Libertarian socialist federated semi-direct democracy in Rojava, Syria

That's exactly what libertarian socialism is.

Anarchists just have to keep proving the ☭TANKIE☭s right over and over again

It just an attempt by the U.S to Balkanise Syria. They did the same thing in Iraq after the invasion by segregating Sunni, Shia and Kurdish neighbourhood and fostering Wahhabism and other ideologies toxic to Secular Arab Nationalism and a United Front against U.S genocidal Imperialism.

It’s honestly ridiculous that people still spout this shit even after the Kurds have renounced separatism, the US had announced its withdrawal, and the PYD has formed good relations with Damascus.

Again, federalism isn't going to happen, the idea of federalism goes directly against Ba'athist governance, which is unitary

Like the constitution of Cuba

the kurds are ☭TANKIE☭s, only retard western internet cranks or anarchists think otherwise

Assad pays for their healthcare and compared to democratic confederalism baathism is a fucking shit.

Hussien was a CIA dog.

the USSR still had capitalist you fucking mong

what are you some fucking anarchist?

Badmouse made a YouTube video explaining that they're being pretty shit to the Assyrian minority. They generally get my support though. Definitely not true anarchism but a start.

I've read a lot of Bookchin and he has some pretty dumb theories.

How is Rojaava? I hear it compared to Democractic confederalism a lot but how much is it really?

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I wonder if CIA backed strongmen ever regret kissing the devil's ring when Uncle Sam backstabs them.

Which of Bookchin's theories do you find dumb?

Bad mouse must be a dumb fuck then

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We just wanna see Anarkiddies lose another time.

all kurds are pawns of Israel and must be destroyed for the advancement of the workers

t. Zig Forumsyp

ok anarkiddie

have fun being tools of the most capitalist nation on earth

What makes the US more capitalist than other nations, what does make one MORE capitalist than someone else you literal retard.
Using terms like "anarkiddie" "destroy Israel" and "for the workers" still doesn't make you a good falseflager.
LURK MORE YOU FAGGOT

why are you really here 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧porky🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧?

Do you think capitalism is some sort of ideology for nations to be more or less of, tell me, how is the US more capitalist than Israel or South Korea, or the UK?
Are you just a regular Zig Forumsyp faggot, or are you one of those that came here after the Zizek/Peterson debate?

Badmouse is really misinformed in that video. Those schools were closed by Sutoro, an Assyrian militia/police force because the pro-Assad leadership of the school (the clergy, every communist's best friend) wanted to teach mostly Arabic there while relegating Armenian and Syriac to minor role (while the PYD and the Syriac Union Party wants all three languages to be thought). As you can see, cause if this whole incident isn't the PYD's "fascism", but the division between Dawronoye and Syrian nationalist Assyrians.
His claim that every pro-DFNS Assyrian group like the Sutoro or the Syriac Union Party is secretly filled with Kurds and Arabs is a laughable (and unsourced) conspiracy theory.

learn how to make something other than a strawman argument before you died of pretentious pseudtardation. And yeah, I realize that's an ad hom but you literally have no argument and are just absolutely raging so I see no reason to take you seriously.

wanting to preserve their language sounds pretty fashy to me. nationalism is a spook.

Just go back to your regular shithole you absolute retard

It has many flaws but is certainly very positive for the middle east, especially in areas like women's rights. If there is any nation to "critically support" in the middle east, one big US military base in Syria is it.

IS THAT WHY ASSAD PAYS FOR THEIR HEALTHCARE AND WORKS WITH THEM ON MOST OCCAISONS.. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE PAWNS OF HIS GREATEST ENEMY? WHY DO YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE MAN HIMSELF?

this is my regular shithole your larper with an undergrad understanding of Marx

not sure if this was satire or unironic retardation

their relations are more than cordial, if strained at times. I would say that is an accurate depiction.

* more than cordial i.e. their is a mutual acceptance of the necessity of their willingness to work with each other. Kurds do not hate Syrians as they do Turks and vice versa

enemy of my other enemy is my friend at times. At least that retard who I am charitably comparing to a college undergrad hasn't shat up the thread with their "no u retarded" again.

Israel supports the balkanisation of Syria, why? Because Israel supports the general Balkanisation of the planet but especially their immediate large and militarily considerable neighbours. The Kurds themselves desire national liberation (of a very certain sort) and have desired general national liberation for a long time. In this sense, their goals align, that is true. HOWEVER, this does not mean that in some sense the Kurds are controlled by or pawns of Israel. The evidence for this is circumstantial, one, the proven long term Israeli plan for the breaking up of Syria, which included support of Kurdish secession as a possible path, added with the Kurds relationship with the US during the conflict with ISIS as well the the US longstanding and proven intentions to overthrow the Assad regime and subsequently the blatant and obvious almost fraternal relations between the US and Israel.

Assuming these relationships however are anything but what arose from a very strange set of material conditions is outrageous idealism, you are assuming it was nefarious Israeli consciousness rather than the movement of matter which created the peculiar situation.

The Kurds have been seeking independence for years, when the US destroyed Iraq and subsequently stirred up the "colour revolution" in Syria, effectively nulling the Assad regimes power to govern, they turned to their already established councils and unions who took control. Classic dual power situation. They had to do this, without this they would have been defenceless, as the Assad government continued to lose its grip.

With the rise of ISIS off the back of a massive upsurged in global Islamic extremism, came a formidable and brutal enemy that they need to defend themselves from, an enemy which, if things had been slightly different, would have been quite capable of conquering large amounts of Syrian territory.

The US is obviously entirely to blame for the situation in the middle east. There is no denying that, however for the Kurds, with no air support of their own, how could they say no, what was their other option? You are faced with the decision to defend or to abandon your newly found liberation with the help of a detestable enemy you have been outspoken against for years, a supporter of your main oppressor, the Turks, who are in bed the EU, Americas best buddy.

Speaking of the Turks, in the North you face an extremely hostile and brutal fascist dictatorship which is only consolidating, these scum are aiding and abetting your immediate enemy, ISIS, selling them oil and such, to the point where they are now refusing to allow the US to carry out airstrikes in the region from their territory. This is a key point in the story, the kurds were not even Americas first choice for a launchpad, obviously their Nato ally turkey was.

Now, for the kurdish leadership, they can score points against Turkey by a stronger relationship with the US, while also securing for themselves the backing of the most developed military in the world.

The force that is actually allowed in? Piffling. A few hundred special forces and some air bases versus tens of thousands of Kurds, they do not represent a threat to the Kurds, there actually seems to be very little effort on the part of the US to get rid of the Kurds. In the eyes of the US, the Kurds are doing their job just fine. Assad is destabilised, Trump gets to pretend he neutralised ISIS, Israel continues doing what it has always been doing apace.

Bare in mind, the Kurds also received air support from Russia, they were taking help from wherever they could get in order not to be smushed under the jihadi heel. They had no choice in the matter really.

On top of this, despite a few incidents of violence, which when compared to the rest of the Syrian war are nothing, the Kurds and the Assad regime have generally worked together, like I said, Assad continues to pay many Kurdish bills. He does not want Nato member Turkey expanding into Syria any more than they do, neither does he want a resurgence of ISIS. For the Kurds, Israeli expansion into Syria would mean a weaking of the Syrian Army, which represents a block on Turkish incursion, as does a continued US presence.

your real politik is weak and you should feel bad.

A large part of Maoism is the concept of New democracy, where sometimes you ally with capitalists in order to achieve your immediate survival goals.

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Britain didn't want the USSR to kill fascists, Britain didn't even lift a finger to stop the German-Soviet invasion of Poland. The Windsor family and London bankers did everything in their power to let the Nazis scam the rest of the capitalist world until they had enough resources to make a go for it.

Why do you think the King kept Lord Halifax around? The USSR was an ally of accidental convenience, more comparable to the current Russo-Turkish "alliance" in Syria than that between Israel and Kurdistan.

So the British capitalist class were fine with fascism until it threatened them. So what. Tell me something new. When it did, they declared war, yknow when their capital city was being bombed and their major ally in France who is also their nearest neighbour had capitulated.They were fighting one of the most deadly wars ever against them. You are really telling my they did not want the USSR to open up a front? You are legitimately retarded. Yeh okay, the US took ages to enter the war also because there was large amounts of fascist sympathy tied up in german-american business partnerships, but they did enter the war in the end didn't they.

The kurds aren't even materially allies with israel to nearly the extent that the USSR and the US/UK were. If the USSR and US was an ally of accidental convenience the Kurds and Israel are something even less than than.

Its hilarious you can conceive of allies of accidental convenience but you cannot conceive of it in the instance of the Kurds.

Give me one bit of evidence, other than circumstantial evidence, that the Kurds actions in Syria are motivated by the goals of the Israelis and not their own self defence.

other countries which got temporary support from the US in order to fight inner reaction include Cuba, it was lucky for the Cubans that the Americans did not like the Spanish in this instance.

also answer this question which you never did: Why does Assad remain as friendly as he does with Kurds if they are the pawns of his greatest enemy? Either you are saying he choses not to act on it, or he is unaware of the situation but somehow you are, or you are saying that he is incapable of acting on it, and yet, he is quite capable of not supporting the Kurds against the Turks, Assad is quite capable of not paying for their healthcare and such, even he did continue to assert Syrian territory. Yet, he choses to work with the kurds militaryily and economically. You have not explained this at all, apart from with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend sometimes" well exactly, but how does that prove that the kurds are Israeli puppets?

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how is this a response to any of what I just said. Your vagueries show the bullshit in your position

OK, loser.

they're antiimperialists, that's good enought for me

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citation needed

Israel and USA are one and the same and the main force behind Kurdish independence.

AQ and ISIS are also Israeli tools so naaah. even Israeli media admits Islamic extremism is good for their interests. One of their tanks crossed the UN demarcation line in the past few weeks to clean up some of their mess.

kurdish independence movement exists for almost 200 years… Israel is only 74 years old…
and you sound like an alt-right moron

by the same logic, the idea of Israel exists for thousands of years and has nothing to do with Anglo-American imperialism.

I don't think we are talking about the same thing here…

no, your imperialist talking point just got BTFO'd

yeah sure

you have the reading comprehension of an angry tranny

I'd differ Nati-Imperialsim and Zionism

*Nato

Capitalist imperialism knows no national or racial bounds.

sure

so you concede one big US military base in Syria is a tool of capitalism and imperialism, as it must be with their allies?

no, I really don't…
sure, the US has interests in Syria
alike Turkey, Israel, Iran and Libanon…

ok porky, you just accept America's interests out of your good socialist heart ;)

I only accept kurdish interests

is this a joke? I gave a long explanation as to why you are full of shit and you think "i could totally pwn u in lik 2 sentences" is an actual response.

Show any proof for any of the claims you have made. Even explain them witout proof, because you haven't even shown a logical path.

Why does Israel and Kurdistan agreeing on the issue of Kurdish independence for entirely different reasons make them pawns?

What would you have done in that situation if you were the kurdish leadership?

also answer this question which you never did: Why does Assad remain as friendly as he does with Kurds if they are the pawns of his greatest enemy? Either you are saying he choses not to act on it, or he is unaware of the situation but somehow you are, or you are saying that he is incapable of acting on it, and yet, he is quite capable of not supporting the Kurds against the Turks, Assad is quite capable of not paying for their healthcare and such, even he did continue to assert Syrian territory. Yet, he choses to work with the kurds militaryily and economically. You have not explained this at all, apart from with "the enemy of my enemy is my friend sometimes" well exactly, but how does that prove that the kurds are Israeli puppets?

answer any of these questions

why does Trump lives Israel and every middle eastern minority (apparently) except alawites mean that the kurds are the puppets of israel. You are just spitting out random pieces of irrelevant information

Why are you so mad kurds are Israeli and puppets? Are you anti-semitic? You totally ignore the one big US military base in Syria aspect of one big US military base in Syria. You can sauce this yourself with a short google search.

prove it retard.

Prove in any way that Israel are in control of the Kurdish independence movement.

literally you think Israel are a bigger force than the majority of the population or kurfistan organising themselves into militias?

oh a minor infraction of some description in the messiest warzone in the world.

explain how you go from this information to your original premise

the idea of Israel has existed for thousands of years, the idea that Israel should use Kurdistan to balkanise Syria is a much newer idea

also just again

this is some real NPC shit when you start saying random semi related things

Kurds exists longer than Israel

I said just read the Israeli press, you can google this shit yourself you lazy angry tranny.

im not they arent

eat shit

is that why i typed ot what you described as a "wall of text" all about it? you fucking moron

do you think I am denying the existence of US military bases in Kurdistan? Or can you not grasp anything beyond "US MILITARY BASE BAD" ??

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is almost as bad as Wall Street in 2008.

So I say that Assad is allied to the Kurds, as is Russia, and that they are in a war with a Nato member and all you can come up with in response is that NATO is made up of people who dont like each other?

the burden of proof is on you retard. I am well aware the israelis consider the situation favourably, I am asking you to prove your completly difference claim that the kurds are israeli puppets

I'll take that as a very uncomfortable and exposed but enthusiastic "YES!". You are stupid NAZI SCUM.

Where is the lie?

your SJW tactics are what can eat shit. You are the one who is obsessed with them being an israeli puppet, not me, and then you turn it around and say im anti semtitic. Eat shit.

i didn't deny it. its true. It doesn't prove that Kurdistan is imperialist, or engaged in an anti imperialist struggle

Oh my god you are the most obtuse cunt in the world.

I AGREE, ISRAEL SEES THE SITUATION FAVOURABLY

THAT IS A DIFFERENT STATEMENT FROM

ISRAEL CONTROLS THE SITUATION

I AGREE ON THE FIRST ONE

YOU HAVE SHOWN ME ZERO PROOF OF THE SECOND

they are, tho

You're just mad I called you out on your Nazi bullshit, retard. If you ever read Mao on guerrilla warfare you'd know every guerrilla army needs a safe staging area and ISIS and one big US military base in Syria alike are staged in occupied Golan. It's sad how you can just overlook blatant Anglo-American colonialism and imperialism in favour of your anti-Semitic narrative.

only i didn't ignore you posts did i. I responded to them right here

it was you who then didnt answer any of the questions in this post and still hasnt

or this one

literally the posts have no reply to them, wereas your posts do have replies from me. autist

citation needed

READ MAO AND LOOK AT A MAP RETARDED NAZI SCUM

you are the one who is talking about the kurds being israeli puppets you fucking mug

OK, Nazi.

well viewers, i will go no further, you can see for yourself the state of this cunt

(this is the kind of mindset that split leftypol)

the only thing split around here is your fragile, cognitive dissonant mind

If you want to read quality posts about rojave ignore the Nazis and imperialist apologists and bother only with>>2883454

Anglo-Nazi sympathizer confirmed

what?
dude, stay off the weed

the caliber of man-children who are delusional enough to support imperialist one big US military base in Syria

i engaged your arguments you refused to engage with mine.

i revert back to these posts for one last time

Golan = Bad
I agree with that

Israel doesn't control the Kurds, and neither do the US