Is Anti-Homosexuality ever compatible with Leftism?

Nicholas Nguyen
Nicholas Nguyen

As you know, there are TERFS, smurfs and other "allies", but there is also a rising of Economically Left-leaning/Socially Right-Leaning groups (almost like a mixture of Slavoj Zizek and Tucker Carlson). Have you encountered these people? What is the final solution?

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thefederalist.com/2018/09/06/transgender-new-anorexia/
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Jayden Johnson
Jayden Johnson

Homosexuality is a mental illness lol. People are so delusional.
(USER WAS FUCKED IN THE ASS BY A MAN FOR THIS POST)

Benjamin Rodriguez
Benjamin Rodriguez

No, destroy rightists

Sebastian Reed
Sebastian Reed

all those people are gay, user.

Nicholas Bell
Nicholas Bell

What does sexual orientation and the belief in the nuclear family do to inhibit the liberation of the proletariat through labor law reform?

Hudson Brooks
Hudson Brooks

If you don’t care about liberating all proles you are not a communist and I’d fight any fucking communist to the death if their utopia still oppresses my people I shit you not

Dominic Gomez
Dominic Gomez


Some would say you are an infiltrator used to discredit Left-Wing Ideology. They would say you are promoting a hivemind. Who decides what is Right and what is Wrong? To a Christian, homosexuality is wrong. That same Christian does not need to be a staunch capitalist who thinks corporations should be free from government regulation.

Either way, you rhetoric to "destroy him, reee" could be seen as infiltrate&discredit.

Joseph Cook
Joseph Cook

Some would say
They would be reactionary faggots, so pathetic as to attempt smuggling their idpol into more successful political tendencies in the hope it get nodded through

Parker White
Parker White

Who determines Right and Wrong? You?

Connor Lee
Connor Lee

It doesn't matter, its not a question of right and wrong.

Ayden Johnson
Ayden Johnson

Deflection
Who determines Detrimental vs Beneficial? You?

Julian Green
Julian Green

"I am a marxist with a materialist worldview but for some reason I hate gays lmao they go gulag."

Part of being a communist is not being a fucking idiot. Why would any communist be against gays? It's stupid.

Joshua White
Joshua White

Red Herring

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

So to answer my question, You decide what is Detrimental or Beneficial? The idea behind communism is a utopia.

Alexander Cox
Alexander Cox

Why are you faggots obsessed with the nuclear family when it's literally a degenerate structure that goes against your MUH TRIBE autism.

Julian Davis
Julian Davis

Who the fuck are you talking to lol

Samuel Bailey
Samuel Bailey

strawman
1 man, 1 woman, life partners. Radical notion.

Jacob Mitchell
Jacob Mitchell

What does 'anti-homosexuality' mean?

Lincoln Watson
Lincoln Watson

To a Christian

Religion is bad dumbfuck

Zachary Reyes
Zachary Reyes

You decide what is Detrimental or Beneficial?
Yes.

Kayden Bailey
Kayden Bailey

It sounds like you guys are the only trying to push idpol into Left-Wing ideology. No, someone against Corporations and for Communal Regulation does NOT need to think the same as you about Homosexuality. It is entirely possible to be anti-Capitalist and simultaneously believe Homosexuality is Detrimental to the good of society.

Jacob Young
Jacob Young

only some of the proles should be liberated
fuck off

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

Homosexuality is Detrimental to the good of society.
Why?

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

It is possible for someone to believe that and not be a Capitalist. Stop trying to change the discourse.

Julian Hall
Julian Hall

You can think whatever retarded shit you want faggot, no one is stopping you. But if you talk shit you get hit and if you try to restrict people's liberty you're getting put in the labour camp. Simple.

Jeremiah Fisher
Jeremiah Fisher

only the pro-Homosexual proles should be liberated

Nathaniel Thompson
Nathaniel Thompson

reee i will beat u up
Wew.

Angel Turner
Angel Turner

things no one ever said or implied

Grayson Lopez
Grayson Lopez

Politics is violence, get used to it debate club nerd.

Jack Reed
Jack Reed

Delusional.

Alexander Baker
Alexander Baker

How about you goofballs stop giving these freaks even more power by using these corrupted terms? It's called sodomy, it always was called sodomy, and it always will be called sodomy. It's a sin, it's suicidal, it's contagious, it's absolutely disgusting, and it's been weaponized as a political, religious and biological weapon against the future of the human species.

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Zachary Cook
Zachary Cook

Well I need to know why it's bad for society. If it actually happens to be then I need to take it into consideration instead of ignoring sexuality.

Connor Thomas
Connor Thomas

So hateful.

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

Ad hominem
i win

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

muh feels
sorry faggot, facts don't care about your feelings :^)

Jason Evans
Jason Evans

I was shown this.

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Jacob Brooks
Jacob Brooks

Seriously what's so bad about butt fucking?

Kevin Russell
Kevin Russell

rabidly defending homosexuality
liberally calls people 'faggot'

Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson

stats with no relation to each other proving nothing
???

Samuel Miller
Samuel Miller

What of it faggot?

Parker Murphy
Parker Murphy

Correlation =/= causation
Gonna need some more concrete evidence.

Ryder Williams
Ryder Williams

literally can't into basic math
Stop making Left-Wing look bad.

You're saying being a faggot is a bad thing, fool.

Nolan Clark
Nolan Clark

This isn't a matter of dissecting Correlation/Causation, it's probability. Try again.

Sebastian Brooks
Sebastian Brooks

I'm calling you a faggot because you're a faggot, faggot. Gays are cool.

Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

faggots are bad
faggots are good
Mentally ill.

Bentley Cruz
Bentley Cruz

No freedom for the enemies of freedom.

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Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

no u

Carter Sullivan
Carter Sullivan

As in why are those stats like that?
May as well say we should ban blacks bc of the whole 13% argument.
Will banning homosexuality even have an impact?

I need evidence that being gay somehow makes you a molster.

Connor Green
Connor Green

faggots are u
u are faggot
fix'd

Easton Walker
Easton Walker

Show me how the conclusion follows from the premises. There is no reason why a child molester targeting male children has to identify or self-report as homosexual

Leo Phillips
Leo Phillips

/pol/yp gets btfo'd immediately and resorts to schizo-posting artefact-ridden jpegs
lol

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

Do you believe that child molestation is purely gender based and not a result of a sick piece of shit raping whoever is available?

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

Interesting field of study. I highly doubt you actually care for the answer.

Lincoln Walker
Lincoln Walker

It's a perverse corruption of the most crucial act of survival…procreation. It creates deadly diseases, it's creates mental problems,it destroys the natural attraction to the opposite sex (which means suicide), it creates victim and perpetrator mentalities, it encourages pedophilia, and it's been used to attack the natural order. It's sterile sex based on lust and domination, it's entirely hedonistic, it degrades the sexual act into butt pumping, and the consequences are getting worse and worse depending on how often you do it.

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

I would actually.
Being gay myself, I need to see if I have some gene or something that will make me rape kids.

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

I'm not playing games with anyone about the homosexuality image I posted. It says what it says. Rather than address what it says, I see many of you are trying to counter-question with nonsense you heard effectively applied in other arguments. It's embarassing to see so many people who can't into basic math.

Furthermore, I said I was shown that image. Attack the issue, not me, or the structure of the delivery.

Josiah Edwards
Josiah Edwards

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Ethan Lee
Ethan Lee

Even if you're straight, sex can be reduced to hedonism. I don't think there's anything special about gays that makes them any more peverse than anyone else.

Justin Fisher
Justin Fisher

See

William Green
William Green

The graph shows data that implies gays rape children.
The question is what about gays makes them more prone to do so?
We need some fuckin studies on homosexual psychology lad. Liking men somehow makes you rape kids? It's gonna need an explination.

Caleb Hill
Caleb Hill

No. You don't have to like them but "homosexuality is bourgeois decadence" is just a leftist dressing on "faggots are degenerate."

Henry Gray
Henry Gray

literally can't into basic math
You're literally a "commies don't understand basic economics" tier dumbass.

Liam Barnes
Liam Barnes

You have brain damage if you think any of that retarded shit is true.

Easton Powell
Easton Powell

Research has overwhelmingly shown there is no correlation between homosexuality and child molestation, pedophiles who molest young boys are overwhelmingly not homosexual but either solely heterosexual in their adult relationships or solely attracted to kids.
researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children
(Freund et al., 1989).
Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases.
(Jenny et al., 1994).
175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males"
(Groth and Birnbaum, 1978)

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

Take your religious bullshit and fuck off

We don’t need this tradcath nonsense

Religion is a false consciousness

Chase Martinez
Chase Martinez

You realise that paedophiles don't target on their gender preferences? Also you have to be a fucking brainlet to think 50%+ of gays are child molesters. Knowing that they aren't, and also knowing that the math itself here isn't wrong means that a parameter used is the problem (that being the fact that pedo of boys =/= gay)

Jonathan Powell
Jonathan Powell

They still haven't found the homosexuality gene. There are spiritual answers, but I'm sure those don't interest you. Therefore, all we are left with are cold, clear statistical probability.

Is not the end state of the Socialist ideology to create the most ideal society possible? Based on math, science, and the study of what is Detrimental to humanity?

Daniel Nguyen
Daniel Nguyen

This isn't a matter of dissection Correlation/Causation. You are strawmanning/intentionally changing the discourse.

The fact is that 1/3 of molested children who come forward are boys.

Camden Sullivan
Camden Sullivan

What are the spiritual answers explaining why male penguins have gay sex and raise chicks together?

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

Is not the end state of the Socialist ideology to create the most ideal society possible?
No it isn't. Its to create a universal free association. Whether you consider that ideal or not is irrelevant.

Noah Flores
Noah Flores

ignores actual research cited that disproves the false assumptions his shitty infographic relies upon
delusional tbqh

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

penguins
…I don't think you want to hear the spiritual explanation. The Bible says they are animals, so your analogy fits…

Juan Lewis
Juan Lewis

The Bible

Nonsense text that contains talking animals and justifies incest and genocide, next

Adam Peterson
Adam Peterson

The fact is that 1/3 of molested children who come forward are boys.
The fact is also that extensive research has shown that homosexuals aren't the ones molesting young boys and that homosexuals aren't any more likely to be attracted to or to molest young boys.
You will of of course ignore these facts because you're not interested in the truth.

Robert Carter
Robert Carter

Then why was Anti-Semitism the 1st law enacted by Bolshevism & punishable by death?

ignoring that 1/3 of molested children are boys because discussion frightens you

Cameron Phillips
Cameron Phillips

Ironically priests are some of the world’s biggest kiddy-diddlers

Priests and bishops

Thomas Gonzalez
Thomas Gonzalez

Didn't I just say you didn't want to hear it?

"The fact is also that extensive research has shown that homosexuals aren't the ones molesting young boys"
It's amazing that you believe that.

Connor Hughes
Connor Hughes

Except that statistically atheists and jewish people are.

Brandon Bell
Brandon Bell

It's amazing that you believe that.
Its amazing that you ignore the research that has shown this to be true.

Robert Cook
Robert Cook

sex can be reduced to hedonism
Sex is about two opposites reacting with each other. That is according to natural laws. The way you see sex is not natural, it's part of social engineering being done to you. Birth control, pornography, deviancy, sexual freedom, the destruction of arranged marriages, feminism, homosexuality, transsexualism etc. These are all attacks against the natural order, which will lead to death. You were given the illusion of accepting freedom, but you will only self destruct following it.

Sex should always lead to procreation, because children will give you the responsibility to stop fucking around like a deranged monkey. Instead of a stable future you were sold a hedonistic lifestyle were nothing matters, and were you can self destruct to your hearts desire until you run out of options.

What you need to understand here is that it needs a healthy environment (family, race, culture, country, nation) to create the freedom that self destructive hedonists like you need to chase after their vices. And they use you to destroy that healthy environment to create a world full of hedonistic slaves…slaves to materialism, slaves that self destruct and that can easily be displaced like any commodity.

Ryan Perez
Ryan Perez

"Homosexuals are the ones molesting young boys"
Are you insane?

Kevin Watson
Kevin Watson

Then why was Anti-Semitism the 1st law enacted by Bolshevism & punishable by death?
The first Bolshevik law was the decree on peace calling for armistice in WW1 what the fuck are you talking about?

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

Aren't*

Landon Jones
Landon Jones

Not an argument, either address the facts or fuck off

John Roberts
John Roberts

Yes, it's called National Bolshevism

Joseph Walker
Joseph Walker

imagine being this dishonest
Trying to change the discourse again. Let's assume the antisemitism law was the 20th law passed. Now answer my question.

Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

Here I was expecting actual data and studies but all I got was a schitzo.
The lesson here is:
FUCK IDPOL

Jaxson Harris
Jaxson Harris

"Homosexuals are NOT the ones molesting boys"
Are you an idiot?

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

Lmao what ass did you pull that one from?

Michael Miller
Michael Miller

Do you understand per capita?

Joseph Flores
Joseph Flores

NAZBOL GANG
HOMOS ARE GAY

Austin Brown
Austin Brown

Homosexuality is just an anxiety disorder caused by men who want to experiment with their ass but are too afraid to do so. Homosexuality wouldn't exist if prostate massages weren't looked down upon. Ideally, women would do the massaging.

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

Trying to change the discourse again.
Sorry, you're the one bringing antisemitism up out of nowhere and making false statements about history.
Now answer my question.
What question? Why the bolsheviks made antisemitism illegal? Maybe because genocidal anti-jewish pogroms were happening and killing innocent people en masse and had to be stopped?

Brandon Fisher
Brandon Fisher

Calling myself a communist while obsessing about Sex to the point that I want to stop everyone from having sex except for procreation

Ah, so a dork, got it. Why not find some mind-numbing Cath board where you can all circlejerk about boring missionary sex solely for creation and never having enjoyment in life? Because communism isn’t about controlling what people do with their dicks and pussies.

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

race
idealised "natural state"
spooks
Fucking lmao

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

It's all based on nature and any hedonistic act is an act against nature, which will be punished by death.

I'm not religious at all, but the crux of "homosexuality" is not the the attraction to the same gender, it's the natural crime of sodomy that comes with a plethora of negative consequences. There is no excuse for the inhumane act of simulating intercourse by fucking an asshole. And religion got that one right…it's a deadly sin.

Ryder James
Ryder James

"Socialism is not about creating morally good society, but a free one."
"But we should make laws protecting certain groups, even though 89% of Russia's professional class was jewish."
Nice mental acrobatics.

Cameron Parker
Cameron Parker

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???
Sorry bub, facts don't care about your feelings, extensive scientific research debunks all your claims, acting incredulous about it is not an argument bucko

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Luke Nelson
Luke Nelson

laws protecting innocent people from being massacred aren't part of a free society
You seem to have a very strange idea of freedom

Jason Thompson
Jason Thompson

antisemitism such as "the talmud is bad" = massacre
You are special.

Noah Torres
Noah Torres

The soviets made it illegal to say the talmud is bad
lmao

Ian Murphy
Ian Murphy

/pol/yp's infographic gets debunked by research citations
"muh kiKEs, muh YiDs, muh kikes, muh jews!!"
pottery

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Oliver Morgan
Oliver Morgan

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
On 12 January 1931, Stalin gave the following answer to an inquiry on the subject of the Soviet attitude toward antisemitism from the Jewish News Agency in the United States:

National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

These "Jews" came from the Pale of Settlement. 5 studies done by Israeli scientists in the last 10 years have shown that they are Turkic-Ukranians- NOT semites.
1. Dr. Ariella Oppenheim says the average Palestinian has more Semitic DNA than 8 out of 9 "Israelis".
2. Dr. Shlomo Sand says the "Jewish people" are completely made up.
3. Dr. Arthur Koestler proved the "Jews" were made up in his book The 13th Tribe using archaeology, long before DNA science existed.
4. And the latest is as of 2017, echoing all the above claims, Dr. Eran Elhaik.

Benjamin Wright
Benjamin Wright

3* studies and 1 archaeology book from the 70's

Mason Evans
Mason Evans

So what?
Schizo ranting about how anti-semitism isn't real or jews aren't real because the group known as jews aren't actually semitic doesn't mean anything.
The fact is there's an ethnic group which is targeted by racist violence, this should be stopped. Your Stalin quote is entirely correct. Try to get your schizophrenia treated sometime.

Kayden Cooper
Kayden Cooper

This has nothing to do with politics, it's about a crime against nature that endangers not only the participant, but in today's world, everyone around them too.

boring missionary sex
This is not you speaking, this is social engineering taking over. There is nothing boring about intercourse. You only came to this absurd conclusion because you were bombarded with sex wherever you look. Advertisements, entertainment, school curriculum, politics, social pressure, free access to all the porn in the world, the internet dating hell of deranged sex addicts etc.

Tell me, what do you think you're getting out of this? This endless chasing through the bedrooms while leaving behind nothing but broken humans and fleeting impressions…towards what end? Drug addiction and death in your 40s? Nothing good can ever come from hedonism.

Procreation gives purpose, and the sex will be mutual and literally life changing. And soon you will be busy with a house full of kids, so that the idea living like a sex junkie, will not even cross your mind, instead you both will enjoy sex to relax and reaffirm your partnership.

Disprove the relevance of any of it. We are talking about procreation (and the crime against it) here, this is nature's home base.

Jeremiah Morris
Jeremiah Morris

schizo, schizo, schzio
Pathetic ad hominem (and projection considering Ashkenazi are 40x more likely to become diagnosed with schizophrenia). Dismissing someone as schizo because they debunk your entire premise is a loser's tactic.

No one was targetting jewish people in the days of the revolution. They were 89% of the professional class in St. Petersburg.

Leo Price
Leo Price

leftists are a bunch of homosexuals idpol pushiers that work inside the corporate system trying to subvert it, so its only natural that they like homosexuality. Regular people really dont like all this homosexual pushing by liberal and leftists and that weakens them. Whatever weakens communists is good in my book.

Michael Ramirez
Michael Ramirez

No one was targetting jewish people in the days of the revolution.
<In 1906 a series of pogroms affected 64 towns (including Odessa, Yekaterinoslav, Kiev, Kishinev, Simferopol, Romny, Kremenchug, Nikolayev, Chernigov, Kamenets-Podolski, Yelizavetgrad), and 626 small towns and villages, mostly in Ukraine and Bessarabia.
hmm, why are you lying so much?
They were 89% of the professional class in St. Petersburg.
proof?

Julian Rivera
Julian Rivera

Disprove the relevance of any of it.
Its on you to prove the relevance, one can't disprove relevance where none exists.

Joseph Bennett
Joseph Bennett

This has nothing to do with politics
Just up and lie like that
it's about a crime against nature that endangers not only the participant, but in today's world, everyone around them too.
what third world shit hole are you living in where condoms don't exist

Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

Condoms are immoral, they pervert the reproductive role of intercourse and encourage vapid hedonism.

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

antisemitic pogroms in Odessa, Yekaterinoslav, Kiev, Kishinev, Simferopol, Romny, Kremenchug, Nikolayev, Chernigov, Kamenets-Podolski, Yelizavetgrad)
Proof?

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Caleb Evans
Caleb Evans

Condoms are immoral, they pervert the reproductive role of intercourse and encourage vapid hedonism.
Right, and what's wrong with that?

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

7/8, not 8/9*

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

Nothing, since we dont need more people in this day and age. Degenerate lower class citizen will be sterilized and replaced with machines. So long for larping as communists. That battle was lost in the 1970's.

Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

Idpol is incompatible with leftism. This means that if you believe people should be ostracised for something as dumb as their sexual identity, you're not a leftist. Homosexuality simply shouldn't be an issue to you.
Seeing other people obsess over homosexuality one way or the other might very well be an issue, because this distracts them from true political struggle.

Aaron Miller
Aaron Miller

Regular people really dont like all this homosexual pushing by liberal and leftists and that weakens them.
Regular non-idpol obsessed people are fine with homosexuality though. It's weird idpol-filled religious beliefs that make them oppose it.

Andrew Ramirez
Andrew Ramirez

Regular non-idpol people are fine with homosexuality as long as it doesnt affect their lives and their children. They dont mind it being displayed around but they dont like if it is promoted.

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

Proof?
L. Khazanovich, The Pogroms in the Ukraine (1927)
The ludicrous claim doesn't bear out the data in the actual 1987 census that is cited and your entirely baseless screeching about petrograd professionals is nonsense especially when you take into account that 98% of russian jews lived in the pale and were overwhelmingly rural.

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Jose Scott
Jose Scott

I am neutral to this issue even if there is a way to fix it is discovered in future.

Austin Jones
Austin Jones

Arranged marriages are social engineering though, not that that is necessarily a bad thing.
hedonistic lifestyle were nothing matters, and were you can self destruct to your hearts desire
god i wish that were me

Gavin Bell
Gavin Bell

Well, left was anti homosexual for a long time. So basically you can say it is compatible with leftism

Lucas Ramirez
Lucas Ramirez

Homosexuality has nothing to do with leftism.

Jaxson Wood
Jaxson Wood

homosex is contagious
I wish.
I was shown this. What do you think of the research done by this university?
Resarchers at King's college investigated all child molestation cases in countries with more than 80% of the population identifying as Catholic. Around 50% of the cases involved a staff member of the Catholic church, despite them being less than .1% of the population. Doing statistics and maths and other sciency things, the head researcher of King's college, Dr. Hayao Miyasaki PhD Md MrSD BAs determined that the Catholic church was detrimental to society and members should be shot on sight.
finally some fucking sense.
I'm not religious. I'm not /pol/. I swear.
muh sins
muh "natural laws" that happen to coincide with the bible
muh sex is only for procreation, but this is not christian ideology
muh perservation of my vapid McDonald culture
muh race
muh jews are bad
perhaps it was compatible at some point, but after advances in natural science, psychology, and materialist analysis, it no longer is.

Mason Anderson
Mason Anderson

Both those statements are vague as fuck. What's the difference between coming into contact with homosexuality and being affected by it? What's the difference between displaying homosexuality and "promoting" it?
You sound like you've been swayed by right-wing "gay agenda" bullshit.
You can be left-wing while having some beliefs that run counter to leftism.

Andrew Wilson
Andrew Wilson

everything I don't like is CIA
be they an ML, Anarkiddie, MTW etc, no one is willing to admit that its possible that earnest socialists can sometimes buy into liberal bullshit.There is a good enough chance your Wobbly book club attended by six people is filled with idpolers because they are retarded, not because they're infiltrators. I'm not trying to downplay the very real issue of police/gov't fuckery in left-wing orgs and movements, but screeching "muh glow in the dark" gives off a really culty vibe, when socialism is a mass movement that is supposed to draw in the majority of the population. Being a paranoid, schismatic autist won't encourage radlibs to dump their stupid beliefs.

Henry Barnes
Henry Barnes

Communism was never about sexual morality you fucking nutcase

Angel Bell
Angel Bell

There are not any proof to determine the homosexuality is natural in a materialist way, and it's viable without capitalism.

If you think behaviour is defineted by gens, you're not materialist and marxist you're contrary to. The next steap is argue the egoism is mankind's naturayl.

The left is not just one ideolgy or thougth, so dependet what 'left' mean for you, for example for anarchists, the asnwer should be 'yes', but for marxist-leninist, must be a denial, so there are no consensus on the left with this and other topics.

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Zachary Cooper
Zachary Cooper

I'm not even sure where to begin here. The idea that open homosexuals are committing 1 in 3 child abuses is rather absurd.

Blake Cruz
Blake Cruz

natural
materialist
pick one

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

natural in a materialist way
Meaningless.

Brandon Thompson
Brandon Thompson

Supportsing homos are trannies makes us look bad and wastes time defending them which could be better spent do many other things.

Anthony Collins
Anthony Collins

then there is no reason not to suppress it

Lucas Ramirez
Lucas Ramirez

Former board owner is a tranny homo. So i conclude that this board is full of trannies and homos.

Tyler Rivera
Tyler Rivera

Yeah but fighting against disenfranchised bigots is so much easier than abolishing capitalism. If we turn being against discrimination into our main shtick we can get votes without having to do anything. Forget all this socialist bullshit, what we really need is trans rights. Leave economics to the neoliberals, they totally seem to know what they're doing.

Angel Harris
Angel Harris

How about solidarity?

Benjamin Nguyen
Benjamin Nguyen

just saying "solidarity" is no reason to allow self destructive behavior

Austin Brooks
Austin Brooks

The only destructive behavior comes from insane fucktard larpers like you

William Johnson
William Johnson

Self-destructive behaviour would be to unnecessarily stifle your sexual urges.

Luke Bailey
Luke Bailey

The only destructive behavior comes from insane fucktard larpers like you
lol what is this butthurt all the sudden

Parker Jackson
Parker Jackson

Self-destructive behaviour would be to unnecessarily stifle your sexual urges.
do you have any proof of this?

Elijah Fisher
Elijah Fisher

If you think behaviour is defineted by gens, you're not materialist and marxist you're contrary to
May be my english wans't enougth good to explain the materialism has nothing to do with the 'natural behaviour idea' where you born whit this homosexual, egoist or whatever behavior, is contrary to marxism.

Andrew Taylor
Andrew Taylor

That doesn't make sense.

Mason White
Mason White

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Well established model in psychology. Sexual desires being met provides a stronger basis for building self-esteem and self-actualisation.

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Brody Morgan
Brody Morgan

Both those statements are vague as fuck. What's the difference between coming into contact with homosexuality and being affected by it?

Simply when the states and companies start normalizing displays of flamboyant degenerate homosexuality in public as normal. Unlike just desplaying homosexuals as regular people that fuck people of the same sex in the privacy of their home.

Aaron Morgan
Aaron Morgan

muh "natural laws" that happen to coincide with the bible
Wrong. The laws of nature are the opposite of what the bible teaches, which is by design to control mankind. The laws of nature dictate adaptation for survival, which means the endless quest for knowledge. Religions demand the opposite…unquestionable believe. That is totally against nature and proves the entire religious construct as a lie.

muh sex is only for procreation, but this is not christian ideology
Nobody said "only", but sodomy makes a mockery out of the natural act of surviving…procreation. This is the only way any life can overcome death, and thereby sterile sex is self destructive hedonism. Then again nature also dictates that "opposites must always coexist", which means it's all about balance aka the natural order. Now sodomy has nothing to do with keeping any order, since it destroys the perpetrator, the victim, it spreads and it tries to corrupt and undermine the natural order.

Justin Murphy
Justin Murphy

I don't disagree with you. Pride parades are disgusting. But it isn't a problem of "flamboyant degenerate homosexuality." That's just reactionary bullshit.

Jackson Cook
Jackson Cook

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Well established model in psychology. Sexual desires being met provides a stronger basis for building self-esteem and self-actualisation.
Prove Maslow's Hierarchy of needs isn't a spook.

Even if we are to accept this, the negative impact of homosexuality is worse than the positive impact. From a utilitarian perspective the most logical thing to do is to suppress homosexuality

Lincoln Bailey
Lincoln Bailey

I don't disagree with you. Pride parades are disgusting. But it isn't a problem of "flamboyant degenerate homosexuality." That's just reactionary bullshit.
not an argument though

Ryan Bailey
Ryan Bailey

Im just telling you what regular people think. I honestly dont care about stopping degeneracy. Degeneracy is helpful agaisnt communism. One of the biggest mistakes the communist ever made is to adopt liberal values. But its not like they can chose their battles much after state capitalism defeated every other system.

Bentley Price
Bentley Price

what regular people think
Most gay people don't care what other people think of them. Like, it doesn't get you anywhere to care since straight people treat gay people with double standards. Go to any Spring Break beach weekend in the U.S. and it's a twerk party. We gay people are not going to be bound by these hypocritical standards and there's nothing you can do about it, and for that I am sorry.
One of the biggest mistakes the communist ever made is to adopt liberal values. But its not like they can chose their battles much after state capitalism defeated every other system.
You seem to be a reactionary, but if so, any communist who listens to you is selling their soul to the devil by doing this.

There have always been contradictions within the bourgeoisie and communists have always tried to take advantage of these splits. One contradiction between the bourgeoisie now I think is whether open racism should be acceptable or not. I saw a similar contradiction over same-sex marriage rights, which was a political demand. Eventually a lot of big corporations came around to supporting it – they tended to be in the urban service industries, finance and tech, etc. It was pretty remarkable seeing these floats during Pride sponsored by Wells Fargo and so on. But the effect of the legalization of same-sex marriage was positive for workers, because it created more unity among workers.

Like, when I was younger, I would've been much more inclined to automatically rally around somebody like Pete Buttigieg on account of us both being gay, and because of him supporting my political demand for same-sex marriage rights. But now that the demand has been granted, that is not so much of an issue. My gay socialist friends for instance call him all kinds of horrible names. Like, now it's: who gives a fuck if he's gay? I don't have anything in common with him in terms of class. This has become much more apparent to me as a gay person since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Like he's my class enemy, basically, who incidentally happens to be gay.

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Landon Robinson
Landon Robinson

From AI Thread
The most homosexual of all political ideologies is fascism, because it gives preference to the interests of homosexual groups, and also seeks to create a fascist elite of homosexuals who will dominate the country.

The homosexual elites of Europe have created a new type of oligarchic form of organization, like the British oligarchs of the olden days, who in order to maintain their position as a powerful ruling class, will seek to rule over the masses through psychological warfare, by the blackmail, fear mongering, and coercion of its members.

This homosexual-dominated oligarchy is to be distinguished from the "liberal" oligarchy of the olden days, in which the individual and family are free to become as much as they wish, and all the decisions of their actions are respected by their fellow-men, because the society as a whole is not politically motivated, only in

Connor Foster
Connor Foster

This is not actually the case with fascism, which is the most homophobic of political ideologies (to the extent that is an ideology). But fascism is an extremely homosocial environment based on excluding women and shutting them into homes to be homemakers, and having men all live together in the barracks, basically – this sets off "gay panic" as the close proximity of men raises the potential for homosexual contact; hence extreme homophobia to counteract for this tendency.

It's a similar reason why homophobia intensified in the Victorian era as Imperial Britain became increasingly focused on warmaking. Homosexuality points to the possibility of male relationships that are not strictly competitive in nature, based on the domination of men by other men and so on.

It happens to be incidentally true that fascism looks extremely homoerotic, but this has as much in common with homosexuality as the Village People do with being construction workers and police officers so on. In both cases the fascists and the homosexuals are role-playing forms of masculinity.

Liam Kelly
Liam Kelly

Prove Maslow's Hierarchy of needs isn't a spook.
It's a model that gives us the necessary preconditions for the actualisation of the ego. Quite literally the opposite of a spook.
the negative impact of homosexuality is worse than the positive impact
What "negative impact"? There is none. We're talking about adults having some fun in their bedroom.
This is the reason got pissed at you. You simply assert homosexuality is self-destructive, as if everyone should immediately give you a round of applause for that brilliant insight. Give me some proof. Prove that homosexuality is self-destructive.
Two ways in which the statement makes no sense to a leftist :
1. You yourself have stated that the problem isn't men fucking other men. Thus we should conclude that "homosexuality," whatever kind it might be, isn't the problem. Nevertheless you keep insisting that "flamboyant degenerate homosexuality" is the problem.
2. "Degeneracy" isn't a left-wing category. It cannot be. For something to "degenerate" into something bad, there must be some past state that was inherently good. Leftists categorically oppose that idea. To us, the previous state of society was already inherently corrupt, and "degeneration" is simply the unfolding of this corruption. This unfolding is good. It allows us to tackle the problem and move towards something better.

Aiden Rogers
Aiden Rogers

Spring Break beach weekend in the U.S. and it's a twerk party.

Well i dont live in the usa, so take that as you will.

You seem to be a reactionary, but if so, any communist who listens to you is selling their soul to the devil by doing this.

There have always been contradictions within the bourgeoisie and communists have always tried to take advantage of these splits. One contradiction between the bourgeoisie now I think is whether open racism should be acceptable or not. I saw a similar contradiction over same-sex marriage rights, which was a political demand. Eventually a lot of big corporations came around to supporting it – they tended to be in the urban service industries, finance and tech, etc. It was pretty remarkable seeing these floats during Pride sponsored by Wells Fargo and so on. But the effect of the legalization of same-sex marriage was positive for workers, because it created more unity among workers.

Like, when I was younger, I would've been much more inclined to automatically rally around somebody like Pete Buttigieg on account of us both being gay, and because of him supporting my political demand for same-sex marriage rights. But now that the demand has been granted, that is not so much of an issue. My gay socialist friends for instance call him all kinds of horrible names. Like, now it's: who gives a fuck if he's gay? I don't have anything in common with him in terms of class. This has become much more apparent to me as a gay person since the same-sex marriage issue was settled. Like he's my class enemy, basically, who incidentally happens to be gay.

Well, i dont mind any of this. If you decide to make your movement weak, its none of my bussiness. I rather encourage you to keep this path. I'm just a powergrabber oportunist and so is the rest of my family. We are shapeshifters and we do whatever is in vogue to keep power. We dont care about ideology. That is for the weak.

Drugs, degenerate music, promotion of nihilism and hedonism, destruction of the family. All those things are beneficial to us. We have never had an easier time to keep control of the masses.

Brandon Mitchell
Brandon Mitchell

You sound like a Bond villain or something. Anyways I'm going to hang out a gay bar this weekend – it's going to be fun!!!

Nathan Clark
Nathan Clark

ok, have fun.

Jaxson Harris
Jaxson Harris

It happens to be incidentally true that fascism looks extremely homoerotic
How can you dispel that as a mere incident? Fascism is all about aesthetics. The fact that these aesthetics are homoerotic must mean something.
Two further points:
- Fascism is all about being dominated by someone bigger and stronger than you. Fascists want to be disciplined by daddy state. There's obviously a sexual element to this.
- Fascism is etymologically cognate to faggotry. Make of that what you will.

Ryder Fisher
Ryder Fisher

It's a model that gives us the necessary preconditions for the actualisation of the ego. Quite literally the opposite of a spook.
But "actualisation" and ego are immaterial you cannot prove they exist.

What "negative impact"? There is none. We're talking about adults having some fun in their bedroom.
wrong.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3805037/

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

1. You yourself have stated that the problem isn't men fucking other men. Thus we should conclude that "homosexuality," whatever kind it might be, isn't the problem. Nevertheless you keep insisting that "flamboyant degenerate homosexuality" is the problem.
flamboyant degenerate homosexuality are men who have sex with me

2. "Degeneracy" isn't a left-wing category.
there are no "leftwing categories"

It cannot be. For something to "degenerate" into something bad, there must be some past state that was inherently good
yes it can

Leftists categorically oppose that idea.
Opposing that idea came about from last centuries post structuralists

To us, the previous state of society was already inherently corrupt, and "degeneration" is simply the unfolding of this corruption. This unfolding is good. It allows us to tackle the problem and move towards something better.
This is a misrepresentation

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

Homosexuality is inherently fascist. Stalin knew this

Samuel Gomez
Samuel Gomez

Any proof of Stalin thinking or knowing that?

Eli Lee
Eli Lee

hOmOsExUaLiTy Is BoUrGeOiS dEcAdEnCe
Enforcing any kind of normative family structure on the people is bourgeois moralism.

Juan Wood
Juan Wood

But "actualisation" and ego are immaterial you cannot prove they exist.
Do you even know what a spook is?
Global epidemiology of HIV infection in men who have sex with men
Lmao. How about they wear a condom?
Opposing that idea came about from last centuries post structuralists
No. Marx took it from Hegel. It's called the materialist dialectic. The inherent contradictions of one social order resolve themselves into a new social order.

Joshua Hernandez
Joshua Hernandez

Do you even know what a spook is?
seems like you don't

Lmao. How about they wear a condom?
but they don't

Colton Walker
Colton Walker

Any structure that protects the individuals from corporations makes corporations weaker, that's why the elimination of such social groups is important for corporations. Taht includes unions, families (be it extended or not) etc. As myself and my family benefits from taxation from these corporations and are smart enought to keep the structures that protect us from such corporations, i dont mind them doing what they do.

Jeremiah Harris
Jeremiah Harris

seems like you don't
You're literally claiming that serving the Ego is a spook. That's ridiculous.
but they don't
And who are "they" exactly? The gay Jews trying to kill off the white race?

Nathaniel Wood
Nathaniel Wood

What a shame that leftypol is actually a community of mentally sane people so your bait gets saged

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

You're literally claiming that serving the Ego is a spook. That's ridiculous.
Not what I'm saying at all.

And who are "they" exactly? The gay Jews trying to kill off the white race?
do you not have reading comprehension

Global epidemiology of HIV infection in men who have sex with men
Lmao. How about they wear a condom?
but they don't

Brody Lewis
Brody Lewis

do you not have reading comprehension
I do have reading comprehension. You don't have critical thinking skills. Who are the "they" that are having unprotected sex? Are they the entire demographic of active homosexuals. No… They're a very specific subset. Yet you elevate them into a "they" that should determine our entire moral position.
We agree. Having unprotected sex with lots of different partners is bad. That "they" aren't doing it is a bad thing. What does this have to do with homosexuality? You're exactly like a right-winger saying we should ban Islam because "they" are starting child sex rings.

You, on the contrary, do seem to be incapable of reading comprehension.
Prove Maslow's Hierarchy of needs isn't a spook.
It's a model that gives us the necessary preconditions for the actualisation of the ego. Quite literally the opposite of a spook.
But "actualisation" and ego are immaterial you cannot prove they exist.
How is this not claiming that serving the Ego is a spook. Explain that to me.

Matthew Adams
Matthew Adams

I do have reading comprehension. You don't have critical thinking skills.
doesn't seem like it lol
Who are the "they" that are having unprotected sex?
People contracting STDs

Are they the entire demographic of active homosexuals. No… They're a very specific subset. Yet you elevate them into a "they" that should determine our entire moral position.
I said nothing of morality here.

We agree. Having unprotected sex with lots of different partners is bad. That "they" aren't doing it is a bad thing. What does this have to do with homosexuality? You're exactly like a right-winger saying we should ban Islam because "they" are starting child sex rings.
putting quotes over words is not an argument.
Like I said from the beginning. the negative impact of homosexuality is worse than the positive impact. From a utilitarian perspective the most logical thing to do is to suppress homosexuality

Angel Smith
Angel Smith

There are not any proof to determine the homosexuality is natural in a materialist way and it's viable without capitalism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

Imagine being this retarded.

Jaxson Murphy
Jaxson Murphy

this whole thread
Glad I stopped giving the LGBT community attention a long time ago, idpol belongs in the trash

Joseph Rivera
Joseph Rivera

Who are the "they" that are having unprotected sex?
People contracting STDs
And then…
the negative impact of homosexuality is worse than the positive impact
The only way you're able to connect "people contacting STDs" with "homosexuality" is through a magical "they" that equates these two groups.

Like I said from the beginning.
That's precisely the problem. You can do nothing except say it over and over again.

I said nothing of morality here.
Three sentences later…
Like I said from the beginning. […] From a utilitarian perspective […]
Interesting how that works out. Isn't utilitarianism a moral philosophy?

Gabriel Parker
Gabriel Parker

Who are the "they" that are having unprotected sex?

People contracting STDs

And then…

the negative impact of homosexuality is worse than the positive impact

The only way you're able to connect "people contacting STDs" with "homosexuality" is through a magical "they" that equates these two groups.
Yes right here
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3805037/

That's precisely the problem. You can do nothing except say it over and over again.
this is just butthurt

Interesting how that works out. Isn't utilitarianism a moral philosophy?
no

Carson Hill
Carson Hill

banned for being right
Sad. Whatever happened to the Zig Forums I knew? It was a bastion of free speech!

Oh. Wait. No, you guys always sucked cock. Who am I thinking of? /b2/, maybe?

Joseph Russell
Joseph Russell

Former BO is a tranny and sucked cock on camera

Kevin Scott
Kevin Scott

Yes right here
Global epidemiology of HIV infection in men who have sex with men
We've established that it happens among homosexuals. You don't need to keep repeating that. What I want to know is why you're so insistent that the problems of those homosexuals who engage in unprotected casual sex should be considered the problems of all homosexuals. You've only connected these groups with an ambiguous "they." What's so difficult to understand about this?

Interesting how that works out. Isn't utilitarianism a moral philosophy?
no
Meanwhile…
Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy:
Utilitarianism is one of the best known and most influential moral theories.
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:
Utilitarianism is one of the most powerful and persuasive approaches to normative ethics in the history of philosophy.
Penguin Dictionary of Philosophy:
A moral theory according to which an action is right if and only if it conforms to the principle of utility.
I can keep citing sources if you want. They all say the same thing.

Ayden Mitchell
Ayden Mitchell

We've established that it happens among homosexuals. You don't need to keep repeating that. What I want to know is why you're so insistent that the problems of those homosexuals who engage in unprotected casual sex should be considered the problems of all homosexuals. You've only connected these groups with an ambiguous "they." What's so difficult to understand about this?
if you bothered to open the article you'd see how much homosexuals contribute to the problem

Interesting how that works out. Isn't utilitarianism a moral philosophy?

no

Meanwhile…

Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

Utilitarianism is one of the best known and most influential moral theories.

Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

Utilitarianism is one of the most powerful and persuasive approaches to normative ethics in the history of philosophy.

Penguin Dictionary of Philosophy:

A moral theory according to which an action is right if and only if it conforms to the principle of utility.

I can keep citing sources if you want. They all say the same thing.


unless you're considering all statements statements of morality

reels>feels is not really morality but ok

Joshua Adams
Joshua Adams

if you bothered to open the article you'd see how much homosexuals contribute to the problem
Again, you're trying to weasel out of this with ambiguous language. What you just said can be interpreted in two ways.
1. "how much [people who happen to be] homosexuals contribute to the problem"
2. "how much [all] homosexuals contribute to the problem"
The first is what you learn from the article. The second is what you conclude to be the case. It doesn't follow.
unless you're considering all statements statements of morality
You were making a claim based on utilitarianism the whole time. Utilitarianism is a moral theory. Ergo you were making a moral claim the whole time.

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Caleb Jenkins
Caleb Jenkins

Monogamous gay couples are good for society because they can adopt and give a loving home to children that would otherwise be wards of the state or in orphanages

Liam Bailey
Liam Bailey

Again, you're trying to weasel out of this with ambiguous language. What you just said can be interpreted in two ways.

1. "how much [people who happen to be] homosexuals contribute to the problem"

2. "how much [all] homosexuals contribute to the problem"

The first is what you learn from the article. The second is what you conclude to be the case. It doesn't follow.
it does though. Homosexuality does more harm then good.

You were making a claim based on utilitarianism the whole time. Utilitarianism is a moral theory. Ergo you were making a moral claim the whole time.
False

Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

nuclear family

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Chase Lee
Chase Lee

Capitalism destroys the family socialism will restore it

Justin Bell
Justin Bell

The family is the origin of notions of property, and thus of capitalism. The family must be abolished and substituted with the wider community.

Christian Robinson
Christian Robinson

That's the thing with you monkeys, but people don't actually exist in a vacuum like you're trying to show here, tell me where was I strawmaning exactly, you absolute retard?

Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

The family existed before capitalism and will exist after capitalism

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

The family as we know it did not exist in primitive communism, only with the onset of property did the family come about

Evan Bell
Evan Bell

And?

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

The fact is also that extensive research has shown that homosexuals aren't the ones molesting young boys

Extensive research has also shown that homosexuals aren't the ones sucking dicks in glory holes. Those are all straight men.

James Clark
James Clark

Proles are overwhelmingly not gay, homosexuality is bougeois

Angel Morales
Angel Morales

The extended family, not the nuclear

Ethan Wilson
Ethan Wilson

<Bro straight people are the real homos

Owen Perry
Owen Perry

there isn't much difference

Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

Holy shit dude you should write an essay with these argumentation skills.

A well-formed propositional argument countering arguments and citing articles.

No I'm right.

Why even bother posting if you don't have an argument and have no intention of changing your mind.

Austin King
Austin King

There's a whole lot of difference. The extended family has more or less been the dominant model since before capitalism. The nuclear family is a modern conception. Communists tend to be for the extended family, not the nuclear. Or rather, communists don't see the conditions which allow for the existence of the nuclear family post-capitalism.

Matthew Martinez
Matthew Martinez

Holy shit dude you should write an essay with these argumentation skills.
lol this level of butthurt


A well-formed propositional argument countering arguments and citing articles.
except you didn't do this

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

There's a whole lot of difference
such as?

The extended family has more or less been the dominant model since before capitalism. The nuclear family is a modern conception. Communists tend to be for the extended family, not the nuclear. Or rather, communists don't see the conditions which allow for the existence of the nuclear family post-capitalism.
the extended family still exists they just don't live in the same house that much any more. There is no reason for the nuclear family not to exist post capitalism

Ayden Kelly
Ayden Kelly

except you didn't do this
They didn't. That's not me. I've given up on you.

Christian Sanders
Christian Sanders

They didn't. That's not me. I've given up on you.
Oh ran out of defenses of faggots?

homophiles btfo

Elijah Peterson
Elijah Peterson

such as?
They are literally different models. The extended family collectively assists in the raising of children and engages in sharing responsibilities and resources between relatives. The nuclear family exists as a single unit of parents caring for the children and is what most western capitalist countries are built around. It may receive some help from relatives, but this isn't core part of the structure itself and occurs in an inconsistent fashion, while the extended has the relatives assisting and being an integral part of the family from day one.
the extended family still exists they just don't live in the same house that much any more.
If they aren't in continual engagement with each other in both the sharing of resources and the raising of children/caring of elders, it isn't really much of an extended family.
There is no reason for the nuclear family not to exist post capitalism
I guess we'll have to see then, but I doubt it.

Jason Carter
Jason Carter

Do you come from a broken family, user?

Angel Perry
Angel Perry

They are literally different models. The extended family collectively assists in the raising of children and engages in sharing responsibilities and resources between relatives. The nuclear family exists as a single unit of parents caring for the children and is what most western capitalist countries are built around.
This isn't true in the slightest only on rare occasions do the extended family play no part in the lives of children in modern day capitalist countries despite being organized into a nuclear family.

If they aren't in continual engagement with each other in both the sharing of resources and the raising of children/caring of elders, it isn't really much of an extended family.
yes it is.

I guess we'll have to see then, but I doubt it.
ok so you have no argument

Isaiah Garcia
Isaiah Garcia

I should ask you the same question though, since there must be a reason for your obsession with the nuclear family, it's like Amerikan mongrels being obsessed with whiteness.
On the other hand I grew up in a very healthy family with both my uncles and their families living in houses across and next to our own.

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

This isn't true in the slightest only on rare occasions do the extended family play no part in the lives of children in modern day capitalist countries despite being organized into a nuclear family.
What? I literally just said the extended family consistently plays a part in the raising of children. Unless you're now conflating it with the nuclear family, which it doesn't. Last I checked, the nuclear family contains within it no obligation to care or assist in the raising of other related children, not the caretaking of older member. This may at times be done as a courtesy, but it does not make up a core component of the structure.
yes it is.
No, it is not.
ok so you have no argument
I simply have doubts about it's continued existence. If the material conditions during socialism allow for its propagation, then sure. But given that nearly every previous system did not utilize the nuclear family model, not even primitive communism, I'll keep my reservations regarding it.

Austin Harris
Austin Harris

What? I literally just said the extended family consistently plays a part in the raising of children. Unless you're now conflating it with the nuclear family, which it doesn't. Last I checked, the nuclear family contains within it no obligation to care or assist in the raising of other related children, not the caretaking of older member. This may at times be done as a courtesy, but it does not make up a core component of the structure.
Simply organizing into a nuclear family does not mean that the older members play a minor role.
Even then the nuclear family and the extended family have little difference between the two

yes it is.
No, it is not
not an argument

I simply have doubts about it's continued existence. If the material conditions during socialism allow for its propagation, then sure. But given that nearly every previous system did not utilize the nuclear family model, not even primitive communism, I'll keep my reservations regarding it.
there is no reason to think it would not continue.

Caleb Jackson
Caleb Jackson

Simply organizing into a nuclear family does not mean that the older members play a minor role.
The point is that it is not their obligation to play a role nor is the family structured around them playing one. The extended family necessitates a role being played. The nuclear family has such a role remain optional and it is not required to have any engagement occur for it to be a nuclear family.
not an argument
Still no argument on your part for it.
there is no reason to think it would not continue.
Except for a majority of the non-western world barely even utlizing it and nearly every socialist country being majority extended family. It might exist in the same capacity communal families exist, that being a niche model that is adopted by a select few communities, but it certainly don't see it being dominant. The only populations that primarily utilize it as the dominant model are western capitalist countries and only within the last few centuries and only within certain countries/areas. Most of Europe are stem families, and the further east you go the more communitarian you get.

Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

natural in a materialist way

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Elijah Wilson
Elijah Wilson

Cockshott pointed out that the majority of male homosexuals use the time and resources that heterosexuals invest in raising their young towards advancing their careers and hedonism. It's pretty bourgie to go grab a larger slice of the resource pie and shirk your societal responsibility to raise the next generation of workers.

Also, with apologies to comrades here, the majority of male homosexuals seem only interested in pursuing their desire for sodomy and not in reforming the socio-economic system. The "gay liberation" movements of the 70s dropped their anti-capitalism creedo like a hot potato when mainstream political organisations opened their doors. Thus was Reagan able to figuratively sodomize the poor without resistance.

Brody Lopez
Brody Lopez

Cockshott pointed out that the majority of male homosexuals use the time and resources that heterosexuals invest in raising their young towards advancing their careers and hedonism. It's pretty bourgie to go grab a larger slice of the resource pie and shirk your societal responsibility to raise the next generation of workers.
He does propose multiple solutions to this though.

Grayson Russell
Grayson Russell

The "gay liberation" movements of the 70s dropped their anti-capitalism creedo like a hot potato
like every other movement ever, this isn't endemic to gay people
movements getting coopted by capitalism is what happens to everything

Daniel Sanders
Daniel Sanders

caring about yourself and not wanting kids is bourgie
societal responsibility

Literal haunted house up in here.

Noah Jackson
Noah Jackson

Which begs the question as to why the fuck should the left waste resources on it?
Dotage is real. Do you want a pension and a nurse to wipe your arse or not?

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

lol

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

Yes, you might need to increase birth rates in your society. In a society where being gay is frowned upon people are more likely to have camouflage families complete with children.
Likewise homosexualy should be encouraged if overpopulation becomes a problem.

Otherwise there is no reason to concern ourselves with it unless some other factor such as those mentioned above arises.

Mason Sanchez
Mason Sanchez

Fun fact, in societies where homosexuality is frowned upon, transsexuality tends to become increasingly popular, and in fact sometimes becomes the norm. In some middle eastern countries, gays are forced to choose between execution or sex reassignment.
It's almost like transsexuals are just repressed gays tbh

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Alexander Johnson
Alexander Johnson

what resources you absolute retard.
not being a homophobe takes 0 resources.
it's not your shitty english, it's the fact that you're an unread retard.
nobody here gives a shit if homosexuality is genetic or not. Besides, genetics is just one thing that could cause biological homosexuality, not that it matters, just pointing out you're a retard.
gays spend most of their time towards advancing their careers and hedonism.
implying more and more straight people aren't doing this. Also, being gay in some societies basically force you into this. Straight couples eat up the capitalist "marraige and 2.5 kids" propaganda, while gay people are cast aside from the propaganda itself, many times legally. If gays could marry and adopt, more would, unfortunately. Honestly, I could go on, but you probably don't think (about this) too much and I don't want to do the hard work for you.
the majority of male homosexuals seem only interested in pursuing their desire for sodomy and not in reforming the socio-economic system.
replace sodomy with non-reproductive sex and you've described heterosexuals as well.
a "tankie"…. communism is not a machine to be managed. you misunderstand the communist movment and instead have replaced it with liberal poison, with ideology of "efficiency" and "optimization". choosing to believe in spooks or not based on some other liberal ideology is plain self-deception.
It's almost like transsexuals are just repressed gays tbh
terrible conclusion.

Wyatt Richardson
Wyatt Richardson

communism is a long way off, the socialist state is a machine to managed and optimized to defeat capitalist states with.

Hudson Myers
Hudson Myers

Transsexuals are repressed gays.
thefederalist.com/2018/09/06/transgender-new-anorexia/

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Cooper Lopez
Cooper Lopez

also you have accused me of idealism, when i have given the only valid leftist answer to the question.
The question, for refference, was;
Is Anti-Homosexuality ever compatible with Leftism
And i replied, in essence, that 'it depends on the material conditions'. There is no more left an answer than that. In truth its an absurd question because its asking something very broad. 'is it ever'. 'Ever' is quite a large set of potential circumstances.

By resisting this and trying to claim that somehow, the right to gayness, transcends time and space, this is the idealism.

If the question was 'what are the number of occasions anti-homosexuality is compatible with leftism' then you might have gotten 'not many'.
But the OP was phrased preloaded with idealism, and the material truth, which aught to be obvious, offends.

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

This is actually pathetic

Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

Isn't that significantly contradicted by the Modern United States and Europe?

Connor James
Connor James

Reactionary: homosexuality being biologically fixed means it can "fixed"
Revolutionary: homosexuality being biologically fixed means it can be caught as early as possible and the people can be assisted to become the traps they want to be

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Evan Jones
Evan Jones

It actually isn't.
Most transsexuals grow up in families that neither consider homosexuality to be an option for their kids or consider homosexuality to be normal.
Here's how transsexual development normally works in the USA and Europe;
kid likes stuff that girls like
kid steals sister's dresses and wears them
kid is found wearing a dress
parents are shocked, ask for parental guidance and support from peers and psychologists
<"sounds like your son might be trans"
parents agree to support their son by giving him HRT and testosterone blockers
son grows up thinking he's a girl, grows up and wonders about sex
asks for guidance from peers/psychologists
<gets SRS
at not point during this child's entire developmental stage is homosexuality even considered an option, not even by his parents
TL;DR transsexuals do not consider homosexuality to be an option worthy of consideration until they've chopped off the penis.

Michael Wood
Michael Wood

this.

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Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

depends on material conditions
Yes, but, in our current material conditions, being anti-homosexual is usually indicative of reactionary thought, and hence, incompatible with leftism. Although this doesn't mean that all leftists aren't homophobic, and the corollary, it implies that not all leftists are free of reactionary thought.
claiming the right to gayness, transcends time and space, is idealism
well, I'm not really into "rights" or anything, but I think homophobia being an oppressive ideology is not historically contingent. Homophobia expressed as violence, stigmatization by society, severe restrictions on freedom, etc. Specifically not mild shit, like assuming one is heterosexual. In that sense, no, homophobia was never compatible with leftism. Perhaps specifically, scientific, marxist, materialist, revolutionary leftism. I agree the question is loaded and OP is a retard. And I see your point that some leftists might have been homophobes in the past, I don't think it contradicts with what I'm trying to say.
that catboy tho (not the one with the blue dress)

Noah James
Noah James

In Russia and many other post-Soviet states, many people think it's possible to become gay through some sort of social contagion, especially during childhood and puberty. Thus we have all that scaremongering about "gay propaganda" and how gays would destroy society by turning children gay. This is a very stupid idea. If people's sexuality had formed only through exposure to "proper" sexual expressions, homosexuality wouldn't have existed in the first place, particularly in big, fanatically anti-gay societies. And since it does exist against all odds, assuming someone can turn gay by looking at gay people or through sexual contact (rape, etc) basically implies that homosexuality is inherently more attractive than heterosexuality, which is obvious bullshit indicating someone is deep in the closet. Alternatively, it implies that all people are bisexual, which is also extremely unlikely - if everyone could experience same-sex attraction, empathy would remove most (if not all) homophobia and we would have a completely different society and culture. Furthermore, there are hardwired biological interlocks preventing changing sexual orientation, for example straight men automatically feel disgusted seeing two men kissing, regardless of their altitude to gay people. There would likely be no such things if everyone were bisexual or could simply turn gay on the drop of a hat.

More inclined to think homosexuality or a notable tendency towards it is the result of in utero hormonal fuckery resulting from stress on the mother during pregnancy and/or some as-of-yet unknown quirk that tends to crop up in second, third, fourth etc. babies.

When my mum was pregnant, she and my dad were practically unemployed (post-Soviet economic collapse and all that). She was extremely worried all the time about how the hell she would feed me and buy all necessary things. I ended up being bi. No absent father, no sexual abuse, no gay relatives or close people, no looking at gay people kissing or whatever.

Gabriel Peterson
Gabriel Peterson

what about all the transwomen that like women
just accept that sexuality is very badly understood, and transexualism even worse. Mistakes like you mention are bound to happen, but that doesn't mean transexualism doesn't exist. In fact, it is more probable that there are features in sexuality, besides gender identity and sexual preference, that we haven't discovered. And, there's a whole bunch of shit we don't know about how sexuality, psychology, and capitalism mix, especially considering that capitalism almost implies mental instability and identity issues.
Plus, support networks for trans are absolute garbage. Closeted gays are a little better in the developed western world since it is more normalized and now it's okay to be gay and not be feminine or stereotypically gay. In the third world, if you don't fit the "gay identity", there is much more stigma by the gay group, so there is incentive to try to belong. Newly discovered trans, on the other hand, co-exist primarily online, in shitholes like reddit. Since being trans comes with a death threat from society, trans can't just "be themselves", they have few people to relate with, and have no choice but to belong to shitty subreddits and adopt some of their customs.
As to why trans exist in the first place, it might have something to do with capitalism. Not sure, it's not really important. Either way, the best solution right now is to normalize transness and abolish capitalism.

Thomas Johnson
Thomas Johnson

These shit threads belong in containment.

That said socialism of any sort has nothing to do with homosexuality or le gay lifestyle and I don't know why people on the left try to make an issue out of a big nothing. It's understandable why the right obsesses over identity politics and sexual politics, because they're stupid garbage people. But there's no "gay rights" to defend, there is no reason to uphold homosexuality as a valid lifestyle. It's just absolutely ridiculous to go on a crusade to stamp out homosexuality in the first place because of muh God or muh human nature. The gay thing is a giant nothing that just sucks up energy that could be put towards actually useful ends (then again, so are most of the sexual mores of the society we live in that straight people indulge in, like fetishism and prostitution). It's not the business of the state or the government to enter peoples' sex lives unless something truly foul is happening, but if humanity ever gets past its numerous stupidities they'd probably toss out most of the modern and historical thinking re: sexuality and we can all find infinitely better things to do with our lives.

Hunter Price
Hunter Price

literally who cares about gays?

Jack Sanders
Jack Sanders

Dishonest shitebag. What you actually want are methods of policing "homophobia" and punishing those you deem miscreants. Those DO cost resources. They also provide a prime entry point for radlib subversion of the organisation.

James Flores
James Flores

Most transsexuals grow up in families that neither consider homosexuality to be an option for their kids or consider homosexuality to be normal.
[citation needed]
I don't understand why anyone would conclude their child is homosexual if they like "girl stuff." That has nothing to do with sexuality.
if everyone could experience same-sex attraction, empathy would remove most (if not all) homophobia and we would have a completely different society and culture
Bullshit. If anything it would make people even more zealously opposed to homosexuality. Homophobia is a way to externalise insecurity around their sexuality.
I don't see why it would cost more resources than other anti-bullying campaigns.

Elijah Long
Elijah Long

any meaningful discussion, 35 replies in 24 hours
Can I be leftie and still hate the fags?, 300 replies in 24 hours
Never change Zig Forums.

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Charles Perez
Charles Perez

What do you expect from a bunch of utopian brainlets who only hold the pretense of reading Marx, or much of anything at all? /marx/ itself is better than Zig Forums or /leftpol/ by at least ten times.

Aiden Walker
Aiden Walker

catholics polyp get btfo as soon as claims need to be substanciated
every time
spot a polyp 101
you retards still believe that ? how gillible are you ?

Anthony Morris
Anthony Morris

Not an argument sweatheart.

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Noah Russell
Noah Russell

Probably this:
We reproduce here a letter that Harry Whyte (a British Communist Party member) wrote to Stalin in May 1934, in which Whyte posed the question: “can a homosexual be considered someone worthy of membership in the Communist Party?”.

At the time, Whyte (himself homosexual) was working in Moscow at the Moscow Daily News. When he heard about the new law, he wrote a letter to Stalin asking him how he could justify it. Whyte pointed out how the new law was cancelling all the progress that had been made on such matters since the October Revolution.

Found in the Soviet archives, on the first page of the letter is a note written by Stalin:

“Archive. An idiot and a degenerate. J. Stalin.”
marxist.com/letter-to-stalin-can-a-homosexual-be-in-the-communist-party.htm

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