiatry but mark fisher is fucking gay. fucking anglo-marxists are shit. don't know why you even pay attention to him.

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What's wrong with Mark Fisher? And why the anti-anglosim,, are you a Fr*g?

because anglos due to their culture and intellectual traditions have to go beyond 50 layers of ideological inculcation of utilitarianism, positivism and pragmatism to finally say something good.

You're stupid if you think like that.

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Things that taste bad smell good diluted, wow thats crazy. Sage for acknowledging the stupid.

This is actually kinda true.

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Some problems are exacerbated by capitalism but I wouldn't say caused by it.
Caused by retroviral DNA. This is why you take biology, kids.

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thx m8

>exacerbated by capitalism
This implies that the difference capitalism makes to mental health problems is purely quantitative, which I don't think is the case. Capitalism also plays a role in determining the form in which certain psychological predispositions get expressed into full-fledged mental disorders. The psychopathological categories of socialism could be very different from those of capitalism.

Is everything an opium of the people for you people?

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"Opium for the people" is itself an opium for the people. By having the people believe that their comrades are all sedated, they are discouraged from organizing a communist revolution.

I am a frog and I think Mark Fisher is great. Capitalism Realism is basically the SotS but updated and with a clearer language, and Exiting the Vampire Castle was much needed to combat idpol fanatics. I'm sad he is gone. I'm sad the only new stuff we get from the original CCRU members is Nick Land boomerposting on Twitter

fake news, schizophrenia is mostly a symptomatic classification and we do not know the precise root cause. that's why we don't drink the "le rational scientist" kool-aid, kids. also read focault.

all liberal ideology is an 'opium of the masses'.

can you name an author that critiques life under anglo-culture which is not part of the anglo-culture? your critique against Mark Fisher is basically "white people suck". Absolutely brainlet tier.

mfw

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Actual therapy will try to avoid letting the patient using it as a dependency and push the depressed to getting his/her shit together via encouraging some habits

t.someone whose therapist keeps passive-aggressively trying to get me to wean off the sessions.

Don't forget The People.

Why does Nick Land seem to appeal to so many people here or is it just some irony cirlejerk

"mass" is the opium of the masses.

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MARXISM-SCIENTOLOGYISM NOW!

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I think it can smell good, but not while being smoked.

Scientologists hate psychiatry because they are rival cults.

I mean I'm not gonna defend all aspects of the mental healthcare sector but for many people the pills work. This reductive view is horseshit.

mass is the opium of the pussy

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Kinda goes back to the fact that a large group of the original posters here migrated from /lit/

So with the destruction of big pharma (mass producing, prescribing and diagnosing), what would psychiatry turn into?

pretty funny tbh

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Maoist criticism and self criticism sessions duh

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*Of the dick

In a non-alienated society I don't think there would be much need for it anymore. I don't believe in biological causes of mental illness. Kind of goes against the whole darwinism thing.

its actually perfectly in line with darwinism… evolution doesn't care about what is "good" or "better," you see plenty of dead end features in all sorts of animals and all sorts of ways, all that matters is the contextual ability to survive and reproduce. if being off kilter wasn't severe enough to be a statistically significant factor in reproduction, theres no logical reason for it not to be a quirk of genetics.

youtube.com/watch?v=nOf74cCRGKo about 16:30 in is a good example of a more visible biological dead end that nonetheless persists

This video contains content from National Geographic, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
Sorry about that.

Oh this is total nonsense. What does Fisher say about the innumerable case studies where a patient makes a breakthrough and comes to terms with repressed memories?

You did not have an autistic child as a classmate in primary school?

Not an argument.
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I do not know where your citation comes from, but the University of San Diego disagrees. In fact, a cursory Google search reveals that nearly all academics are in agreement with this assessment.
medschool.ucsd.edu/som/neurosciences/centers/autism/what-causes-autism/Pages/fmri.aspx

This is the largest study of its kind regarding fMRI scans to detect autism and adhd, earlier ones had issues with sample size and were likely false positives as argued in the paper I cited.

I read the paper. This data is collected at resting state. As soon as the participants are asked to perform tasks the abnormalities manifest. The paper itself states this:
I can link you dozens of papers from 2018/2019 that support the above, published and endorsed by medical schools and prominently displayed on university websites.

It's not that easy to find an open field to scream in these days unfortunately

Retarded digging for antipsychiatric opinions. You’re just gonna get answered by quasicharismatic lolscompliant types who take the most dismaying possible stance. Anyone’s guess if it happened already, or how this changes the odds; I decide what I’m doing before I come to this site. There’s either suitable threads or there ain’t.

If autism and adhd were caused by different brain wiring then abnormalities in the data would likely be visible even in resting state, given how many can't even sit still or have to stim in various ways when not preoccupied with something else.

Where does it say this in the actual paper? All I'm finding is that another study is cited that says abnormalities in brain function when doing tasks only seem to occur in people who are diagnosed with both autism and adhd, whereas those who were only diagnosed with one or the other displayed little to no difference. That seems very fishy in of itself given that no differences in this group were found in the resting state study despite being exacerbated in the other, so it could likely be a sampling error. I also don't see how your greentext contradicts the notion of autism not originating in the brain.

Neither you nor I are neuroscientists, so how can you make that claim? Is this included in the paper you linked? Nonetheless, autism is genetically heritable.

It should be obvious that physical actions and overwhelming impulses should show deviations in a brain scan if these behaviors actually originated in the brain. Signs show that these behaviors are more related to gut flora, diet, and prescription drugs than brain wiring.

The autism spectrum is a set of arbitrarily associated personality traits and behaviors, and how many you possess in the present is what psychiatrists use to determine where you are placed on it. Things like food taste is genetically inherited too but obviously there is no deterministic force that is behind the kind of food you enjoy. I can therefore collect a bunch of other traits in people, make up a spectrum based on how many they possess, call it a brain condition, and naturally find genetic links. I should also mention that there are cases of identical twins where one is autistic and one is not so the notion that you are born with it is also redundant.

That's nice. Have some science: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC33324/

You only have antipsychotics to blame for that
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What are you talking about

Most people don't voluntarily enter the psychiatric system. Hard to call it "opium" when most of the people I know hate the system and see it as the crooked nightmare that it is. Normal medical systems don't require the patient to lie their asses off due to the absolute terror induced by a legal and social structure designed to cull the population of unwanted persons.

Then again, the way things are going, we are headed to a point where a predisposition to cancer or heart disease will be seen as a sin akin to schizophrenia, and that the sick are to be blamed for the crime of being unfit persons. Eugenics does that shit.

Whatever truth you can find in the psychiatric legal system is not particularly relevant, because the people who keep pushing this form of eugenics aren't interested in the truth. They're interested in destroying people and making sure the lower classes remember their place in society. The sad truth is a lot of these people do need help, but they aren't going to get anything but a nightmare, while a bunch of god damn thugs who are destroying anything decent in the world are praised and told they are somehow "healthy". How anyone can look at "normal, well-adjusted behavior" and conclude that this shit is healthy is beyond me. We live in a social system designed to churn out soldiers who are prepared for permanent war, where routine violence is glorified well beyond any natural inclination humans might have (and humans are quite violent), where lies and deception are considered "social skills" and "hard worker" is a way of declaring someone retarded and foolish.

socialism is for bbws. diets are a paper tiger

Good point. The "mental health" system is an instrument of power to get the unproductive to become exploitable wageslaves again. Liberals put a human face on it, but if you want it exposed just look at what the fascists did with the unfit.

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So the opium of the masses quote comes from 1843 and the first opium war ended in 1842. I don't think the orientalist addiction connotations were universal yet and came much later. I believe he is saying that religion is a painkiller, like nursing a wound. Opium that you would use to relieve legitimate pain, not that religion is addictive or delusional.

Religion, opiates, drinking, therapy, are like a security blanket or heat on a sore muscle. They make you feel better so you can continue the same painful process.

Yeah sure, the late capitalist 'wellness' mental health system is fucking abhorrent, but what else are you gonna do? I mean should mentally ill people just die instead of engage with what paltry support there is?

Nobody is mentally ill and psychiatry only kills and harms more people than it saves but gets away with it because of the big fat "SCIENCE" stamp which invalidates all criticism towards it.

You're demonstrating the existence of mental illness as we speak.

Say what you will about the medical community's strides in mental health, both you and frogs cannot seperate very big swaths of narcissism from your ideological frameworks and as such neither will succeed.

i dont get this meme. do people really think neolibs will pass up the opportunity to satiate the masses with slightly more than minimum wage?