New Moderation Thread

looks like the word filters gone

It is no less cancer than anything else

so what, what are you talking about that is so secret? If we were organising, sure, this is not a good place, but clearly we are not. It is an easy, accessible, regularly used and user friendly platform to facilitate left wing discussion.

Isn't this whole website spook owned anyway or something?

we aren't doing anything super sekrit

Dubtrack is also good, i also support the use of dubtrak.

Will the word filter on Rojava be destroyed?

also i'm interested, im not looking to get into a discussion but generally, what are the board vols feeling about Rojava?

this warms my heart. Please let it be true.

Is it official then? Zig Forums under new management? Is there a new BO? How are things going to work?

guess that answered that.

my god. A New Dawn has risen.

tankie
IQ
National Soycialism

It was the atmosphere that was the problem. I think this board is so important for the growth of the online left and as a wedge for the altright and frankly if people come to it through anarchism rather than marxism thats fine. Its easier to engage with them.

If people argue in bad faith let them be called out. I wish it was only blatant trolling and disruptors that got banned. Youll never get rid of the subtle trolling on chan boards and frankly engaging with them is not entirely useless since it does force us to examine ourselves.

Does it? seems in line with this statement from the old thread:
just replace the boogeyman word "incel" with "anyone against feminism"

Told you we'd fix it eventually.

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I think not socialism triggers fashies more but this is fine, I get you wanna put your own spin on things, maybe replace Autism Level/autism level with 'psuedoscience points' or something.

We forgot to discuss this at the meeting this weekend. We'll talk about it next Saturday.

FBI naturally creates and incestuous in group culture that creates embarrassing results for all those associated.

I was banned for this and my comment was deleted by BO in the "suggestions" thread.

Im thankful to BO for starting this board but this is just petty, unfunny and unproductive.

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I fully intend to keep doing this. We're not here to try to stop sectarian trolling and shitposting, that is a major part of the board's culture.

The old BO is gone. If you appeal the ban I will remove it.

I think we all want a more open atmosphere. When it comes to questionable things (not pure spamming/raiding) I tend to ban people for much shorter amounts of time, and unban if they come back with something reasonable. The rules based on ideological grounds, like against nazbols or imperialism, will always be less and more lightly enforced.

Did he delete every one of your posts? I can remove your ban if you link me to one of your posts.

We already have our small Zig Forums telegram that we made a few months ago
t.me/joinchat/Bk5Ovku2Je8JaYpigPj98w
Pls no ban

kek

only for people who get too into it and are already spergs anyway. For most people its just a good platform to talk shit

also here is my idea vols:

you can see which users are which I assume, posting history and such. Why not invite these anons, all who are posting in good faith and not Zig Forums shills, to some kind of a general assembly so we can actually discuss how the board should be?

Why isn't the soviet board run by soviet?

I would say most every topic that isn't just pure spamming (ie. the OP is actually asking a question and will respond no matter how stupid or rude) should be anchored rather than removed. But that's just my opinion.

one of my most personally hated things was the anchoring and banning of /polyps/ come here in genuine curiosity. Can we be assured that this kind of thing will cease entirely?

I personally agree with this position. I think only spamming, rule breaking and bait should be removed.

democratic moderation would be good but i think its too hard to do on an anonymous board that free to join. Although maybe established tripfags could be elected to soviets.

also i posted this in the other thread but it was anchored so I'm gonna post it here because i want all coming into this new thread to read it and i REALLY want the volunteers to read it:

Yes i am sperging: its in the mod threads and you have to understand, I'm not kidding when i say at one point this place may have in fact saved my life, which became a lot more fulfilling once i learned about communism and then went out to try and push for communism IRL

I saw this place for something actually revolutionary, I still firmly believe that. Propaganda is an extremely useful weapon, maybe the most useful, and as far as the internet goes most other outlets are absolutely shit tier, mainly because of the idpol thing and the whole culture around that, this place did not have that, and it was growing. The GOOD thing about it was that it was left wing space you could say pretty much anything without being labelled problematic and shunned, banned etc. That is what this board was built on, it was a more accessible part of the left for the great uncouth, which is most people. On top of that, it wasn't some muhh free speech liberal with burger characteristics ahaha i said nigger on the internet ahahah hellhole. It was just a place, that was actually good for discussing just about anything loosely related to the left, which is really everything.

That was the exact reason the board was good and successful, for no other reason. I feel really passionately that this place flourish, as more and more the internet becomes entrenched in mainstream life.

yeh i wouldn't advocate democracy proper for these reasons, but if you had a constituional assembly like in Cuba once or twice would be easier to facilitate.

pls god no

Now THIS is some quality cringe

Do you really want people like A.W, Reddit Obesity, Afroplasm and that faggot Yuiposter to run a board?

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this would work if most people tripfagged by its only the especially autistic that do this right now

cringe if you want, its true. You are a faggot if you think propoganda isn't important and that most left wing spaces aren't seriously effected by idpol and how important building a line that opposes that way of thinking is.

Oh shut up, cringe culture is for 12 year olds.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it saved my life but this board was/is also important to me, it broke my heart when BO turned on us, perhaps now things are open to changing I might forgive him/her. I give thanks to the mods and hope things continue in the right direction and we can recapture our momentum we once had.

oof, nah, just base it on post history.

I tried to kill myself. I had absolutely no friends. Mostly because I used to be a fucking asshole and also hung around with a load of assholes but also because i got fucked over in court.

Now i have commie friends and they are way, way better people than my old friends, I am no longer a retarded asshole, or i am becoming less of a retarded asshole

I would put that mostly through what i learned trying to organise. I would never have got to that stage if it weren't for this place, probably.

I propose the mods and BO himself take a visit every week to Zig Forums, watch the Zig Forums whine thread and be ashamed of what they have done.

Nigger this an imageboard

theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/23/oculus-palmer-luckey-funding-trump-reddit-trolls

Some people think so to the tunes of millions of dollars.

Image boards are a part of social media. Social media is an extremely important battleground in modern day politics.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Dowson

"In July 2016, Dowson established the "Patriot News Agency" to help elect Donald Trump as President of the United States. Dowson described his strategy as spreading "devastating anti-Clinton, pro-Trump memes and sound bites into sections of the population too disillusioned with politics to have taken any notice of conventional campaigning."

i understand you are a little bitch hobbyist who probably hasn't worked a day in their life or paid rent. Yes it a serious business.

Some words require a space for the filter to come into effect
8ch.net/settings.php?board=leftypol

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Love you user, proud of you.

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Requesting filter Nazi/s to National Zionist/s.

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We will take this under consideration.

i mean fair enough but i also wasted my time

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I did that too lol, though only a shitpost reply.

I think a lot of people's problem is that they never ask anything unique, it's either open ended "why r u left" or posting the same race-realism infographs that have been debunked countless times and OP proceeds to ignore them anyways. We should have a sticky with FAQ Zig Forums questions and great archived/screened answers from here and direct them to that; they'd read it if they were genuinely curious and not just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

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My apologies. The post read like OP just wanted to own the commies and libs, not learn, ie. drive-by shitposting.

I agree we could beef up the FAQ with more questions.

another thing we should bring up at the next meeting. If a thread has a certain number of genuine posts in it, even if OP is bait we shouldn't delete it.

Also to add a note to OP saying what the thread is now for.

Post it anyway in the trash thread

8ch.net/leftypol/res/2893186.html

Once a ban occurs can we do (at leasts a small paragraph) explanations of why a user deserves a ban? Showing the banned post isnt a reason. Giving more the one word responses would ACTUALLY help posters make better content!

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Mods i know we have beef but please i do enjoy this board and am trying to help

Are you joking? That poster clearly isn't interested in making quality posts. Shitposters don't deserve ban "explanations"

Proposal
filter "Gusano" to "Gusanx"

8ch.net/leftypol/res/2892156.html

How about you find the context before you claim something! Also if you think my thread about how reactionarys literally do use judei-bolshevism against us, is a shit post you can fuck right off!!!

Fuck off, Zig Forums. Your threads aren’t wanted here

how about some transparency, like they have to screenshot every ban and keep it in a pinned thread

i have almost certainly been here longer than you

Yeah ive been on here for a year, your from the silent generation laughable!!!!
Those two pics are from the message I got,for trying to make another post and getting banned. Thats what I wanted to talk about, what is the problem in that? Im legitimately a advocate of libertarian (it has many meanings over time I suggest understanding its origins) state socialism. I believe a state can be small( the amount of coercion of the populace is minimal) yet in coordination with union bodies of workers run production. I dont mean the way unions are now(colluders with the capitalist class)I used the term union as a way to relate the unification of the collective expression, on the creation of goods and services.

Anons im not your enemy can we welcome a newfag?

jesus christ can you please start typing like you don't have brain damage

Thats you what I wrote isnt hard to understand! ()←- is me putting a idea in a idea a specification on the clarification the inner point on my broder array.

Consistent, light moderation is vastly preferable to sporadic heavy handed moderation. This is the number one issue with the previous board owner.
creating internal moderation guidelines for volunteers should be the number one goal of the new administration

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I disagree. Sporadic mass banning keeps posters in fear much like the panopticon or purges, which is a good thing that keeps bad faith posters out.

Intermittent reinforcement works better than continuous reinforcement at promoting behavior and minimizing behavior extinction.

how on earth does randomly banning long time posters keep out bad faith polyps? They wont be around to see the random bans. You are a fucking little retard

Just added some new flags. My question is if there are any which could go? I don't see the purpose of the Direct X or Egalitarian flag.

Beyond datamining, dizcord culture is cancer and we don't need that shit here. /leftytrash/ is bad enough as it is. Raids cause repercussions and thus I do not allow using this place for them.

Call me an SJW or whatever but we really shouldn't enable this new wave of socialists who think that rejecting liberal identity politics means you can blend reactionary takes with socialism. We're not having 5 daily threads about how feminism is the most important thing in the world and socialism is just a supplement to it but we shouldn't allow anti-feminism and such either.

I wish there was a way to randomize the filter so it'd become either not socialism, national soycialism or national capitalism.

lmao

Seeing what kind of people complain there makes me proud actually. It really is a whine thread. Why should I care about people getting banned for being nazbols or parroting state department propaganda?

Please not Direct X boss, it's one of the best memes

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If you automate the filter change with a script using a short enough timer to loop through the three at an interval of like five seconds it will effectively be the same thing

Antifeminism isn't inherently reactionary though, modern feminism is absolute trash, and that user is right that most women in the west don't even consider themselves feminists. We need to be able to speak the truth about it, sure 'marxist feminism' technically exists but how often do you see it in the real world exactly? I don't want to see this place becoming another r/soc.

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You're supposed to be mending the Zig Forums split not exacerbating it.

Why bother replying if you're going to reply to what's in your head instead of what I've posted?

You sound like a fucking psycho either way. I hope to god you never get into power.

get rid of Egalitarian and Euphoric since no one uses them.

antifeminism isn't inherently reactionary

Add nazbol flag

You can critique corporate feminism all you like, but socialist feminism still has a place. Especially when you consider how your idea of "modern feminism" is mainstream feminism in the most developed capitalist countries where roughly 10% of the world's population lives. Everywhere else there's still a lot to gain for feminism. So no, I won't allow antifeminism here - haven't you noticed by now how reactionary capitalism and antifeminism go hand in hand?

Zig Forums is dead, and the filters and bans on discussing Rojava have been lifted.

Antifeminism is reactionary, and I'm not adding a Nazbol flag.

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You DO realize Rosa Luxemburg was still a feminist, right? Are you also going to post an MLK quote and explain how socialists shouldn't be concerned about racism?
There are tendencies in feminism which more often than not have a material basis. Do you think feminism in Argentina or Egypt is obsolete?

dare not touch directx, you opengl faggot

DEFEND DIRECT X
DEFEND DIRECT X
DEFEND DIRECT X

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We all live in developed countries too. We never hear about third world feminism and frankly I don't think they even really think about it that way. They certainly don't subscribe to the same nonsense sex war that western feminists do. Socialist feminism is literally nonexistent, 99% of 'leftist'' feminists I've seen have garbage tier takes that are indistinguishable from neoliberal feminists.

If we don't allow anti-feminism or at least egalitarianism then what is the point of this board? I know that might sound extreme but if we have to subscribe to idpol then what is this board's reason to exist? I'm not against banning crazy incel posters of the 'all womens are demons' variety but we need to be able to discuss this critically.

It's hardly active but we should be trying to reabsorb the userbase and shut down the board in general. There is no purpose served by intentionally insulting and denigrating them.

Some antifeminism is reactionary, just like some (maybe most) feminism is

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huge ban waves every 6 weeks doesn't make much sense when the lifespan of the average user here is probably only several months

add a nazbol option but make it display a poop emoji

Kys faggot

Side note/generally inqury: I noticed that anchored threads under old BO/mod team were left up as what I could only imagine was a demonstration of anti-raiding or filtering out low quality threads. Will there be a different approach? Does this even matter no
Eureka Stockdale flag when?
also bring back autism level word filter, it defo reveals pol/yps high autism and newfaggotry

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Just when I thought things couldn’t get worse

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TIL lenin and mao both radlibs

Believing in rights is the basic definition of liberal.

That's mostly a boogeyman. And having a couple nazbols around has been useful in converting Zig Forumsyps by giving them a stepping stone. You're not going to fix someone's whole ideology at once. If you can get people to understand class struggle it's a lot easier to get them to understand why racism is stupid. The reverse is not even remotely true. Just look at how many lefties are former lolberts vs how many are former democrat-style liberals. Proximity on the political spectrum is not an indicator of conversion potential.

That's not very dialectical. Feminism has plenty of internal problems to be resolved. No ideology should be beyond question, particularly on a supposedly broad-based discussion board. And why are draw equivalence between "You can critique X" and "X doesn't have a place"? A topic can both have a place here and be open to critique.
Where are the proofs billy? There's a pretty profound difference between "ree womyn bad" and "feminist theory has flaws" that you seem to be glossing over to be convenient. Feminism by and large has actually been pretty beneficial to capitalism - women joining the workforce has increased the labor supply and the demand for work-essential commodities like cars. That's not to say that this was a bad development, but that things are complicated and need to be seriously discussed rather than painted over with broad strokes.

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khalas

Not allowing critique of your material analysis is dogmatic, which is pretty radlib. How the fuck are you supposed to develop a good analysis of gender politics if nobody is allowed to critique what exists and make it better? Per BO:
Apparently whatever version of feminism BO supports (and who knows exactly what that is?) is the final word on gender politics?

This is true.

What makes someone a feminist or not, and why is feminism the only legitimate position/theory/take for gender politics?
Right, so you acknowledge that feminism means different things so why insist on it without being clear what you mean? There are MRA critiques that are based on materialism too. Having a materialist basis doesn't render a critique bulletproof, and it especially doesn't make a particular feminist critique a good one, much less the best we can do.
If I'm being honest I think that's a chauvinist if not outright white supremacist question to ask when you could have picked places like Alabama or parts of eastern Europe. To the point though, I don't think it's "obsolete." I think it's incomplete and needs a shitload of work because feminism hasn't been as successful as gender-based liberation movements could be. Even in the west where feminism is "obsolete" you still routinely find feminists reinforcing gender roles and stereotypes under the guise of "equality" or some bullshit. That's evidence of deeper problems with the ideology that call out to be critiqued and discussed openly and thoroughly.

Democratic in what sense? Elections are a horrible idea and will lead to a tripfag popularity contest, and implementing democratic functionality will likely require using a system outside of Zig Forums.
It would be chaotic, but a good solution can be randomly selecting moderators from a pool of volunteers, and giving anons the ability to periodically vote on removing the moderators they don't like. The BO's main purpose would be to purge the inevitable Hoochie 2.0 and that's it. This will probably require user accounts though it should be fairly simple to enforce poster anonymity or allow unregistered users to post.

feminism is necessary for communism. Sure, i suppose you could have world without commodity production in which women were subjugated still, possibly. In this world however, repression of women is extremely intertwined with class oppression and pretty much every major theoretical and historical Marxist or anarchist thinks this. What you forget is that unpaid female labour is an enormous part of the economy. Socially necessary labour i.e. literal labour, child birth, raising of children, which predominantly still falls mostly on women particularly outside of europe/america but even then within is still a massively gendered thing, for obvious reasons, men can't give birth. This work is fundamental in reproducing the capitalist economy. If it is fundamental to the capitalist economy, then it should be revolutionised.

Still wouldn't ban anti-feminism unless its shit like "women should be raped/men should assign women to incels" level of shit

So who is the new board owner?

he says on Zig Forums

are fun and spread propoganda and the worst possible conseqence is having to read some shitposts.

also national soycialism is that best

yeh tell us about yourself and your intentions in full

Can you add the ML flag that Zig Forums has? The flag of the Russian SSR? I thought it looked cool.

you have to go back

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That's not my point at all. I'm contesting that feminism has the sole claim to liberating women (or people in general) from gender roles.

I don't disagree even slightly with this. I would simply add that women are not the only people who are repressed on the basis of gender, and feminism by and large has been at best unhelpful but usually actively hostile toward attempts to address the ways that men are repressed as men or that gender non-conforming people are represses on that basis.

I did not forget that. My position is that "feminism" has an inconsistent definition that can alternate between encompassing any attempt to redress gender issues and whatever specific female-centric take is being advanced according to convenience.
I don't disagree with that. My position is that these issues do not exist in a vacuum, but a totalizing system of gender roles and ideology that affects everyone (albeit differently), and that for instance women's issues particularly are bound up with men's issues and one cannot be solved without the other. Feminism can help liberate women, but only up to the point where it runs into contradictions. For example, you can't share the burden of "women's work" like raising children unless you expand men's gender roles to allow them to do that. Gender roles as they are constructed are inherently binary, with corresponding complementary responsibilities and restrictions.
They're a single system and the notion that men are simply a "default" or "normal" person and women an abberant subordinate one is simply ideology. Women may be told to obey their husbands, but similarly men are told to do wage labor to support the family. You can't have one role without the other, same way you can't have proletarian or capitalist without the other, since they're defined by their relationship to each other. My issue with feminism is that in being so focused on women it misses the bigger picture here, and it's at the point now that libfems have had to start resorting to saying things like "patriarchy hurts men too" to try to salvage the ideology from these kinds of critiques.

That's not "anti-feminism." That's just bigotry.