Womb envy

Hey gais, do you believe in womb envy? By karen horney?


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Do transgenders have womb envy?

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Conservatives oppose abortion because conservatives would rather keep people with a feckless attitude to sex in the breeding population. Under legal abortion rules, there is every year fewer people who would have sex recklessly, because abortion injures their reproductive success. Hedonistic degenerates prefer to avoid letting recklessly sexual populations die out, so they oppose abortion rights. Similarly, degenerate conservatives provide deeper darkness to potential child abusers by concealing unusual sexualities, so that premature and inappropriate sexualization has a better chance to take root, when otherwise people of unusual sexual interests would live openly without harm to children.

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Sounds to me more like a Femoid with an inferiority complex deflecting her anger using an exact reversal of Freud's crackpot theories like penis envy.

Exactly as much as I believe in "penis envy."
Which is to say, there might be something to it. I don't know Freud well enough.

I think this is a slight misreading of psychoanalysis. The point of castration isn't simply that women don't have penises and men do and therefore men are more psychologically stable. (For one thing, Freud doesn't say penis but phallus, meaning a signifier of masculinity.) Both men and women are castrated according to Lacan because there is no symbolization inherent to them, they can only be defined by their lack - a man is defined by not being a woman and a woman is defined by not being a man, we can only exist in opposition to others, and so on and so on. *sniff* And so *tugs shirt* to rename castration as womb envy or vagina envy is to miss the process of symbolization entirely: a woman's breasts or a man's penis does not have any psychological significance until we give it some, i.e. use the penis to signify the man or the milk to signify the woman. *LOUDER SNIFF* this process takes place differently according to material circumstances and doesn't need to happen this way, we can change how we are socialized through technology or changes in social organization and sho on and sho on

I don't think women have penis envy nor do men have womb/vagina envy.

a true zizekian would never commit such a novice mistake ;^)

Absolutely not

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What is the difference between leftpol and leftypol?

the y makes it cuter

yeah signifier of signifiers according to Zizek but the OP is talking about gender roles

Is cuter code for useless?>>2884321

I would hate to be a woman, when I fantasize about being a girl it isn't in a sexual way at all, I just want to look cute, if I could I would become a genderless android that happens to have the head of a female human of my choosing. Pregnancy sounds horrible.

Most trannies regret changing sex after 35

The thing is, a lot of her critiques of Freud were based around Freud not being scientific enough, and instead of actually focusing on physiological differences, he based a lot of reasons for female behaviour on their emotional states and relations to their partners.
Honestly her most important work was about how both healthy and neurotic people have "inner conflict" but the only difference is in the magnitude of the conflict itself.

Go back to whatever containment shithole you came from faggot
And how did this turn into a conversation about fucking trannies, someone seems OBSESSED

Women are kinda luckey because when they give birth they know that their child is theirs, but with guys when their wife gives birth some guy might be cucking him, and without a DNA test it won’t ever be known.

what if the guy who cucks you works at the dna factory and rigged the results
you can never be sure

there is already a thread for people like you

Your reply to sucked! hah

Is gender dysphoria diagnosis scientific enough?

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At least I know I have followers

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The other board split off because the BO had a fit and started banning everyone that disagreed with them.

Would this help explain my pregnancy fetish?

Kind of both tbh. I want to know the pain of losing your virginity and giving birth so I can act like that pregnant dude from clickhole.

you mean the other board got butthurt over a world filter

Honestly, this except penis envy does have some merit.

Even if you completely disregard its psychological aspect, it still retains a social aspect. The phallus is, obviously, the most fundamental male sex signifier, so in any patriarchal society, it will, by association, signify power as well. Further, simply having a penis isn't a state, so much as a fundamental characteristic of a man (castration notwithstanding, being a relatively very rare, and decidedly unnatural process), partly because it's, well, a 24/7 kind of deal. By contrast, childbearing is a function. A fundamental function, but a function nonetheless, and a remarkably difficult one at that. So on the one hand, the phallus signifies power – which might be considered a burden – and on the other, the womb signifies just a burden. Given this, who can fault any woman for wishing to have this big and powerful thing under their control? Freud was a textbook case of projecting one's own personal hang-ups as an undeniable part of human nature, but his own daughter, a psychoanalyst as well, echoed this when talking about why so many girls love horse-riding.


Isn't this one of the few cases where an appeal to nature is valid? Anatomy is the fundamental sex signifier, after all, and saying a signifier doesn't have significance doesn't make sense.


I… what? Conservatives oppose abortion because it's a fundamental part of the reactionary pathology: to ensure one's own tribe is as numerous as possible so you don't get exterminated by the neighboring tribe, and do it to them instead.

This doesn't even make sense. There's no a-priori reason why promiscuous peoplewould have fewer children than the norm. If anything, they're likely to have more children, as it's highly unlikely that all unwanted pregnancies would be aborted. Conservatives seem to think an abortion is as menial as applying a fuking band-aid or something, they actually believe there are women who just fuck all the time and have abortions every few months as their only method of birth control.

???

literally all radfem theory is batshit insane

Somebody inverted Sigmund Freud's concept of penis envy.
We should immediately create a new branch of psychology to understand the inversion drive.

I'm also very envious that I dont have the possibility to blood every month but whatever. Also low-quality Freud reversal, but you already pointed that out. (apropos Freud, I'm still not sure whether skyscrapers are just phallic symbolism)

For Freud men have castration anxiety because they discover their mother, whom they identified with, has no penis (when she's naked). The genitals and ass of the baby-son were also washed by the phallic mother, a relaxing feeling, and so boys identify that experience passively, with their mother in the active role, hence those who don't outgrow that stage remain "momma-boys"/gays (still according to Freud). This is the "vulgar" basis of the still somewhat reality-based Freud, from which Zizek, via Lacan, draws more questionable assertions.
Now in male porn fetishes, it's true that we don't see envy of the womb as such. We rather see for example futanari, which are women with a penis, so a soothing return to the uncastrated phallic mother. Transsexuals in porn are also considered, for the male fantasy to work, as real women (it is not homosexuality).
Based on Freud's claim that women have penis envy, you would expect popular porn for women to feature women with a penis, but futanari or shemale porn is not a popular genre with women (or lesbians) AFAIK. Rather male gay romantic porn is popular among (heterosexual) women, featuring men being cute/caring with each other, that is sort of acting like pussies. Does this disprove Freud's thesis? For Freud child birth works like a sublimation of penis envy; a way for woman to get a penis (the child being an extension of her body).
However, and here I'm speculating, perhaps feminist psychologists could retort to this, by saying that male misogyny is really hatred of one's own penis: men's "disappointment" that real women don't have a penis, leads to the fact that she becomes the penis, that is woman=penis, so that you can't "be a man" without owning a women (if not, you're a beta/cuck, ie a man without a status-object/penis), and therefore woman is treated like an object, namely like a penis, and if she's treated badly (by yourself, or by other men), then it's as if one's own penis is being treated badly. Now the fetish of transsexuals, crossdressers, etc. is to have their own penis treated badly, but pain and pleasure go together here. It also doesn't mean they actively envy the womb, but then if we take Freud's thesis of penis envy, we didn't find in popular porn for women either the fantasy about having a penis/balls.

this was very interesting

cannot fucking wait for the rest of the left to get over their schizophrenic psychology

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