The incel issue in late stage capitalism

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

Greetings and salutations comrades,

In this thread we can talk about the incel problem in late stage capitalism. While a highly controversial and sensationalistic topic, it would be a topic that requires dialogue considering a sizable and active community of incels. While Elliot Rodger would be a rather extreme example of incel his manifesto indicates quite common challenges among the incel community. It would appear that many males had experienced long term incelhood, if the blogs and forums over the years are anything to go by.

Prior to GenX and GenY the baby boomers had enjoyed high wages, unionisation and even home ownership at a very young age. When the baby boomers had birthed the GenX and GenY (permitting some from the Silent Generation birthing them too) they had imparted certain expectations to their daughters. Those expectations were job, car and house by 23 otherwise they should reject the male if they dont meet those prerequisites. The boomers got theirs sort to speak in their day and yet after the late 1970's and mid 1980's unions were undermined, wages stagnated and offshoring began. By the late 1990's and mid 2000's there was housing bubble and eventually the said financial crisis.

Millennials entering the workforce had faced the dreaded 5 billion years experience folding envelopes or pushing a wheelbarrow, of course when companies could not "find qualified and skilled workers" they tasked the government to legislate a visa program. In turn Millennials were suggested to "volunteer" for experience which was something out of Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Once Millennials entered the workforce they dealt with stagnant wages and high cost of living. Despite that the Millennials males did not quite secure a job, car and house by 23, which the bourgie media slandered them for it for years blaming it on avocado toast. It would seem that despite that Millennial women being in the workforce for years have not secured the trifecta either meantime having the niceties of elder Boomer and GenX women (maybe bourgies) telling Millennial men to "grow up and man up", and yet in accordance with their boomer parents expect those from the males.

For years since at least 2008 the establishment of the manosphere and MGTOW and its culmination during the gamergate years had banded many men from many walks of life experiencing the same isolation and depravity of even the most basic female affection. The manosphere and MGTOW as a collective had figured that they were merely placed as an insurance policy (metaphorically speaking) once the female enjoys a partying, drinking, wining, dining and dating males that have the job, car and house (at least 2/3 of them). The insurance policy was that she would not be able to be as visually appealing so she would settle for an incel (or manchild) who has been waiting for her for 10+ years to notice him. The good old "I'll let him chase me until I let him catch me" as advised to them by the elder females not to mention being entangled in divorce court if she has got "bored" and if it lasts the dead bedroom (sex like once or twice a year, if that)

Now, more than ever males have opted out of being a drone or cattle for the "roastie" and "thot" as the manosphere and MGTOW gained validity serving as a warning to males in general. Females that had the "time of their life" has become entrenched with the demands, expectations and shaming. Even the bourgie media had been on the side of the females when they were clearly wrong from Oprah and Dr Phil to the morning news shows now its even bloggers (the whiteknights. simps and manginas according to the manosphere and MGTOW). Real estate agents and retailers had tried the shaming tactics too as Millennials were not spending into those sectors and now they push their advertising to boomers speculating that they would repeat they same spending style of the 60's, 70s and 80s.

What do you think?

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Josiah Long
Josiah Long

The solution to the loneliness problem is state sponsored resoiclaization.

John Morris
John Morris

slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/

Aiden Jones
Aiden Jones

Just let me burn in revolutionary fire. It's okay.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

That passage was written in such a weird format I don’t know if the author is even human?

Gabriel Perez
Gabriel Perez

But maybe a history of getting to hear that message from all different people – friends, family, doctors, social workers, TV, church, whatever – all through his life – gave him enough mental fortitude to go back to his horrible jobs and keep working away in the hopes that things would get better. Instead of killing himself or turning to a life of crime or joining the latest kill-the-rich demagogue movement or whatever.

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Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

it could be a mental disorder, maybe on the autism spectrum.

Lucas Jenkins
Lucas Jenkins

Lame. Not a real political issue. Legalize prostitution if you’re serious, otherwise the incel problem is the result of men being abused until they lose their minds. Men are treated as expendable in this culture - that includes psychologically, even though treating anyone as psychologically expendable is retarded quasirationalistic gambling. Building a more inclusive and ethically reciprocating society is the hard approach because women scream and sometimes literally throw stuff if their biases are so much as admitted to exist, so my recommendation is don’t bother. Just build brothels. Easier, does the same thing over the long term, and helps disseminate real sexual knowledge and experience into the most clueless populations.

Austin Young
Austin Young

Definitely a human, but I suspect he might be abusive of others. Not a moral authority.

Thomas Rodriguez
Thomas Rodriguez

from what i can tell, incels are too serious and suffer from lack of socialization. fix that and they can charm pretty much any woman. i'm uglier than elliot rodger, if i can have relationships so can he.

Legalize prostitution if you’re serious
fuck off neoliberal

Aiden Brown
Aiden Brown

this is very well reasoned and appears right on the money.

Luke Reyes
Luke Reyes

incels, as an online ideology, believe that their situation is the result of inequality in the "sexual market place", even though sexual relationships have little to do with market relations and if we were to discuss surplus enjoyment we'd get caught up in a web of tesselating stupidity. No, the hard numbers show that while women desire men less than men desire women, the outcomes for sex and relationships are roughly equal between the genders. The real issue is that the total level of sex and relationships is going down, and that men experience loneliness especially through a lack of such relationships, while women don't feel lonely so long as they maintain relations with friends. This fundamental aspect of psychology combined with our atomized society is the problem, not chad and stacy, who are ideological fictions which serve

Jayden Gutierrez
Jayden Gutierrez

even though sexual relationships have little to do with market relations

READ THE FUCKING ENGELS BOOK YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

Julian Lopez
Julian Lopez

a bit poorly worded, I simply meant that markets are a poor metaphor for sexual relations. sexual relations obviously have a big impact on markets and the division of labor.

Liam Cox
Liam Cox

A struggle session down in the countryside is the solution.
Reeducation through manual labour for the NEETS.

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Ryan Peterson
Ryan Peterson

Stacy says stfu and accept your increasingly bitter and loveless lives, you losers.

short of major physical handicap or some such, there is basically no such thing as a female incel. women living without sex or relationships are choosing to.

i got rich, so everyone can be rich. Just work harder and start a business you lazy proles!

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Thomas Robinson
Thomas Robinson

Just be yourself while getting a haircut while taking a shower.

Leo Evans
Leo Evans

Imagine if you sent 100 men and 100 women to a tropical island to start a new society. Instead of having 100 couples forming where everyone gets a mate, 100 of the women decide to share 20 men while calling the remaining 80 men subhumans who need to kill themselves. How long do you suppose this situation would be tenable?

Tick tock.

Samuel Flores
Samuel Flores

(carbon copy right wing screed)
Such a response would be so antisocial and unjust that it could only possibly come from the social justice movement.
scott alexander is dumb as fuck, I don't care how many degrees he has

Cooper Robinson
Cooper Robinson

I hope that doesnt involve forcing "roasties" and "thots" onto incels, it would be an abreaction in the least. I would be interested to know what you mean by resocialisation.
Very refreshing, I even remember the "TM's" in forums and comment sections now.
Legalising brothels
Literally a bad place to get off, I am sure you would be "proud" that your daughter can be a bar girl like a Bangkok bar girl prostitute.
because women scream and sometimes literally throw stuff if their biases are so much as admitted to exist, so my recommendation is don’t bother
Your mother cant hurt you here.
the outcomes for sex and relationships are roughly equal between the genders
The real issue is that the total level of sex and relationships is going down
I refer to my original post as many Millennial males have not met the job, car & house demands by 23 as the Millennial (and GenX women) were instilled by their boomer parents. They could have been fine personality wise then again - mummy and daddy said…
While not replying to me, I might.
unironically gulaging incels
I didnt know incels were Chinese feudal landlords that had hoarded land for centuries I suppose their middle name is Huang too then.
Wow, that is bad from AOC. Then again boomer parents say she is a good girl, "damn millennial males got to grow and and man up, I got mine!". I am glad I banged my ex who was a petit bourgie.
A show callled love island (if I remember that name right) proved otherwise it was just 2-3 females going after the more say popular guy. So its not as skewed as that. It is suspicious that many males have been sidelined without even a relationship until the female finishes her "partying".

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

There's no such thing as a male incel either.
Download Grindr. You'll get laid by the end of the week.
You're just picky.

Evan Flores
Evan Flores

sexual orientation is just a choice

Let's play our favorite game:
Who Said It: A feminist, or the religious right?

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

You can't choose who you fall in love with or who you are attracted to, but you can stick your dick in literally anything.
The argument for there not being any female incels implies that ugly women could still get laid if they lowered their standards (aka had sex with someone they are not attracted to). But there's no reason you can't apply that back to men. Lower your standards to other men, you can get laid.

William Rodriguez
William Rodriguez

Then I'll fuck a cat.

Noah Flores
Noah Flores

false equivalence. the argument for there not being female incels does not require them to go against their sexual orientation to escape their supposed incel-dom. Yours does.

I refer back to the prior post. "Who you're attracted to" changes with all sorts of social and economic circumstances, job, wealth, hair cut, clothes, etc. Orientation doesn't. Or does it. You tell me.

Jose Howard
Jose Howard

Lack of attraction is lack of attraction, regardless of what precisely is unappealing. Whether preferences can change or not is irrelevant, because you can't consciously change them or control them in any way. If a woman is not attracted to (for example) fat men she can't just WILL herself into being attracted to fat men to widen her pool of potential partners.
It's not like this isn't a thing that is happening - men are increasingly going "prison gay" to escape inceldom. And that sucks, but it's a legitimate option. It is entirely possible to settle for someone you aren't attracted to, even going as far as to settle for someone outside your orientation.
Therefore, incels don't exist.

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

Incels have always existed and always will exist just like retards and other degenerates. The difference is that capitalism produces more of them due to their existence being a necessary byproduct of actually decent human beings. If anything incels(including myself) should be restricted from frsternizing with the rest of society under socialism to accelerate the ratecod human development. Are innate failure allows for the innate success of everyone else but if you give us equity with the good people it will just fuck everything up

Samuel Johnson
Samuel Johnson

Incels are victims of the spectacle, expectations has made it impossible to do anything but simulate a relationship that quickly breaks down under the impression of impossible standard. Due to the demand of quick sex, any woman can have that dream- for a night, consequences be damned.

You compound this with alienation from anything fulfilling and you get Kaczynski's power vacuum, where the only thing young men can do is plot murder until its worth it.

I myself, I guess, count as an incel. My appearance is above average but my personality is so terrible and wracked with mental illness that I sabotage any attempt at human contact and can't trust people to be physically near me, which I technically can't really change without basically warping my personality and experiencing an ego death.

While I think the personality thing is bullshit and it's mostly looks, what happens if you DO have a bad personality? Is that really something that's transmutable or do you just deserve it all of a sudden for being a sperg?

This is the consequence of a competitive society that tries to justify its own brutality. It is the society of the spectacle combined with a market, where sexual experiences are an artificial need or surrogate activity to distract oneself from the terrible isolation and because love is such a common feeling, it's in every fucking stupid story and advertisement, making it seem that much more important and pure to the ensnared.

It's not like this isn't a thing that is happening - men are increasingly going "prison gay"
I question a lot if the rising transgender numbers are from the feminine having more advertising power.

Logan Smith
Logan Smith

I question a lot if the rising transgender numbers are from the feminine having more advertising power.
Possible. Some AGP-types definitely include the desire to be desired as part of the reason for their transitioning.

Adrian Fisher
Adrian Fisher

It's almost like a brutal market response. I can imagine very clearly a scenario where people transition for the desirable power and to fill the vacuum and make a sort of social profit in the form of attention. Such is the world now, with international communication and a slowly declining view of gender.

I hypothesize that at some point the transition should be so effective and possibly easy that it becomes fashion statement, as if we're in Neuromancer.

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

Get your fucking minds out the gutter. Who honestly gives a fuck whether you have sex or not?

What do you faggots who identify as incels honestly think you're going to find inside a woman's slime hole? The meaning of life?

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Tyler Evans
Tyler Evans

You misunderstand it. It's a fundamental human need to be desired and loved by someone. The idea of sex actually makes me want to vomit and curl up, but even something as simple as hearing 'I love you' sincerely through headphones improves my quality of life. You either have no empathy or no perspective.

Aiden King
Aiden King

Lack of attraction is lack of attraction
disagree on premise. sexual orientation is not the same as thinking someone is too ugly, too fat or too poor for my liking.
Whether preferences can change or not is irrelevant
disagree on premise. If they can (and do) change then they are more appropriately called a choice that people have some control over.

Jacob Sanders
Jacob Sanders

I am fairly certain a lot of men who are incels are also friendless with guys as well.

The common sense approach of social networking is hard for anyone not neurotypical in an environment like the neoliberal hell. Too much time working to form any meaningful relationships, I can't even comprehend how relationships even can occur among a majority in the US still with how things are. Than again I don't have the proper psychology for this system and don't see much incentive to force myself to conform to it. Sex alone is not interesting to me, I want connection. And that is hard to get in the alienation that goes on in atomizing neoliberal hell worlds.

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

, but even something as simple as hearing 'I love you' sincerely through headphones improves my quality of life.
So go to the mirror and tell you that you love you. You're set for all your days friendo. Now give me money.
You either have no empathy or no perspective.
And you watch too much Hollywood and anime brody. Probably take music too serious as well.

Robert White
Robert White

I find myself agreeing with this on the level courtship is a fundamentally broken system and too reliant on inequality to work. Issue being few have interest in trying some gender neutral courtship approaches.

Isaac Hill
Isaac Hill

sexual orientation is not the same as thinking someone is too ugly, too fat or too poor for my liking.
Why not? Sexual orientation is just thinking someone is too male or too female for your liking.
If they can (and do) change then they are more appropriately called a choice that people have some control over.
Not everything that changes in our lives is a choice or something we can control.

Camden Parker
Camden Parker

Unfortunately I'm not retarded like you, so I can distinguish that it's my reflection and not someone else. Isolation from both love and friendship, and love is a deeper friendship, is a harrowing experience and the only reason you're being a snide nigger is because you're not under threat of that happening, or you genuinely do not care about communicating with other people or being loved, which I suppose would make you mentally ill but I see it as a good adaptation, the majority isn't like this though.

Kayden Thomas
Kayden Thomas

The socially connected I find often do not comprehend genuine structural, physical loneliness.

Josiah Ward
Josiah Ward

suppose would make you mentally ill
Jesus christ faggot! Look at this block of nonsensical commas, missing commas, and comma splices and tell me who is the mentally I'll faggot off his meds:

Unfortunately I'm not retarded like you, so I can distinguish that it's my reflection and not someone else. Isolation from both love and friendship, and love is a deeper friendship, is a harrowing experience and the only reason you're being a snide nigger is because you're not under threat of that happening, or you genuinely do not care about communicating with other people or being loved, which I suppose would make you mentally ill but I see it as a good adaptation, the majority isn't like this though.

snide nigger
Also what's with the racism you pathetic faggot?

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

You should both kill yourselves. And not in the meme sense. Like do it for really real.

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

You first. You are no more deserving of life.

Cameron Perez
Cameron Perez

Interestingly he mentions the wife beater. I would argue that those women have daddy issues (bad relationship with father) and in a twisted kind of way the wife beater is quite "loving". Chances are that their daddy beat them too.
I disagree. There had been many males from different walks of life that just were not in a relationship. Stagnant wages, housing bubble and high cost of living didnt do much justice for the job, car and house by 23 as it was done by the boomers. To force a change of sexual orientation would be akin to the "gay cure" administered by controversial psychiatrists. Incels are just not attractive now, once their female acquaintances approach the late twenties or early thirties their phones (or other device) would receive a random call from "her" suddenly. I doubt that they would take a "roastie" or "thot" for a wife and a dead bedroom if not divorce.
Getting along with someone with chemistry goes a long way. The mistake I had made was that women could not be bad characters, and I was at some stage believed that appearance was an indication of character, it was not. Rather generic to your specific circumstance, its something. I am glad for my gf, before that it was quite hard.
something as simple as hearing 'I love you' sincerely through headphones improves my quality of life. You either have no empathy or no perspective.
This. We are going to make it bro. Dont make a scrag or bimbo your gf, fuck them if you can but just hold the romance and relationship. Their dad and/or other older male family figure abused them, beat and them molested them. If you come romancy-like they dont fucking get it, its an X-File. With a more "clingy" girl they understand and undestand rather well.

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

sexual orientation is not the same as thinking someone is too ugly, too fat or too poor for my liking.
Why not? Sexual orientation is just thinking someone is too male or too female for your liking.

Is it really though? Those three judgments are superficial and can change with further thought about yourself and society, or by "getting to know" the person on a less superficial basis. This generally does not happen with "too male or too female".

If you're saying sexual orientation is the same, then you are endorsing the validity of things like gay conversion therapy. So just lay it out, are you or aren't you. Back to the Who Said It game.

Christian Lopez
Christian Lopez

Il let you in on a secret, the reason you are so lonely is because you're an insufferable faggot and you shit up every space you occupy just as you're shutting up this board.

Do the world a favor and end yourself.

Joshua Edwards
Joshua Edwards

You first.

Luis Collins
Luis Collins

Did you get paid yet?

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

Laid* lol

Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

Am I an incel if my otherworldly social awkwardness is what has kept me from getting laid?

Honestly I don't really even want sex just the opportunity to have it really.

Jeremiah Bennett
Jeremiah Bennett

You're not because Incel isn't even a thing wtf.

Carter Edwards
Carter Edwards

Incel isn't even a thing wtf
t. Tony Robbins

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Nicholas Stewart
Nicholas Stewart

Why dont all you incel virgins just become nuns or something?

Liam Gonzalez
Liam Gonzalez

I'm sorry for my hate crimes against your protected class.

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

implying my class
I have a gf so your argument is invalid. I recognise the hardship of the incels. You kick them while they are down. Clearly a prot.

Carter Sanders
Carter Sanders

Getting along with someone with chemistry goes a long way.

I'm in a pretty narrow camp of people I'd get along with, I appreciate the encouragement but it's not really a question of whether I will find love, society as a whole is more important IMO.

The fact is media, reflections upon reflections, are screwing up everyone's sense of communication and making it impossible to be friendly or have genuine connections. Everything is a copy of a movie, we act in ways that we have observed that are entirely artificial and this damning global autism is alienating us from everything. If you want to understand the incel, all you must do is turn to Guy Debord.

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

So we've narrowed it down: you faggots dont want to stop being faggots but you cant accept being a faggot either, yet you dont want to kys.

So that just leaves using our magic wand to change the world to more please our princess's tastes and preferences? Is this what incels are working birthing and moaning towards?

Matthew Sanders
Matthew Sanders

I have a gf so your argument is invalid. I recognise the hardship of the incels. You kick them while they are down. Clearly a prot.

Let them fuck your gif then bruh, problem solved.

Mason Hall
Mason Hall

As if you are deserving of life.

Mason Davis
Mason Davis

then wtf is this thread even about smart guy

Hunter Bell
Hunter Bell

More than you incel faggots. Be honest bro, you dont even like you do you? Dont worry you'll end it soon enough.
As if you are deserving of life.
And no I wont be there if and when you go full elliot Rodgers edgy faggot.

Daniel Martin
Daniel Martin

The media pushes materialistic narrative at times. Alternative media does advocate love and happiness between people like Spirit Science for instance.

implying fun
Never. Does not solve any problem and its quite wrong like yourself.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

Go back to sleep hun

Zachary Baker
Zachary Baker

then wtf is this thread even about smart guy
People using displacement to avoid confronting their own shortcomings.

Landon Foster
Landon Foster

You first.

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

Well I am a bit sleepy so I might.

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

. Their dad and/or other older male family figure abused them, beat and them molested them.
Ironically you faggots were not beat enough.

Jonathan Ross
Jonathan Ross

implying fun

Never. Does not solve any problem and its quite wrong like yourself.

What's wrong with fun?

Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

Confront these nuts motherfucker

Jackson Lee
Jackson Lee

What nuts you castrated faggot?

Liam Butler
Liam Butler

Those three judgments are superficial and can change with further thought about yourself and society, or by "getting to know" the person on a less superficial basis.
That's definitely not how it works.
Preferences change, but not in ways we can control. Often relationships fall apart because someone's preferences changed and they no longer found their partner attractive, even though their partner is the same as ever. And people can try to go to couple's therapy, but attraction isn't something you can force into someone through therapy. They just learn to settle.

And oftentimes our preferences NEVER change, and we just learn to overlook what we find unattractive so we can settle. But that doesn't mean those superficial attractions really changed just because someone settles. They may never find their partner attractive, despite being a compatible gender. And we all know what happens when a person no longer has to settle - the relationship falls apart, because they never found them attractive and now they don't need to settle anymore.

If you're saying sexual orientation is the same
I'm saying sexual orientation is just a preference that doesn't change.
But the fact that other preferences change is irrelevant, because you can't control them.
Both are preferences that are outside of your or anyone else's control.

Xavier Sanders
Xavier Sanders

If dubs kill yourself nigger

Gavin Morales
Gavin Morales

You first.

Bentley Young
Bentley Young

for fucks sake you losers go to bed

Joshua Lewis
Joshua Lewis

You first.

Hunter Miller
Hunter Miller

We get it, you soent this whole thread subtly shilling your disgusting ideology to make everyone gay. Its a kind of gender accelerationism. You embrace the present neoliberal order because you want to take vulnerable young men change their sexuality out of desperation and loneliness. You are a reactionary faggot, literally. You dont care about Leftism. All you care about is fulfilling your sissification fetish. Now fuck off

Sebastian Sanders
Sebastian Sanders

You incel bitches make me sorry to be a member of the same species as you. The only consolation is knowing your non-existant offspring won't be.

Eli Williams
Eli Williams

No one cares

Jordan Martinez
Jordan Martinez

I'm tired of your disgusting threads. Why couldn't you just keep this shit on r9k? No matter how much you try to show horn economic theory or any wider analysis of society into your robot shit you're fooling no one. You're not going to get better reinforcing your bizarre psychosis with each other here or on r9k. Just ficking stop. It's really that simple.

Jack Brown
Jack Brown

Our power and influence only grows stronger with each passing day.

Carter Martinez
Carter Martinez

youtu.be/W-Syk-7xoXM
youtu.be/KUopb9BSpao

Christian Gonzalez
Christian Gonzalez

Influence to do what? Anything besides get laid?

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

Youre just bitter youve been caught you disgusting human being. Go write sissy fanfic somewhere else

Daniel Wright
Daniel Wright

Society is going to collapse once we hit peak incel, even if I don't get laid in the anarchy I will take great pleasure in knowing that you will be sold into sexual slavery to some smelly ugly barbarian and the age of the liberated women will come to an end.

Lincoln Carter
Lincoln Carter

Imagine thinking the end all be all to life is if you got laid yet.

On a site staffed by people in the 20's

When men stay fertile well into their 50's

Dylan Edwards
Dylan Edwards

That's definitely not how it works.
Disagree.
Preferences change, but not in ways we can control.
Disagree. People can and do control their preferences all the time. Not instantly or absolutely in all cases, of course, but they do often. The ones we're mentioning here are shallow preferences about which those who have them are often in denial that they even have them, for starters.

Look, your shallow mating preferences are not magic and they don't fall upon you from the sky or emerge out of your human essence. They arise from socialization and your thought processes, which you have at least some control over. Asking yourself "why am i such a shallow cunt?" can actually have some real answers and some positive effect. Asking yourself "why am i such a faggot" (or alternatively "why aren't i a faggot") seems to be a dead end for most, and destructive for some.

Just accept that your little retort was bullshit and move on. Asking someone to contradict their sexual orientation is not the same as asking someone to confront their shallow social biases.

just a preference that doesn't change
hmmm. maybe that's why they stopped using the word preference for it.

Jose Reed
Jose Reed

Bro I didnt say one word about sissification. I'm not the poster who was telling you to go gay.

Have any if you ever tried talking about this shit with a normal guy before? Anyone is going to tell you to man up and stop being a little bitch.

Imagine thinking the end all be all to life is if you got laid yet.
So we've come full circle to my original post in this thread which was about advising all of you to stop trying to make an identity out of not getting laid.

Ethan Watson
Ethan Watson

I agree with you on that.

Alexander Gray
Alexander Gray

Have any if you ever tried talking about this shit with a normal guy before?
Im ok at getting girls. Its overrated. I just got pissed at the person telling people to download tinder cause it struck me as cynical and a huge warning sign that something is wrong that the structural basis of society is forcing people to change their sexuality. I suppose this is positive to some people and maybe an enduring change to the sexual habits of our society given that gays arent stigmatized as much, but it seems to me a negative development

Caleb Young
Caleb Young

Sorry grindr*

Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

Like how much puss do you guys think hot wheels slays? Do you think in any society he would get a level playing field with other men? Why not spend your time feeling sorry for guys like him than feeling sorry for yourselves?

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James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

men stay fertile well into their 50's
Men "stay fertile" their whole lives except if health complications arise.

Luke Murphy
Luke Murphy

I'm with you on that. Honestly bitches and fags piss me off. Spend half the day bitching about how straught guys are intolerant of fags and the other half speculating on how every straight guy they don't like or doesn't like them is secretly gay. I mean the mind game level of that meme, "he's gay but he just doesn't know it." Meanwhile conversion therapy is the devil.

Jose Green
Jose Green

People can and do control their preferences all the time.
They can choose to ignore their preferences, but they can't change them. Hot is hot, ugly is ugly, it's not under anyone's control.

They arise from socialization and your thought processes, which you have at least some control over.
Socialization is outside our control, and our thought processes are mostly automatic and also outside our control. You can intentionally and consciously direct SOME of your thoughts, but not enough to change your sexual preferences.

Asking yourself "why am i such a shallow cunt?" can actually have some real answers and some positive effect.
Understanding why you find something unattractive doesn't actually change anything. Ugly is still ugly, hot is still hot, just because you realize that your tastes arise from mass media or your peers or subconcious bias doesn't matter.

Asking yourself "why am i such a faggot" (or alternatively "why aren't i a faggot") seems to be a dead end for most, and destructive for some.
Asking yourself "why am i such a homophobe?" could maybe help you overcome this block and stop being an incel. It's your choice.

Just accept that your little retort was bullshit and move on.
I'm speaking from experience. You are choosing to be an incel. I chose not to be one at 25, and 2 years on I don't regret it.

Noah Thomas
Noah Thomas

They can choose to ignore their preferences, but they can't change them. Hot is hot, ugly is ugly, it's not under anyone's control.
I'm pretty sure some kind of Pavlovian or other kind of self conditioning is at play.
I'm now fapping to shit that would have made me puke years ago.
It's a shame that with our modern medical knowledge, we didn't build a great theory of desire like Freud did in his time.

Adrian Turner
Adrian Turner

just become gay bro

Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

Just disagree with all of your first three points.

Asking yourself "why am i such a homophobe?" could maybe help you overcome this block and stop being an incel. It's your choice.

You assume way too much user. Arguing a point doesn't necessarily mean you're describing your personal circumstances.

Also, really think about your statement for a second It's the equivalent of telling a gay person:
you feel shunned or excluded by society? Well, just ask yourself "why am i so afraid of straightness". Then maybe you can overcome this block you have to fucking chicks and you won't be shunned anymore.

It's horseshit.

Jaxson Long
Jaxson Long

Yes thats exactly what im getting at. People are so desperate they get gaslighted into believing theyve always been secretly gay when they cant get women. And then when this logic gets called out you to are labelled as homophobic and also gay by default, because all homiphobes are gay. Its a fucked up logic

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

If individuals are left to themselves, females will naturally choose to form harems around high-sexual-value males and let low-value-males to their misery. This is in their self interest, as having a child from chad will make their sons far more effective gene spreaders, which is why this preference has evolved.
This means that incels are assaulted both from females and high-sexual value males, as it in their interest to keep low-value males virgins to wageslave away while they can enjoy the spoils. They are the ones who are feminists/liberals, and the whole moralizing about muh free choice, muh buody is muh property is just the ideological justification that allows them to hide their avarice.

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

Stop reading romance novels.
Communism isn't gibs and capitalism's faults do not absolve all personal responsibility.

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Daniel Davis
Daniel Davis

Legalize prostitution
Personally, I've never been a client because I consider that a lot of what I crave through sexual gratification is validation, the fact that there's a girl willing or better yet wanting to please me sexually is more comforting than sex itself

Thomas Hill
Thomas Hill

Legalize prostitution if you’re serious
let’s turn people into commodities
no
resocialization would be state sponsored hikes/(insert activity) for groups of lonely people.
The problem isn’t lack of sex, it’s a lack of meaningful relationships with people.
I am fairly certain a lot of men who are incels are also friendless with guys as well.
bingo

Anthony Carter
Anthony Carter

I think you guys are missing the point here a bit, whether it is a choice or not for women, it is clearly a contingent choice. Women, along with everyone else, chose to have sex and relationships much more, but now the material circumstances have changed and most people are forced to focus on work even outside of work hours, along with all the other new financial and academic stresses facing millennials and zoomers. Who can commit to having a relationship when you live with your parents or how can you focus on making yourself an attractive mate when you're that much busier making yourself a good wageslave. yes, the less active people at large seek out relationships and sex, the more people who do seek sex and relationships will be frustrated because of the resulting inactivity, but we cannot blame people for making such a rational choice given the circumstances. we have to change the circumstances.

Women here are playing the role of a symbol in a perverse pathology. Instead of blaming those who actually control our world and the systems that accompany them we are putting all our hatred onto the Big Other. The fact that /pol/yps and /r9k/ types often explicitly refer to women as the jews of gender should make this obvious.

altho, nick land ironically enough calls transwomen the jews of gender because of their high Autism Level and place in activism circles lol

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

You intentionally hide the sex differences and the massive inequality in sex having among males; which is exactly how women like it.
Since 2008 there has been almost a threefold rise in the share of men under the age of 30 who claim to be having no sex. At the same time, the portion of sexless women increased by only 8%.

IT'S A ZERO SUM GAME

Aaron Ross
Aaron Ross

spectrerouge.com/index.php/2017/10/11/revolt-of-the-lonely-masses/

Adrian Watson
Adrian Watson

And the most attractive men even more so of course, their multiple sex partners (whether serially or concurrently) are the counterpart to the incels. Obscene wealth cannot exist without inhuman destitution.

Matthew Hall
Matthew Hall

sex-value
harems

Blake Watson
Blake Watson

you are blatantly comparing apples to oranges the way you use those statistics.

There was almost a threefold increase for men, and almost a twofold increase for women.

What's more, this divergence in outcomes is incredibly recent. If this was purely biological or psychological thing it would have always existed. This is the result of economic changes.

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Aaron Martinez
Aaron Martinez

2890870
For all intents and purposes you can measure peoples attractiveness. Ask them to rank them and then take the average. Sure this is "subjective" but it is the collectively perceived subjective attractiveness that matters - sex-value is just a shorthand.

harem noun
har·​em | \ ˈher-əm How to pronounce harem (audio) \
2 informal : a group of women associated with one man the pop star and his harem
3 : a group of females associated with one male —used of polygamous animals Researchers who study elk have determined that the males who possess the largest harems of females not only sport the largest racks of antlers, but also the most symmetrical ones.— Natalie Angier

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

sexual market
sex-value
using beta and chad unironically
materialism = biological essentialism
not getting laid is the same as economic exploitation
<why doesn't anyone take me seriously? they must be roasties!!1

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Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

Women lie. By saying they had less sexual partners, lost their virginity later etc. and it is the other way around for males, although far less pronounced.
Women who thought their responses might be read said they had had an average of 2.6 sexual partners, compared with 3.4 partners for those who thought their answers were anonymous. But those who thought they would be caught out by the polygraph reported an average of 4.4 partners.
newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-lie-detector-reveals-womens-sex-lies/

Ethan Miller
Ethan Miller

Women lie.
Hint: everybody lies. It is only in psycho incel world where only the jews wymyns lie.
See:

Matthew Peterson
Matthew Peterson

The "incel" predicament isn't unique to late stage capitalism.
The economic system isn't the cause. There was and remains a large body of sexual and social rejects from the so-called golden age of capitalism, but guess who writes the history - that's right, the victors, as usual. The rejects don't get to tell their story, for reasons that are fairly obvious, and fade from history. It is the same in all eras.
The only thing that is different now is that totalitarian society is extensive in a way that was historically impossible before the internet, and that the ruling ideology appeals to sexualism and the need for acceptance to have ANY sort of life or social standing. Rejection no longer means just accepting a meager existence; rejection means that you are suspect and to be hounded endlessly until the life you must live hardly resembles a life at all. Even with that in mind, it is not so much an epidemic that appeared suddenly when in the past society worked perfectly. The idea of "sexual health" itself is flawed, and the only way out of this is to abolish sexualism altogether and find a new way to reproduce humanity (or just accept the end of humankind, which is where I am at currently).

Levi Carter
Levi Carter

There is only one possible solution to the incel question. The annihilation of the femoid problem! The 21st century will be host to the great Thot-incel war which will eclipse all previous wars, a war of atrocity and ego-death.

Steer yourselves for what's to come mein incel brother.

James Cook
James Cook

Time to flex a bit and maybe share some pointers.

I haven't been able to stay single for more than about a cumulative month or so from around age 17. I'm now in my 30s.

At 15 and younger I was basically as much of a fat, cripplingly introverted, anime loving fedora atheist as you can imagine. No gf. Didn't think I could have a gf. Really had no idea what I'd do with another person in my life, but desperately wanted somebody to spend time with.

At 16 I got a shitty summer job, lost a lot of weight working outside (and not being home just eating junk and watching tv/internet), and I was essentially forced to spend time with a lot of other people, many of which were a lot older and more social/cooler than me. I lost my virginity and had had 2 gfs by the end of that year, along with making a handful of casual friendships.

From 18-23 or so is sort of a kinky blur. I was able to orchestrate a few three-ways and four-ways, had a longer-term goth gf who was kinda' into it but that didn't ultimately work out. So it goes, you move on. (btw colleges and college towns are great for this kind of thing if you can swing yourself into an existing group of friends or create your own group, get tight with your roommates, etc. Most of them are as lonely and anxious about the future as you. Lots of weird stories that I half-remember came out of this time.)

I re-met the girl that would later be my wife after that. Her and I were just friends back when we were 16-17, knew each other from that first job I had, but went to different schools and didn't keep in touch. Being just casual friends was enough reason to go out for coffee and reconnect when we were both in the same town. That's all it took.

Having some small amount of money, some independence, a physique that doesn't resemble melted butter, and not-awful social skills was I think what it took, because yeah, I haven't been able to keep girls (and some guys) off of me since then. Remember, I had none of this when I started. It takes time and practice, but mostly it takes being out of your house and engaging with other people.

I'm not out here saying I've slammed 10/10 pussy and butt every night for the past 20 years, I'm not even saying I'm not still an introvert because I definitely still am and definitely still require down-time alone in order to feel normal, but even for me it hasn't been that hard to have consistent, pleasant relationships with other people. Learn to read the vibe of a room/scene/person. Go somewhere where you'll actually talk to people and, biggest tip, keep asking them questions, like find out what they're into and get them to really talk about it. Smile and keep eye contact. Most people are dying for a chance to nerd-out about something, you just need to find out what that something is, get them to talk about it, and show actual interest in what they have to say. Boom, you just went from strangers to acquaintances. Now it all gets easier, and you can parlay that into other friendships too.

I think you guys (and girls) out there who are really struggling to maintain friendships and start relationships could honestly see immediate benefit by getting off of imageboards and detaching yourself from chan-culture and the internet-at-large. Seriously, places like this teach you all the wrong habits for having actual relationships with people, and will ultimately only make you more bitter, which will make everything you do harder.

Good luck out there. I mean it.

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Evan Walker
Evan Walker

The rejects don't get to tell their story, for reasons that are fairly obvious, and fade from history.
This is a half-truth at best. Think about the online spheres (mgtow, redpill, r9k, and all that shit). The real issue is that their problems are not addressed IRL, finding and becoming virtualized platforms, removed from the actual social ground of hearings and solutions.
rejection means that you are suspect and to be hounded endlessly
Nope. It is the ideology of victimhood that permeates all capitalist/consumer ideology, exactly because the latter interpellates everyone as individuals, ruling out any collective engagement.

ego death
literally: psychotic episode
mein incel
t. heil hibbler

Levi Jones
Levi Jones

resocialisation
sounds like a stalinist euphemism for "gulag"

Levi Bell
Levi Bell

Reeducation camp is the proper term you are looking for. Do you have actual criticism of them or you just like shouting "gulag" and "muh stalin?" Fucking anarchists did the same.

it's blog time
Okay. Late 20's. Had one serious and long-term relationship. After it ended had like 10 one-night-stands in under 2yrs. Realized it was shit, as Zizek says: using the other as a tool of masturbation. Stopped chasing after them. Masturbate instead. Still better than using the other as a tool of sexual gratification and being used the same.

Sex is overrated. Love is where it's at. Without love there's no intimacy. Jerking off > being a "chad".

Jacob Baker
Jacob Baker

Jerking off > being a "chad".
* while being ready and open for love, mind you

Josiah Brown
Josiah Brown

Defending Stalin in a historical context is one thing, but implementing his policies to day is unnecessary.

Brayden Rodriguez
Brayden Rodriguez

There are a lot of things that Stalin did that are and will be increasingly necessary today, albeit in different forms. Deal with it.

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Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

I mean seriously you guys, how will the world look back on us after some kind of perfect birth control is invented*

They are going to view us the way we view cultures that allow infanticide.

youtube.com/watch?v=jgw4X7Dw_3k

*you give a person one single pill when they are a kid, when they grow up they take another pill to become fertile if and when they want to

Dylan Martinez
Dylan Martinez

sex values
Meanwhile, in reality.

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Benjamin Thompson
Benjamin Thompson

deal with it
i see that you care more about posturing your subversive identity than actually having a constructive conversation lol. insecure. ironic that you use freud's cigar when you project so much of your personality through an ideological concealment.

Isaac Bell
Isaac Bell

muh deserved access to pussay

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Easton Robinson
Easton Robinson

hurr durr who cares about x
t. someone who has x

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Leo Sullivan
Leo Sullivan

Feel free to actually address the points raised in the pic you are responding to.
lol

Christian Green
Christian Green

one HAS his/her significant other
Uhm, honey… love is work by two people, okay? Not ownership between them. You are trash not because your biological defects, but because how you think about these things.

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Nathaniel Peterson
Nathaniel Peterson

Those online spheres only exist since the 1990s in any serious way, though. Current technology is the exception to the rule that, typically, someone acting alone would only be able to spread their story so far; and if someone were offering pamphlets about why they are sexually rejected to a crowded city street, most people would laugh at them, or worse some concerned citizen would call the cops to have that incel institutionalized. The internet makes it easier to find an echo chamber. (Of course, the internet also makes it easy for well-organized groups to co-opt forums, and well-organized right-wingers coalesced and turned those spaces into a vehicle for their retarded ideology, which has had a virulent spread with the assistance of some big propaganda money and tacit support from the powers that be.)
Of course there isn't really a solution to "incel", but one thing that is happening is that it is no longer possible to pretend that sexualism is "healthy", given the large number of rejects it creates and the suffering inherent in such a process. This, combined with the eugenics ideology dominating every area of society, does increase considerably what is at stake. In the past (and I'd dare say the majority of "incels" today), it was possible to move on and live the rest of your life without sexualism, and you pretty much had to. Now, there IS no getting along, because the workplace has become a giant, ongoing struggle session guided by destructive elements of one sort or another.

There is a very obvious form of birth control called "keep your cunt shut"/"keep your dick in your pants", which is somehow completely ignored in public discourse. The very concept of "birth control" implies coercion of some sort, to make sure undesired groups of people do not breed (and to a lesser extent, that favored groups are encouraged in fertility).
For what it's worth I see no problem with infanticide (which is what abortion is) or suicide in of itself, but I do not believe medical institutions or governments have any legitimacy to decide who gets to live and who gets to die. Certainly not this American government, which has pursued a eugenics policy since the 1920s.

Dylan Barnes
Dylan Barnes

deserved
Biggest strawman. I guess it's okay to shit on the starving once they dare to complain about their lack of sustenance. They shut just shut up, suffer in silence, and let us enjoy abundanceat their cost.

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Brandon Cox
Brandon Cox

Haven't had sex in 4 years. Still don't want to except if its under the aegis of love. Thinking about sex as a commodity, right, ration, justice, etc. under a market is the exact thing that makes impossible for you to enter a relationship based on love.

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

This is the disguise of the true substance of the response from you, which was actually the subject of discursive defensiveness; yourself. I was looking at how you were responding to me to see where you were coming from.

Stalin's policies are a different category, but I will respond to them if you like:
I don't believe that in the process of restructuring society to deny climate disaster, it would require such illiberal measures, just very competent state measures, and of course collectivisation and reorganisation of energy sources, but to impart the Utopian project of wholly clean and nuclear energy is ridiculous as it would ironically require this authoritarian strain.

The bigger issue than the mode of production is the process of consumption that we engage in, if we get rid of private enterprise in place of more socially necessary labour, then this will have less impact on the climate.

Going all in on a utopia with a socialist take-over is completely alienating since it could only come from a self-assured intellectual and not the average person.

John Taylor
John Taylor

idk if this is ironic but yeah this exactly what liberals sound like

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Leo Morris
Leo Morris

correction:
hurr durr who cares about x
t. someone who had or could get get x

Parker Davis
Parker Davis

Sex ain't that important nigga
Societal isolation meanwhile is the result of capitalism

David Ross
David Ross

It's a result of liberalism. Also see I'm 100% sure you are not virgin

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Bentley James
Bentley James

sexually rejected
For the thousandth time: it's not about sex, it's about meaningful relationships. The "chad vs. incel" meme shares a common root and denotes people who actually believe that having sex is somehow an accomplishment. It is not. Having long lasting relationships is what matters. Some of these will lead to love, intimacy, sex. Focusing only the latter is the watermark of a deranged and infantile person – chad or incel.

clichés
ok

nutritional sustenance is of the same order as sex is
Just more proof that incels are at the same social level as animals:
muh food
muh sex
muh urges
muh blockades achieving these
Some of us are humans here and such understand that human relationships, common meaning, striving, etc. has to built in these human network, honey.

Landon Ward
Landon Ward

An i don't even care about sex that much I just want to be desired and have a female like me and want to have sex with me

Kayden Parker
Kayden Parker

For the thousandth time: it's not about sex, it's about meaningful relationships.
<it's not about bread, it's about eating cake!
Some of us are humans here
See how sociopathic the "anti-incel" types are?

Logan Flores
Logan Flores

illiberal measures
Not even anarchists care about this buzzword, mind you. Personal freedumbs, hooman rights, freeze peach, etc. are all elements from this ideology that is removed from the social ontology (class struggle). You are not on a forum where you shout "freedumbs" and everyone will starts crying for your soul, and thank fuck for that.

to impart the Utopian project
Pic very much related. Maybe start reading books, fren.

The bigger issue than the mode of production is the process of consumption that we engage in
youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g

Going all in on a utopia with a socialist take-over is completely alienating
You misuse that term.
<Alienation as used by you = "shit are strange to me and I dont these changes!"
vs.
<Alienation, IRL = workers working a plant not being able to determine their own conditions of production.

name calling
arguments X

biological sustenance = having sex
t. brainlet

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Jonathan Ortiz
Jonathan Ortiz

Faggot I've never even kissed a woman much less has sex. I just understand it's a result of capitalism and the Spectacle, not women having rights or whatever the fuck you think is the cause. If you really wanna shoot up a place because you're not getting laid shoot up an advertising firm or some shit

Zachary Parker
Zachary Parker

This is not true, sexual inequality was higher in east germany, someone posted book excerpts somewhere here recently. It also increased in the west with the advent of the sexual liberation/female empowerment.

Jeremiah Peterson
Jeremiah Peterson

I use the term "utopian" to refer to some type of communism which prioritises policy in place of humanity. Arresting people for littering or whatever is alienating because it displays a disconnect between the actions of the working class and the ideals of the establishment. Environmentalism, left-communism, anarchism and so on are all utopian ideologies which exist in the theoretical realm, not in the ways of scientific socialism.

Levi Turner
Levi Turner

(a) The same people who are incels are typically rejected from other social interactions, and this is not historically unusual.
(b) Sexualist ideology and practices inform much of the social mores in force today. As I said, we live under eugenics law and eugenics policy as a very real thing, and the rulers - along with large classes of supplicants - need to believe in hereditary virtue to maintain the present system. It is understandable why sexualism takes on outsized importance in modern totalized society, and why sexualism provides an easy psychological lever for manipulation beyond what it would normally be.

I always try to advise incels to give up on sexualism altogether when I encounter them today. In casual life, just for being able to get by enough to go to the store, it shouldn't be a major issue. Unfortunately, most of these people are marked in ways besides their sexual failure, and they're usually fair game for harassment and elimination. I do try to tell people that the sexualism is just the way society attacks them, because it's the easiest path and conforms to the ruling ideology of eugenism, but this culture has a way of making people internalize everything that is wrong about their lives and beat themselves up.

Basically, in order to "solve" incel, you'd have to attack eugenism in a meaningful way, and no one - not even the socialists who should be howling for blood - are doing so. And the only way I can see eugenism being abolished in the long term is to destroy sexual reproduction altogether, and to destroy the practices associated with that disgusting instinct. Even artificial insemination and industrialized reproduction wouldn't resolve eugenism (and could lead to a horrible nightmare from which we never escape is done by the wrong people, which is where we are heading currently).

Unless you're talking about an attack on eugenism, I don't think you can really say anything worthwhile about incels. You could help the left's case with such people by not repeating ignorant Chapo-tier memes and demonstrating some understanding (and it should be criminal negligence at this point to not understand what is going on and the true ideology that is the culprit). No, it's not about "relationships" - I can have all the "relationships" I like, even in my degraded state - but about the ideology of eugenism pushing into our lives and conditioning us. It happens to me. It happens to normals. Yet there is not even a peep, when people should be ready to tear eugenics ideologues limb from limb.

Nathan Hughes
Nathan Hughes

Fine then post proofs

Lincoln Harris
Lincoln Harris

I've never even kissed a woman much less has sex
AGAIN! You measure human relationships based on their exteriorities: bodily contact. This is your main weakness, you autist. Human contact is established by interiorities: being able to hold a conversation, being able to relate, have solidarity, to develop genuine interest in the other.

BUT NOOO, IT'S ALL ABOUT
muh benis in pussay

it's a result of capitalism and the Spectacle
No, my friend, YOU are the result of the Spectacle. It is YOU who believes those big titty advertisement posters, and not the rest of us.

sexual inequality was higher in east germany
Meanwhile, in reality: vimeo.com/11553460

communism which prioritises policy in place of humanity
You must realize that for communism such a thing as "humanity [as an undivided whole]" does not exist so far as we live under a class society, you underread booklet.

Arresting people for littering or whatever
Who said anything about arresting litterers? We are talking about reactionaries like incels and nazis here.

Jace Davis
Jace Davis

I can' find the thread, but pretty sure the book is: Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism by Kristen Ghodsee
The quote was that orgasm rate was much higher, and other studies have shown that a woman is more likely to orgasm the more attractive the male is (duh) which means that more women were having sex with the minority of attractive men.
Good post, kill all sexahvers

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

The autistic one here is you. I don't know what the hell your point is here.
That's not logically sound at all.

Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

I don't know what the hell your point is here.
Maybe look for specialists helping with your disabilities.

Jackson Sanders
Jackson Sanders

Nah retard he is right and you make no sense.

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Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

If the following makes no sense to you then you are a late-stage capitalist end product, literal trash, an eternal child:
You measure human relationships based on their exteriorities: bodily contact. This is your main weakness, you autist. Human contact is established by interiorities: being able to hold a conversation, being able to relate, have solidarity, to develop genuine interest in the other.

Hunter Diaz
Hunter Diaz

unlike an adult enlightened intellectual such as myself

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Leo Taylor
Leo Taylor

Just because you are anti sex doesn't mean we all are

Charles Stewart
Charles Stewart

What conversation ARE these people supposed to have with others, though? I, for one, am not wanted in this eugenist hellworld. Back when I was dumb and naive I tried to initiate conversations, and would be rebuked often violently for even trying to speak. I had to learn the double standard - others can initiate conversations with me, but I am not allowed to initiate conversations with others. There are few cases, for me, that this does not apply, usually among other people of markedly lower eugenic rank.
Even if I could initiate a conversation (which is a strong taboo), what is there to even talk about? There is nothing, and there never will be anything to say. There is a reasonable likelihood that this other person believes whole-heartedly that I should be killed in the open, and that they should be able to kill me for sport with impunity. Certainly this would explain why I would be jeered at when I walked outside (still get it some times, but I've resolved the problem largely by not going outside and making sure I go out in public during low traffic hours whenever possible).
How much of this is my fault, when the other parties openly proclaim that I should be killed, that it's funny when people like me suffer, and so on? This is the ruling ideology at work. It has nothing to do with money or commodities, or at least very little to do with that. It couldn't be clearer what is at work here.
In such an environment, the absolute worst thing I could do is subject a child to this living Hell, knowing that because of my eugenic caste, that is guaranteed unless I can create fake documents and a historical trail allowing the child normalcy… and even then, what sort of life can they have, considering most normal people are being pressured into insanity under the current rule, considering that the upper classes of society have openly declared they don't give a shit about anyone who wasn't selected for college-bound education by the school system (no more than 20% of the population MAX, which will NEVER include someone like me). Further, the ideological beliefs deeply held by that 20% are so monstrous that if a child ever did "succeed", I would hate myself for bringing such a creature into this world. This, before I even consider the reality that no woman has ever been interested in me, and likely never will.
Nothing I do, nor anything I could possibly become, will change this state of affairs. There is nothing to be had. Sexualism itself is just a reinforcement of the ruling social order, which is why ruling ideologies like to put it front and center and invent a bunch of rules about what is and what isn't correct behavior.

Connor Walker
Connor Walker

Where are you from m8?

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Julian Reed
Julian Reed

Man you just have autism. Stop projecting it on to the rest of the world.

Eli Campbell
Eli Campbell

Rightists have a point when they talk about human nature. It does exist, is horrible and should be fought at any cost. Humans are scum.

Nathaniel Cooper
Nathaniel Cooper

I’m just gonna leave this here.

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Wyatt Roberts
Wyatt Roberts

no arguments
also autism is genetic, so that would just prove him right

William Walker
William Walker

Why the hell would I argue? I'm just lurking this thread and laughing at retards who make this a Marxist issue

Michael Baker
Michael Baker

This BTFOs the incels.

Anthony Barnes
Anthony Barnes

Your main problem is that you glorify defeatism.

Aiden Green
Aiden Green

incel thread

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Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

You need therapy and medication, holy shit.
<hurr that's are bourgeoisie brainwashing
No you just have schizophrenia or something.

Nathaniel Lee
Nathaniel Lee


Having some small amount of money, some independence, a physique that doesn't resemble melted butter, and not-awful social skills was I think what it took, because yeah, I haven't been able to keep girls (and some guys) off of me since then. Remember, I had none of this when I started. It takes time and practice, but mostly it takes being out of your house and engaging with other people.

Be me
Grew up alone and with no friends for most of my life
Parents are basically anti-social, had no one visit our house either, only saw relatives on holidays
Slowly meet people in highschool
Get a job in college, get a small circle of friends
Never had a gf
Pretty sure when I leave my job I'll lose all my friends
Desperately lonely
Look up advice
"You're lonely because you aren't putting yourself out there! There's plenty of people interested in you if you just go outside!"
"Go outside"
Realize the only stuff around me are cafes and fast food joints
Take long walks
No one looks at me or says hello
Decide to sit down at a cafe and read a book
No one ever even acknowledges I'm there
No real hiking places nearby, drive half an hour to go on a hike
Only a few people on the trail, most I get is an "Afternoon" from a few random old folks

Being "out there" has not once resulted in even the most basic human social interaction for me, and at this point I'm considering it on par with Boomer advice like "Oh you just have to walk into a place with your resume and give the manager a firm handshake!"

All I wanted is for someone, anyone, to just ask me how I'm doing, or to say they want to talk to me, or anything really. Then I get more stupid advice like "Well of course you're making a mistake asking people to come to YOU! You need to step outside of your comfort zone and talk to other people!" Yeah, I'm sure someone would absolutely love me trying to awkwardly force a conversation with them in a coffee shop, and if people actually made friends by taking the initiative and talking to random people, why's that never happened to me?

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Liam Sanders
Liam Sanders

People aren't going to start a conversation with someone with their nose in a book, fucking sperg

Jordan Richardson
Jordan Richardson

lol he blamed you like it was a reflex

Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

*and insulted

William Ramirez
William Ramirez

Right so people should just stare up at the ceiling until someone talks to them then, right?

We have 24/7 access to the internet, the person who just sits down and stares at whatever, like you suggest they do, looks like a fucking creep. If you don't have a book to read, then you just take out your cellphone and start looking at that, anything short of that and you're just awkwardly standing around waiting for something that's never going to come.

I honestly wonder what motivates people like him to act like that, though I suspect he might be pretty lonely himself and tries insulting other folks who talk about their loneliness because it trudges up painful thoughts.

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Isaac Rogers
Isaac Rogers

Look I'm sympathetic to this and am in the same boat to some extent, but all you did was literally sit around in a cafe.
I just don't understand what you were expecting to happen and how the result is a reflection of anything.
I'm trying to not be mean here but there's a noticeable element of narcissism in your post. You sat in a cafe and expected people to approach and engage you in conversation. Why would they? Think about this logically for a second.

Thomas Ross
Thomas Ross

I'm in rust belt Burgerland. I don't think this situation is significantly different anywhere where industrialization has taken hold, and my experience is something others have confirmed for me throughout the Americas and Europe at the least. I can assume safely that the population centers of Asia are similar.

rest
I don't know why people think I'm making a claim that this has anything to do with Marxism or socialism or capitalism, considering that I've stated multiple times that it has nothing or nearly nothing to do with any of that.
That people instinctively reach for that just shows how little thought is put into this matter, and how much of the discourse revolves around people wanting to feel better about themselves.

I don't know how anyone can look at the ideologies on display and not conclude that we live under eugenism. Eugenism informs nearly ALL political discussion in the public media, and the positions of eugenism are taken as a given and assumed. No eugenist is ever demanded to justify their ideology (because they know they don't really need to, because the entire basis for the ideology is power for power's sake).

"Autism" itself is largely a political label, rather than a meaningful diagnosis of a neurological or psychological condition. There probably IS a neurological or psychological cause for those behaviors associated with Kanner-type autism, the kind that leaves people non-verbal and unable to function. Assigning the political label "autism" to cover people who can read and write, who can usually live something resembling a life, is one of the most disgusting things to occur in recent history, and it was carried out purely for political reasons (the schools want to kick out problematic students, so instead of working with them and allowing those kids to have some sort of credential, they're now "autistic" and condemned to spend the rest of their lives as legal non-persons under perpetual terror). There might be some physical component at work here, but the entire "theory of mind" argument for autism is based on PURE FUCKING IDEOLOGY.

Bentley Jackson
Bentley Jackson

You know you can initiate, right?

Jeremiah Morris
Jeremiah Morris

to an extent, sure, but don't a significant number of gay people have "straight sex" in some capacity? either due to uncertainty, or basically the same reason as this person is suggesting? u can fulfill ur sexual and emotional desires separately

(i'm not saying that's like. the Ideal Solution To Inceldom but hey if it gives people a more fluid understanding of gender and sexuality that's cool imo)

Evan Williams
Evan Williams

Yeah, all I did is sit around a cafe.

Would friends magically fall from the side if "all I did" was go for a hike? Would I somehow find a friend if "all I did" was go to a movie theater and watch the latest marvel crap? Would I somehow find anyone interested in me at all if I went to a gym and "all I did" was work out?

That's the thing, all this advice "normal" people give is "Well your problem is you aren't putting yourself out there enough!" And then we do, and we're told the same thing like it's a broken record, that I guess we aren't going to cafes "hard" enough, or watching movies "intently" enough, because the sum of all your advice is that you can get friends just by "going outside" and when that doesn't work, we get told well of course we aren't going to get friends when we "just" go to Cafes and the like.

I'm trying to not be mean here but there's a noticeable element of narcissism in your post. You sat in a cafe and expected people to approach and engage you in conversation. Why would they? Think about this logically for a second.

I bring books to read specifically because I know no one is going to approach me, because advice of "just go outside!" is useless. Also you say expecting people to approach you and talk to you is narcissism, yet below this post we have:

You know you can initiate, right?

Why is it, the only way to get friends is to "initiate" it yourself? It follows that if there's so many people out there with friends, if they "initiated" all those friendships themselves, someone had to be approached and by them, someone had to be on the receiving end of the initiation.

As for me being able to initiate, I have to call bullshit. You start talking to a stranger out of the blue and you come across as a creep, you'll probably end up scaring them off rather than getting on their good side. What the fuck would you talk about anyways? "Man, this weather's been pretty crazy lately, right?"

Go ahead, try and strike up conversation with random schmucks on the street or people just quietly enjoying their coffee, try not to seem like a fucking creep.

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Carson Edwards
Carson Edwards

You have a huge amount of self-pity and victimization. Also the way you speak about "getting friends" is kind of weird, like it's a commodity or something.
Let me ask you something, how do you think other people get friends?

Jason Brown
Jason Brown

I mean if we're just going to disagree about everything then there's no argument to be had. We just disagree on the fundamental nature of attraction.

You can still choose to experiment with the same sex and stop being an incel, and I recommend it. It's not like most gay men haven't experimented with the opposite sex at some point in their lives. Hell, Chad has usually had at least one encounter with the same sex too (but if you tell anyone about it he'll deny it and say you catfished him or something lmao). And who knows, you might actually just be gay and not realize it. That happens too. You never know until you try.

Daniel Long
Daniel Long

looks like a creep
come across as a creep
seem like a fucking creep
dude I think you have a self-image problem

Jace Hernandez
Jace Hernandez

All I wanted is for someone, anyone, to just ask me how I'm doing, or to say they want to talk to me, or anything really.
My friend there is this thing called imageboards that allow NEET autists to socialize and interact with each other.

You may already have friends without knowing it.

Colton Fisher
Colton Fisher

His whole problem is that he doesn't actually want friends but he thinks he's supposed to have them because he got memed by sitcoms.

Zachary Richardson
Zachary Richardson

(i'm )
The thing about initiating conversation is that you really can't, due to some unspoken social rules regarding rank.
But even if you can, there are problems. Even normals report that they can't really initiate conversations, or hold any conversation of real importance. Really, what is there to talk about? The weather? Maybe you can hold brief conversations on safe topics, but there are a lot of places you cannot go, like any sort of coherent, independent political thought. The political thoughts that are allowed to be expressed in polite conversation are reduced to simplistic arguments (and curiously, we are expected to adhere to a very peculiar framework of what is "normal", even though the majority of people are obviously disgusted with the system we live under and express their opinion about that point openly).
I actually did try to initiate conversations for a while (almost never broaching the subject of sex if I could avoid it, since I knew damn well none of these people would be interested in me and, by that point, I could barely be said to want such things any more). Most of the time I would be ignored, or the conversation would cut off abruptly because there was really nothing to talk about. The more memorable reactions where the visceral DISGUST of certain people. For example, I'm sitting in a classroom, and some guy near me asks someone if another guy has a pen/pencil. Other guy says no, but I overhear and I think, "well, I have a spare, so why not" and offer the pencil to him. Guy asking for the pencil has the most DISGUSTED reaction, like I had no right to even be in the classroom (which, considering he was a Zionazi, was certainly his reasoning). Like, I don't even care about his politics, a pencil is a fucking pencil and it's no loss to me. But the casual disdain and hatred for people like myself, and the prevalence of ideologies similar to this person's Zionazism, makes it quite difficult to open conversations, because fascoids have created a public space where they are allowed free reign, and where their targets are beaten down into fair game. I have encountered many similar interactions, and most normals I talk to seem to have gotten the hint. Everyone I see around me is either a fascoid flaunting their ideology and status, or they're people in various stages of fear and terror. That sort of environment is not just happenstance, but deliberately constructed and carefully maintained.
Needless to say, these days I tend not to talk much in meatspace. My own obvious deficits in speaking are apparent, but even if those weren't an issue, there just isn't anything to speak of, and it seems to me that a lot of normals are keeping their heads down and beating themselves up, too. You're not the only one, and you're not an unusual freak. The system we live in favors social prominence for particular ideologies, as does the methods of communication that are common.

Josiah Johnson
Josiah Johnson

They want you to make friends haphazardly like them. I made friends via dumb luck at work/school. I never made friends from a random person on the street. In (gay) clubs I was drunk and got laid because fags are easy. When it comes to girls basically impossible. When everything is based on luck like that you need to come from money (a lot of team sports growing up, clubs, fraternities while being a resident student)

The best way to find romance is to have a social proof by being part of several circles of friends and that shit is exhausting.

Jeremiah Wood
Jeremiah Wood

Shit dude I wonder how far apart we are.
-I'm in the light-green, though on the Northern side.

All the same, I'm trying to think of friendships/relationships I made outside of school/work that didn't involve me initiating. Oddly enough my wife was the one that rang me up for coffee, but aside from that I'm pretty sure I had to initiate in almost every other case…

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Liam Scott
Liam Scott

They have mutual interests and meet through that. The basketball player might have some local team he's a part of, or people that he watches a game with. Maybe they met some people in highschool and stayed friends with them once they graduated. Other times it's through work or charity.

No one ever makes friends just by "going out there" and "talking to people." No one steps outside their house and thinks "Well I'm going to make some new friends today, better talk to random people on the street!"

Now, imagine not having a friend or hanging out with anyone until highschool. Imagine your parents keeping you from expressing interest in ANYTHING when you're a little kid because "Oh taking karate class is too expensive" or "Darn I really don't want to drive to an arcade", and then honestly ask yourself if you could be at that absolute zero point in adulthood and still function like a normal person.

Probably, I was smacked around a lot as a kid.

No, I want actual friends. I want people who share the same interests as me, people I can connect with and talk to, and I want to be wanted by someone.

Imageboards aren't the same as face to face human interaction

Jose Edwards
Jose Edwards

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder#Interpersonal_relationships
People with BPD can be very sensitive to the way others treat them, by feeling intense joy and gratitude at perceived expressions of kindness, and intense sadness or anger at perceived criticism or hurtfulness.[21] People with BPD often engage in idealization and devaluation of others, alternating between high positive regard for people and great disappointment in them.[22] Their feelings about others often shift from admiration or love to anger or dislike after a disappointment, a threat of losing someone, or a perceived loss of esteem in the eyes of someone they value. This phenomenon, sometimes called splitting, includes a shift from idealizing others to devaluing them.[23] Combined with mood disturbances, idealization and devaluation can undermine relationships with family, friends, and co-workers.[24]

While strongly desiring intimacy, people with BPD tend toward insecure, avoidant or ambivalent, or fearfully preoccupied attachment patterns in relationships,[25] and they often view the world as dangerous and malevolent.[21] BPD, like other personality disorders, is linked to increased levels of chronic stress and conflict in romantic relationships, decreased satisfaction on the part of romantic partners, abuse, and unwanted pregnancy.[26]

Connor Murphy
Connor Murphy

So what's stopping you from meeting people through "mutual interests"
I want to be wanted by someone
Oh right, your massive ego and narcissistic need for the entire encounter to be a personal validation

Lucas Cook
Lucas Cook

kinsey scale bro. not everyone that identifies as gay is completely averse to the opposite sex and not everyone that identifies as straight is completely averse to the same sex. I think many people are just one or the other though.

Asher Ortiz
Asher Ortiz

I don't know how sweeping campaigns to wipe out so-called inferior races and inferior people on a massive scale isn't "dangerous and malevolent".

Andrew Taylor
Andrew Taylor

It's just nature bro survival of the fittest, true meritocracy

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Adam Clark
Adam Clark

This defeatist attitude is doing nothing for you. Stop bitching.

John Bennett
John Bennett

No, I want actual friends. I want people who share the same interests as me, people I can connect with and talk to, and I want to be wanted by someone.
Literally imageboards my nigga. Go find a hobby and get involved with other autists who share the same interest, I can't believe I have to tell you this. Try watching anime or reading a manga or something.

Imageboards aren't the same as face to face human interaction
How come that never bothered me? I guess I must be more autistic than you.

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Oliver King
Oliver King

Obviously the meritocracy is lacking merit when they can't even run global capitalism with anything resembling sense, and the so-called meritocracy is doing a fine job running this empire into the ground.
I would hope that this would lead to someone finally questioning whether this eugenics horseshit is really valid, since the so-called eugenically fit have nothing better to do than bitch about the absolute weakest of people. Unfortunately, it's going to be the other thing, and some other shitlords are going to proclaim that they're the really really eugenically fit, or some other self-glorifying horseshit. There are very few people who are going to really have an inclination to question the whole rotten system, and most of those people are incapable of thinking of a plan let alone carrying it out. Even if they had the plan and anything close to the means, I don't think the wretched of this Earth possess the kind of bloodlust necessary to prosecute a full war against eugenism, even if enough ordinary people were to join up (or more likely, had no choice but to fight or die)

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

So what's stopping you from meeting people through "mutual interests"

The closest book store is nearly an hour's drive away, I don't have any interest in sports or drinking, which makes me alien to most of the people here. Sure the idea of meeting people through "mutual interests" is fun until you realize most of your interests are pretty introverted in the first place

Oh right, your massive ego and narcissistic need for the entire encounter to be a personal validation

I find you're acting weirdly aggressive about this. Not once did I even hint to having a "massive ego" and I don't think I'm better than anyone else. Yet you're turning the basic human desire to want to be wanted by someone, anyone, into a "narcissism" thing. Honestly do you think people don't want to be wanted?

Hudson King
Hudson King

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Caleb Bell
Caleb Bell

That's because those sweeping campaigns aren't even happening. There isn't a eugenics conspiracy to wipe you out for being inferior, there isn't a hidden caste system of social rank and rules that stop you from talking to people, people don't hate you or feel disgusted by you or think you are a creep (they probably don't think about you much at all, because you keep to yourself). That guy who you gave a pencil to and was DISGUSTED? He didn't make any face at all. You literally imagined the entire thing. You are unwell.
Like, I'm not saying this to own you and make fun of you or something, I legitimately believe you have something wrong with you. And maybe it's just because I can't understand your thought processes at all and so you sound like a socially crippled alien to me, but these thoughts you're having are not normal.

Eli Morris
Eli Morris

Oh right, your massive ego and narcissistic need for the entire encounter to be a personal validation
Tone it the fuck down Mr. Strawman. He simply said he wanted to be wanted by someone, not that it's all he wants. That's a perfectly normal human need.

The reason people say vague stuff like "put yourself out there" is there's really no other advice to give. As you've observed, friends are not something you get, they're something that happen to you work, hobbies and mundane stuff like that. The only proactive thing a person can do is "put themselves" in situations where people are in contact for a a sustained period of time, like a hobby group. Is there a book club near you or a sport you might be interested in? Literally anything that involves more than one person will do, but in your situation I'd say the best thing would be something you genuinely enjoy to take your focus from trying to make friends and shifts it to engaging in that activity you're excited about.

There's one advice I can give you, having been on the same boat once. You will embarass yourself, you will come across as a creep to people, and you'll either learn to live with it or you'll die. If you don't let it bother you, it won't bother other people. We all have boat load of memories we can't think without cringing. Luckily this is an honest to god skill you can practice.

Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

mcrumps.com/2019/01/31/the-thing-that-the-incels-desire/

Camden Rogers
Camden Rogers

Since this is the place where spergs vent out, it's my time to shine.

What should A person do If he believes 85% of other people are malicious in some way or form? I used to be your regular weird nerd though elementary to middle school, but since high school I pretty much became a good looking person but still eccentric person. Since then I don't trust people even more. After seeing how different people are just because of some petty thing as looks I can't seem to accept them. It just feels broken to me for a lack of better word. I don't get how people can trust each other.

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Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

still not bumplocked
<vols be like

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Zachary Jones
Zachary Jones

Hey that was pretty good. Thanks for sharing.

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Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

Yes, they are. They undeniably are. The caste system isn't hidden, it is expressed in the open, and for the most part, it is enforced.

How do you know what happened that day with the Zionazi who was disgusted? He made his disgust very audible and apparent. Others have explicitly shouted "retard" or something else at me for speaking, or just shouted "retard" at random because it was fun for them. If you are denying that this has ever happened to anyone, ever, I don't know what fucking world you think this is, because that is routine, everyday behavior in almost every environment that exists in America, except perhaps the gated communities of the well-off. If you don't believe me, there is an ample body of media depicting this behavior and its common occurance. The reactions to my very presence, let alone attempts to initiate friendly exchanges, are not uncommon, and should be expected if you have any familiarity with the typical social hierarchies of humans. It is amazing that, with people like you enabling the worst of human behavior, that there is any decency at all left in this world, let alone a good amount of decency. I'm sure if you had your way, I'd be dead, or better for you, publicly tortured and humiliated forever because my suffering glorifies whatever shit you believe in. That is the only explanation I can find that would guide you to say something that is so ignorant of basic reality, when likely multiple people in this thread can call bullshit on you.

Further, the U.S. doesn't even deny eugenics is its policy. It is still written into law. Eugenics courts (Family courts) still exist. The practice of institutionalizing invalid persons still occurs, and almost happened to me at a young age. I have no doubt that people are being killed in considerable numbers by "accident" and "neglect", and others are kept alive only to be tortured by sadistic monsters. Since, again, you seem to be sympathetic to purging and are trying to present a blatant falsehood that eugenics has never existed ever, I don't expect this conversation to lead any further.

Eugenics is the ruling ideology, even moreso than capitalism, and in the long run eugenism will be the replacement for capitalism which retain the ruling class' position (along with functionaries who compete like slavering dogs for merit and gleefully attack each other int he most grotesque manner). I have no doubt that by now, this fate for humanity is a certainty. No one on any part of the political spectrum is even willing to suggest eugenics is a currently-existing force, even though its ideology dominates the media and government policy, particularly towards the third world colonies. The only people who say anything at all are some elements of the religious fundamentalist bloc, and religion has long been the vehicle to channel discontent with society towards priests who offer their flock false consciousness (for example, claiming that eugenics is "socialism" or that the free market is their salvation, even though it should be obvious that it is the opposite).

Gavin Young
Gavin Young

So basically everyone who gets laid is completely without flaw and every unsuccessful dude is the same sort of narcissist psychopath petit-bourgeois Rodger was.

And since I must I use "gets laid" as a euphemism for entering into romantic relationships and having a lively romantic/sexual life. Not just simply the act of penetration that every liberal in this thread reduces "incels" to desiring.

Owen Long
Owen Long

Are you trans? What's your deal? Taken at your word, it sounds like you're dealing with social stigma on-par with what some peolpe in early transition deal with. (if so that's okay, I'm just super curious what causes this reaction).

Like, I can't just say post a pic of yourself, but seriously, what could people see in you that would create such a stigma-response? Skin color? Disability? Overweight? Is there some kind of root-cause that you think creates this reaction, or do you think it is purely an ideological reaction? (but if then, to what?)

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Levi Miller
Levi Miller

he's a harlequin baby with ms.

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

One of the fortunate things is that, so long as I remain silent, I can present as a relatively ordinary white guy of average/above-average weight. That has spared me a great deal of misery.
Mostly, though, it comes from being in the school system and having word of mouth go around. I was one of the ritual sacrifices to be tortured and humiliated so that the other kids feel better. Such roles are inherent to the eugenist ideology, and my suffering is the basis for the reproduction of the ideology and the system. So long as eugenism exists, there will be some hated group at the bottom whose entire role is reduced to torture and humiliation, because only someone in that debased role presents the general public with the necessary pressure to conform to eugenism, whether they want to or not. By now, the vast majority of people have internalized eugenist values, even if they personally don't like the system, but virtually all of the educated classes are selected in part because of their ideological conformity to the most violent excesses of eugenism. Merit and intelligence are equated with belief in the system.
Now that I am older, fewer people acknowledge my existence or remember me, and I have little choice but to stay in my house and avoid much in the way of meaningful social contact. The internet is about all I have, and the internet is full of trolls and shitlords so that is of little value. Even then, I've had to resort to threats of violence just to be able to walk outside so I can go to the store, because for a good few years I couldn't even walk outside without threats of violence and shouting. Obviously, the people shouting at me have a reason to do what they do, and have acted upon that, as the history of killings and violence against anyone the eugenist ideology doesn't like should make abundantly clear. So, I live in a society where it is normal and expected for the ruling ideology to enable death threats, to glorify them even, and that it is criminal for me to even raise a finger or a voice in self-defense. This is normal. This is what I have accepted this world to be, and apparently what others accept the world to be, because everyone is too afraid to even mention eugenics even though it is such a pervasive ideology that informs much of what people believe passively. That I can even stand to hold a conversation at all should be a surprise. Do you think, in a society where such an ideology is the norm, where open death threats against large populations are considered normal and even glorified, that I'm really amenable to opening a casual conversation? Even if I could find someone who wanted to talk to me, there isn't a whole lot to talk about, and we all know about the 800 lb gorilla in the room that we're not allowed to criticize. I would like to have conversations, and despite all that has happened and all the evil flowing around, I don't hate all of humanity or think everyone is evil. It's difficult for me to stand the sight of another human, but even I can recognize a lot of people didn't want this system. Unfortunately this section of the population that does support eugenism has run rampant and has continuously terrorized the rest of the people into inaction and fear, and has set up a social system where aggressive violence is enabled and self-defense, let alone mutual self-defense and co-operation, is forbidden, especially for those certain people designated as ritual sacrifices. I could have it worse, because I know other people who do have it worse, or had it worse until they were driven to death or absolute despair which shattered them utterly and left them traumatized lumps of flesh.

Levi Long
Levi Long

you guys just need to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps

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David Allen
David Allen

youtube.com/watch?v=SYZm_ErTh_s

Easton Gutierrez
Easton Gutierrez

Hmm. We might disagree on whether or not there is much of a distinction between an internalize eugenics ideology as you've described it and the ideology that naturally creeps out of hyper-capitalist empires, but I appreciate your effort to explain a unique viewpoint.

What might have surprised me most from that was this line-

for a good few years I couldn't even walk outside without threats of violence and shouting.

Can you explain this situation a bit more? That seems really extreme, I'm interested in the context here, because it seems unlikely that one of (or all of?) your neighbors would have internalized this ideology of pure-breeding or eugenics or whathaveyou, and that they would make consistent threats to uphold this ideological value to themselves. What was their deal?

-I'd also be curious to know how old you are now, but I can respect OPSEC.

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Ryder Gutierrez
Ryder Gutierrez

Fucking lol. A paranoid schizophrenia thread.

Mason Jones
Mason Jones

There is a difference. I think when you have universal compulsory schooling as a vast institution, the national security state and its adoption of some central planning mechanisms just to keep capitalism from having too many crises, extreme financialization where money isn't really money any more, you're talking about something different from the capitalism Marx and Lenin understood. It's still fundamentally the same system, but it's quite clear we are in a long process of transition to something different, where human beings are thoroughly controlled by ideology to shape the world according to "Nature's hierarchy" and everything will be based around that principle. I don't think capitalism particularly cares about eugenism, and in some small ways even acts against it. What is undeniable is that eugenism appeared as a coherent ideology the moment it was technologically and organizationally feasible, and when it was clear that capitalism would face recurrent crises without drastic action.

What was their deal?
All it takes is a few people getting it in their heads that they can push me around, and suddenly I'm on the defensive. Since drug culture is pretty strong in this area, the druggies all gang up on people to punish anyone who's not part of their club. But, they wouldn't be so empowered if it weren't already known that I am a legal non-person, and as such can expect no legal recourse. It took some quite drastic action to demonstrate that I was willing to take some of them down with me if I were pushed too far. Oh, and by the way, under current law, if I ever do wind up in a criminal court, I'm legally "beneath the law" and for all intents and purposes I'll be ruled automatically guilty regardless of what I did or didn't do. You should read the laws regarding mental defectives some time, and consider that the mental defective category is believed to apply to about 20% of the American population. I don't know offhand how much of that population has already been marked down. Oh, and one more thing, legally I'm barred from driving a car, forever, so my means of transportation are limited unless I lie (though most people do lie). Finally, if at any time a social worker really doesn't like me, I could be institutionalized basically at any time, and I'd have little recourse to stop that. I doubt it will come to that any time soon because they'd have to waste time with court papers, but legally the law is quite clear where people like me stand.
Right now I exist in a sort of limbo where I'm legally a quasi-person, but people can fuck with me in a multitude of ways if they are aware of my status. It is not realistic for me to expect that word of my status doesn't spread around, though I think most people I come into contact with don't care what I am so long as I have money to exchange for stuff. My past will come back to me eventually, especially if I ever wanted to do anything like apply for a job (basically not going to happen, and no vocational rehabilitation will not work, they do not work with ASDs period - when that diagnosis is written, the system is writing you off completely and doesn't want you to have ANYTHING).

Nathaniel Morales
Nathaniel Morales

Towards the first part-

but it's quite clear we are in a long process of transition to something different, where human beings are thoroughly controlled by ideology to shape the world according to "Nature's hierarchy" and everything will be based around that principle.

I'd agree that the nature of capitalism is in a constant kind of dynamic flux, though I'd disagree that humans being controlled by guiding ideologies is new, or that it's really that different from how it was before. I would agree that it has accelerated, and combined with technology to create something that is more pervasive, something that evolves faster, but I don't know that I'd agree that it's fundamentally different. We might examine the history of PR/Advertising here. The idea of spreading wants and beliefs and desires has changed considerably in just the last 100 years, but I would posit that these are tools which have been used primarily to serve the interests of capital, not necessarily an ideology of selecting the most fit, but an ideology of promoting the ideal/illusion of fitness. Perhaps those are not so different in late capitalism? Hard to say.

To the latter section, I think I am understanding your perspective a lot better now. You've been fucked by institutions and individuals for what sounds like your entire life, and as you mentioned before, humans tend to have this shitty quality where they like to dogpile on one person or group. I've heard this explained as a kind of group-forming/maintaining ritual, castigating The Other to identify ourselves As Us, Not Them. Perhaps that is an innate human trait, being social animals.

-I think that is perhaps the unique aspect of this ideology you've described. It could be difficult to distinguish between what is a crafted and puppeted ideological narrative and what is just innate human dickery and shittiness in seeking social capital.

I wish I had more time to talk about all this but I've gotta' go. It's been fun, hopefully talk to you again some day.

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Charles Walker
Charles Walker

The point that essay is making is more or less that that's the fantasy of the incel and the source of his arousal (and his dignity as a subject). Ultimately inceldom is the sustaining of this fragmented 'reality'. Note also that it's not that difficult to paint the absolute anger of some feminists when talking about incels/niceguys in a similar way, as the sustaining of some sort of sexual liberation impeded by 'patriarchy' or 'bad men' fantasy, masking an antagonism that not only 'twists' and is required by that fantasy, appearing alongside it, but also marks it's limit.

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Gavin Sullivan
Gavin Sullivan

Important to add also that this argument does not inherently imply incels and other social lepers should self-crit until they become 'normal' human beings

Logan Sanchez
Logan Sanchez

Well, it's not just my perspective and me railing into the void. I've compared notes with other people in similar situations, and read quite a bit of peoples' stories, and I think what I'm seeing is a consistent pattern. When I was younger, I felt this way, but had no context to understand what the system exactly was, let alone the historical context of capitalism, eugenics, fascism, Marxism-Leninism, and most of the major movements of recent history. Back in the 2000s, me and people like me were able to connect on the internet and compare notes with each other, although it's always going to be slow going (the educated classes and the rightists would tend to dominate all discussion groups, so it would usually require a substantially large group with enough people in the margins to get reliable information).

Some time in the past 4 years or so the doors have been slammed shut, and a lot of the smaller forums (your php-bb shite, etc.) gave way to modern social media which is under tighter control of Porky and ideologues. A lot of groups that would attract those at the fringes of society have already been colonized (incel boards for instance were taken over by a right-wing clique; 10 years ago, the largest incel board was a liberal Vampire Castle, and much of the rightist incel board shit comes as a direct reaction to that particular board's prevailing ideology). There is so much disinfo on the internet now that it's hard to trust any sort of conversation, lots of bots and astroturfing, especially on any topic ruled "controversial". I see a lot of this incel shit that keeps coming back here as people hitting straw men, rather than any sort of meaningful discussion (and I support BO or whoever anchoring all incel threads immediately, sexpol is the bane of the left).
A lot of the old haunts where I was able to compare notes with people in my situation have shut down, or diminished to near-dead activity. It's basically the occasional imageboard post that offers a bit of light now, and the fash have infested most political boards and most boards that attract the margins of society. Wizchan is particularly atrocious about its political leanings (fitting because it was a honeypot in the first place, but you take what you can get because everything else is a manosphere-infested nightmare if you want to talk to other wizards).

On propaganda… well, Bernays said it best, whoever controls and masters propaganda effectively controls democracy, and once that PR apparatus is extensive enough, you're moving past mere manufacture of wants. Over time, the population's attitude has been crafted specifically for a return to fascist-derived ideology, even though there isn't a real reason why we should be doing a fascism in the 2020s. If liberals were interested in keeping liberal capitalism as a system, neo-eugenics wouldn't have come back in a big way during the 1990s, long before there even a perception of a public emergency. It's quite clear to me that once the opposition of the USSR was gone, a switch was flipped and the transition from capitalism to the next system was set into motion, and heavy propaganda is being pushed to guide people in a particular direction, to dismantle the system as it exists. What's happening right now is that literal crooks are looting the system and public property for as much as they can, and the rest of society is engaging in a non-stop money grab to get what position they can in the order to come. I think a good number of people, even normies, know that something big is going to come down, and they've already got the eugenist model of society and its tiering of mankind into grades drilled into the head from a young age. If TPTB were trying to salvage capitalism or preserve its lifespan, they would have engaged in crash development programs to switch to heavy nuclear power and renewables as soon as 1992-93, because everyone was well aware of what was coming ahead, and that energy and fresh water would be a problem in the future. But maintaining the system wasn't in the interest of the ruling class. Starting a war in Iraq back in 1991 was not a move that preserves capitalism, but as a move to introduce Americans to a new fascism it makes perfect sense. Why respond to looming environmental disasters and long-term scarcity when you can get the old fash sympathizers to go along with their moronic nonsense of fighting a Nazi masturbation fantasy in Asia (the same thing they've been pushing for many decades, and there is no doubt in my mind now that the fascist-aligned elites really do view it as a Nazi masturbation fantasy just like Hitler did, hence tacit support from the current government to legitimize the Nazi masturbation fantasy / race struggle narrative in recent decades).

Cooper Richardson
Cooper Richardson

Reeducation work brigades build solidarity

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Ethan Peterson
Ethan Peterson

eugenism
Its eugenics eugenism is not a word

Jordan Parker
Jordan Parker

OK boomer, stop flexing . You've misread everyone here. You got lucky because youre probably a white dude living in a stress free country in us or Canada or some shit and never had to experience real trauma in your life. Most fags here are probably not like that. I'm not like that and everything you say is just lazy boomer advice. Try being so traumatized af that even saying hello to a random stranger causes you to hyperventilate

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

youtube.com/watch?v=IbrgbK32Eug

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