/lfg/ - leftist film general

Everything of his from "Quemada!" to "Ugly American" to "Apocalypse Now" is about how fucked up and distorted capitalist society is.
Politics is a meaningless circus, and the rich are literally unable to spend themselves broke.
A private oligarch rules an authoritarian utopia where people listen to commercials instead of music and have absolutely no ability to either defend or assert themselves, and dissenters are either starved to death on the fringes of society or locked in an inescapable prison.
The Rise of Che

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Union organizer arrives at town to unite white and black workers against the bosses.

Class struggle on a train. The way you interpret the ending of the film shows whether you are a socdem or a communist.

Hilarious cold war era anti-communist propaganda piece from an exploitation film director turned devout Christian.

Anyone know any good films about the Spanish Civil War?

Pan’s labyrinth?

you're welcome

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Jesus, Wikipedia is cancer, can we shut it down now.

Cyberspace 1997

Cyberscape*

Anyone knows a good site to watch A Very British Coup?
The version uploaded to Youtube sucks ass

Torrent it you dummy.

You think WALL-E is a leftist film? Get the fuck outta here

Clearly, it's not exactly 'leftist', but it does push a good anti-corporate message

Explain.

Land and Freedom

Spoilers.
At the end of the movie the main porky gives a speech about the necessity of going on with their class system, because otherwise all will be lost and everybody will freeze to death when leaving the train. Hero doesn't give a shit, kills the fucker, stops the train, because he's seen how they teach their lies and propaganda for the kids on train, and also because death would be preferable to the barbaric society they live in. When they leave the train we see a polar bear, indicating that the environment is actually habitable for humans.

Socdems interpret it as "they committed suicide" instead of trying to reform the system on the train. The polar bear at the end signifies a hostile environment and a threat to them, while hope for life to real radicals.

again, spoilers
vulture.com/2014/07/snowpiecer-movie-discussion.html

Yeah it really does.

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how about some proof, fuckbag?

i'm not a comunist but thanks for the recommendations.

Keep lurking, newfren. Ask non-autistic questions and you shall receive cultured answers.

Robocop

It is a grotesque piece of ideology
the end of the movie is literally humans patting themselves on that back for coming back to earth to start planting trees again when they destroyed earth to begin with. Just leave it alone, die in your spaceship.

The story of people who are sacked from their previous jobs drink together, now unemployed. Has lots of commie jokes.

After having suffered a heart-attack, a 59-year-old carpenter must fight the bureaucratic forces of the system in order to receive Employment and Support Allowance. (British socialist realism.)

I guess A Bug's Life is left adjacent. It's about overthrowing exploiters (It's a seven samurai clone).

Snowpiercer isn't socdem vs communist. It's ML vs anarchist, with some third worldist flavor. The train is a metaphor for the state.

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Honestly tbh they still all die at the end because they don't have basic survival skills for that kind of environment.
Also lol how many people they kill by blowing-it-up rather than slowing down the train to get people off I mean tbh
Still, fucking great film: also shows how class movements are subverted.

If you are british it's on 4oD. If you are not, then maybe you can access 4oD with a VPN, I dunno. One issue is that there are ads.

The whole thing about not just slowing down the train like reasonable people is because when you make revolution you don't get to decide the circumstances and have to deal with what you've got. None of the ruling class would provide information on how to slow the train, and if they didn't do something the mob was about to get to them. There's no easy choice there, no clean solution.

I agree, that's why it is such a great film.

t. socdem

facts:
1. polar bears are edible
2. you can use the wrecked train as shelter, source of tools, weapons, plant foods, etc.
3. the existence of polar bears indicate meat source
4. eskimos are a thing

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Read Capitalist Realism

The best part of Snowpiercer IMO is the speech near the end about tail passengers dismembering themselves to feed each other. It's portrayed as heroic compared to literal baby-eating, but that's because people don't consider the wider context, that they can fight against their situation instead of just making the best of it. It's exactly the same shit as all the "uplifting" stuff you see online about how someone sold their house to pay for their kid's healthcare. It's a great metaphor too because this kind of approach literally hobbles Gilliam and the people's ability to fight the larger problem.

More importantly, polar bears are apex predators who would be among the first species to die off in an ecological collapse since they require a vibrant food chain to exist. The fact that polar bears hadn't gone extinct over a decade ago means that the story about the world being lifeless was total bullshit.
That and the tracks are well established as being durable and crossing many different installations that were quickly abandoned and therefore likely full of resources.
Not just that but a whole ecosystem that sustained not just life but megafauna for 18 years (and the temperature is supposedly continuing to rise making conditions more favorable).
Well eskimos have a number of cold-specific adaptations but yeah it's possible for humans to survive a frigid environment.

Why don't you keep this shit in /leftytrash/?

The issue is not the eating them part, it is hunting and killing them. Nobody on that train will skilled enough to properly make a flint spear, let alone something like an Atlatl (which was perhaps the first tool that allowed Homo Sapiens to hunt European megafauna).
Would be great for building a permanent settlement, but they aren't gonna be a permanent settlement: they need to be nomadic hunter-gatherers.

It's not that humans couldn't survive in that habitat, it's that these particular humans couldn't. Eskimos (and to a lesser extent Finno-uralic peoples) have been able to survive in such cold climes because they have been doing so since the ice-age. They have generations upon generations upon generations of skills and know-how that allows them to do so. Some random wankers who either lived their whole lives on the train or in an industrial society simply do not have that.

The movie is very metaphorical. You might be taking it too literally. Also, if there are polar bears there are almost certainly fish.

w-why are 'Ashes and Diamonds' and 'The Lives of Others' there?
The first one is literally about an anti-communist guerilla fighter going to kill a party member.

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t. socdem

Do you see what I'm getting at, comrade?

I have friends that have the same shit take as this miserable reformist:

Q.E.D.:
Snowpiercer

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The whole plan of "take control of the train" is marxism-leninism though. Derailing it is anarchy, smashing the state instead of seizing it because in order to use the state, to wield stat power, you have to reproduce the way the state functions.

t. brainlet that doesn't understand basic survivalism.

Like shit, you think you can hunt anything with a fucking Uzi? Are you dense?

Did you miss the part where the train's enforcers have a bunch of rifles?

Not the same guy, but can I just say this is why I hate stories that use nitty gritty "realistic" action as a metaphor for something else entirely. What you literally see is not what the message is and often doesn't make any sense on its own* ; to the point of promoting the opposite of what was intended:
"Revolution just leads to everyone freezing to death within a few hours!"

*the train scenario is of course fundamentally ridiculous

Maybe at the very beginning of the movie. As they travel train car by train car they learn more and more about how wicked and untrue the whole principle of reality the ruling class on the train projects onto all of its subjects (proletarians and bourgeois students alike). Our protagonist totally justified in believing by the end that the main porky (train conductor, or whatever) is lying, just as the bourgeois school teacher (also, propaganda minister) was lying to her students.

Nope, it is the very act of establishing a new, socialist order upon the ashes of the old society.

Except this is the EXACT option that was thrown away by our protagonist, in favor of a better society.

TL;DR: SNOWPIERCER is an important movie to show to your friends, because depending on their reactions, you can determine whether they are real radicals or socdems.

Despite the fact that it appears the ARs the guards have are out of ammo this is shown to be a ruse later in the film, but only uzis are shown there; you still can't use an AR as a hunting rifle. The whole point of a hunting rifle, and why bolt-actions are still dominant, is that you need power and range. The reason modern warfare equipment shifted from bolt-actions to submachine guns was that it was realised in 20th century warfare that rounds-per-minute was far more important than either of them: so firearms adapted. Still, you can't really hunt with an AR, let alone an uzi. And even then, you need large things you can hunt: a hunter-gatherer society cannot survive hunting apex predators you mostly go after smaller reliable prey (like rabbits), something with a large renewable source (like fish) or periodical larger prey (deer et al). To hunt things like that, you need skills: skills the party of survivors does not have.

No Patrick, you cannot hunt Polar Bears with a fucking Uzi.

t. autist

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Children of Men.

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my gott and so on, but also, sniff
youtube.com/watch?v=pbgrwNP_gYE

Honestly I sometimes wonder if that is where this country is headed.

And on the theme of British Dystopias.

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It's shit there is nothing leftist about

The emergent crises of impotence in Children of Men is not to be taken literally (muh soy boys being unable to reproduce) but as a metaphor for our society being unable to give birth to a new, better order.

HURR

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No I mean the authoritarian british state built on xenophobia.

but it is also about anuddah shoah let's be honest

It's mostly environmentalist in the origin of the thing though. And the whole thing about plagues following the fertility crisis. Also the fact that the whole couple that instigate the plot are former environmentalist activists.

You: trash. Flag: related.

>fertility crisis

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ok americuck

It's science fiction you dolt.

Have you shot one before? Or even UZIs?
They do fine.

thanks, i'm a rather moderate person, politically speaking but it's interesting to analyze the "other side", as they call it.
not only am i trying to challenge my own views, i educate myself on the stances of other people.

Repost this on Zig Forums then link the thread, I wanna see them shit on you.

holy shit, i remember watching this!
it's such a good movie.

This is dumb. AR's are absolutely perfect for most mid-size game and are probably already the most common hunting rifle in the US at this point.
How about YOU take this to Zig Forums and ask them if an AR makes a good hunting rifle. I'll lay money down that you'll get laughed out of the thread.

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The train is the state. Throwing it away is smashing the state as opposed to the ML strategy of seizing state power. Realizing that a revolution taking control would just morph back into the same thing (what happens with ML revolutions IRL), he took the anarchist option.
There is no order established by derailing the train. The whole point is that at the end the existing order isn't seized or reformed but destroyed completely so it can be rebuilt from the bottom up. That's anarchy. Marx wanted to seize control of the state. Lenin and the Bolsheviks actually did it. They didn't destroy the state as an institution. They kept it going. Now look where Russia is today.

It's allegory you dip.

V for Vendetta the comic is good. V for Vendetta the movie is libs whining about George Bush, complete with 9/11 was an inside job paranoia.

Not really, it focuses on how Fascism is really created by an elite seeking to create power and stability for themselves rather than being "Muh working class bigots">

retarded

retarded

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B-but muh Proudhon!

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LITERAL TRUTH
everything else:
LITERAL LIES

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You have watch the film you fucking mong, right?

"The elderly British employees of the Permanent Assurance Company, a staid London firm which has recently been taken over by the Very Big Corporation of America, rebel against their much younger corporate masters when one of them is sacked."
Just remembered this short. Classic Monty Python and a must-watch, even if the themes are only indirectly leftist.

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Somewhat off-topic, but I just finished watching this and I had no idea I could get so mad at a filmmaker.
Fuck Spike Lee. Fuck everybody on this project. This shit might as well be white supremacist propaganda for how much it white washes America's history to make it seem like white supremacy is just some dumb bigots and not woven into the fabric of the country.

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I guess he really was… the Black KKKlansman after all

I actually found it to be insufferably liberal. The Fishes are presented as being equally as bad as the government that puts people in concentration camps by the millions, just because they are willing to actually fight back instead of relying on some deus ex machina organization that may or may not exist.

The most communist movie is Burn! (1969)

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I didn't make the list, but I think The Lives of Others is an important movie showing the flaws of extreme ☭TANKIE☭ism.

Nice try but no, we would have to discard everything on that list in that case.

they know.
boards.4channel.org/tv/thread/114809433

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even Godfather?

Their most acclaimed movie; Pinocchio, is a story about how a good young aryan gets perverted by jews in the city.

It's socdem pacifist rubbish:

revolutionarycommunist.org/culture/4538-wa071216

That… it's almost definitely not what happened in the film.

*Ahem*

youtube.com/watch?v=MKGCymtaiMk

It's about how anarchists preferred their idea of an utopia (404) rather than daring to actually address real conditions, portrayed as some kind of moral superiority over the Bolsheviks.

I mean 40 hours a week is too much, but productive labor gives people a sense of purpose. without that men especially are more prone to depression and anti social behaviours

That movie was awful. And not for ideological reasons, it was just unwatchably boring.

should leftypol have it's own movie night?
stream leftist films and watch them while chatting

I think Adrono called Walt Disney the most dangerous man in america once.

Yeah, Quemada! undeniably kicked ass.

your dinner will look more like bear sponge than bear meat