Did the Tiananmen Square massacre happen?
liberationnews.org
Is this an accurate understanding of the events of thirty years ago today?
Tiananmen Square
James Adams
Austin Wood
The student leadership was CIA, they refused to work with the construction workers or the teachers, most of whom were genuine Maoists. Classic color revolution attempt.
Camden Allen
Why did US, a country which invested into China so much,and benefits from China so much more,attempted to stage a revoliution in Denis China?
Jacob Scott
Liberals deserves this anyway.
Noah Brooks
It was obviously and clearly utilized and aggravated by America.
Jaxson Lopez
post proofs of your retarded ☭TANKIE☭ garbage please
Julian Nguyen
They also wanted to do joint military exercises to spook the USSR and China refused. US isn't an ally of China.
Logan Myers
youtu.be
This is what Australians were told. Hawke was a "trade unionist" leader and Prime Minister that ushered in global Neoliberlism with Thatcher and Reagan This version of what happened is deeply ingrained in the Australian psyche.
Op I've read this article before. Is there anymore on the subject from this perspective?
Hudson Roberts
Well lets look at the patterns, there definitely is in western news the pattern of just making up false stories, for example just recently the Dprk was supposed to have executed a diplomatic aid, involved in the nuclear negotiations, that then re-appeared unharmed. In addition to this, there the pattern of signigifcant exaggerating stories that did happened. So in order to gain any information from this one would by default assume low objective truth-content.
As far as the ideological construct of these news are concerned, true is what produces consent for the ruling order. Granted the degree to which this is realised varies greatly. In the current degenerated liberal order, this has been reduced to a game of signalling allegiances. So in the liberal context you wouldn't be asking about what somebody thinks about a historic event but rather, how to rate China on a friend/foe scale.
Gavin Hill
Oliver Reed
Zhao Ziyang deserved worse
Levi Carter
Of course it happened, the Tiananmen Square protests were a product of Dengism, it's excess, and the massacre an attempt to reign it in.
Oliver Moore
cringe and CIApilled
Justin Perry
fuck deng and fuck revisionism
Eli Barnes
there was no massacre in the square
Justin Taylor
Jordan Bennett
moonofalabama.org
>The extraction missions, aided by MI6, the UK’s Secret Intelligence Service, and the CIA, according to many accounts, had scrambler devices, infrared signallers, night-vision goggles and weapons.
I do not believe thats true. I simply dont believe its possible. They could not get 800 out that quickly and operate with that level of sophistication. I think its more likely this is the CIA trying to tell people they somehow miraculously manage to not leave their people behind when they obviously do.
William Clark
This operation went on until the 1997 Hong Kong handover.
Adrian Baker
What if I told you that you can be against Dengism and still acknowledge that Tiananmen was inflated and a literal "massacre" probably didn't happen as admitted by CBS themselves?
Fuck this football team tier politics, seriously.
Nicholas Reed
so what began as genuine proletarian struggle against revisionism got co-opted into a pro-imperialist coup attempt?
Benjamin Bell
It didn't start as a "genuine proletarian" movement. It's correct that there were some Maoists amongst the original protesters (especially that "hang the corpses on a building" type of thing is the handwriting of MLM groups) but the majority were always left-liberals.
Same with Afghanistan, there were Maoist groups fighting on the side of the Mujahedin but they were a small fringe majority, the main bulk was formed by CIA-backed mercs.
James Nelson
A lot of the protest leaders thought Dengism didn't go far enough and it was supported by the liberal Zhao Ziyang. Deng is definitely preferable to that shit. Also, Cuba, DDR, DPRK, and others opposed the protests while defending the decisive action of the Chinese government.
Chase Johnson
It's the same with Ethiopia, where the "leftist opposition" against the Derg were Maoists and Hoxhaists who ended up serving imperialist interests and became liberals as soon as they achieved power.
Jeremiah Edwards
the in front of tanks guy actually isn't blocking tanks going to tinamen square, the tanks are leaving tinamen square and he's blocking them because of their departure
Jayden Turner
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The extraction missions, aided by MI6, the UK’s Secret Intelligence Service, and the CIA, according to many accounts, had scrambler devices, infrared signallers, night-vision goggles and weapons.
Sympathisers helped student leaders travel more than 2,000km from Beijing to the Hong Kong border by bus, boat, train, car, donkey cart and in storage tanks.
Many were sheltered for months before smugglers and “snakehead” human traffickers, many of them paid handsomely, took them to Hong Kong.
After nearly 10 months on the run, Chai Ling arrived in Hong Kong in a cargo box full of rotting fish, while the rescue of Wuer Kaixi failed twice before he escaped.
The average cost was HK$50,000-100,000 – double the usual price to smuggle people out of China because of the extra risk. For Wuer Kaixi it was about HK$600,000.
The money came from businesspeople, mob bosses, donations and foreign governments. The British colonial government helped with continued extractions of dissidents up until the handover in 1997, when Hong Kong returned to Chinese rule and all records of the operation were removed from the territory.
So yeah. Doesnt really sound like they were in need of "resucing" Just getting rewarded.
Bentley Reyes
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William Kelly
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Kevin Adams
gee i do not know. America has trade with most of the countries it invades or subverts, the whole point is so they get a good deal for them and a bad deal for the other.
Luis Walker
The so-called "massacre" was irrelevant. The first world internet is just swarming with anti-chinese propaganda right now, Christ.
Kevin Harris
The argument i'm seeing the most is that it the students were agitated by imperialist pigs, but nobody seems to give a single flying fuck that the chinese government went at students with literally tanks over this.
Evan Smith
Deng had PTSD from cultural revolution, wherin his son got btfo. Seriously, look it up. If I experienced the cultural revolution I wouldn't even think twice about stopping mass youth autism.
Josiah Wood
The only thing wrong with using tanks is that they are ill suited for riot suppression and very fuel inefficient. You don't need a 105mm gun to do the work of a 12.7mm HMG. A few infantry brigades would be enough. Actually sending in cavalry might even be better, horses and lances are pretty good at breaking up unarmed crowds of people.
Adam Lee
literally just conservatism with a coat of red paint
this kind of autism is why there may not be another revolution
Adam Green
Jesus Christ look at mr bloody sunday over here.
Benjamin Nelson
Untrained, undisciplined students will not stand against cavalry, they will disperse before bloodshed occurs.
Christopher Ortiz
Well they can't keep a lid on it forever, can they?
The new generation is already very Americanised and if they ramp up the bullshit they can reach full Hyperrea Immersion soon, but I guess we'll have to wait and see, but as long as the economy keeps growing fast enough things can stay as they are in the culture side of things, or even better regress a little.
I mean the memory of the Cultural Revolution is used to fish for disciplinary morality tales and protofascist propaganda, so let's just hope they'll discover social democracy before the Gobi swallows everything.