/LeftyBritPol/ Rock Stein to the Pasty mines edition

It could have been so good.

Is Devon merely just east Cornwall?

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Top kek

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48185348

Pathetic

For someone so fat he really is not made for existing in meatspace.

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Oh dear, how sad, never mind

swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17620809.ukip-leader-cancels-visit-to-swindon/

Is the fat scott running too?

You mean Count Dankula?

Yee

"The BBC is biased towards leftis–"

youtube.com/watch?v=sSBCRkcF5C8

God, Corbyn is the UK's only hope if those autists can be considered legitimate candidates.

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heraldscotland.com/news/17624286.tony-blair-harsh-nationalist-politicians-like-alex-salmond-put-me-off-being-scottish/
alex salmond: greatest scot since william wallace or what?

Was Wallace a sex pest too?

Tbh critically support Jess Phillips against Carlgonite Imperialism.

Redpill me on the CPGB-ML

Autistic Stalinists that might possibly be a honeypot (they are like hardcore Stalinists that appear to just be edgy fucks and also they helped break-up Scargill's Socialist Labour Party).

Edinburgh is the root of all the world's evils. Forget that Gove is Scottish too, do any of you sassenachs recognise gove as having any kind of scottish accent?

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Gove is from Aberdeen too: like they have the most distinctive of Scottish accents, not easy to lose.

Literally the only actual ML party in this country, for all their faults.

What do you guys think of Johnathan Pie? He seems aware of class issues but his viewers seem more right wing than he is…

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Nothing to redpill you on; they march around with their Stalin banner alienating everyone at May Day, sit there in the 'Stalin Society' wanking to Grover Furr and in other news just randomly attack trans people for no apparent reason. Avoid like the plague.

He is basically an anti-establishment populist that [correctly] realises that Corbyn is the most anti-establishment choice in British politics rn. If he were to join Labour i'd be more than happy about it.

Anyone seen this shit?

youtube.com/watch?v=o3SDkE9cIys

The wagie cagie song isn't hyperbole. Working under present capitalist conditions is inhumane, can you really blame NEETs?

Distribution centers of any kind are fucking horrid

He mentioned before that he a old leftie but often time his anti-idpol rants are more widespread than his class warfare stuff. Also his co-writer writes for Spectator so that this is a huge red flag (pun intended)

What

The Spectator is a weird beast, you know Braden O'Neil used to like shill for shit like the Warrington bombing? They are stuffed to the full with Disso Republicans.

I thought it was a safe space for insufferable Tories to be insufferable Tories like Toby Young

Whats that?

Oh it is.
Dissident Republicans: aka the lot that say the GFA was unacceptable like Saoradh. For example not onl O'Neil (who has the worst takes on everything, like legit) but Claire Fox the spectator writer & Brexit Party candidate is a disso.

Oh I thought Republicianism in the UK is a left-wing thing. But still that hardly good company for someone who calls himself an old leftie to keep.

My another problem with Johnathan Pie stuff is that he once said in an interview to want new and proper dialogue yet always seems to shut down idpol issues and preaching to the choir. Hypocritical or ironic idk but it isn't helping his cause and image to the rest of the Left.

CPGB-ML is under very strong influence from the Brar family, who are relatively anti-LGBT, it's not surprising given how prickly certain aspects of that discourse can become.

I know that but how can that be called 'randomly attacking trans people for no reason'?

I mean if you just start spouting off about it, it's pretty random and attacking is often used to describe hostile verbal/textual comment.
Not the most unambigous phrasing but not uncommon.

I've never seen anything from the CPGB-ML that could be described as attacking trans people. Saying that gender theory is bad is not attacking trans people.

They talk about gender far less than most groups do.

I haven't seen an actually good critique or even understanding of gender theory from them personally, so it just ends up sounding like idpol bullshit to me. They don't really harp on about it that much though, I'll give you that.

Good guy who stood up for Corbyn when all the media were against him. Also a principled supporter of freedom of speech, e.g defended Count Dankula (rightfully) for the nazi pug think.

Lol the CUKs cucked-out of the Peterbourgh by-election. If they don't win an MEP they might-as-well fuck-off and die as a political party.

Brexit Party running for MPs is self-defeating as fuck tbh

Explain.

It just looks like self-serving political opportunism to get elected in Westminster, unless they pinky promise to disband and resign once Brexit happens.

They probs won't have a choice tbh.
But standing for Westminster makes a degree of sense: since MPs can amend the WA and thus impact brexit. Being in Westminster they will have far more say over a brexit deal than in Brussels that's for sure.

But they would still have to take part in governing in local or national issues. Maybe if they promise to abstain from all other votes except Brexit and resign come the next election when Brexit happens, it would be consistent with their platform.

How is /britleftypol/ going to vote on the 23rd?
strawpoll.me/17968807

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I don't want to vote for anyone tbh. We're voting for some privileged types to get an all expenses paid trip to brussels plus an huge salary.

Talking to some people at the local Labour party when I was out delivering leaflets last week and they said that they know people who applied to be Labour MEP representatives but never heard back and suddenly the regional office has just selected the list of candidates by themselves.

I really don't want to vote labour on this, because they don't deserve it. this is the kind of thing I don't want to say at party meetings on twitter because I don't want to get expelled.

Same mate. Not voting for bxp just so they can get those sweet, sweet EU expenses and nobody really deserves my vote.
If anyone asks i'm just going to say im boycotting it as i consider it an illegitamate election.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-48230438

Kek, shame they missed though

lol what? they brought milo back?
Christ, they're either completely disconnected or just completely desperate to be rallying the absolute dregs of the burger reactionary grifter sphere to their cause.

Tbh someone should just follow them shouting "WE ARE LEEDS, WE ARE VILE, BENJAMIN IS A PAEDOPHILE" if he is gonna hang around Milo.

I forgot to register, so I'm looking forward to that £80 fine.

I swear that loads of people get away with not being on the voters' roll.

If you're a student you "have to" apparently.
But also yeah in rural areas voting is so bootleg: like my mum just had my polling card and she was able to vote for m (p sure my proxy didn't go through in time).

Is May going to go soon? There seems to be a general assumption that she will, but there is no formal mechanism for ousting her and she clearly has no intention of going gracefully. Just a lot of vague threats from Tory backbenchers.

There's an formal all-member meeting of the tories in June where a non-binding confidence vote will be held. It is expected she will lose it.

… and then carry on regardless.

Tbh if she did expect to see not only resignations but defections, especially if the tories get shagged at the Euros.

I think she would carry on even then. She knows that if she leaves now she would have no legacy or achievements to speak of, and she's desperate for her time in office not to have been totally in vain.

Well she'd crash the tory party with no survivors, can't disagree with that.

If the Tories do implode because she refuses to go, she'll blame the defectors/rebels/Brexiters and continue believing that it's not her fault. Just like how she keeps repeating that Brexit would have been sorted by now if only people had voted for her deal.

Good for her, changes fuckall. If more than 4 defections happen she has no majority.

William Wallace was a paedophile

Would be funny

Theresa May, the last member of the Conservative Party, still maintains that "nothing has changed".

I doubt the defectors will do anything to help Corbyn be PM tbh

Well that doesn't matter if May can't pass a budget

I don't think that's the crucial thing any more, under the FTPA.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson is elected the first leader of the Ancient Mystical Society of No Theresas.

If she can't pass a budget, the state basically can't function.

HOLY SHIT

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DOOM AND DEATH, FOREVER ACCOMPANYING EACH OTHER IN THESE TIMES

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Big if true tbh. Still can't believe anyone who would or should vote for Brexit Party in GE tbh

Most of them are pissed-off tories, look how if you add their vote-share up you get 43%.

*Blasts out Immigrant Song*

Sucks to see Labour's vote count fall though, some of it probably went to the Brexit Party. FPTP will ensure that Labour wins with a majority, at least thats what r/ukpolitics is saying.

Not quite, the projections show Labour about 10 seats short, but Labour has the benefit of the "nationalist cushion": aka that the SNP & Plaid will likely vote-through a lot of their policies (rail renationalisation, raising taxes to end austerity, ending arms sales to the Saudis). Sure it will make things difficult; something like BDS might not pass, but the base-level anti-neoliberal stuff will get through. The election after that will be one where Labour needs a majority.

If they adopt a full policy agenda (which would basically make them the same as Farage-era UKIP) I think they could easily get 20% in a GE. The Tories briefly suppressed the threat from the right by promising Brexit but now it will come back even stronger.

Why would you ever go to that place or give it credence. Also 28% and 22% are low enough that you can't say what the result would be in terms of seats.

We are probably seeing different model but the ballpark number is all that matters. How ironic that Labour takes the moral highground and loses votes, only to be buoyed as the worst electoral system possible.

Of course the overall seats will vary but in general FPTP gives more advantage to Labour and Tories

But they won't or can't. The point of forming a protest party is all your members and voters only agree on one policy, making a manifesto about other things will only spilt the voterbase. Remember pre-Brexit Party UKIP only got 15ish% of the votes…

The moment they do this they will lose a chunk of their support tho: especially if Farage's Thatcherism takes-hold (which considering his dominance of the party, it may very-well do). See one of the reasons the BXP is doing well atm is that A) it can appeal to pro-indy brexit voters in Scotland B) outside of "leaving the EU" it doesn't have to answer questions over tax or social policy or how to fix the country and C) atm it is a broad front: with communists and porkies running on the same list. The moment they have to say "this is what we should do with the economy" is one when they will start losing people. Now that might actually benefit Labour: if the BXP does lean into Thatcherism Labour saying "Nationalised trains, bitches" will be good enough for some people. That still puts Labour far short of what it got in 2017, but it may be enough to secure a majority.

flavible.com/politics/map/polls?sid=1931
I'm running off these lads, considering their model is pretty in-depth rather than just UNS.

Oh my bad, we were looking at the same model, I just forgot that the majority number is 325

Eh it depends, the current boundaries favour Labour only in that Urban areas are represented more than rural ones: but ironically enough a lot of the growing rural areas are becoming more Labour.

Dw about, although it's fair to remember you can take off about 5-9 seats depending on how Norn swings.

The conditions for a party like that to succeed are a lot better now.

"Success" at a Westminster election is very difficult to achieve tbf.

No? All the other parties has to do is asking for more and more domestic policies to spilt its base. If anything I think its best chance of winning is to have no domestic policies and abstain from any domestic bill from passing.

Well it depends on who is defecting to who so we will see. But my bigger point about FPTP favoring the biggest party to be the majority still stands.

You're right, although we have a big problem called "The SNP" atm that have effectively locked-up about 30-40 seats from either of the two main parties: making it far harder to form a majority.

Not the point. If UKIP could get 13% in 2015 then BXP can get more in 2019.

I agree with this. One thing it is worth noting is that ote share isn't enough, you need to concentrate it. From local authority results we will see how the BXP is located geographically around the country.

No one is saying otherwise, but pivoting those percentages into seats is really hard in FPTP.

If we do get a situation where Labour, Tories and Brexit are all in the 20-30% range (which is very unlikely IMO) you would expect Brexit to win dozens of seats at least.

Maybe a dozen… Again it really depends on where the BXPs are spread out and what their domestic policies or strategy will be.

.@ComRes - 9th May
Lab : 27%
BRX : 20%
Con : 19%
LDem : 14%
CHUK : 7%
Grn : 5%
UKIP : 3%

ANOTHER ONE