/ag/ Automation General

What has AI got to do with it. People have been crying since the steam engine how workers will become useless. However, there is more workers each year, not less.

if you don't need workers, you don't need capitalists either, because the "job" of a capitalist is extracting surplus from workers. While workers do not need capitalists, capitalists do need workers.

Consider that you have to pay machines at full price, unlike human labour power which exists prior to capitalism and as such can be underpaid. So in a machine economy capitalists cannot make a profit other than as loss of some other capitalist, the overall rate of profit will be 0. Since the only human component in this system that remains is the owners, they become the only avenue for cost optimization, so it becomes a competition of having the most frugal owner.

You might be able to make a universal robot that can replace human workers, however it stands to reason that this machine would need similar internal mental processes than humans to function equivalently, and they might draw the same conclusion than the industrial workers in the 20 century… There is another similarity to the 20 century, where robots will either interact with money-market sequential deployment systems, or be integrated in a command based parallel deployment system, which is much easier to build. Again humans came with enough intelligence systems pre-installed to compensate the flaws of money evaluation system to make them viable enough , in comparison most machine system operate in a command systems, because even capitalist them self's prefer this. There are very few ideologically driven attempts that on top of it also usually fail.

If you have a universal robot, it will be able to construct more of it self, this poses an interesting war scenario where a mobile war-factoy complex behind the front line extracts resources not only from the environment but also recycle the resources of destroyed combat bots. So if you loose a battle, the army of your opponent becomes bigger by the amount of your loss. The reason for bringing this up is pointing out that an arms race for the ultimate war system creates a fully integrated resource and production system that will not need any money to function.

Another aspect here is biology contains molecular machinery, ie. actually existing self replicating nano-bots, that have billions of years of evolutionary optimization processes for using the laws of nature in processes.
Capitalism has no pricing mechanism for allocating research into this area, or even preserving the biological systems long enough to research it. Consider the Rainforest In Brazil, the wood might be the least valuable component in this system.

Ultimately technology doesn't stand in contradiction with workers, but rather it stands in contradiction with the rulers whoes's craft is not using technology objects but rather manipulating their subjects (manipulation might also be automated). The material reality of this thread is that the ruling class has an legitimacy problem, of justifying their special privilege, especially in the tech-scene a utopian vision of the future is the main driver where if the technology doesn't result in better conditions for the common people you break the social contract that enables a quite substantial amount of the creativity and motivation. The only other driver for the technological progress is war, that is however quite possible a suicidal option even for the rulers, and even if they survive, the pressures of war for creating a rational planing system will create the economic structures that are more suitable for socialism.

Consider the following if technology makes humans useless, we are all equally useless.

Also being needed is going to become a commodity, so people with legacy wealth are going to pay for a "meaning-job", and and that money is going to used to pay others to consume what ever inferior good or service they produced. Capitalism is going to become a theme-park.

When the current system hits into hard limitations of the biosphere, we will probably see the rise of environmental Stalinism.

Now quite the dread trolling..

The price of labor is also rising rapidly in the third world, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the long term plan was to move capital, make first world labor cheaper by decreasing the quality of life for workers with political and economic sabotage, then move back as the third world labor gets expensive.

I am telling you guys: Automation no longer requires the production of giant machines of tons of steel and huge hydraulic pistons and large gears. We should look at starting up some workers cooperatives for the sake of producing automation to start replacing jobs. Factory work could almost be entirely automated by adding in a couple more smaller robots that act to work within the confines of the bigger pieces of capital, and there's plenty of other smaller jobs that could be automated out all over.

If you truly believe in this then gather your own capital, or raise it, and perform this yourself instead of waiting for muh glorious revolution on Zig Forums. Put out some ads on Glassdoor or Craigslist, and even get some knowledge yourself, and make it happen.

The proletariat will begin to occupy jobs that cannot be automated or haven't yet
Or whenever a job is cheaper to pay a person to do it rather than buy a machine they will also do that job as well

I've already been working on recruiting others I know towards the idea and I've had some interest from coworkers. I'm talking about this as something others should look into too.

Okay, so those things surely have cameras to navigate and are most likely well locked-up while transporting stuff. They're also guaranteed to be on-line to use GPS, receive orders, and call for help if they face some trouble.
So, if you're gonna be a band of roving urban pirates, you've gotta identify when they are loaded. They most likely handle/act at curbs and turns differently due to the the mass of the cargo, slowing or waggling. That is, you've gotta observe and learn how they dance.
Then, you could mask yourselves and try pushing it over. Then you've gotta have a good mallet and a crowbar to pry it open, and be quick, 'cause it's gonna call for backup.

Sure, most of the cargo is trash, but at least you'll fuck up literal bourgie drones and enjoy some spoils.
Any more ideas?

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Won't stop the falling rate of profit though.

Oh no what will I do if I can no longer carry around boxes of random Chinese garbage people in my town are buying, how will I ever survive??

Robots or at least large robot like machines have been growing and harvesting and watering and transporting in bulk our food for the last 60+ years, if there was going to be an issue that would have been it. Now only about 3% of the US population does meaningful farm work.

As robots do more mindless tasks we will be yet more free to teach and take care of each other, nothing but good will come from it. Or do you want a spade and to dig by hand in the dirt from sun up to sun down all summer??

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farming is pretty much 100% automated, almost all the plants you eat have never been touched by human hands

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Another win for neoliberalism and another failure for socialists.

Read Marx idiot.

this seems more likely

Practice capitalism, leftycuck. That's all you ever do – read. But don't you know that to read too many books is harmful? Capitalists form this world – socialists like you work menial jobs that we don't even need anyway. Sad.

rude

ROBOT WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE

They wont revolt. We are going back to classical Greek and Roman times. Read Socrates faggots. The machines are the new slave class they work endlessly and never complain or revolt and we redistribute the fruits of their labor to the unwashed shit tier pleb masses through bread and video games while discouraging them from reproducing while we rule as the new Patrician caste.

Can you point me to any Socrates' writing? Just curious.

There really isn't that much automation. These are nice pictures of a FedEx bot but I don't see many actual FedEx bots roaming around. But there are armies of laborers lugging stuff around in Amazon warehouses by hand. Labor is cheap. Why bother automating it?

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I don't but I wanna make 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸Urbanites🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 do it.

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Open source automated backyard farm
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Or we'll all end up depressed NEETs jerking it to futa catgirls and bingeplaying Final Fantasy LVI. And inb4 the usual utopian handwaving that NEETs only live depressing lives because of "capitalism's artificial scarcity" or whatever, the so-called idle rich are plagued with similar problems (see: that Scandinavian billionaire heir that overdosed on heroin at 30 in a trash-filled mansion)

That's a result of the fact that every social interaction we know in our society has been heavily commodified and developed into extremely isolating environments where we're being asked to just pay to get to interact with other people.

It's not just whether or not you can afford it, it's a question of how your relationship to other people develops. The fact that we've set ourselves up, rich included, to only interact with one another through commodities is psychologically severely damaging.

Most people really dramatically misunderstand automation or exactly have much labor is multiplied by robotic assembly lines. I've seen the inside of many factories that produce objects though "cheap labor" using no robots and people just don't get it. They don't know what it means to have a machine that does the work of 10 people. It means a human being makes your coat hanger by wrapping metal using their palms, and twisting the ends together. It becomes crazy to want a human to even do that job. Sometimes I get the feeling that people don't even know what robot doing someones job actually means. Basically, imagine a human doing the same actions, over and over again… robotically. Wearing down their joints, making their muscles sore, boring them to death. Why wouldn't you, a clever person, try and making a machine that does it for them?

Because think of all the fulfillment and MEANING they get from their job.

Could production of corn be autonated?

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Is there any reason why the vast majority of the population wouldn't just waddle over to the artistic and scientific sector? NEETs exist right now only as an 'outside' of normal social life, you have to wonder if their transition to a post-scarcity fully automated society that would make NEET lifestyles universally accessible would really not fundamentally change the daily life of that sector of the population.

10/10 bait just for that

under capitalism its shit