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Hudson James
Hudson James

Get in here.
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

There's no good hard left wiki. Instead of fixing this problem, we've been sitting on our ass. This site has been a viable candidate for a while now, but because the admin has previously written on it using a slightly spooked "anti-Stalinist" perspective, it has been rejected. That's stupid. We can turn it into whatever we need it to be.

Anyone even remotely knowledgeable should start writing articles. The internet needs a website like this. Write on whatever topic related to Marxism and leftism. Worker cooperatives, cybernetic economic planning, dialectical materialism, maybe even internet drama could have a place on there… Whatever works for you. At the moment I mostly want to get a place like this off the ground.

Some rough guidelines for contributing can be found on marxistpedia.org/wiki/Marxistpedia:Guidelines.

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marxists.org/archive/krupskaya/works/howleninstudiedmarx.htm
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marxistpedia.org/wiki/User:CyberSynGANG#To_carry_out_original_discourse.
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David Jones
David Jones

Too bad I'm stupid as shit

Samuel Moore
Samuel Moore

They unironically say not real communism though

Juan Bell
Juan Bell

We can change that. I've already placed a disclaimer at the top of the FAQ page and the admin seems fine with it.

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

a slightly spooked "anti-Stalinist" perspective
that's not spooked, that's reasonable

Michael Flores
Michael Flores

Sure. It just isn't a good position for a Wiki like this to take. Ideally it should attract a broad base of Marxists and Marxist sympathizers.

Henry Price
Henry Price

Bump.

Carter Long
Carter Long

Just edit wikipedia.
It's literally a libsoc governance structure based on mutual aid and voluntary cooperation. Protected editing is just like seniority that you would see in any worker's union, and it's based off your editing history, contributions, and ability to cooperate with other workers.
The bylaws that govern editing on wikipedia largely prevent evangelizing and historical revisionism beyond what already exists within the current state of scholarship. If you want to propagandize instead, the wiki is a poor format. If you want to combat poor scholarship and historical revisionism, that can be and is done both within wikipedia and academia itself.

Cameron Edwards
Cameron Edwards

marxistpedia.org/wiki/Marxistpedia:Guidelines.
Added value (Education > Information)
Articles need to have added value in terms of Marxist or leftist understanding.
That's added use-value you revisionist ⛏️😡

Mason Flores
Mason Flores

The article on the USSR is awful. Who wrote this shit?

Hunter Flores
Hunter Flores

ancom gang probably

Joseph Gomez
Joseph Gomez

Is it still maintained by that clique of ultras from RevLeft? Given the FAQ describes itself as "left-of-Leninism" I'm guessing so. Still, I'd not be against helping out where possible.

Nicholas Carter
Nicholas Carter

Not really a fan of this idea, personally. Either use Wikipedia or post a Q&A in the sticky.

Logan Jackson
Logan Jackson

t. liberalpedia shills

John Johnson
John Johnson

So you're launching a propaganda campaign like the dirty cummie you are, band of slimey shameless demagogues

Connor Wright
Connor Wright

what exactly is wrong with having a site dedicated to explaining basic concepts and definitions for our views?

Aiden Morales
Aiden Morales

propaganda to counter anticommunist propaganda
sounds good

Samuel King
Samuel King

The Paris commune still observes the remembrance of the anarchist workers who were killed in the Haymarket affair Chicago, 1886.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

I volunteer to write an article on the Russian civil war

Aaron Martin
Aaron Martin

I might write an article on fall of USSR on there. But that will probably be in evening since I don't have the time now. I'll post here when I'm done.

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

slightly spooked "anti-Stalinist" perspective
how slightly?

meanwhile, in reality: youtube.com/watch?v=nDPrpKDjQ5U

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Ryder Collins
Ryder Collins

This is cool

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Bentley Carter
Bentley Carter

I mean technically we have Marxists.org

Zachary Sullivan
Zachary Sullivan

That article was when the admin was still writing from an exclusively left-communist perspective. It's the "anti-Stalinist spookery" I mentioned in OP. It would be a great help if someone could help rewrite it in a less biased way.
USSR wasn't real socialism etc. It's alright to go into perspectives like that on the wiki, but it should be alongside other Marxist analyses, clearly delineated from each other.
Maybe the best way to tackle 20th century communism is not from the "Is it real socialism or not?" angle but from "Was it an effective project to move towards socialism?" Explain the successes and failures. Explain how the historical conditions played into this and how we could improve upon it today.
The "real socialism" question can be dealt with in a separated section for it. In
Go for it.

Lincoln Allen
Lincoln Allen

Are you the owner? I took a look around the wiki and it seems pretty left-com-ish. I'm writing an article but it will take long since I want to source everything and check if I'm not making any mistakes. I'm assuming you don't have to write from certain lens, right? I'm neither a left-com or ML so I can feel the threat of a gulag if I don't go with the general consensus. Anyways I'll try to contribute the best I can.

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Wyatt Wood
Wyatt Wood

I'm not the owner but they seem fine with whatever. Just go for it.

Colton King
Colton King

wikipedia is a tool for the ruling class!!!
moments later…
anyone can edit it, they don't need to be credentialed scholars!!!
Both Chris Hedges and Helen do not seem to understand the history or talk pages. Helen handwaves it away by saying no one has time for checking sources, and then immediately denigrates people for using wikipedia as being lazy and not looking at sources.
The fact that wikipedia has been repeatedly demonstrated to be more accurate than Brittanica is never mentioned.
Edit warring, biased editors, shadowfunded edits, and so on are all a reality. Wikipedia isn't perfect or completely accurate or free from bias. Literally nothing is.
Pretending it isn't credible is completely idiotic though.
Look at the sources yourself. Many times you will find they are peer-reviewed journals of high quality, and if the sources are low quality that's what the gigantic warning at the top of the page means. If it isn't there, you can put it there yourself.

Matthew Torres
Matthew Torres

I've done my best to write a comprehensive history about the fall of USSR(marxistpedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_USSR). I aplogize if somethings is spelled wrong, isn't sourced, spelled wrong, or simply doesn't make sense. I'm going to improve this page but for now I'm done, i've spent good few hours re-reading books and trying to condence them. If anyone can help me it's with writting the 1991 coup attempt which pretty much comes out of nowhere without any background given in my text. Some parts I've left out but I, like any other human, need to sleep. anyways say if somethings is wrong or you don't understand it. Every criticism is appreciated. Cheers!

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William Reed
William Reed

I aplogize if somethings is spelled wrong, isn't sourced, spelled wrong,
Yeah, you can see I'm pretty tired.

Lincoln Kelly
Lincoln Kelly

I did some basic editing of the article.
Good work. This topic is a clear example of why we need an alternative to Wikipedia. Their articles on it are filled with liberal bias.

John Peterson
John Peterson

good work comrade.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

Thanks. I'm going to complete it today and add sources. Thanks especially CyberSynGANG for editing the article. I've also sent an email to the admin of this site if non left-com content is permissible but I haven't recieved anything back so far.

Ian Ross
Ian Ross

I've recieved a response from the admin. It's fine to have differing views on there. And yes I know how funny the name CrispyCactus is

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Robert Adams
Robert Adams

What are some examples of Wikipedia being unfair to Soviets?

Adam Jackson
Adam Jackson

I mean I'm pretty much all for Stalin here but it's fine to have a diversity of critiques in an article including Trotsky. All these people are dead, folks! It's okay to have articles that include different perspectives.

I think it'd be fun to copy from the Soviet Encyclopedia, with a note saying where it's from. It's all open source. I want to look at this closely.
cool

Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

As a 'Stalinist' myself, I agree. Criticisms by Trotsky should be added as well. I think there are two ways to learn Marxism: reading Marxist texts and reading non-Marxist texts. Doing the latter gives a better understanding of Marxism too (like how NOT to think, the thought-process liberals use, etc.)

Marx, Engels, Lenin… everyone used to do that. I think Mao mentions this too.

Here is Krupskaya ("How Lenin Studied Marx"):
Lenin … [studied] what Marx and Engels wrote as well as what Marx's " critics " wrote about him

marxists.org/archive/krupskaya/works/howleninstudiedmarx.htm

Of course to do so you have to have a basic grounding in Marxism.

Charles Gutierrez
Charles Gutierrez

I've given sources to the collapse of USSR article. Like I already said if something is wrong or you don't understand it; say it in this thread. Later i'm going to add how Gorby completely fucked up the rise of nationalism.
What are some examples of Wikipedia being unfair to Soviets?
While not the soviets or unfair the article on one of Mao's wifes makes it seem like he executed her. If you go into her page it's says the full story. I can't seem to find it now thought.

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Aiden Torres
Aiden Torres

Is there any reason we should use Marxistpedia rather than Wikipedia? Surely they'll allow a Marxist take so long as its properly researched, right?

Anthony Reyes
Anthony Reyes

Surely they'll allow a Marxist take so long as its properly researched, right?
Depends on the politics and who pays attention to what you're editing. They can always throw this shit at you to give equal time to retarded ideas:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view

Jason Cruz
Jason Cruz

People can do both. I could see Marxistpedia becoming like the cliff notes version of Marxists.org. There's so much stuff on the latter that it's hard to contextualize it all.

Adrian Powell
Adrian Powell

This seems like the best way forward.
I don't think so. Wikipedia is seen and edited by too many people, add to this the fact you have to remain "neutral", which means stale articles that don't say much at the end. Marxistpedia is better since it has a left leaning view of topics and doesn't need to compromise. This of course doesn't mean we should write in there lies. Everything should be sourced and researched.

Aaron Peterson
Aaron Peterson

Pretending it isn't credible is completely idiotic though.
Where does credibility stem from in class societies? I'll let you figure it out.
inb4 "value free and unbiased" academia

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Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

"Neutrality" in the liberal sense is also this phony ideology with all sorts of biases attached to it. I mean, we will straight up admit this is an ideological project, and about the "cliff notes" thing, one of the things that is fascinating about Marxism to me is how there is this active process with different schools of thought within it.
On the "cliff notes," thing: I'm basically interested in all kinds of Marxist thought and debate. You know, I'm interested in Marxist critiques of the USSR as state capitalist, at that. There's a book by a Marxist scholar named Paresh Chattopadhyay that argues this but it also – unlike most Marxist works – does not imply much of an argument against it on that basis. I think if we contribute to this project in a serious way we can approach it like adults.

I'm interested in leftcom stuff, Hoxhaist stuff, whatever. It's all good.

Blake Nguyen
Blake Nguyen

Can you give examples of "stale" articles where Marxistpedia could do better?

Nathan Smith
Nathan Smith

Tankies OUT
Make your own maopedia, thanks

Evan Williams
Evan Williams

Marxistpedia should ideally do wikipedia's neutrality thing but in the context of left-wing thought. Like, present the different theories on a subject so readers can compare them, just don't shy away from the conclusions being drawn out of trying to be non-political.

Easton Thompson
Easton Thompson

How about the Collapse of the USSR article mentioned earlier in the thread? Wikipedia has a very thorough description of the events as they unfolded, but makes little effort to do an overarching analysis.
This was my thought as well. The wiki should aim for a neutrality within the left. Dismiss Friedrich von Hayek all you want (although it's also interesting to see what we can learn from thinkers like him) but don't treat Karl Kautsky the same way

Eli Williams
Eli Williams

If anyone wants to help I have drawn the data that showed why the shops sold out in the Perestroika period but I'm a brainlet and can't make the articles show it clearly. If anyone wants to edit feel free. marxistpedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_USSR

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Dominic Williams
Dominic Williams

that's not spooked, that's reasonable
Anti-stalinism is spooked. An actual balanced view on Stalin is reasonable. that wiki tends to do the 'muh evil dictator' shtick except its more low-key than when liberals do it.

Colton Taylor
Colton Taylor

Also look up stuff with the keyword 1991 in leftybooru, you'll get some good stuff.

Also here

Leo Wright
Leo Wright

I did it for you. Please fix the reference though. "IMF 1992a" doesn't refer to anything in this context. Find and name the precise publication.

William Bailey
William Bailey

(me)
You're making the same error in all your sources. If you're copying from a book there should be a bibliography specifying which works these shorthands refer to.

Isaac Richardson
Isaac Richardson

I can't seem to find anything more than that. The bibliography says "Official Soviet data cited in International Monetary Fund 1992a: 49, 56." which is what I've cited. The International Monetary Fund Annual Report of 1992 is in part online. I will try to fix what I can.

Brayden Martin
Brayden Martin

Can someone change Stalinism to Marxist-Leninism?

Chase Cooper
Chase Cooper

There's a section called "Bibliography" at the back of the book, just before the index. This section says,
International Monetary Fund (1992a), Economic Review: The Economy of the Former USSR in 1991, Washington, DC: The International Monetary Fund.
Sadly I can't seem to find any online version of this document.

I'm not berating you if you haven't seen this, just trying to help. It's great that you're developing new research skills.

Isaac Diaz
Isaac Diaz

I'd suggest we split it into two pages. The post-Stalin USSR was anti-Stalinist and pro-Marxist-Leninist, so the terms aren't entirely interchangeable. There are also a lot of self-described Marxist-Leninists who are critical of Stalin.

Hunter Stewart
Hunter Stewart

I'm not berating you if you haven't seen this, just trying to help. It's great that you're developing new research skills.
Thanks for saying that. It's the first time I even wrote any article so I'm showing my peak brainletism. Again thanks for the help. Have you seen the new page I created for the Soviet newspaper? It's surprisingly still active and has an online site.

David Roberts
David Roberts

The Stalinism page has a Hoaxhaism and Maoism subcategory. We can put Stalinism there and change the main article name to Marxist-Leninism.

Lucas Adams
Lucas Adams

You're hopeless if you don't understand that some things are true and false.
There are matters of fact, and credibility can and should be considered on how closely a source adheres to facts.

Joshua Long
Joshua Long

The term "Marxism-Leninism" is ideologically loaded in itself because several tendencies, most notably Trotskyism, claim Lenin's legacy as their own. The whole topic is full of weeds if we want the whole community to contribute. Here are my suggestions (as a Trot / councilcom, for what it's worth):

* Main page should be called Marxism-Leninism, with queries for "stalinism" redirecting to it. Clarify in the first paragraph that several tendencies call ML "stalinism", which goes beyond Stalin himself and extends to Khrushchev, Mao, etc.
* The ideology took shape under Stalin's leadership of the USSR, and was codified in a series of books in the 1930s written by Stalin / written in his name. Marxism-Leninism came to be the declared ideology of all 20th century socialist states, with the exception of Yugoslavia and Cambodia - I think most MLs can agree with this
* Topic should be focused on what distinguishes ML as an ideology, not the specific historical experiences of the various states
* Hence, there should be a separate page for "atrocities committed by Stalin's USSR" detailing the show trials, 1932 famine, etc. - let the shitflinging / Furr citing take place here and not the ML page
* Tabs for Anti-Revisionist ML, Maoism, Hoxhaism, etc. with separate page links if necessary
* Most important: section with larger separate page for "criticism of Stalinism / Marxism-Leninism" for Trotskyist and other arguments. There can also be a "ML criticism of Trotskyism" if you like, but please refrain from the "he was a literal agent of Hitler" and keep it to ideological differences.

John Lewis
John Lewis

Marxism-Leninism came to be the declared ideology of all 20th century socialist states, with the exception of Yugoslavia
<Even the League of Communists of Yugoslavia, which obviously didn't have a high opinion of Stalin and which characterized the USSR as "bureaucratic socialism," still described itself as Marxist-Leninist.
desuarchive.org/marx/thread/7075/

Luis Jones
Luis Jones

TIL, I always assumed that they realized that the writings of Marx / Lenin explicitly condemned "market" socialism and didn't try to claim their legacy. Cambodia may be the same, not super familiar with them. Regardless, both states did not fit the traditional "ML" model and I think that should be clarified in the article.

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

The ideology took shape under Stalin's leadership of the USSR, and was codified in a series of books in the 1930s written by Stalin / written in his name
Stalin wrote the stuff "written in his name." There were many Soviet officials who used ghostwriters, but Stalin wasn't among them.

"Foundations of Leninism" was published in 1924 and was pretty much the start of Marxism-Leninism (or, if you prefer, "Stalinism") as an ideology.

The Yugoslavs after their split with Stalin declared that the USSR had deviated from Marx and Lenin and that it was necessary to "return to Marx" for a better understanding of socialism. It's why the Communist Party of Yugoslavia was renamed to the League of Communists of Yugoslavia (meant to remind people of the historic Communist League.)

If you read Yugoslav stuff on workers' self-management, there's a lot of words on the need to overcome alienation and other subjects that the USSR and friends were accused of having failed to take into account.

The Khmer Rouge also claimed to be Marxist-Leninist during the 1970s, although to quote a Christian Science Monitor article from 1984:

Ever since their precipitous fall from power five years ago this month, the Khmer Rouge have been trying desperately to win back support from the very people they once tried to annihilate - former city dwellers, intellectuals, businessmen, religious figures, and political and military men from previous Kampuchean governments.

To that end, the Khmer Rouge have declared the dissolution of their Communist Party and promised not to restore socialism even if they are victorious in their war with the Vietnamese. They have removed Pol Pot from political leadership, although he remains commander in chief of the armed forces. (For four years Pol Pot has not been seen in public; his place has been taken by the less tainted Khieu Samphan, who has promulgated a political program that, at least in word, commits the Khmer Rouge to a form of liberal democracy.)

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

I've never been able to find a conclusive answer on whether or not Stalin used ghostwriters; both liberal and Trotskyist sources have claimed either "contrary to popular belief, Stalin refused to use ghostwriters" or alternatively just state "ghostwritten" as if it were an established fact. My conclusion had been that Stalin was the sole / primary author of early writings like "Foundations of Leninism" but gradually distanced himself as the years went on (although he still had the final say on their content).

I remember this quote from Khrushchev's secret speech claimed one of the biggest ML canonical works, the Short Course, was ghostwritten:

This book, parenthetically, was also permeated with the cult of the individual and was written by a designated group of authors. This fact was reflected in the following formulation on the proof copy of the Short Biography of Stalin: “A commission of the Central Committee, All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), under the direction of comrade Stalin and with his most active personal participation, has prepared a History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), Short Course.”

But even this phrase did not satisfy Stalin: The following sentence replaced it in the final version of the Short Biography: “In 1938, the book History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), Short Course appeared, written by comrade Stalin and approved by a commission of the Central Committee, All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks).” Can one add anything more?

As you see, a surprising metamorphosis changed the work created by a group into a book written by Stalin. It is not necessary to state how and why this metamorphosis took place.

Owen Cooper
Owen Cooper

The Short Course was indeed a case where Stalin did not, in fact, write the entire text. Although to be fair attributing the entire Short Course to Stalin took place only after WWII.

In addition, Stalin did extensively edit the text and even wrote a whole chapter (the one on dialectical materialism.) Here's an interesting article on the subject: chronicle.com/article/Stalins-Blue-Pencil/142109

Even before the opening of Soviet archives settled the matter, there were remarks like the following by historian Leonard Schapiro: "Although ostensibly the work of a commission, Stalin was certainly responsible for [the Short Course's] final shape, and indeed its gnomic style bears all the marks of his pen."

James Campbell
James Campbell

Would you say that my original conclusion (Stalin was the sole / primary author of early writings like "Foundations of Leninism" but gradually distanced himself as the years went on (although he still had the final say on their content)) is accurate?

Bentley Martin
Bentley Martin

All of them.

Nathan Baker
Nathan Baker

As far as I know he wrote pretty much everything attributed to him (the Short Course being an obvious, though partial, exception.) "Marxism and Problems of Linguistics" and "Economic Problems of Socialism" for instance were written by him, and are his last major works.

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

this looks fine but why cant i edit without creating an account? wikipedia lets me do that

Oliver Sanders
Oliver Sanders

That was for quality control, from when accounts were only given out to certain people but I have changed the settings for leftypol, so anyone can edit now.

Oliver Perez
Oliver Perez

You sure thats a good idea? It isn't like this board doesn't have few lurking /pol/yps.

Eli Hall
Eli Hall

It's easy to rollback edits from users, especially if it's all from one IP or account.

Jackson Harris
Jackson Harris

I'll leave it to you folks to hash out edits over Marxism-Leninism but I'm inclined to add some entries on local / regional stuff like historical communists from my area:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Tenayuca

The article barely mentions her communism but she was actually the secretary of the communist party here and wrote a bunch of theory on the Mexican national question. A lot of opportunities to do this at Marxistpedia and Wikipedia is fair use for the large part so you can copy over what you want.

Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

(me)
Or maybe not… reading the guidelines… hrm

Asher Wright
Asher Wright

If you're able to give more information than Wikipedia then that's a great idea, but just copying biographical details by itself is kind of pointless.

Ryder Brown
Ryder Brown

Rog. I think I've got it. The part about "added value" is key.

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

Now that's what you call an article of quality.

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Colton Collins
Colton Collins

some /pol/yp thought he was funny.

Parker Walker
Parker Walker

How can we find a larger user base for this site? Is there any community we should reach out to?

Caleb Rodriguez
Caleb Rodriguez

How do you respond to the talk sections? I want to reply about "Stalinism" on marxistpedia.org/wiki/Talk:FAQ but I'm unable to find an other way than editing the article.

Angel Gutierrez
Angel Gutierrez

I think that's it. Edit the page.

Nathaniel Rogers
Nathaniel Rogers

This. Have we got any suggestions?

Bentley Brown
Bentley Brown

Sadly I don't think there is. The only large leftist space besides leftypol is various subreddits, and we all know how the average user there is.

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

This seems like a psyop.

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Caleb Fisher
Caleb Fisher

KEK

Cameron King
Cameron King

If it were a psyop they wouldn't be this transparent about it.

Jeremiah Baker
Jeremiah Baker

We need suggestions.
What's the problem about following people you disagree with?

Ayden Anderson
Ayden Anderson

The bylaws that govern editing on wikipedia largely prevent evangelizing and historical revisionism beyond what already exists within the current state of scholarship.
Haha, what? Wikipedia is all about getting yourself a merry band of ideologues or sockpuppet accounts and promoting them to adminship where they can then selectively enforce the rules around your articles of choice by banning people for having the wrong opinion. Wikipedia is a wonderful format for propagandizing.

Mason James
Mason James

Pretending it isn't credible is completely idiotic though.
Sources may or may not be credible. A wiki "article" is a collection of those sources that can usually be edited at any time in the future by anonymous users. Wikis by their malleable nature have no inherent credibility.

Daniel Torres
Daniel Torres

The sad thing is that Hedges interview doesn't even really get to the heart of the corruption on Wikipedia. If you ever follow contentious topics and arbitration committee rulings or Jimbo Wales' talk page for any significant period of time, or even several of the regular Wikipedia criticism websites, you will find that it is far worse than that interviewee made it out to be.

Matthew Richardson
Matthew Richardson

you don't know how bad it is on twitter. the shills are really blatant.
Last time OP shilled marxistpedia everyone told him to fuck off because the articles he wrote were absolutely terrible. we should probably continue with that now.

Easton Adams
Easton Adams

you don't know how bad it is on twitter.
we should probably continue with that now.
were absolutely terrible
List examples.
the articles he wrote
Do you understand how wikis work?

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Alexander Butler
Alexander Butler

This is stupid. Wikipedia is already decidedly communist. (Reality has a left-wing bias after all.)

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Daniel Collins
Daniel Collins

leftcom has no problem with Wikipedia's anti-communist bias
really makes you think

Adam Reyes
Adam Reyes

Let's take over conservapedia instead

Levi Foster
Levi Foster

Just read a book

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Angel James
Angel James

Implying that wikipedia is more anti-communist than this bullshit.

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Aiden Lopez
Aiden Lopez

That's the problem with following armchair leftcommunism – everyone wants to be the "i'll make the wiki" guy.

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Logan Hall
Logan Hall

Kek that's even worse than conservapedia drivel.

Left Anticommunism: The Unkindest Cut

Evan Turner
Evan Turner

I'm wondering if Marxistpedia is worth using. I want to write a short article about the post WW2 soviet zone and the German revolution of 1918 but the Twitter account and "Stalinism" made me go yikes. Would it be hard to make a leftypol wiki? I can't imagine it's that hard to create sites like this. On the other hand they said A Marxist Leninist perspective could be allowed after I replied on marxistpedia.org/wiki/Talk:FAQ

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Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

I think you should start a blog or something where you write wiki-style articles with lots of citations. Then when a real marxist wiki shows up, just copy and paste to there.

Levi Perry
Levi Perry

Didn't the admin post here a few months ago and say it was basically ok to post Marxist-Leninist articles? Either way we should just start doing it.

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

Didn't the admin post here a few months ago and say it was basically ok to post Marxist-Leninist articles?
I don't know. What he said to me can be read in the email I received from him after I've said the wiki handled existing socialist states in a strange way , and while not the admin I think I somewhat convinced the guy on the FAQ:talk, I'm crispygrain if it wasn't clear.

The admin and the wiki seems alright and salvageable. I would want it to become a general wiki for Marxist though. I'm not a ML and I don't want it to become just a ML wiki. It should have show things from different Marxist perspectives, which It doesn't now. I will try to write something soon but as of late I have little time to write and read.

Jaxson Sullivan
Jaxson Sullivan

If that shit offends you so much you edit it. That's the principle of the Wiki. You can rewrite it so it makes clear that the term "Stalinism" isn't accepted by all leftists as legitimate.
You should just add to the Wiki while keeping a copy of anything you write. Then if the Wiki goes down or to shit or whatever, you can always reuse it when another pops up.
We're communists. There aren't going to be any copyright battles or anything.

Samuel Wright
Samuel Wright

You're missing the point. Wikipedia already has articles on anything you might find on "Marxistpedia", and they are better.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

What do you expect? Marxistpedia is just getting off the ground.
Wikipedia is alright for what it does. But we're able to do a lot more with a dedicated Marxist / leftist wiki. Extensive analysis from a variety of left-wing perspectives isn't the purpose of Wikipedia. We need this space in order to spread that stuff.

Aaron Murphy
Aaron Murphy

Wikipedia is a capitalist and neo con reactionnaries stronghold, shilled by corporations, alt right and pentagon that do not accept primary sources and accept only mainstream liberal occidental secondary sources, just go look at ussr or syria articles if you want to have a laugh
its shit for anything controversial, and you often have no way of knowing it

if your 'marxistpedia'is administrated by a vocal anti stalinist, any work that goes here is in danger of getting purged or be framed in us propaganda, pretty dangerous

Robert Flores
Robert Flores

if your 'marxistpedia'is administrated by a vocal anti stalinist, any work that goes here is in danger of getting purged or be framed in us propaganda, pretty dangerous
On the other hand, it might make the site seem more reputable to outsiders.

Angel Cooper
Angel Cooper

Solution: Create Stalinpedia

Dominic Phillips
Dominic Phillips

On the other hand, it might make the site seem more reputable to outsiders.
This is true. Going "USSR didn't do anything wrong" not only won't change anyone's mind, it also is simply untrue. The best thing to do is simply tell the truth. don't go into idolization of Stalin but neither make him literally the devil. To quote Bernays (who's a bougie fuck that deserved the bullet)

"Truth is mighty and must prevail, and if any body of men believe that they have discovered a valuable truth, it is not merely their privilege but their duty to disseminate that truth. If they realize, as they quickly must, that this spreading of the truth can be done upon a large scale and effectively only by organized effort, they will make use of the press and the platform as the best means to give it wide
circulation. Propaganda becomes vicious and reprehensive only when its authors consciously and deliberately disseminate what they know to be lies, or when they aim at effects which they know to be prejudicial to the common good. Propaganda' in its proper meaning is a perfectly wholesome word, of honest parentage, and with an honorable history. The fact that it should to-day be carrying a sinister meaning merely shows how much of the child remains in the average adult. A group of citizens writes and talks in favor of a certain course of action in some debatable question, believing that it is promoting the best interest of the community. Propaganda? Not a bit of it. Just a plain forceful statement of truth. But let another group of citizens express opposing views, and they are promptly labeled with the sinister name of propaganda."

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Caleb Morris
Caleb Morris

(self)exiled ex-leftypol leftcom here.

if you consider yourself a marxist or agree with marxist ideas you should contribute to, or share links from, Marxistpedia. it's a decent concept and marxists need to collaborate. 90% of marxist thought has nothing to do with "the stalin question" or other historical controversies. there is nothing stopping anyone from writing (objective) articles on Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, or other tendencies.

you can see a lot of recent progress, but more work is needed:
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Mode_of_production
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Capital_Volume_I
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Consciousness
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Social_labour
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Law_of_value
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Division_of_labour

also, get the fuck off Zig Forums. it's a site run by a zionist boomer who routinely hands over your info to the feds.

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Brayden Walker
Brayden Walker

also, get the fuck off Zig Forums. it's a site run by a zionist boomer who routinely hands over your info to the feds.
Yeah I also think it would be best if we could relocate from here.

Liam Smith
Liam Smith

Do you really think you can escape the feds?

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Leo Young
Leo Young

Hmm I suppose you're right

Oliver Long
Oliver Long

trusting random servers running a wiki that, at best, is just duplicating efforts already made elsewhere
It's like you fuckers don't know what a honeypot is at all

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

<accuses Marxistpedia of being a honeypot
<uses Zig Forums, a site that has openly provided user data to law enforcement for years.
wat

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Jonathan Thompson
Jonathan Thompson

You criticize capitalism and yet you shop at the grocery strore, very strange

David Mitchell
David Mitchell

<using an imageboard is the same as needing to buy food.

Anyone who wants to engage in a productive project can contribute to Marxistpedia or post on www.leftist.site.

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Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

Goddamn, the article on Stalinism is cringe worthy

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

You can survive two months without food, and yet you post each day, curious

Hudson Martin
Hudson Martin

What did the guy say that Cockshott responded like that. Pretty based.

Zachary Phillips
Zachary Phillips

Here's the full context.

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Alexander Cruz
Alexander Cruz

So are we changing the FAQ?

Nicholas Fisher
Nicholas Fisher

Go ahead.

Nathan James
Nathan James

Genuine cancer. That was the only reply that could be given to someone so fractally wrong.

Grayson Bennett
Grayson Bennett

bump

Colton Butler
Colton Butler

It really doesn't matter what type of person administers marxistpedia. If it has the same kind of rules and volunteer-admin structure as Wikipedia it's going to fall prey to the same kind of factionalization and emergence of dedicated autists more interested in shilling a point of view than the truth.

Luis Sanchez
Luis Sanchez

What kind of administrative structure would you suggest?
Factionalisation and the emergence of dedicated autists aren't inherently a bad thing, I'd propose. The oppositions between them can result in more good writing activity.
What we need to do is prevent that such oppositions become destructive. This means we should formalise these factions so that we can get a hold on them, and implement standardised procedures to manage disputes.
For the moment this is just larping though. We mainly need more people writing on the site.

There's already some good stuff being done:
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure

Cooper Cooper
Cooper Cooper

Honest question, why this instead of the marxists.org encyclopedia? It already has a bunch of articles and there's real traffic going to the site. Why start from scratch when we could have this foundation to start on?

Anthony Cook
Anthony Cook

I would say marxists.org encyclopedia is clunky and unwelcoming. The site itself is great though.

Camden Ward
Camden Ward

We could start copying those entries to the Wiki. Both the Marxists.org encyclopedia and Marxistpedia are protected under Creative Commons.
I'll make a template for proper attribution of copied text.

Julian Brooks
Julian Brooks

(me)
I copied an article: marxistpedia.org/wiki/Atheism
Here's the template I created: marxistpedia.org/wiki/Template:MIAE

Dominic Allen
Dominic Allen

Nice work

Isaac Brown
Isaac Brown

sexy template lad

Aaron Young
Aaron Young

marxistpedia.org/wiki/Class

Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

anti-communist liberal propaganda is reasonable

kek

Logan Thompson
Logan Thompson

www.leftist.site.
Literally kill yourself, shill

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

This is really good work.

Thomas Stewart
Thomas Stewart

If anyone is wondering what articles is most in need of creation see this:
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Special:WantedPages

Nice one

Elijah Turner
Elijah Turner

marxistpedia.org/wiki/Special:WantedPages
Very useful. You can just go to marxists.org/encyclopedia/ and adapt an entry you like.

Also check
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Special:ShortPages
for articles to improve.

Connor Green
Connor Green

thanks

A word about Marxists.org:
Marxists.org is a great site to obtain free texts written by/about Marxists. Unfortunately, some of their glossary entries and encyclopedia articles are poorly sourced and oversimplified. Take for example the glossary page for Class. The definition provided by Marxists.org has always been, in my opinion, a conflation of two separate things - the material means of production and the social relations. Marx talks about men forming social relations with other men. Nowhere have I seen Marx speak of men having a "relationship" with the means of production. As far as I can tell, this definition is derived from a statement by Lenin but due to lack of citations it's impossible to be certain. It's also possible that this definition of class comes from someone like Kautsky and was later adopted by Lenin, but I have no proof of this.

The problem is this: within Marxist thought there are a number of interpretations and meta-narratives that have been constructed since Marx's death that often simplify, obscure, or even contradict one another. Over time, these concepts enter Marxist thought and, due lack of criticism, become part of Marxist "orthodoxy". Example: Lenin's use of the words "socialism" and "communism" to define the lower and higher phases of communist society. Today, this is common use but has no basis in Marx. These distinctions would later lose all meaning under Stalin when he claimed in 1934 that "socialism" had been built in the USSR. The difference between Marx and Lenin was semantic, but the difference between Marx and Stalin pertained to the very substance of the categories themselves. Of course, this is a common leftcom perspective but usually not the view taken by Trotskyists. And Marxist-Leninists ignore this problem entirely.

Even the Marxist concept of value is itself a subject of disagreement. People like Michael Heinrich and David Harvey have written that Marx's value theory was not the same as what we typically call the labor theory of value. But the concept of value (like class) is absolutely fundamental to any understanding of Marxist thought. So we need to resist the tendency to simplify Marxist ideas in order to establish meta-narratives or adhere to "orthodoxy". Any idea of "orthodox" Marxism is going to rely on interpretation and constructed narratives. Which is why I urge caution when copying pages from Marxists.org or any other site. Like Richard Wolff says, it's better to speak of Marxisms than Marxism.

Jayden Davis
Jayden Davis

Unfortunately, some of their glossary entries and encyclopedia articles are poorly sourced and oversimplified.
Very much agree with this. I'm still in favour of copying most of them as a basis to expand upon. But we need to be selective and critical, both while first adapting them and when editing them later on.

An example of an entry that I don't think is relevant is that on "slave society." Don't get me wrong, it's a good hot take on Marxist historiography. It doesn't give a good overview of Marxist theory, however, and therefore doesn't fit the goals of the Wiki.

I've also noticed some bad grammatical errors on Marxists.org.

This was also me btw:

Zachary Long
Zachary Long

Good post

Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

I posted about this earlier but one thing I like about Marxism(s) is that you can explore these various tendencies and debates within – and that can be endlessly fascinating. Like we need to avoid the tendency to go "okay here's the doctrine" like it's some guidebook on how to live your life or something. So I can see it worthwhile contributing to a wiki that can explore different topics and being like "okay here are different theories from within the Marxist tradition on X" or whatever.

And maybe I'll contribute to it as I read more Marxism(s) – kind of like as I go along.

Thomas Barnes
Thomas Barnes

Thread needs another bump.

Lucas Perez
Lucas Perez

Some bot has been spamming for the past two days marxistpedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges

Dylan Cruz
Dylan Cruz

Bots have been spamming new user accounts ever since the Wiki was created. It's horrible.
Does anyone know any solutions to this?

Christopher Foster
Christopher Foster

Has email verification been set up?

Luis Gonzalez
Luis Gonzalez

It hasn't. I've messaged the admin about this. We'll see what we can do.

Hudson Gray
Hudson Gray

I created an account and changed my theme and it totally broke the site for me. Just a blank page with "internal error." RIP.

Cooper Walker
Cooper Walker

The site in general seems to have problems right now. It took very long for me to load. I guess we have to wait it out.

David Bailey
David Bailey

I'm not sure but I think the different themes / skins can cause problems. Can you change it back to default?
it was slow earlier but it's working OK for me now.

Aiden Adams
Aiden Adams

I'm not sure but I think the different themes / skins can cause problems. Can you change it back to default?
Nope. Will have to create a new account I think.

Logan Gutierrez
Logan Gutierrez

Try it again, it should be fixed now.

Benjamin Edwards
Benjamin Edwards

That political corectness article is cringe, somebody should edit it
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

Josiah Watson
Josiah Watson

who's the nerd using MRN as a source LMAO

Daniel Price
Daniel Price

I edited it. Is it fixed now?

Aiden Campbell
Aiden Campbell

It is. Thanks!

Josiah Cox
Josiah Cox

I think once the site grows and gets a larger user base, using on-site polls could be a good way to determine new mods/policies/resolve disagreements etc.

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

Has anyone written an article on Lend Lease?
If not this link has a relatively well written
compilation on the myths and truths of the matter. nationstates.net/nation=united_states_of_stalinia/detail=factbook/id=921020

Also this site has a lot of information on the USSR and WW-2 and Russia so for marxistpedia russian-seakers could do well by using translated content from here.
ruxpert.ru/Великая_Отечественная_война

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John Campbell
John Campbell

It's mostly incomplete, and also I doubt that advising what sort of arguments are effective may not really fit with an encyclopedic format like this.

Henry Peterson
Henry Peterson

My idea was that we can have different standards for different kids of topics. It wouldn't be alright to give advice on what kinds of arguments to use in an article about Marxist value theory, but when dealing with something like political correctness it should be fine, no? Political correctness is a topic that's strongly tied to contemporary popular political discourse, it makes sense to allow a more popular take on it, rather than a sterile encyclopedic take.

I've written down some basic thoughts on this on my user page: marxistpedia.org/wiki/User:CyberSynGANG#To_carry_out_original_discourse. We should definitely have more of a conversation on this though. The admin seems to have originally imagined this wiki to be purely about specialist topics in Marxism, but I worry that limiting its purpose to something so academic will forego a lot of potential we could get out of a Marxism wiki, attract less users, and make the project die an early death.

Basically, I'd like to turn this wiki into something that also fulfils the needs of a Conservapedia or RationalWiki, except leftist, not shit, and with a lot of pages that do uphold a high encyclopedic standard.

Any critiques of this vision would be very helpful.

Jayden White
Jayden White

still waiting for that faq edit

Christopher Sanders
Christopher Sanders

Very nice work on the Community Portal!

Jose Thomas
Jose Thomas

still waiting for that faq edit

What do you suggest?

Daniel Morris
Daniel Morris

I've edited the FAQ page now. Let me know if there's still anything wrong with it (outside of not being finished).

You can also just edit it yourself.

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

bump

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

I've wrote a bit about China from 1920s to 1950s and The German revolution of 1918. I will try to clean up any mistakes I might have made and source everything by the end of this week. The articles should be completed within this month since I want to run over few other books.

Does anyone know if it's allowed to post images directly from books? The book I found has great images of which territories were held by who in the Chinese civil war. I guess I could paint them over to avoid copyright issues. Shouldn't someone also merge the Maoist China and People's Republic of China into one page?

Here are the articles.
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Maoist_China
marxistpedia.org/wiki/German_revolution_of_1918

ALSO UNBAN ME YOU GREEDY MODS!

Carter Wright
Carter Wright

I would avoid just copy-pasting images out of books. Recreating them in a slightly different way seems like a better way to go.
Can you post them here? Maybe I can help out.

Joseph Miller
Joseph Miller

Nice work on those pages.

I don't know about that copyright issue exactly. It seemed like it might fall under 'fair use' but I'm not sure.

Ryder Clark
Ryder Clark

If it's an original map in the book then I have no idea. Depends on if the original images are copyrighted. The pics' sources might be listed. If the copyright is held by the governments then it's usually automatically in the public domain – just make sure to source everything.

Charles Hill
Charles Hill

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Christopher Hernandez
Christopher Hernandez

smh that Marxistpedia doesn't have the collected theories of the world's foremost communist revolutionary

Angel Jones
Angel Jones

Just an advice, if you write articles you can't use "didn't" or "couldn't", you have to write it out like "did not".

Robert Gutierrez
Robert Gutierrez

I'll give it another bump.

Samuel Anderson
Samuel Anderson

bump

Jason Davis
Jason Davis

Question: Should Marxistpedia allow people to write down personal hot takes if they're clearly identified as such? We could use the platform as an opportunity not only to document established leftist theory, but also develop new ideas in a more popular way than was possible before. I think there's a lot of unexplored potential in the Wiki model for things like this.
This would be a significant shift from the original intent of the wiki, however, so I don't know if it's really a good idea.

In practice it'd look something like pic related.

Any views on this?

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Ryan Carter
Ryan Carter

I don't think we need hot takes about left wing inceldom. But I guess a leftist version of rational wiki would be funny. So I don't know. Maybe? But we should use an other wiki

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Landon Morgan
Landon Morgan

Could users submit their own hot-takes as a collapsible post, with all user-submitted views added into a particular section at the bottom of an article?

It'd make adding your own view easier, and prevent users from fighting over edits.

Landon Flores
Landon Flores

not recruiting alienated young men to build a great revolution while simultaneously escaping their sexually impoverished state through involvement in leftist political organisation (which is very attractive to women)
I unironically think we should do it.
But I guess a leftist version of rational wiki would be funny. So I don't know. Maybe? But we should use an other wiki
I dunno. I kind of like the idea of genuine theory and leftist hot takes existing next to each other. We just have to clearly separate them.
Maybe we should use another wiki… But at the moment the admin seems pretty open to experimenting with different visions for the wiki.
We should definitely backup our work so we can reuse it if this wiki goes down.

Could users submit their own hot-takes as a collapsible post, with all user-submitted views added into a particular section at the bottom of an article?
I like the idea of making it collapsible. That way people who aren't interested can just ignore it. Very good call.
It'd make adding your own view easier, and prevent users from fighting over edits.
This is the most difficult problem here, I think. My problem with just giving every user their own space is that it gets rid of the dialectics.
It should be possible to create a single hot take section. Edit wars can be resolved by just allowing both takes to exist side by side as alternative possibilities.

Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

IMO allowing people to write articles on imageboards and incels (and possibly memes?) pretty much negates whatever standards we have for the wiki.

It would be more useful if contributors focus on writing well-researched articles that can hopefully explain Marxist ideas to a wider audience. These kind of articles require a lot of work, but they also have a great deal of value and the the time we spend writing them is gained later by being able to link someone to a wiki page rather than rehashing the same arguments / explanations 100x.

Brody Gonzalez
Brody Gonzalez

Pic is an attempt at doing a collapsible section.
pretty much negates whatever standards we have for the wiki
My idea is to allow it in very strictly designated areas. The collapsible element idea seems very strong to me. That way it remains very evident that serious textual analysis remains the principal purpose of the wiki. Anyone who wants their takes to be displayed prominently to people visiting the wiki will be forced to write better content.
It would be more useful if contributors focus on writing well-researched articles that can hopefully explain Marxist ideas to a wider audience.
While this is definitely more useful, I wonder whether it's possible to maintain a large userbase with such a strict statement of purpose. My fear is that it'll end up as wiki.hegel.net/. Allowing hot takes might invite a large number of users with little to no interest in creating properly sourced encyclopedic writing, but meanwhile we do have a lot of people working on the wiki, and some of those will get involved in writing more serious work.
the the time we spend writing them is gained later by being able to link someone to a wiki page rather than rehashing the same arguments / explanations 100x.
In order to achieve this it is necessary to allow some amount of original thinking. Marx and Engels were writing in very different times and contexts to our own, and their writings aren't always immediately relevant to the conversations that pop up again and again right now. If we want to argue effectively against modern liberal and reactionary rhetoric, we need to allow some space to rethink arguments, and demonstrate how Marxism can provide diverse solutions to the problems people experience today. A "hot takes" section helps with this.

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Lincoln Flores
Lincoln Flores

I like the idea in general, but that's for another wiki.

Joseph Thompson
Joseph Thompson

prevailing patriarchal norms

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Alexander James
Alexander James

Women have to be submissive and meek, men have to be assertive and dominating… This is what leads to tall men with strong jawlines being fetishized. Pretty much an indisputable fact.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

ideology is what determines sexual matching
Also we already live in a matriarchal world, pic related.

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James Ward
James Ward

Oh god the incels have shown up…
Please go to the general or back to Reddit.

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Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

I get a feeling this thread will be good.

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Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

We have a dedicated thread for incel related issues, please move there

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

no u

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Carter Robinson
Carter Robinson

she started it tho

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William Walker
William Walker

she started it tho
Don't be a fucking child. We have a general for this, they are allowed to discuss what may be posted on the wiki, which included whether to include incel-related content. You, on the other hand, are intending to spur incel discussion here - for which we have expressly segregated to a containment general. Go talk about the matter there.

Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

I really need some more feedback on the hot takes issue, because I want to be able to advertise this wiki else where and need to know what I can promise to people.

Currently my idea is to allow hot takes in a collapsible element as on marxistpedia.org/wiki/Incel. Does anyone see any potential issues this poses? It seems like a good solution to allow original research without it distracting from the core purpose of the site.

I'm also considering hosting my own wiki as an alternative in case this one goes down, or turns out to not be what I'm looking for. Does anyone have advice on how to find a good webhosting service to do such a thing?

Parker King
Parker King

This looks really out of place and dumb/offtopic compared to the rest of the site.

Cameron Jackson
Cameron Jackson

I get that. I'm not really asking about the article itself, although I do think internet shit like this is important to cover. People love learning about incels, and they're a good vehicle to teach about how social alienation is caused by capitalism and what not.
What I'm asking about is rather the idea of allowing original analysis on the site in this kind of format. Imagine someone writing out a novel take on surplus value in a hot takes section on the relevant page.

William Smith
William Smith

A couple articles like that and a little bit of reddit promotion and the site will be flooded with anarcho-liberals doing cultural critique of videogame titties. Is that what you want?

Carter White
Carter White

I honestly don't care. The way the capitalist culture industry sexualizes women isn't off-topic to the wiki. If you don't care about that stuff you just don't visit those pages.
This wiki being flooded with legitimate activity can only be a good thing.

Do you disagree? What kind of problems do you see it causing?

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

If you don't care about that stuff you just don't visit those pages.
I'm aware of that solution and I don't have a problem with an article about videogame titties by itself.
What kind of problems do you see it causing?
That sort of article becoming common will change the politicial composition of the people writing and editing articles. They will either directly interfere with the more serious stuff or making it harder to understand by referring to it in a nonsensical fashion. Or first make a whack reference to the serious stuff in their culture-critique stuff, then coming to half-realize that the reference doesn't fit and then editing the article they referred to for making it sort-of fit instead of editing their own stuff.

Cameron Ross
Cameron Ross

Meanwhile the larger user-base will be better able to correct those mistakes.

I agree with you to the extent that we need good Marxist moderation to make this stuff work. We can't allow the culture critique people to get in charge of the site at any point.

Chase Davis
Chase Davis

The absence of the admin of this site is starting to annoy me.

Charles James
Charles James

"Leftists may find engaging calculation problems worthwhile in their ideological and economic education, since it requires them to consider various modes of socialist calculation and discover how capitalist political economy is often grounded in idealist thinking."

Based take Cybersynngang.
How did you contact him? When I emailed him he responded in less than a day. I thought about making a Marxistpedia d1sc0rd, but I'm still not so sure about it. It doesn't seem much needed to me.

Mason Perry
Mason Perry

oy vey leftypol is a nazi board!

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Elijah Nelson
Elijah Nelson

be patient, comrade

Ryder Lopez
Ryder Lopez

i'm going to promote marxistpedia on reddit this week. the communist and socialist communities are pretty active.

Asher Campbell
Asher Campbell

I understand that the downside to capitalism is wealth disparity, but why choose communism or socialism as the solution? Why not just higher minimum wage and regulate executive compensation more?

Seems like a person has an infected hand and they want to cut it off instead of just take antibiotics

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Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

technological stagnation
environmental damage
increasing exploitation
dude, regulations, lmao!
I'm tired of this idealist bullshit.

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Robert Clark
Robert Clark

technological stagnation
pic related

environmental damage
in a socialist/communist society- environmental impact of factories has to be regulated

in a capitalist society- environmental impact of factories has to be regulated

increasing exploitation
how do you stop that? oh, you get people to stop it? how? oh, through regulation? wait what? laws can prevent exploitation? since when?

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Jace Powell
Jace Powell

what is the y axis measuring tho you brainlet

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

technological progress. don't ask me what factors they take into account to calculate it because I don't know but i'd assume it's technological power, size and efficiency of the technology, capacity of the technology, etc.

calculations per second per $1,000 is a good standard

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Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson

your post is off-topic. if you want an answer to this question post in the QTDDTOT thread or on the /marxism/ board. if you ask the question in those places i will definitely give you a thoughtful answer, but i don't want to clutter this thread.

Brody Moore
Brody Moore

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Isaiah Robinson
Isaiah Robinson

What is this trying to suggest that there wernt relays in the 20s or vacume tubes in the 40s or transistors in the 80s

William Garcia
William Garcia

what is it measuring
technological progress.
so like, they literally just drew a hockey stick curve for an abstract ideal and then put points and labels on it. you are a fucking moron my dude.

Blake Lee
Blake Lee

Which subreddits?

Hudson Collins
Hudson Collins

I've done a bit of wikipediaing and the amount of stuff that gets deleted is heartbreaking.

if you want to start an alternative wikipedia, don't call it "marxistpedia" ffs

Hunter White
Hunter White

99% of technological development today happens either, by the government directly, by nonprofits, or with government money.

Isaiah Lee
Isaiah Lee

I've done a bit of wikipediaing and the amount of stuff that gets deleted is heartbreaking.
What do you mean?
if you want to start an alternative wikipedia, don't call it "marxistpedia" ffs
It's a Marxist wiki, not an alternative to Wikipedia.

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

Are these the fuckers that call everyone incel?

Levi Perez
Levi Perez

This. It's not a good look.

Liam Roberts
Liam Roberts

i posted a link on r/leftcommunism and was insta-banned, lmao.

Levi Nguyen
Levi Nguyen

Should we contact the mods? Maybe they thought it was spam.

Josiah Young
Josiah Young

I think reddit automatically stops new accounts from posting or something

Anthony Ward
Anthony Ward

Why not just higher minimum wage and regulate executive compensation more?
Off topic post BUT here's the basic answer. That pic about the truck is taking the metaphor of the image literally. Higher minimum wage and regulation will not last for long, They tried it in the USA and while it was decent living (from FDR to Eisenhower and JFK. As soon as someone like Nixon and then Reagan came along, regulation got removed and prices were bumped up, while wages stagnated IN SPITE OF increased productivity

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Blake Ward
Blake Ward

leftcommunism

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Dominic Morales
Dominic Morales

I've made a page for the aims of this Wiki since I felt it was lacking. The "original discourse" section obviously contains policy that hasn't been settled yet. Let me know if it sounds reasonable or objectionable.
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Marxistpedia:Aims

Wyatt Davis
Wyatt Davis

This site has good potential but we need to cultivate it. A good example to follow would be Ruxpert wiki

Tyler Williams
Tyler Williams

Is the admin active? I'm still waiting for a response of him

Logan Bennett
Logan Bennett

The admin took a while responding to my request for embedded YouTube videos as well, but he eventually came through. Have patience.

Oliver Long
Oliver Long

my request for embedded YouTube videos
Let's also add Facebook like-buttons and allow hotlinking map pictures from cia.gov

Logan White
Logan White

What are you on about? The site should give soft introduction to basic Marxist concepts. YouTube contains a lot of underrated videos for that. We'd be idiots not to take advantage. Having them helps draw in people who are interested. There's a reason the capitalist propagandists from Investopedia do it.
If you're worried about Google tracking you or whatever, get an extension for that shit.

Jason Peterson
Jason Peterson

This thread 404ed, here's to reviving it

Landon Watson
Landon Watson

I'm working on an article on Ideology but it's going pretty slow since I have to learn all this stuff as I go along.
marxistpedia.org/wiki/Ideology
Tell me what you think.

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

I've split up the "path of argument" thing into separate pages for each concept. It's starting to look like a real wiki now.

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Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

Nice work. I'll get back to contributing to that wiki this week.

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Zachary Hall
Zachary Hall

Well I think admin may be gone, been waiting for a month and no response from him

Kayden Reyes
Kayden Reyes

I've been thinking of setting up another site. My main problem is knowing what to look out for in a hosting service.

Jaxon Foster
Jaxon Foster

Why was this article deleted:
Yes, there is actually a wide array of manner ins which permit gamers of Harry Potter Wizards Unite to cheat
I wanted to read that. Fucking Stalinists.
setting up another site
You should use the flag with the number in it.

Parker Smith
Parker Smith

Here's the text if you're really curious:
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Wizards Unite Hack
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"Learn more" refers to gympie.edu.asn.au/home/forums/users/aspiringgove73/

You should use the flag with the number in it.
If the mod has disappeared we need someone else to take over. I'm not splitting because of ideological differences.

Ian Ross
Ian Ross

what happened to marxistpedia?

Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell

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Noah Edwards
Noah Edwards

Did anything happen? The only thing I got from this thread is that admin isn't the most active person online. I used to be somewhat more active, but I don't have much time on my hands right now to write and research for the wiki.

Jose Watson
Jose Watson

Hostile takeover. Never trust the STEMlord.

Nicholas Russell
Nicholas Russell

Job for librarians. Too many reading books an too few making terror attacks.

Angel Ross
Angel Ross

omg its filled to the brim with anti communist shit. I'd rather delete all the texts and create a new one, everything there is terrible and anti socialist

Eli Campbell
Eli Campbell

Socioeconomic systems cannot possibly kill people - only people kill people.
I chuckled.

Joseph Foster
Joseph Foster

admin is back but leftypol autism managed to split our efforts into multiple wikis.

Juan Hughes
Juan Hughes

where is he back?

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

marxistpedia.org/wiki/I_Can_Dance_Every_Single_Night

???
lol

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

Three problems:
1. Continual spam without tools to deal with it.
2. No technical support from the admin.
3. Community policy that evolved to be inconsistent with the admin's original intentions.
Frustration with this had been growing since I started editing the site some months ago. Instead of continuing to negotiate these points I decided to create an alternative wiki: leftypedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
The idea is that you rewrite those texts or leave a disclaimer that you disagree with them (see Template:Slanted).
But yeah, you're right, the admin of this site is a liberal-leaning left-communist, and their ideology was official wiki policy before I cleaned the site up.
He deleted the message on the front page.

Sebastian Reed
Sebastian Reed

wtf

Ian Sanders
Ian Sanders

Bots are spamming pages. If admin doesn't stop them he's gonna have a million of fake pages

Nathaniel Carter
Nathaniel Carter

marxistpedia.org/wiki/Learn_Spanish_In_Free_Time
Spanish is talked generally in numerous nations notwithstanding Spain
Now that's what I call intellectual

Alexander Bailey
Alexander Bailey

i don't get it who is spamming all this shit, /pol/?, 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸them🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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Hunter Brown
Hunter Brown

if a marxist wiki really took off and fulfilled its potential, it would become a massive target of intel agencies. tbh since the FBI already posts here, they are probably watching the wiki right now. and could be behind the spam.

Gavin Foster
Gavin Foster

its bots advertising, people, have you never seen those blogs that get spammed with a million viagra comments?