Social democracy has only ever worked when capitalist are forced to capitulate under threat of communist revolution. There's a reason why all those countries adjacent to the USSR had the strongest welfare states, because they were directly competing for the same labor force. That was unacceptable to capitalists though so they waged a half century of cold war. Jesus christ read a book.
Social Democrat here
Matthew Bailey
Brandon Young
No, but they were the most fierce in the struggle. Social democrats have always been half-assing the development of the working class movements.
And NATO was obviously a far more developed military machine, far more threatening than anything the USSR had short of nukes. And the Soviet Union preached peaceful co-existence, while NATO threatened invasion.
America clearly IS crippled. 13% of its population lives in poverty and there is political turmoil like they haven't seen since the 30s.
Nice backpeddling. You wont even admit that you're wrong?
And I used Sweden as an example. You dishonest cunt.
There are no emissions to compare with the link you provided. So why did you link something unrelated to the point you were making? You are, as I said in my very first post, not arguing in good faith, so I'm gonna fuck off now.
Jack Young
good post
Henry Wood
I never said this.
what about it?
How was the USSR going to save the planet? They weren't much better in terms of ecology.
So in otherwards you praise the good china is doing and ignore the bad
ok
Christian Gonzalez
Social democracy never lasts because the only capacity that you can secure power democratically is by concessions from the ruling class. Socdems exist in the same capacity that fascists do, tools by which the bourgeoisie will shape and control the will of the populous for as long as they are needed, then they shall be discarded without ceremony.
Wyatt Adams
Yet workers still live better in Social Democratic countries
Is this supposed to be a defense of the USSR? It just sounds less appealing and another shortcoming
Well no one is trying to say the US is a Social Democracy(as I stated above) however even they could handle the massive defense spending where the USSR could not.
waiting for an argument.
Ok and?
China has some of the worst emissions in the world
William Ortiz
ok but Marxists states and revolutions last on an even shorter timeline
Gavin Morris
They weren't much better in terms of ecology.
I'm not him, but just to let you know that we have such a thing called Ecosocialism. Which try to put together the marxist criticism of the capital and capitalism and a solution to our enviromental collapse. Ecosocialism manage to build a worker's state with a strong focus on ecology. My point is, yeah USSR wasn't a good example in terms of ecology but socialism can adapt itself.
Ethan Jenkins
"Ignore my trash, what is, is"
Retard op
Jackson Scott
Socialism will always be crushed upon inception as long as capitalism exists. It poses an existentialist threat to the capitalist class. This is why almost every country surrounding the USSR turned to social democracy.
This is entirely true, but socialism as a system in general (where workers own and control businesses democratically is ideal). The USSR was a good experiment and there's a lot to learn from it. It doesn't mean however we should just give up on socialism.
Just like capitalism, it has been experimented with and failed many times. If we gave up with capitalism in the past we would of had feudalism.