Russia

I don't know if this thread belongs here, but I'm going to post it here anyway. If it doesn't belong here, delete it please.

Is russia still a marxist country. Russia tells that it is a democracy, but a friend of mine told me that russia is still marxist. Or at least a little bit marxist. Is this true?

Attached: 1200px-Flag_of_Russia.svg.png (1200x800, 1.35K)

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/r7tCOCWmTp4
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

Not since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Realistically, it hasn't been Marxist in anything but aesthetic since Stalin's death.

No, the means of production are no longer in the hands of the state, which would make them of public use.

Marxist as in? The communist party has a somewhat large presence, not in leadership. It's also the second largest party. There's also lots of nostalgia for USSR there. Marxist also doesn't equal undemocratic.

Stupid and undialectical

Russia is not a marxist state, not by any metric.

No, it isn't. It is regular capitalist country. It hasn't democratic ownership of the means of production, private property wasn't abolished.
There many people in government and oligarchs who were members of soviet nomenklatura (or are their children)
Communist party of Russian federation is not Marxist Leninist, they mix socdem rhetoric with nationalism and support orthodox church.

There are large anticommunist and antisoviet initiatoves from government. They "decommunizate" names of cities, tear down monuments, try to erase soviet symbolics (they even hide Lenin mausoleum on the Victory day). Putin unironically praises white guards, Solzhenitsyn and even Yeltsin.

Nothing really communist about the country

Attached: 1494163872140448324094904.jpg (550x340 47.53 KB, 172.04K)

Holy shit that's bad. The cardboard around it doesn't make it better.

Attached: 235.jpg (644x500, 35.05K)

Yeah, they want to erase the fact that communists won in that war. They replaced original symbol of the Victory day with some fucking pigeons and St. George's ribbon.

They don't allow people with Stalin portrait's to take part in "Besmertny polk" ("immortal regiment", action commemorating heroes of Great patriotic war) but allowed to Poklonskaya to carry portrait of Nicholas II

Attached: 503E859E-27DB-4995-9C50-07C3B223527F_cx0_cy8_cw0_w1023_r1_s.jpg (350x593 38.62 KB, 51.98K)

Russia isn't communist anymore. That's western liberal propaganda. There really are many people in government who were in CPSU in the times of USSR, but most of them are capitalism apologists now and voted for the infamous pension reform.

...

Putin hates Marxism so no.

I understand why you believe this but imo it's somewhat unhonest to state "they won't to hide that communists won the war". Was every single soldier of the Red Army a communist? Or every single general? Stalin didn't win the war on his own and when we consider how massively this conflict trascended ideological motives (obviously those were still part of the whole war but there's much more than that) it seems disingenuous to say that.
That being said though, I heavily agree that they shouldn't censor part of their history (and people who obviously also are part of why the soviets won). While I find it retarded that they allow tsarist shit, I won't hate them for that. Their history is what makes them who they are. Tsars and communists, that's what Russia was (and is) today.

I imagine if 1917 never happened Russia would not have the productive forces to combat Hitler, or would have joined him.

Literally the only people that have potential there are Anarchists.

I can't tell if your flag is ironic or not. Many people in Russia miss the Soviet Union and elect guys like Putin out of fear, not of admiration or love. They are scared of the EU and western imperialist encroachment, now more than ever.

Let me ask you, why is the EU building an EU army? For what purpose? Against which "enemy" would this army be deployed? The answer is quite obvious. Unlike the Americans that are manipulated into seeing dictators at every turn (Assad, Maduro, Khamenei), the Russian people are right to fear and the election of pseudo-fascists like Putin makes sense from their perspective. I don't understand the lack of empathy… and if your flag trolled me then bravo.

Putin doesn't win out of love or fear, he wins out of complete apathy. It's not about the Big Bad West its that people saw the 1990s and see Putin and are like "Well this bloke isn't as bad as Yeltsin, so fuck it". "So Fuck it" describes the modern Russian mindset to a T, after the 1990s I am not sure how you wouldn't be depressed.

However there is a small sign of recovery. Over the last year or so, civil society political activism has been growing ever since Putin decided to to fuck around with the pensions. There were mass protests in cities outside of Petersburg and Moscow. That's really important considering the old line that political opposition doesn't exist outside the centre of the universe (Peters and Moscow). In addition to the pension protests, there are the protests over trying to ban Telegram (whatsapp for slavs), general internet censorship, regional protests against landfill sites, and finally the most recently a load of protester stopped a Cathedral funded by two major oligarchs from being built on a popular public park. It's things like this that show the moribund Russian political sphere is coming back to life and it decidedly anti-elitist in character. The real race is now between the liberals and the socialists to capture this momentum. The issue for the socialists is that the main leader of the left-wing Russian street movement, Udal'tsov, is in prison. Still, his Leviy Front is doing a good job of it. The end of Putinism is coming, who brings it and who takes it over are up in the air.

Russians may have resigned themselves to the dreary state of life and the rule of corrupt oligarchs but they will still elect the oligarch that does not waver in the face of imperialism. Putin's invasion of Ukraine was a popular move in Russia, which is hardly consistent with an apathetic population.
My friend, sadly socialists will not take power in Russia for a while.
I agree, the next oligarch will capitulate fully to the EU/US.

Actually the war in Donbass is now quite unpopular (mostly because per-head more welfare funding gets spent in Donbass than in neighbouring Rostov). Sure Crimea was popular, but that inherently underscored how apathetic the population was: it took the annexation of a historically important region to save Putin's regime, and even then it has bought him what, 5 years now things are going down again?
Also saying that "Putin does not waver in the face of imperialism" is a smidge rich considering he is an arch-imperialist. Anyone that believes the "Muh Russian resistance to NATO" bs is honestly braindead.
Eh there's a chance, mostly because the liberals can't argue on things like the pension reforms. Also the CPRF has "accidentally" been winning various governorships because they are meant to be the token opposition but either A) a young bloke that doesn't know "the rules" stands and seriously campaigns, or B) the public are so pissed-off with Edinaya Rossiya that they vote for the CP because fuck-it they used to be good. Kinda funny in a way. Also it appears the grip of Zyuganov is fading, which is great.
Nah, they will try to make amends (like Putin did) then they will swing back into Russian nationalism when it suits them. Take Navalni, the great liberal who supports the "stop feeding the caucasus" campaign and was gun-hoe in Georgia lol anyone remember that was a thing. The libs like him and Sobchak pivot to nationalism against the west eventually because domestic porkies always do.

It's naive to think Putin's political power is contingent on foreign conquest. Most of the most powerful men of the state are old colleagues of Putin and were chosen for their loyalty. Power in Russia comes from elite political networks, not the people.

The Soviet Union was a country of socialism and its people fought for that. The phrase "For Stalin, For the Motherland" is more than well known and veterans repeatedly point out that they went into battle with those ideas.
Not every soldier was a party member but everyone who fought was fighting for the USSR, the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.
The war was ideological, ideology was exactly what made the battles of the East Front far more brutal than the West, the Nazis did not consider the French subhuman, they did consider the soviets subhuman, they did not have plans to eliminate the majority of the French population, they DID have plans to eliminate or helotize the Soviets. The Keitel Order, the Commisar Order etc. are all specified only towards the Soviet people and their socialist/communist ideology. This does not eliminate the fact that the soviets contained different peoples, but the current people and the current state is not the one that had beaten the fascist plague, they are only capitalizing on it, like a fad.
No, but he was KEY in leading the country.

''On that memorable evening, which left an indelible impression on me, JV Stalin more than once in the course of the report and in the process of discussing it also explained to us how best to use the combat characteristics of infantry, tanks and aircraft in the upcoming summer operations of the Red Army. ( …) I came back from the Kremlin completely in the grip of new impressions. I realized that not only an outstanding political figure of our time, but also a commander well trained in matters of military theory and practice are at the head of our Armed Forces.
During the discussion of the proposals of the commanders, the Supreme was laconic. He listened more, occasionally asked short, precisely worded questions. He had an ideal memory for numbers, surnames, names of settlements, apt expressions. Stalin was very well assembled'' (Baraganyn I. Kh. So We Went To Victory. M., Voenizdat, 1977, pp. 59, 61, 300).

NATO is absolutely wagimg an imperialist war against russia. Funding color revolutions against russia's allies and economic partners shows that. Also all of the russian prowestern opposition was aggressively funded by western NGOs until Putin rightfully banned them(obe of the few good things he did). You seem like a filthy liberast.

What imperialism has putin waged? What foreign policy decisions did he do that a communist patriotic russia didnt?

Also is the russian youth thouroughly brainwashed into western consumerist culture and hatred of the ussr?

Solzhenitsyn is taught in schools, religious brainwashing is at tsarist levels. Stalin is condemned as a tyrant despite popular support, and virtually every film set in the soviet era is filled with anti-soviet memes about the NKVD and bread-lines. The youth in Russia is poorly imitating things that are popular in the West resulting in ripoff bloggers, rappers and other bullshit.

Putin does not wage imperialist war, (I don't get that claim) but he and his government engage in anti-proleterian, suppressive actions. the national guard, recently formed is deployed for 'internal' defence… meaning the suppression of protests among other things, which they engage in.

If you go to the pinned reading list page in the Zig Forums catalog, you'll find Russian youtube and blog channels listed that cover socialism and more importantly cover the anti-communist actions of the current Russian government.

Is this board mostly not Americans? Cuz if so that’s awesome, fuck the burgers here

Attached: 6F85C16D-7391-425C-A75E-6E866E08D12E.jpeg (600x400, 41.96K)

youtu.be/r7tCOCWmTp4


0:38 Popular anti-Soviet blogger Dud shot a lying film about the Kolyma of Stalin's time.
0:40 Popular anti-Soviet blogger Varlamov talled some nonsense about the Soviet Union.
0:41 The leader of the so-called “Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia”, which is in one step from becoming fascist in fact, attributed to Lenin words that he never said. He lied about the Soviet Union from the tribune of the central TV channels. Then goes Putin, who also said that Lenin laid a "bomb" under the Soviet Union, said that his fall was predetermined by Lenin, as if people like Putin were not involved in the collapse of the Soviet Union
0:44 The well-known anti-Soviet TV anchor Vladimir Pozner spoke out from the rostrum of the central state television channel, equating Сommunism and Nazism.
0:45 Maria Zakharova, a spokeswoman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, spoke out from the tribune of the central state television channel in the way "Stalin is worse than Hitler, after all, Hitler killed other peoples, and Stalin was killing his own." Right after her, the face of a fat right-winger who voiced support for the Nazi collaborators.
0:48 March of the Ukrainian rightist. In Ukraine, communism was "equated" with fascism, but the fascists walk freely.
1:02 Natalya Poklonskaya, the prosecutor of Crimea, was a member of the State Parlament from the ruling party, on the Victory Day on the march of people who carried portraits with their ancestors who fought in the Great Patriotic War, came out with the icon of Tsar Nicholas II.
1:12 Traitor Gorbachev shakes hands with Reagan.
2:30 marches of Russian, and then Latvian right-wingers.
2:43 The head of the presidential administration of the Russian Federation initiated the establishment in St. Petersburg (Leningrad) of a thank-you memorial plaque to the Finnish marshal Manerheim who participated in the blockade of Leningrad, which resulted in numerous deaths from starvation in the besieged city. Following him, the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation, who supported this initiative. Through the efforts of the public managed to remove the plaque.
2:46 Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation, Chairman of the "Russian Military Historical Society".
2:54-2:56 Lenin’s mausoleum in the 45th and now, today the mausoleum is draped, closed with plywood, obviously in order to attribute the Victory to the capitalist Russian Federation and once again not to incite the eyes by Lenin's mausoleum, to which the fascist invaders flags were thrown.
3:00 Vladimir Putin lays flowers at the monument to the anti-Soviet writer, liar and fascist Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
3:04 The inscription on the poster is “to be dismantled as part of de-communization”
3:07 an allusion to the Nazis who burned books, the action of de-communisers
3:15 The whole video is managed by opposing of the words of an American, of the words of truth, to what is happening around, to what power representatives of the capitalist class are saying and doing today, at the end the question is: did 27 million people died for nothing? Was there a revolution in vain?

Isn't it bad enough to already be a burger? I didn't choose this and you don't have to rub it in.

Being the burger in today's age is the best outcome there is.
You are living in a era where the imperial core is about to be brought underwater and you have the chance to contribute to its fall and start on building anew.
Non-burgers are jelous that they can't really be in on the action and are even more jealous that they won't be the catalyst that propell the planet into global socialism.

M8, being a burger is not great at all if you're working class. Sure, most might be delusional enough to not think they're fucked over but they still don't live good compared to Europe.

Nah, he's right. Being a burger socialist is the best possible thing right now.

It's just that it fucking sucks to be the best thing.